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  • Posted By: Hope 2008 @ 08/23/2008 12:46:09 PM

    Even though Joe Biden has been in the Senate for many years, he has continued to fight for the american people and not play the insider game. Biden has the experience and compassion to be an excellent VP. The type of change Obama will bring to the american people is an administration which cares more about the everyday citizens interests than special interests of the wealthy and connected...this is the change that Joe Biden will help Obama deliver to our country in November! Congratualtions Senator Biden!

    • Posted By: Jill from Florida @ 08/23/2008 1:16:51 PM

      I would say that Biden has the experience and compassion to be an excellent PRESIDENT. Just another Dukakis/Bentsen ticket, where the stronger candidate is in the 2nd spot.

    • Posted By: jjkk @ 08/23/2008 1:14:49 PM

      HOPE 2008:

      "NOT PLAY THE INSIDER GAME"

      How old are you? Biden's the 6th ranking US senator. You don't stay senator that long without knowing the game. Don't try to rebut truth. Stick to the usual platitude of CHANGE! NO OLD WASHINGTON! oops can't do that either.

  • Posted By: sixhandicap @ 08/23/2008 4:08:30 PM

    More like another anti-American socialist like the Obamanation. This is a perfect match.

  • Posted By: jfm1015 @ 08/23/2008 12:58:10 PM

    I do hope that McCain lowers corperate taxes, which are higher than anyother country in the world. As a small business owner and may I say, heavily taxed, I can say with certainty that the government is extremely less efficient at spending your money than we are. I say: Cut spending on pork, stop paying subsidies, cut foriegn aid, streamline the tax system. CUT SPENDING! OBAMA WILL NOT CUT SPENDING!! Check out his proposal on World Poverty Bill. S.2433 at the U.S. Congress web site. This will put the U.S. taxpayers on the hook for an increase in Foriegn Aid of about 60 Billion more dollars. Just an example of whats to come. For the nations sake,THINK ABOUT HOW YOU DEFINE CHANGE!

    • Posted By: arnev @ 08/23/2008 1:10:12 PM

      I'm a small business owner also, and I couldn't agree more with your comment. The only change we will have left, is the change in our pockets. We can't let this man win! It would be a disaster to say the least. Let's just cut spending.

      • Posted By: Totto @ 08/23/2008 1:56:00 PM

        Yeah, cut your Social Securtiy first, along with Medicare, Medicaid, National Guard, Army, Navy , Marines, roads, bridges (falling down), and eliminate the middle-class!

        • Posted By: avondale @ 08/23/2008 2:15:36 PM

          Gentleman. Standard tax rate for corporations in America is 35%. Mr McCain says it wants to lower it to 25%. Fact is something like 45% of corporations (America and Foreign Corporations operating in America) pay no tax (recent article on Reuters on this subject). The US Tax Codes is thicker than War and Peace. Loopholes help a lot of major Corporations pay far less than the 35% standard. I always love it while someone likes to bring out how not cutting these taxes will hurt small business owners. I'm in favor of treating those guys fairly, but how about we ask the big boys to pony up their fair share.

          • Posted By: ej617@comcast.net @ 08/23/2008 4:08:08 PM

            It's pretty bad when I pay more income tax that corporations. In my state they can and do pay as little as $10.00, when they stiff the local governments out of money collected from me specifically to pay local taxes and then fail to do so because they have "losses" in other countries. Corporations need to remember they can't sell us things at inflated prices when we don't have money to buy basics. The middle class made it possible for them to get rich.

  • Posted By: Sealteam0 @ 08/23/2008 2:16:32 PM

    I am a Viet Nam Vet. My sons are and have served in Afghanistan, Iraq and Korea. I am tired of people confusing patriotism for political blunders. The Bush/Cheney regime knew that Americans would do that. They were banking on it as the scammed this great nation out of billions of $$$ for contract on the blood of our brave fighting forces. WAKE UP! We need people at the helm who are not beholden to the money mills of lobby-laden Washington, DC. John McCain's war record is no more honorable or notable than the thousands of fighting men and women whose lives were lost and the countless others, mained and forgotten about by the McBush gang because of the lies concerning Iraq's intentions and capacity to threaten the United States.

    Does reality count for nothing in this country anymore?! Let's forget what we feel for a second and deal with what we know! We know that Iraq was a colossal LIE!!! Why are we allowing anyone to capitalize on our ever 4 thousand dead military personnel? Giuliani tried to get a free ride by exploiting our loved ones lost on 9/11. Many Americans called him on it. So why are we going to give McCain a pass and a free ride on the "War built on lies and deceit express"?

    No one person can change everything in a nation as diverse and complex as ours, but at least we are sincerely being offered a seat at the table. A table that regular Americans have been banned from for eight years. So John McCain and his so-called "straight talk express" can get on a train and rush himself straight out of my face. I have heard enough about who has inherited the "right" to be president because of some limited and convenient interpretation of patriotism. Let's, in this land of oppotunity, give Obama and opportunity to offer a more inclusive, open, globally savvy and peace leaning government. After 8 years, anybody trumpeting the Bush plan has got to be on some really bad drugs, Like Oxicoton [sic]. Are we going to let racial bias, party blinders and fear of change stop us from having any kind of a shift toward progress in this country?

    Forget about the John Wayne images that McCain rhetoric evoke. That was a time when we were told that Native Americans were blood thirsty savages, blacks were only good to shine our shoes and woman were only show pieces for a man's lust. Who's still there?

    • Posted By: marksgershenson @ 08/23/2008 4:06:05 PM

      Beautifully put, you could write an op-ed.

    • Posted By: RO in Reno @ 08/23/2008 2:32:52 PM

      Amen

    • Posted By: vansa @ 08/23/2008 2:30:27 PM

      I so agree with your words. .
      It could not have been put any better

  • Posted By: tttv @ 08/23/2008 2:27:51 PM

    Wrong choice. How can u have change with a lifer politician who is a BS er. I left the democratic party years ago when I realized they are extremely ANTI FATHER, pro woman anything. Any father or divorced father who votes for this ticket is the reason men can't get custody and are weekend ATM machines.

    • Posted By: marksgershenson @ 08/23/2008 4:03:56 PM

      Where is your proof that the dems are anti-father? And why shouldn't a woman have freedom of choice with her life? Sounds like you went through a bitter divorce, and trying to blame the feds or a state issue that handles divorce matters. Your making a federal case out of a state case.

    • Posted By: leepdx @ 08/23/2008 2:36:42 PM

      I am sorry to hear of your troubles but the welfare reform act that led to the outrageous child support award policies was a Republican bill. Although I am a Democrat I've lived with this same bad outcome. The whole system from top to bottom is anti-father it is not a party based issue. Good luck to you.

      • Posted By: ej617@comcast.net @ 08/23/2008 3:28:57 PM

        Women are hit by men who proport to "love" them and fathered their children every nine seconds in this country. Ten years or so the statistics were once every fifteen seconds. If this is "anti-father" I am not sure exactly how this works.

  • Posted By: avondale @ 08/23/2008 1:05:49 PM

    Quite frankly, from what I've read at this point I'm leaning towards Obama. But if it were available on the ballot I'd check "None of the above". To some extent both of these guys are trying to sell you "snake oil". Speculators control 81% of the oil contracts (recent article on Reuters and confirmed by the CFTC). Obama is less open to more drilling and favors new renewable energy sources (which would get us out of the clutches of the third world oil countries). McCain thinks we can drill our way to lower oil prices (a fantasy). Neither one of these offers relief any time soon. I'm disappointed with both on this subject. Why not take on changing the rules to get the speculators out of the market (sooner relief) and long term work on the alternatives.

    • Posted By: Jebber @ 08/23/2008 1:10:08 PM

      Once and for all, for those of you who are able to grasp the truth, we can reduce our dependence on foreign oil and bring down the price immediately if the industry is allowed to drill in areas that are now closed to exploration and production. I have 35 years of experience in oil and gas. The arguments to the contrary, including the popular: the price won't change for 5-7 years, and they aren't drilling on the 60 MM acres they now have, are just lies to justify a no drill policy supported by enviro extremeists and leftists.

      • Posted By: chrisphx66 @ 08/23/2008 1:16:14 PM

        so why aren't they drilling in the areas they already have leases? I've seen the maps, and the oil companies aren't using half of what they are leasing. This is nothing but an election-year ploy to play on the ignorance of the electorate. If they won't drill where they can, why would they drill where they can't?

        • Posted By: avondale @ 08/23/2008 1:24:11 PM

          chrisphx66 I'll go you one better. Why would the oil companies want to spend money to drill more oil to bring the price down? What;s their motivation? To make less money? With the record profits that Exxon made they spent about 1/4 of a billion on research and development. They spent something like 9 billion on buying back shares of their stock and huge bonuses for the executive management team.

          • Posted By: Jebber @ 08/23/2008 1:32:18 PM

            It's not an all or nothing equation. Price is driven by supply and demand, as well as other factors. We have oil but it is increasingly coming from hostile environments that are more expensive to drill, and from enemy nations who jack the prices up. Demand has risen faster than expected due to China and India growth. For chrisphx66: there are lands that are prospective and those which are not. The property available to drill has little or no oil and gas. The lands we wish to explore have lots.

            • Posted By: avondale @ 08/23/2008 1:44:44 PM

              Jebber, you sound a lot like the speculators who want you to believe all those things so long as you don't look too close at them. You are right, there are a lot of reasons for oil to be increasing in price. Just inflation alone says it should be going up in price, but 300%+ in a year??? Come on. LA county has more cars than all of China. Sure someday there will be a lot more cars in China. But that day hasn't happened yet. And it won't happen for decades. Check my story. Look into it.

              • Posted By: Jebber @ 08/23/2008 2:57:12 PM

                In addition to supply and demand, you have increased costs, rapid decline in existing reservoirs, geo-political pressures, market control by OPEC, and other factors (including speculation - although not nearly as important a factor as you think). The dramatic price increases you complain of are due to a combination of factors. Future increases will also occur when Russia continues to exert itself (with the third largest oil reserves in the world), as Chavez exploiits his petro-power, etc.

                • Posted By: ej617@comcast.net @ 08/23/2008 4:01:41 PM

                  Well, then there is the greed factor-- how many billions of dollars does it take for one to feel good about themselves? It appears the answer for Exxon-Moble and other companies is infinity. It seems there are lots of folks in the business world who are more concerned about "making money" without actually doing any work or producing anything. Sounds like the condition of our country in the early part of the last century. Thus the anti-trust laws from that time. I think they need to be revised.

      • Posted By: Totto @ 08/23/2008 1:43:31 PM

        "Once and for all", oil companies already have million so acres that are leased to them that they aren't drilling on, "use 'em or lose 'em. Why don't you check out the facts about increased drilling, like available equipment and personnel. And all oil will be sold on the world market and not benefit the US, only the companies profits.

      • Posted By: avondale @ 08/23/2008 1:19:04 PM

        It's not the foreign oil companies that are driving up the price. It;s the traders at our own Commodities markets that are driving up the price.

      • Posted By: avondale @ 08/23/2008 1:17:41 PM

        Jebber: How do you explain the price of oil when there physically isn't a shortage? One day last year MSN report that oil went up that day because of a fog and the tankers could not get to a Houston refinery. True story. What economic are at play that makes the price of the raw material go up in price because you can't process it? Show me one gas station on the planet that doesn't have plenty of gas to sell you. Where is the shortage of oil? Saudi offered to pump more and the China turned down buying more. American refiners said they'd take it if they could get a deep discount. So how does drilling for more oil fix this problem?

    • Posted By: jjkk @ 08/23/2008 1:09:47 PM

      Hello. There is a "None of the above" It's called write-in.

      • Posted By: avondale @ 08/23/2008 1:33:32 PM

        Thank you jjkk...unless something dramatically changes that's what you'll see on my ballot. Instead of settling for the lessor of two evils I'd like to see more people write in none of the above. Time for America to stop voting for candidates just because they are republican or democrat. Too much "baby kissing" still trying to be sold to us. How do we finally hold these guys accountable?

  • Posted By: dumpthedems @ 08/23/2008 2:40:55 PM

    newvoter101
    Don't let the left wing liberal kool-aid sucking preachers (just like obama) get to you. Anyone who disagrees with them has to be a racist or ignorant in their feeble holier than thou minds.
    Hang in there dude.

    • Posted By: marksgershenson @ 08/23/2008 3:58:03 PM

      As an FYI, there are people like myself who are Independents, and will call bigotry out when we see it regardless of they are to the right or left of the spectrum. Unfortunately, you are over generalizing about left wing blah blah blah sounds a little bit off base.

  • Posted By: C. MacLean @ 08/23/2008 3:25:07 PM

    The biggest rap againt Biden seems to be that he opens his mouth to change feet. Since this hasn't affected Bush the Younger's ability to go to Washington twice, I doubt it will matter much for Biden.

    Cheney and Bush the Elder have shown us that the VP position can indeed be very powerful when you have a weak president: Obama is far from weak. So if Biden offsets some of Obama's perceived weaknesses, that's fine. (It will be interesting to see who McCain can find to offset his).

    But with the US in Iraq and Afghanistan, the Russians in Georgia and the Chinese seemingly everywhere, the real question is who Obama (and McCain) will nominate for Secretary of State.

    The Sec. of State nominee and any Supreme Court Justice nominees are the real positions of power. we should be concerned about.

    If the MSM truly wants to help the American electorate make an informed choice, they should push both candidates to reveal their picks in these areas.

    • Posted By: techie22 @ 08/23/2008 3:47:06 PM

      Colin Powell would be good at state
      cause he would know who the back
      stabbers are and get rid of them.

      Just a thought....

  • Posted By: Rserp1 @ 08/23/2008 1:27:36 PM

    When is the United States going to get real canidates to run for Presidential office? What if you don't like either canidate? This has been the senario for the last 8 years.
    I had an 88 year old man tell me that McCain is awfull. To my surprise. I asked then you must be for Obama? "Hell no" he said.. "You must be insane to vote for Hussein" he said.
    Now dumbfounded I asked again what was the matter with McCain?
    He said McCain's father was an Admrial and a dumb Asssssss and so the apple didn't fall far from the tree.
    I argued that because you didn't like his father doesn't mean he would be bad.
    He just gave me a stare like I was the dumbest person on earth.
    So the question now is if not insane for Hussein and not McCain then who can lead this nation?
    Where are the good canidates? Where are the good Americans? Are there any left?
    Have we become a culture of bloated egos and rotten eggs?

    • Posted By: ej617@comcast.net @ 08/23/2008 3:43:14 PM

      When choosing a leader, it is best to choose someone who doesn't really want the job, but has the ability to do it. Rarely does it happen in human history. But there arestories and legences that tell us that perhaps this is the best thing to do. Perhaps we should have a "sword in the stone" that has the power to tell us who is the person with the least ego (neither presumptive candidate) and the greatest personal judgment.

  • Posted By: vansa @ 08/23/2008 1:14:14 PM

    Obama is the change America needs if they expect to be a leading nation in the world. I think its sad that 98% of Americans are still concern about teh colour of a man's skin and then say to themselves they are not racist. Bush was not suppose to be elected for a second term, yet he was and sent so many of our children to die in a useless war. Why was he not impeached?? Why would Americans want to vote in Mccain who is just another bush. If Americans vote in Mccain they may as well vote in bush for a3rd term. Why are so many people come home from a "good war" with some many mental issues and northing is being done about it. I challenge the media do some proper investigations into this

    • Posted By: jjkk @ 08/23/2008 1:18:09 PM

      VANSA:

      "98% of Americans are still concern about teh (sic) colour of a man's skin"

      Where in the heck are you getting your facts? If 98% thought that barry wouldn't have made it out of Iowa. And where do you live? Canada? UK?

      • Posted By: bimbam @ 08/23/2008 1:29:00 PM

        I feel sorry for Americans. I think a country that was given so much to empower people of all colour, creed, economic and social background continues to live in darkness. BARACK will be among all those who see Americans as people and that's how we are all to be. Bill made a good turn, Bush messed it up, now you have an opportunity in a MAN to improve America's image and responsibility to Humanity, not the colour of the skin, but a Man. Can you all reach that point?

        • Posted By: jjkk @ 08/23/2008 1:33:10 PM

          And what misogynistic country are you from, MAN? UK, Canada, Europe?

          • Posted By: intelligentvoter @ 08/23/2008 3:05:45 PM

            JJKK - you are nothing but a vile, nasty, bitter person. ALL of your posts are pure hatred covered in evil. Can't you say anything positive???? Oh but you're not a republican, right. You sure sound like Limbaugh and Hannity and the other republicons (yes cons as in con artists)

            • Posted By: katvan @ 08/23/2008 3:43:05 PM

              INTELLIGENTVOTER:

              "JJKK - you are nothing but a vile, nasty, bitter person. ALL of your posts are pure hatred covered in evil. Can't you say anything positive????"

              What in your words is positive?

    • Posted By: OcPete @ 08/23/2008 1:59:03 PM

      It's not a matter of the color of Obama's skin. I have much respect for many African American political figures and hold them in high esteem. Example: Former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff: Collin Powell, Political Activist: Alan Keyes, Former Representative: J.C. Watts, Former (Ohio) Secretary of State: Ken Blackwell, Federal Judge: Janice Rogers Brown, Secretary of State: Condoleezza Rice, etc.

      No, the problem I have with Barack Obama is his lack of experience, period! He has been a Senator for three years and has spent two of those concentrating on his Presidential campaign.

      Not a big fan of McCain, but since he's the candidate of the other major party, I have to admit, he's the better qualified candidate to 'not ruin' our great country.

  • Posted By: aformerGI @ 08/23/2008 2:20:12 PM

    Comment I'm a former us soldier who fought for your right to free speech and I
    am ashamed of the the way YOU are conducting your priviledge on this
    website and others I have seen. We are Americans first and owe respect to
    one anothers diverse opinions. Vote for whoever, but don't tell lies and misrepresent the facts. Don't smear candidates because of your prejudice
    this crap is heard around the world.Behave toward one another as proud
    Americans would respectfully.Then vote your choice you won't change anybodys mind.
    A former GI

    • Posted By: chrisphx66 @ 08/23/2008 3:34:20 PM

      Americans don't care about each other.

  • Posted By: I read eevrything @ 08/23/2008 3:34:14 PM

    Something new, something old, something white, something bold, Dear John McCain at least your beer will still be cold and you and your double talking lobbyist will have four years to clean out your mold, and then try again to get into the whitehouse fold. Too bad you're already way to old and all your values have since been sold.

  • Posted By: labman57 @ 08/23/2008 2:37:58 PM

    Obama could have chosen Jesus as his running mate and McCain and his RNC clowns would still spin it as Obama's doom. Kinda hard to take anything they say seriously when they get their inspiration from that bombastic, bellicose blowhard Rush Limbaugh.

    • Posted By: chrisphx66 @ 08/23/2008 3:31:03 PM

      Don't forget their slut-poster girl Ann Coulter!

  • Posted By: Bingobangobongo @ 08/23/2008 2:24:09 PM

    Nice unbiased reporting. I want ot vote for a President that knows the ropes himslef. Nothing takes the palce of personal experience. Thank you, no...on Barry.

    • Posted By: ej617@comcast.net @ 08/23/2008 3:30:20 PM

      My vote is a moral choice. I too want experience. I am voting for Hillary in the fall. It's pretty easy to write in her name on the ballot.

  • Posted By: crazydems @ 08/23/2008 3:14:39 PM

    Newsweek says Biden's the anti-Cheney? Well, for sure I won't vote for the goon.

    • Posted By: chrisphx66 @ 08/23/2008 3:29:07 PM

      Judging by your screen name, you never had any intention of voting democratic, anyway. You made no point - but then, your type never does.

  • Posted By: dumpthedems @ 08/23/2008 1:25:35 PM

    vansa
    The 98% of Americans that are concerned about skin color .... you are talking about the 98% of black folks voting for obama, aren't you ?????????

    • Posted By: 4gates23 @ 08/23/2008 2:13:54 PM

      Black people are not voting for Obama because he is black IDIOT! i am tired of hearing people make that statement, it is incorrect. Barack could be purple, green or orange an he would still get majority of the black vote because he is a Democrat. Black people are one of the most loyal constituencies of the Democratic Party. It has been that way for over the last fifty years or so. That is why black people are voting for Barack. Please get your facts straight before you make false statements. How about that!

      • Posted By: independent thinker78 @ 08/23/2008 3:00:44 PM

        So I guess when he was getting 90% of the black vote during the primaries against Hillary, that too was just because he was a Democrat?

        • Posted By: Maco @ 08/23/2008 3:27:43 PM

          Wait, wait. I thought the prerequisite for becoming president was where you were born, not who you were born to. He's a Hawaiian running for president. Isn't that where we should be in this conversation?

      • Posted By: dumpthedems @ 08/23/2008 3:01:50 PM

        How about you stick it in your a$$. The comment I was talking about was the comment made that 98% of white voters won't vote for obama because of the color of his skin. Obama didn't get where he's at on the black vote alone. So stick it where the sun don't shine jacka$$, and get your facts straight before opening your pie hole or kool-aid hole.

  • Posted By: George from Westerville @ 08/23/2008 3:24:53 PM

    Good choice, a bit of a loose cannon, but a decent guy I think. With Obama's good judgement and ability to inspire, and Biden's experience, a pretty synergistic combo I think. Will be interesting to see who McCain taps as his running mate. I'm planning to vote for Obama, doubt that anything I say will change anyone's mind who supports McCain, nor will anything McCain supporters say change my mind. Not sure how many undecided voters there really are out there, hopefully folks will make their decision on the issues and what team they think will best turn things around for this country as oppossed to nonsense such as what someone's minister said, or cheating on your wife 30 years ago.

  • Posted By: kathylibbey @ 08/23/2008 3:23:10 PM

    Senator Biden is one of the few politicians who actually says what he thinks, instead of what he thinks people want to hear. In the Democratic debates, the other nominees put each other down on many occasions, but when referencing Biden, almost all of them at one time or another made the statement, ???I agree with Senator Biden?????? Did anyone else get that? Also, the man has something that is lacking greatly today, COMMON SENSE.

    When the press reports that Biden talks to much, it is like saying he doesn???t know when to keep his mouth shut. Well I want to know what the people in charge of my government are thinking. I would much rather have someone who speaks their mind then someone who only says what they think I want to hear.

    People who don???t like Biden are those who are so use to being fed a line of bull that they can???t take hearing the truth. Biden may not be perfect, but hey I am not going to through the first stone??? are you? It is time the American People ???Got Real???. Biden is a great choice for Vice President.

  • Posted By: Spacer @ 08/23/2008 12:09:12 PM

    I don't buy the media's spin that Obama lacks knowledge of foreign policy. I'm sure that Biden has more knowledge than Obama, but Obama has shown he's got more foreign policy expertise than McCain.

    Iraq was not only a foreign policy matter, but McCain's obsession. Yet he persisted in the preposterous claim that Shia Iran was training their blood enemies, the Sunni Al Qaeda. And this was no mere "misspeaking" as the media tried to spin in, like not being able to say what the capitol of Norway is. Failure to know and understand your enemies is a prescription for military and foreign policy disasters (like Iraq).

    And while McCain has been blundering his way through the campaign, Obama has been proven right by events in the Middle East. The Bush administration made a strike on a terrorist leader inside Pakistan without notifying the Pakistani government, exactly as Obama said he would do under similar circumstances, a position that McCain ridiculed. And of course, now we have a TIME TABLE for withdrawal from Iraq, similar to what Obama has called for and which McCain says is "surrender." The fact that a supposedly sovereign government has requested the US to leave their country is irrelevant to foreign policy "expert" McCain. If he wants to troops to stay in Iraq indefinitely, to hell with what the people and government want. Some expert.

    • Posted By: jjkk @ 08/23/2008 1:52:02 PM

      SPACER: "obama has shown he's got more foreign policy experience"?

      Where and when? His speech on Iraq in 2002? Or the fairy tale barrybots continue to believe? How did Biden vote on Iraq? And why didn't biden ever endorse barry? Even Sen Clinton did that.

      • Posted By: katvan @ 08/23/2008 3:22:47 PM

        barry doesn't have experience or expertise in anything but chicago politics.

    • Posted By: Jill from Florida @ 08/23/2008 12:13:52 PM

      Why else does he have over 300 advisers just for foreign relations - with Brzezinski leading the team?

  • Posted By: BunnyBread @ 08/23/2008 10:15:53 AM

    Reading the comments, I'm sure that many of them are from Republicans. Biden must be an even better pick than I thought if he has y'all running so scared. Go get 'em, Joe and O...More power to you, and Via Con Dios!

    • Posted By: JuanDelPueblo @ 08/23/2008 10:55:03 AM

      That's "Vaya Con Dios"
      And I don't think either one of these guys,knows who Dios is !!!!

      • Posted By: chrisphx66 @ 08/23/2008 3:21:39 PM

        And you do, amigo? Oh, I forgot - only Republikanischers have the monopoly on faith.

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