So What If He Were Muslim?

We haven't fully accepted the notion that all religions should have equal access to the Oval Office.

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  • Posted By: F7711 @ 10/20/2008 1:49:40 AM

    As I read the comments here I have realized that I've stumbled into the TWILIGHT ZONE. What a bunch of KOOKs post here. This is the biggest collection of Tin Foil Hat wearing freaks ever assembled in one forum. What planet do you retards come from ? Please go back there soon. None of you should be allowed to vote. Your family trees go straight up and down,I'm shocked to think that some of you are adults,what a collection of losers and dummies.

  • Posted By: F7711 @ 10/20/2008 1:37:45 AM

    Jim Johnson,

    You are a perfect example of taking bits of paragraphs out of context and using them in a dishonest way to smear an honorable man. you should be ashamed of yourself,what a slime-ball. Are you so ignorant as to

    belieive that a man running for President would write that stuff you posted ? Really ? are you that stupid ? Try FactCheck.org or any reputable source before you spout your hateful stupidity.

  • Posted By: F7711 @ 10/20/2008 1:32:34 AM

    I guess that spreading the wealth is ok as long as we give the taxpayers money to big corporations and Republican cronies,right ? Socialism is great as long as it's to make the rich richer. Heaven forbid that our taxes actually get used to help out another American. You people should be ashamed. What ignorance you spout. You have no idea what Obama actually says about anything, you just take things taking out of context is becoming a country of uneducated,simple people.and repeat them like parrots. America

  • Posted By: Jim Johnson @ 10/18/2008 2:40:21 PM

    Obama's view of the future of America - Socialism which is the next step to Communism!! He admitted to Joe the Plumber than he wanted to spread the wealth! He said that he wanted to make everyone equal! Is America ready for Socialism? The Iranian president, Ahmadinejad, said today that he is glad to see the end to capitalism in America!! Are you glad?????
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    Under socialism a ruling class of intellectuals, bureaucrats and social planners decide what people want or what is good for society and then use the coercive power of the State to regulate, tax, and redistribute the wealth of those who work for a living. In other words, socialism is a form of legalized theft.

    The morality of socialism can be summed-up in two words: envy and self-sacrifice. Envy is the desire to not only possess another's wealth but also the desire to see another's wealth lowered to the level of one's own. Socialism's teaching on self-sacrifice was nicely summarized by two of its greatest defenders, Hermann Goering and Bennito Mussolini. The highest principle of Nazism (National Socialism), said Goering, is: "Common good comes before private good." Fascism, said
    Mussolini, is "a life in which the individual, through the sacrifice of his own private interests??realizes that completely spiritual existence in which his value as a man lies."

    Socialism is the social system which institutionalizes envy and self-sacrifice: It is the social system which uses compulsion and the organized violence of the State to expropriate wealth from the producer class for its redistribution to the parasitical class.

    Despite the intellectuals' psychotic hatred of capitalism, it is the only moral and just social system.

    Capitalism is the only moral system because it requires human beings to deal with one another as traders--that is, as free moral agents trading and selling goods and services on the basis of mutual consent.

    Capitalism is the only just system because the sole criterion that determines the value of thing exchanged is the free, voluntary, universal judgement of the consumer. Coercion and fraud are anathema to the free-market system.

    It is both moral and just because the degree to which man rises or falls in society is determined by the degree to which he uses his mind. Capitalism is the only social system that rewards merit, ability and achievement, regardless of one's birth or station in life.

    Yes, there are winners and losers in capitalism. The winners are those who are honest, industrious, thoughtful, prudent, frugal, responsible, disciplined, and efficient. The losers are those who are shiftless, lazy, imprudent, extravagant, negligent, impractical, and inefficient. [What about the role of luck­ being in the right place at the right time or the wrong place at the wrong time? R. R. Pope}

  • Posted By: Jim Johnson @ 10/18/2008 2:39:56 PM

    Everyone of voting age should read these two books written by Obama, 'Dreams of My Father' and 'Audacity of Hope'. Don't buy them, get them from the library before they are removed from the shelves.

    From 'Dreams of My Father', "I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites."

    From 'Dreams of My Father', "'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race."

    From 'Dreams of My Father', "There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white."

    From 'Dreams of My Father', "It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names."

    From 'Dreams of My Father', "I never emulate WHITE men and BROWN men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa , that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela."

    And FINALLY the Most Damning one of ALL of them!!!

    From 'Audacity of Hope', "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

  • Posted By: Steve Galehouse @ 08/26/2008 10:38:30 PM

    The headline of the article is simply not good English--if using "were" instead of "was" or "is" is for some sort of emphasis, it is lost because of the poor structure.

    • Posted By: Melatinini @ 10/17/2008 2:19:40 AM

      "Were" is actually the correct word in this context; in fact, it is always correct when using the subjunctive mood ("if...." or "I wish..." for example.)

  • Posted By: billtill @ 10/14/2008 10:28:58 AM

    About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh , had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:

    'A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government.'
    'A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.'
    'From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.'

    'The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years'

    'During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:

    1. from bondage to spiritual faith;
    2. from spiritual faith to great courage;
    3. from courage to liberty;
    4. from liberty to abundance;
    5. from abundance to complacency;
    6. from complacency to apathy;
    7. from apathy to dependence;
    8. from dependence back into bondage'

    Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul , Minnesota , points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000 Presidential election:

    Number of States won by: Democrats: 19 Republicans: 29
    Square miles of land won by: Democrats: 580,000 Republicans: 2,427,000
    Population of counties won by: Democrats: 127 million Republicans: 143 million
    Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Democrats: 13.2 Republicans: 2.1

    Professor Olson adds: 'In aggregate, the map of the territory Republican won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country. Democrat territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare...' Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the 'complacency and apathy' phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the 'governmental dependency' phase.

    If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegal's and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.

    If you are in favor of this, then by all means, delete this message. If you are not, then pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at stake, knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom.

    WE LIVE IN THE LAND OF THE FREE,
    ONLY BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE

  • Posted By: set2free @ 10/04/2008 1:37:03 PM

    Now that you have state that all religions are equal the question arises equal to what and where is your standard that you stand under. Lets take a look at history and see if we can find some parreles to todays world of Islam. Was it not Jefferson who pushe out Islam of North Africa when we had pirates on the high seas stealing ships and sailors. If Sheria law is a great as Islam states where do we find a peaceful country with clean streets and it people free to make their own choice rather than be led by abunch of old men in robes citing round deciding everything from music to personal freedom. The question is who appointed them to heir position to rule over free men and women every where with any type of deception necessary to stay in power. Islam never talks of love of ones enemies just behead them, if you have to lie that is permit then kill your enemy. Deception is their code of conduct never come out in the open and show your face for we will no who you are. If the standard of deception is the status quo them kill Obama fits the bill hid behind a wall of silence and lies about his background and his of association and promise nothing but change for changes sake.

  • Posted By: kerk @ 09/27/2008 8:47:23 PM

    so what if obama is/was muslim? duh . IT IS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST TO HAVE A MUSLIM OR POST MUSLIM PRESIDENT WHILE OUR COUNTRY IS FIGHTING MUSLIM TERRORISTS!!!
    Obama was raised mulim in indonesia until the age of 10. Obama then, hung out with a insane crazed black theologist, Pator Wright for 20 years!
    What does this tell you about Obama? I find him to be immoral because he lies continuously while pointing his finger at everyone else but himself.

  • Posted By: deltadog @ 08/28/2008 1:32:30 AM

    Just in case you haven't noticed yet, bloke: Islam is a political movement achieving its goal of world dominance by pretending to be a religion.
    And achieving its goal of world dominance by outbreeding.
    Now you know it.
    But you knew that anyway already; just did not want to talk about it because you are a Muslim.

    • Posted By: catspaw @ 08/28/2008 10:48:44 AM

      So is Christianity!!!
      If you practice your religion as such it will be what ever your want. I you practice your religion as instructed by the holy writings of the religion, it will allow you to share the world with all.

      • Posted By: star3 @ 08/28/2008 5:01:19 PM

        I sometime wonder if religion might be a pawn of the devil to get us to fight with each other, and to war with each other. Jesus never actually spoke much about religion, but did talk about establishing his church, which Peter was the first head of. A "church" might mean a way of life, a belief system, not neccessarily a structure, which is only a convient place to woeship, and, as such, should be respected. The Bible gives us an example of one occassion where Jesus lost his holy temper at the temple, when the money changers were using the temple in an in-appropriate way; Jesus overturned the tables and told them that this was a building intended as a place of worship of God, and they were disgracing it. I know that is not the exact quote, but it is, basically, what he told them. We are not suppose to hate or persicute someone of a different faith, we are suppose to respect their right to worship as they choose, but when one attempts to use force to convert us to their ways, we have the right, the obligation to defend ourselves, to protect our values and life style in order that it will still be in place to pass on to our children and their children. Christianity does not use force in an attempt to control anyone's way of beliving, they offer, those who are interested, the teachings of Christ, but it is then up to the person to accept or reject, without any reprecussions from the religion. I, personally, am a convert to the Catholic religion, and before that, I educated myself in many belief systems, including Mormon, and many protestent religions. One can not just decide to join the Catholic Church, they, first, have to attend a series of meetings to learn about the beliefs and practices, and are shown a chart of the many protestent religions and how and when each one were, at one time, a part of the Catholics, but broke off to form their own churches, when they did not choose to accept some part of the teachings; and that was within their right to do so, no one tried to prevent their free choices. Many people want to believe only those parts of the Bible that appeals to them, and toss the rest out. Catholics have been accused of worshiping Mary, which is not true, we honor her as the mother of Jesus, but we do not worship her. We have, also, been accused of worshiping statues just because we have a few, that is, almost laughable, if it were not so pathetic that someone would, actually be so naieve as to believe that; we no more worship statues than you worship a picture hanging on your wall. They are strickly an art form to enhance a building or where ever they are placed, just as your paintings are. God did not forbid the making of a statue, what he forbid was the worship of anything besides him (Thou shall have no other Gods before me). Do YOU worship your paintings or other decorations? Neither do Catholics.

        • Posted By: catspaw @ 08/29/2008 11:12:03 AM

          star3, thank you. I believe the Great Spirit has given us many religions or faiths, as a way to teachs us Talorence, Understanding and Acceptance of one another as individuals.

          FloraD. The founder of the Morman church was from Eur. He came to this country so he and his followers could practice his faith as they see fit. In some whys it is a mixture of Christian and Islam. Women where not allowed to travel w/o husbands, so for the women who had been widowed and need to travel from the East coast to Utah, they allowed the men to take multiple wives.

          • Posted By: star3 @ 08/29/2008 4:03:23 PM

            Another thing I never understood about having multiple wives, is if a woman was widowed, then why didn't another family just take her and her family into their home to live and help with chores until she found another husband--a man who did not already have a wife, or just live within the family, why did he have to marry her? Isn't that what Christians do--help one another? Why didn't the group get together to build a home for her and her children, then watch over them, and the women could help with whatever was needed. I do not understand why they felt they had to bring them into the family as another wife; it seems that would just create more problems than anything else, especially with the first wife. But, guess I just don't understand how things were back then, but I still think there could have been an alternative, but they, apparently didn't choose one.

          • Posted By: star3 @ 08/29/2008 3:27:39 PM

            Cat, while I did familarize myself with the Mormon religion, I admit that the only thing I was taught concerning where and how they originated, was that a young man named Joseph Smith founded the religion when he discovered some books located in an area where an angel told him to look,so I do not know anything about their European roots.

  • Posted By: lionssmile @ 08/25/2008 4:02:02 PM

    careerdaytrader you are an imbecile. There are people in this country that work a lot harder than you do that make less in a year then what you paid out in taxes. Boo hoo for you. You want others to pay what you call fair share of taxes? Then why don't we pay the same amount to every person for their labor? When that happens then we all can pay the same amount of taxes and you'll finely be happy but still an imbecile.

    • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 08/25/2008 7:19:52 PM

      LOL I think my 172 IQ makes me FAR away from being an inbecile. Also being in the high tech software world precludes imbecility as well.

      My point which YOU don't get is that all the people on here who FEEL they are paying their fair share of taxes are NOT. Unless YOU pay 8 to 20 TIMES more than the TRUE FAIR share you couldn't even GRASP the outrage that I and other smart business owners feel at Obama and his scum bag thieving followers!

      I'm in my mid 30s and Obama wants to raise the payroll tax. I know damn well I'm not going to get any of this back, its supposed to be for my retirement! So now I pay both the employer and employee side up to $102,000, it amounts to $12,000 a year that goes to take care of older people who are retired and didn't save and most were IRRESPONSIBLE with saving for retirement and thus this is all they have.

      Now Obama wants to raise the max cap to $250k which means instead of pissing away $12k a year I'll be paying about $30k a year. That's $18k extra per year and $72K more during Obama's first 4 years.

      That doesn't even include the increased income taxes, capital gains taxes, taxes, taxes, taxes. Will society improve at all during this time, will I get my moneys worth? NO! He is against choice for schools so we will continue to graduate total dummies like you and keep people DUMB and poor so they vote Democrat.

      Who wants to bet the average IQ and average schooling for Republicans is so much more impressive. The only Democrats I know are total idiots, drive 5 to 8 year old cars, uneducated, crappy jobs but they all believe Obama will change their lives. Total morons as are those on here planning on voting for that idiot!

      • Posted By: max in fl @ 08/28/2008 5:23:44 PM

        If McCain calls Obama elistist, what would he call you?

        Unless of course you weren't always like this. This is just your way of making up for the wealthy kids that looked down at you in college...

  • Posted By: bojack27 @ 08/25/2008 4:22:11 PM

    America needs to wake up..... some say it doesn't matter what he believes.... this is true except when it come to politics..... religious beliefs do frame the character of the individual.... Obama is definately NOT a Christian... anyone who denies the basic fundamentals of Chrisitan doctrine is NOT a Christian.... the problem is not his religion but Obama lying to the American people about it.... He may not embrace all the fundamental principles of Islam but equates them to the same level of his so called Christian faith... and that in turn is calling Jesus a liar in reference to (John 14:6) in which Obama doesn't believe Jesus in this saying....

    Most people are ignorant when it comes to what the muslim world is doing and saying about Christians.... Even British government representatives are considering implementing Sharia Law into it constitution laws.... and they lack of knowledge of these laws will be the undoing of the free world.... and those who have bleeding hearts (liberals) will try to adapt the same stance as Britian..... this is what some liberal Supreme Court Judges are doing when they make decisions.....

    I say learn more about the politics of Islam and about what the Organisation of the Islamic Conference (OIC) is all about and their movement on the human rights agenda....

    The Organization of the Islamic Conference rejected [4] the Universal Declaration of Humans Rights [5] as not being consistent with Sharia Law. In its place, they supported the Cairo Declaration of Human Rights in Islam [6]. While many claim it is not an alternative to the UDHR, but rather complementary, Article 24 states "All the rights and freedoms stipulated in this Declaration are subject to the Islamic Shari'ah." and Article 25 follows that with "The Islamic Shari'ah is the only source of reference for the explanation or clarification of any of the articles of this Declaration." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_of_the_Islamic_Conference

    It is funny that Obama mentions he wanted to campaing in "57 STATES" .... of course everyone knows that we have 50 states .... but the OIC has 57 nations as members....then he goes on the receive illegal campaing donations from Palestine ... check out the link.... or google it .... http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/palestinian-brothers-gaza-illegally-donate/story.aspx?guid=%7B93BFA031-8B91-4743-88CC-A11A1A1DC4A0%7D&dist=hppr

    Here is another site .... http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=32597.... asking both candidates to speak out on religious freedom....


    • Posted By: raddave @ 08/25/2008 4:54:46 PM

      This is what Obama said about "57 states." ???It is wonderful to be back in Oregon and over the last 15 months we???ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I???ve now been in fifty???seven states? I think one left to go. Alaska and Hawaii, I was not allowed to go to even though I really wanted to visit, but my staff would not justify it.??? Now, correct me if I am wrong, but Alaska and Hawaii are not part of the Organization for the Islamic Conference. Also I do not believe any of the OIC states are in any corner of the U.S.

      • Posted By: max in fl @ 08/28/2008 5:13:54 PM

        Remember, McCain knows geography.

    • Posted By: max in fl @ 08/25/2008 6:58:58 PM

      You think Obama spent 20 years in a Christain Church just to fool the world ? Who needs to wake up. The only thing that makes sense is that Obama has to be Muslim because if he's Christian, then you've wasted your time.

    • Posted By: hsineexas @ 08/25/2008 5:05:50 PM

      You are just another mis-educated bigot, and I feel sorry for you. Every time I read one of these out of control rants I am left speechless. The hate you harbor is the poison that is tearing this country apart. I fear much more for what people like you could do to our country than I ever would from a politician, no matter who it is. I would be more ashamed to have an embarrassment like you run this country than a person of partial muslim ancestry. Whoever you are, please do us a favor and stay in your dried-up, plagued, pathetic little world and spare us from the filthy spewings that fall out of your mouth.

  • Posted By: minnie08 @ 08/25/2008 7:59:12 PM

    Obama said he would raise taxes by 5% only for those making over $250,000 per year. A 5% increase on $12,000 is Not $18,000. Mc CareerDayTrader!! Obama said he would only increase individual income tax for those making over $250,000 per year at a very small increase of 5%.. Secondly, for someone who claims to have a above average IQ, how is it you don't have the facts straight?!! Many people work hard all their lives, have college degrees, raise a family, have struggled through hard economic times including job loss, and have had to use what ever saviings/401K to survive. So, you Think you know everything and assume that the middle calss who is disappearing and the poor are getting poorer, are not irresponsible. They are people you are dying under a Republican administration. . And by the way, did you pay for your own college, or did mommy and daddy pay it for you?? Many such as myself owe thousands in college loans, own my own home, raised my son, & will be lucky to make $70, 000 or $80,000 per year so I can pay of school loans and save for retirement. You were too young to live through the last 2 recessiosns to of had affected you, and therefore, you DON"T know. And lastly, maybe you prefer the Republicans who have time and time again have voted to pay with your tax dollars and mine, the billions of dollars in subsidies to Oil companies, and have voted against implementing a wind fall tax on

    • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 08/25/2008 8:57:00 PM

      Firstly you are a PERFECT example of the MORONS who support Obama. You can't grasp the complex tax code or how it IMPACTS those of us who are smart and hard working.

      First Social security taxes, the self employed now pay 12% taxes up to 102k. Obama wants to raise the max level to $250k. So 12% of $102k is about $12k and 12% of 250k is $30k. That's 18,000 MORE per year and this is JUST for social security taxes which in my mid 30s I'll NEVER get back. Total BS.

      Now the max tax rate is going up a lot as well back to 39%. THis will cost me another $24,000 to $50,000 per year.

      Now lets get to capital gains taxes. Having money and investing it right now its 15% he hasn't clarified his position but this may go up to 28% EVEN THOUGH historically raising this tax brings in LESS money, thus why I think he's such a MORON and those who support him are so damn dumb. This will cost me an extra $10k to $20k a year.

      All together Obama will mean I pay at least $50k more per year in taxes and I already pay $107,000. My income has gone up but not as much as Obama's taxes are going to rape me.

      So thats why I hate you sons of ***, you don't even pay YOUR fair share of taxes, its people like me and the super rich who cover your share and keep this country rolling and you greedy non sacrificing jerks want us to pay more to give you FREE Health care.

      I have news for you Obama's presidency will BLOW UP IN YOUR FACE as those of us shift our jobs and money offshore! It's so easy to setup bearer share corporations in Panama, Belize and many other countries. You can vote who you want but Obama will be the biggest failure of last 50 to 80 years and millions of you idiots WILL lose your jobs.

      • Posted By: Ezana @ 08/25/2008 9:33:49 PM

        The day I make over 200k i'll vote republican too, but I don't so I won't. But I do work VERY hard and i'm good at my job (teacher). There is no way you'll convince to vote against my interests. But, I'm sure those taxes will have you struggling to buy your balogna.

        • Posted By: Ezana @ 08/25/2008 9:37:37 PM

          incidentally the only people who still believe in trickle down economics are deluded (think that poverty isn't the huge issue that is), or idiots. The last 8 years are evidence enough that profits at the top don't trickle down.

          • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 08/25/2008 10:11:35 PM

            Total BS. Like it or not the economy is always trickle down. People spend money and that goes to businesses and people who own them and their employees. Those people spend money which support other businesses and its employees.

            The rich contribute to 40% of the nations consumer spending. All sorts of jobs will be hurt under Obama. Waiters/ waitresses, teachers, mechanics, retail, etc, etc.

            Also money that goes LOCAL is forced to go national. I much prefer giving my hard earned money to my own community rather than to people in mismanaged cities like Detroit, New Orleans, etc.

            • Posted By: Twhit1007 @ 08/25/2008 10:52:17 PM

              And if you give more mpney to the poor and middle class consumers they will spend it giving businesses and their employees money. So why not give more money to those that will spend it instead of those who have the choice of doing what they want with it and if we are LUCKY will raise our wages and hire more workers? I say trickle up economics is preferable. Everyone wins.

              • Posted By: Ezana @ 08/25/2008 11:00:29 PM

                That's why everyone is inbarely managable debt and being forclosed on...yeah that's working.

                • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 08/26/2008 8:18:45 AM

                  Bush and even the Democrat controlled Congress are not to blame for that! Why did houses go up so much? Because the economy of the US was BOOMING, the stock market was BOOMING and people who could NOT afford these expensive houses used no documentation loans to get financing. They did ARM or interest only loans that in year(s) increased the rate. People thought they'd just refinance but as home values slipped and mortgage backed securities had massive losses it all came crashing down.

                  I do NOT support the GREED that the Average American had during the last few years. People were taking home equity homes to go on vacations, buy new cars/ SUVs, etc, etc. It was a ponzi scheme carried on by EVERYBODY! People, banks, lenders, capital markets, etc. Prices go so high and rediculous that nobody was willing to pay those high prices and then it all came FALLING DOWN.

                  If you blame BUSH for this you are an idiot. It's you, your neighbor, the bank across the street, etc!

                  • Posted By: max in fl @ 08/28/2008 5:07:03 PM

                    Your timeline is way off the economy was booming in the beginning of the Bush administration because Bill left it in the black (democrat) It took Bush 8 years to wreck it.

                    That's right the democrats twisted Bush's arm until we went to war. That's for reminding me.

        • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 08/25/2008 10:04:14 PM

          No I'll just be the FIRST of successful intelligent people to shift my business offshore. Panama bearer share corporation. You then use the debit visa card to buy what you want in the US. Of course I'll have to report $150k in income hear so I can lease cars, etc. You and your other supporters will reduce taxes COLLECTED. Obama will cost 3 to 5 million jobs, I just hope yours is one of them!

          No wonder you don't want Mc Cain, he is for school choice which would allow good schools to thrive and the bad teachers like you to lose your jobs. If you are voting for Obama it surely means you have no clue on how economics work so I'd hate for my kids to have a teacher like you. But I'm sure you'll graduate a lot of idiots who will support your party in the future, something liberal Democrats COUNT on!

          • Posted By: max in fl @ 08/28/2008 4:59:46 PM

            He's for war just like Bush.

        • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/25/2008 11:19:43 PM

          So since you make less than 200K, you feel it is fine to steal the assets of those who do???

          NOBAMA!!!

      • Posted By: jackson25 @ 08/26/2008 1:08:31 AM

        Day trader? Bud, you add nothing of value to the economy. And you've got to be a dope if you think you can defraud the IRS with an overseas scam and keep your butt free to continue draining off the financial gains that labor and capital produce with no contribution from you.

        You ought to be ashamed to make a living like that while whining about being taxed by the society that gives you the opportunity to steal from it.

  • Posted By: carolina_girl @ 08/26/2008 10:56:26 AM

    I love it when people imply that Obama is experiencing greater success because of his race. Give me a break, when has being anything but white in America been something that gives you a leg up? The civil rights movement was not that long ago. Let's stop pretending that America is over its race issues. The KKK is still active, I still hear the N word dropped on a too-regular basis and many Americans jjust cannot deal with anything but a good 'ol boy in the white house. Even if it means supporting McCain. Sad.

    • Posted By: star3 @ 08/26/2008 2:23:24 PM

      Carolina girl, I hear what you are saying, and understand the reason, but as long as there are jerks out there, of both whites & blacks, who continue to keep the race issue going by their rude remarks, it will never die. There are more who have accepted each other and are willing to move on, than there are the other type, but it only takes a few to keep it rearing its ugly head. The saying "Its the squeeky wheel that gets the oil" is all too true. Its the ones who are determined to continue to feel oppressed, even though they no longer are, that are the loudest, and there are enough on both sides who are more than willing to help them with that. Those of us who are mature and intelligent enough to recognize that the color of one's skin does not cause them to be any more smart, or any dumber, or more entitled to special treatment, we need to make our voices heard louder than the ones who still want to keep their comfort blanket of security by feeling they are better than another, or that they are being subjected to discrimination. There are far too many of every ethnic group who have made a success of their lives to ever again believe one is being prevented from doing so. I feel the ones who claim that are just using it as an excuse not to put forth the neccessary effort to reach their goals, unless they have already reached their goal of being a complainer instead of a doer. This is true of everyone, regardless of their particulare ethnic background---black, white, asians, ect. No one group of people has a monopoly on brilliance or capability or laziness or refusal to become a part of a responsible society. As for color, God likes variety, that is why he made different animals, different flowers, trees, birds, ect.---and different people. (But, personally i could have done fine without the flies, mosquitos, and a few other pests). He, also, may have made us all different, including personalities, as a test to see how we would react, and interact with each other; so far, we are not getting an A in that catagory! God created us in his image, but most of us still need some polishing.

      • Posted By: max in fl @ 08/28/2008 3:59:47 PM

        Spiritual...so...who will you cast your vote for.

    • Posted By: denmill @ 08/26/2008 12:21:53 PM

      If Obama middle name was Jesus, he would be long gone. If he was mormon it would be long gone. If he was white and he went to a church once were a so call reverend Berlin for example was an ex-member of the KKK it would be gone on day 2 that the story came out. Bill Clinton was right to say that Jackson won South Carolina because he was black and the same goes for Obama. I have heard some well educated black men stating that there are voting for Obama so that as blacks they can have more opportunities. What is more racist than that. So here is it, the leftist, the America haters all of the crackhead blacks and most of the well educated blacks are trying to give Barack Hussein Obama a free pass to the White house by mean of affirmative action. Who else would allow a radical leftist such as Jimmy Carter to talk to a Convention. Shame on you Barck Hussein Obama. Well, I have forgotten, you have no shame!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 08/26/2008 11:54:40 AM

    You moron Democrats really sealed the deal for me. I have decided to open an offshore corporation and do 60 to 70% of my business in Panama. For other successful people reading America is ALREADY gone down the tubes! These people have no morals, even though us wealth pay 2/3 of the taxes and they don't even pay 1/2 of THEIR FAIR SHARE they want us to cough up more so their dumb kids can go to college, so they have free health insurance, etc, etc. The list goes on and on for the FREEBIES these losers want.

    Do what I am doing this week. Setup offshore bearer share corporation where your name isn't on the documents, get a credit card merchant account, and for some of your transactions do them offshore and NO TAX. No social security taxes and no income taxes.

    Screw America, I figured in 2020 to 2040 the country would be where we are now, where scumbag thieving Democrats try to steal the HARDEST working segment of the population out of our hard fought money.

    Go ahead and vote for Obama and watch this country CRASH and BURN. Fewer taxes in, SPENDING up big time under Obama. Not only NO NEW JOBS but 3 to 5 million more jobs will be lost. But you'll have your first black president and you can pat yourselves on the back for being so PROGRESSIVE (we call it Liberal).

    You total morons, this is the START of the DECAY OF AMERICA where HIGH STANDARDS go out the window! It's bad enough you let dummies graduate high school, now you are voting one in for President!
    Simply unbelievable. I'm no longer going to financially support this country, I'll keep my 3 employees but no more. I hope other fair minded Americans follow suit, Obama has made this election about class warfare! Let's screw over the poor and middle class and let them see how bad their lives get when the rich aren't there to CARRY THEIR NON TAX PAYING sorry A$$es!

    • Posted By: max in fl @ 08/28/2008 2:58:48 PM

      Let me make a call someone needs an audit.

    • Posted By: denmill @ 08/26/2008 12:10:35 PM

      You miss something . How about us paying for the illegal aliens on welfare, free abortion, and medicaid? How about paying for illegal aliens college tuition, this is the buzz in California now. How about paying for the crack heads and the gansters loading our prison system. The list goes even further.

      • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 08/26/2008 1:02:45 PM

        Yep the America that I LOVE is dead. I'm not even joking and it is SOO SAD. The liberals are all about LOWERING standards when we SHOULD be the smartest, MOST EDUCATED, most high tech, richest nation on earth.

        Problem with educating people and why the Democrats support teachers unions to prevent school choice is they HAVE TO KEEP PEOPLE DUMB AND POOR or else they wouldn't EVER in a million years vote for these idiots! As one teacher on here said, "If I made over $200k a year I'd vote Republican" She's a scumbag for wanting to tax people like me while she gets welfare back from the government but at least she's an HONEST SCUMBAG, the first honest Democrat I met on here so far!

        • Posted By: star3 @ 08/26/2008 1:50:56 PM

          Trader, don't lose hope, that is what the enemy wants us to do. America is still strong, and will continue to be. We are just going through a phase right now. Most of us, including myself, are too young to remember the depression of the 30s, even though we're heard about it, read about it, we have not had to, personally, experience it first hand---until now. Our genration has been use to a certain lifestyle, with only minor problems, occassionally, being injected in our life, but now we have to face some real major issues, which many of us were not prepared for, but to our credit, despite the Chicken Little Syndrom flowing through the media, the sky is NOT falling. Americans have always shown great courage when things get tough, they have always been able to fix, not only our own problems, but those of other countrys as well. I already know the response some will have concerning that comment, but, in your hearts, you will have to recognize the truth of that statement. Many countrys on the planet have had millenniums to become what America was able to do in just a few years, relatively speaking, and we have shared out wealth, helped solve problems, including our own during the early years when we were just beginning to establish ourselves as a free nation. Yes, we had some help form our kind friends in other countrys, and we appreciate that, but to say they, now, hate us is an absolute lie, fabricated by evil forces who want to see America fall. There will always be problems somewhere, and we are no exception to that; yes, some DO probably hate us, but not for the reasons you might think. They hate what they can not understand--our freedom. But for everyone who hates us, there are millions who love us, and appreciate out help to them' this is proven in many ways, one of which is the immigration of people every day who want to become a part of our country, even to the point of risking death to get here illegally. That is another issue, and most Americans feel very strong resentment of those who come here illegally and feel they deserve the same benefits as those who come through legal channels. Our government needs to understand that we will not condon or tolerate ANY benefits afforded to an illegal, except to give them enough food, water, and emergency medical care until they can be sent back to their own country, at the expense of their own country. So, in closing I will say, again, we are not down for the final count, yet, and i have faith in America and in the decendants of those brave souls who fought for us to have this wonderful life we enjoy---our ancestors. Don't be so quick to throw away all they have left us with putting up what may be the biggest fight of our generation. God Bless America is not just a song, its a fact.

          • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 08/26/2008 4:38:00 PM

            GREAT Post Star! You give me hope, there is some intelligence on these newsweek forums!

  • Posted By: Ganpat @ 08/26/2008 12:59:26 PM

    I AM A DEMOCRAT BUT I WILL VOTE MCCAIN BECAUSE OF ONE INCREDIBLE FACT: THAT OBAMA LETS HIS BLOOD-BROTHER ROT IN A NAIROBI SLUM ON AN INCOME OF ONE DOLLAR A MONTH.

    WHILE MCCAIN IS THE PROUD FATHER OF AN ADPTED BANGLADESHI GIRL.

    WHO HAS A HEART?

    • Posted By: max in fl @ 08/28/2008 2:38:03 PM

      Go over to careerdaytrader so he can run you over backing up while he's laughing on his cell phone after you cast your vote.

  • Posted By: star3 @ 08/28/2008 2:26:30 PM

    And a P.S.---Stop using abortion as a birth comtrol method. Yes, there are sometimes valid reasons for abortion when its a medical problem, but not just because its an inconvience. If you don't want to be pregnant, and insist on having sex outside of marriage, then, at least, do some poor child a favor, and use birth control, its available everywhere; If you are pregnant and do not want to keep the baby, then please, give it the only gift you may ever be able to give it---LIFE! Then give it up for adoption; there are plenty of couples out there who would love the opportunity to give your child a good, loving home. We will never be a perfect society, but we can use common sense to be the best one we can be.

  • Posted By: star3 @ 08/28/2008 2:17:08 PM

    I have a suggestion for America: Stop thinking we have to play the big brother/sister to the rest of the world. We have done that since we have been a nation, and maybe its time to back off, let the other nations figure out their own way of handling their problems. Unless one is a threat to us, then let them do their own thing, their own politics, and if the people there object to something, they will, eventually do the same thing we did--revolt. I know we would have to continue to monitor the activities of nations we are suspicious of, to do less would be stupid, but its time, now, to concentrate on America first. Stop the multi-culture bull, stop the hyphanated American crap, and just be what we all are---AMERICANS! Stop pushing one (1) for English, and let anyone else who needs a different language do the 1 pushing. They conform to US, we do not conform to them! Just a few days ago, I flatly refused to push 1, and instead, when prompted to do so, just kept saying "No", and in only a brief time I was connected to a live breathing person to answer my questions. I don't object to automated help, but there are some things only a real person on the other end can help with. When a country begins to believe that anything and everything is acceptable, is when that country will, eventually, lose everything it was founded on, and could very well lose God's blessings, since we would no longer be a Christian nation, but a pagan nation. No matter how many ways you try to "pretty it up", a marriage is between a male & a female; God created Adam & Eve---not Adam & Donald, or Eve and Cathrine. If someone chooses to live their life as something unholy, that is not my place to judge them, it is for God to judge, but neither do I have to condon, accept, or encourage it. I am not un-sympathetic to people who are born with less than the normal amount of genes or harmones that determine their gender, there are all kind of birth defects and that is just one of them, so, yes, I feel very sad for those who find themselves in a state of confusion concerning their gender, and I believe they should be given counciling to help then deal with it, or whatever medical help is appropriate, should they choose to seek such help. I do, not, however, believe a country should make it O.K. for people to flaunt it in the face of others who feel un-comfortable about it. As Christians, we have to LIVE in the world, but we do not have to be a PART of anything we do not believe is of a Christian nature. Also, we do not have to conform to anyone else's idea of what a Christian is, or what our "obligations" are, we only have to answer to God for that. America, stop the insanity, or God may stop his blessings!

  • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 08/26/2008 4:54:32 PM

    I heard that when Obama comes out for his "coronation" speech they are going to play
    that great song Money for Nothing and Your Chicks for Free!

    That's right folks, you heard it HERE first. Not only is he going to give all the lazy, uneducated, not paying their fair share of taxes (if you pay less than $12,000 to $15,000 a year you are NOT paying your fair share), pot head smoking, loser liberals MONEY FOR NOTHING his new campaign PROMISE and one that will give hope to MILLIONS of UGLY, FAT and OBESE men out there, FREE CHICKS!

    That's right, even though you make no money, are UGLY as hell, fat as hell, and have pimples and major body odor he's going to give you SUPER MODEL girlfriends who worship you and cater to your every need!

    And the same thing goes for all the Lezbo's of the Democratic party (studies show they makeup 12% of the Democratic party)! Free chicks for you too!

    LOL you Democrats are a hoot, I'll give your lying, non tax paying, low income earning, want everything but REFUSE to work for what you get, A$$es that!

    • Posted By: Dave in NM @ 08/26/2008 5:24:08 PM

      I am grateful to you for so clearly expressing the Republican party line, stripped of its obfuscation and laid bare in all its hateful glory. Oh, if all you righties could speak so plainly.

      • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 08/26/2008 5:56:06 PM

        You're right about ONE thing I truly hate THIEVES. Pretty much EVERYBODY who supports Obama is in effect supporting stealing!

        I hear you people complaining about the rich that we don't pay our fair share but its in fact the opposite. You don't pay YOUR fair share, I pay it for you. You're welcome, but now you are digging your greedy, dirty little uneducated hands into my pocket again searching for my wallet and I unfortunately am going to have to use some of Barak's Muslim's Faith on you, CUT OFF YOUR HANDS!

        Not ONE of you Democrats have answered any legitimate questions about Obama.

        1) How is he going to create 5 million jobs when pretty much any economist or intelligent person knows the real recession hasn't even hit yet and with the housing bubble and banking crisis why is Obama lying about this? His tax policies will kill another 2 to 5 million jobs, not create any. Its people like me that CREATE jobs, Government doesn't do it but can KILL it through tax increases.

        2) How's he going to handle it WHEN another Muslim extreme group attacks citizens of the US?
        We have NO DOUBT Mc Cain will act swiftly and take care of it, but Obama will want to sit down with them and reason with them. Maybe being a Muslim too he will be able to, who knows! Maybe you should fess up and tell the truth about him and his ability to REASON with the Muslims extremists since he did go to a Madrassa in Indonesia and has the hate speeches memorized. His minister also helped him remember many ANTI US speeches! That's for sure!

        We will start with these 2, if you answer intelligently (oxymoron and impossible since he's so clearly a left wing moron) but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

        • Posted By: wildlifeusa @ 08/26/2008 7:18:46 PM

          No it is not people like you who create jobs.. it is the small businesses who create most jobs! You sound like a miserable, ignorant and uncompassionate bigot!! What you have not understand is that in life it is quality who counts, not quantity. As long as you do not understand that, this country will keep going down the drain. thanks to the republican party.

          • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 08/26/2008 10:03:10 PM

            Listen Dummy, while I do have money and trade I also have a software company that does over $1.2 million a year in sales and I have 3 employees which we pay about $20,000 per month to. You Democrats know NOTHING but FEEL you know everything. I am the happiest guy in the world most of the time as my life is nearly perfect and I want it to STAY that way. I'm in my mid 30s, 6 foot 5, 250lbs, very strong, have beautiful wife, gorgeous BMW 335 convertible with the Vishnu chip which gives it 400 hp and it goes 0-60 in 4.3 seconds. I can do whatever I want, whenever I want and often play golf 3 times a week, go on a few vacations each year and have two houses. HOWEVER I am not about to sit by and let you lazy scumbags elect the least qualified idiot of all time which is going to cost me $250,000 extra in taxes. You and your party are THIEVES. You want FREE Health care for everybody but FEW DEMOCRATS can pay for it themselves they want US, the rich Republicans to pay for your failed lives. NO WAY, sorry. Work harder, go back to college and get a job with health insurance. Only the worst jobs do NOT include health insurance!

            • Posted By: max in fl @ 08/28/2008 2:12:16 PM

              People who have MONEY never brag about, its only the people who only have money that do. Please don't ask me to explain.

  • Posted By: wildlifeusa @ 08/26/2008 8:48:20 PM

    One more thing, All the people who makes our lives better every day, people who serves our lunches, mow our lawns, sit our kids, pump our gas, clean our toilets, don't you think they deserve health care????

    • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 08/27/2008 10:14:22 AM

      I just happened to re read our Constitution and Bill of RIghts and NOWHERE in there did our founding fathers state that American's are ENTITLED to free food, jobs, health care, etc.

      It's the PURSUIT of Happiness that is guaranteed. If you're a Failure and Loser its your problem not mine.

      If you want to END or reduce poverty how about enacting a law that states people need a certain INCOME to have children? That would do it in a generation or two! I think what's fair is everybody can have ONE kid but to have 2 you need to make $30,000, to have 3 you need $50,000 per year and to have 4 you need to make over $100,000 per year. That would end or slow the poverty explosion as all these welfare mothers who are popping our 3 to 5 kids who then grow up, steal, sell drugs and kill go to prison and us hard working tax payers have to pay $40k to $50k a year to house them in jail. Crazy!

      I agree with your party lets REALLY END POVERTY - Stop the poor from EXPANDING poverty by reducing the NUMBERS of poor. The poor don't HELP society at ALL!

      • Posted By: max in fl @ 08/28/2008 1:51:51 PM

        To the democrats that now want McCain because Obama is pro choice, this is what your new republican home wants to do for you...nothing. Well said.

    • Posted By: star3 @ 08/27/2008 3:19:41 AM

      Wild, everyone deserves the right to work for what they get, so be thankful we live in a country that gives us the freedom to make choices about our lives. No, I do not feel that raising our taxes so that some street person who was too lazy to get themselves educated so they could get a decent job and pay for their own health plan deserves or has a right to my taxes to provide that for them. I am not rich, but I do have a good health plan, due to doing the above. Besides, there is already a health care program for the poor, its called welfare, and was intended as a temporary assistence, not as an option to working. And don't attempt to tell a Christian what their obligations are; being a Christian does not mean I have to provide you with anything except respect. Being a Christian does not mean being a whimp, so, yes, we can fight for what we believe in, just as our ancestors did. I'm not blaming the poor for being poor, but neither do I feel obligated to provide for their every need unless they are completely helpless to do for themselves. Some people just need to stop being whiners, and start being doers; stop expecting to get, and begin looking to see where you can give. I'm all for programs that help people get a better life, and help young people get an education, so they can help themselves, and we can all benefit from their expertise once they have become doctors, mechanics, chefs or what ever they choose as their career, but I am opposed to programs which deprive people of the pride of doing for themselves. Temporary help, yes, permanent entitlement, no. Recipents should be given a time limit in which to complete a program that will help them get a better life, then they need to move on. Tax $$ should go for worthwhile programs, not to study the breeding habits of mosquitos, or such nonsense. And Social Security should not be touched at all except to be given to those who have paid into it when they retire as it was intended, or to their children who are still minors if their parent has deceased. And Illegals are not entitled to anything except emergency care and to be sent back to their own country, at the expense of their own country, and if they are caught here a second time illegally, the fine to their country doubles, and if we can't collect, then we send them to Iraq to earn their keep by fighting for it.

      • Posted By: wanderlust @ 08/27/2008 5:35:26 AM

        star3 You are so full of ***, time and time again you prove you are no Christian.. Jesus advocated for the poor (Matthew 25:31-46) (Mark 8:1-13)(Mark 6:30-44) (Luke 4:18-19) (Matthew 19:16-30, Luke 18:18-30, Mark 10:17-31) (Luke 14:13) another demonstration of a bible thumper using the bible for self-righteousness.. great job with the lie you sad sad person

        • Posted By: star3 @ 08/28/2008 12:35:43 AM

          BING!! The lightbulb just went on! Now I get it! I've finally figured out why you are so adament about Christians and making sure they know what YOUR interpetation of one is and what YOU feel is their duty! Its a personal thing with you, because you ARE one of the vermin, the bums who wants to leech off people who serve God, whom you don't even believe in! Oh, yeah, now I've got your number! And you're afraid you will lose your free ticket if they get wise to you! Ah Ha! Gottcha! You want to be like a kept pet instead of a functioning human! Well, if anyone, Christian or otherwise is dumb enough to allow you to get away with that, its between you & them, but now that I'm aware of just what you are, I am through with wasting my time responding to a leech. G'bye, Wander, have a nice life, and i hope that when its your time to meet that deity whom you don't believe in, I pray He will be forgiving of you, but in order for thatm to happen,m you have to first believe in, and accept someone you say you don't accept or believe in, so I will pray for you. Sometimes thats all you can do for someone who is stubborn and egotistical beyond believing there is any higher power than themselves. Sometimes you can love someone who is like that, but you accept that you have to love them and pray for them from a distance, because trying to get close to them only serves to disrupt your life and can be extremely stressful. I speak from first hand experience; been there, done that, so I finally had to let go, and let God. Open your heart to Jesus, Wander, he is waiting to be your friend. Goodbye, & God Bless.

        • Posted By: star3 @ 08/28/2008 12:04:44 AM

          Wander, you are not the one to be telling anyone what kind of Christian they should be. Being a Christian means one who belives in Jesus Christ; Practicing Christanity means exactly what I stated---doing what you need to do, but not enabling people who continously refuse to do for themselves. If you were familiar with the Bible or Christianty at all, you would know that. The Bible is full of stories of God's people fighting for what they believed in; were you even aware that Jesus was born of the House of David? David was one of God's choosen, he was a warrior, he put one of his soldiers in a position in battle to be killed, so that David could then marry the widow, who was pregnant with King David's child! David was not a timid person, and he was not opposed to, often, using devious methods to get what he wanted, yet God loved David, and sent his son, Jesus to be born into the line of David's decendents, so do you want to argue with God? Oh, forgot, you don't believe in him. Your idea of a Christian is someone who gives of themselves 24-7 to those in need; I have one comment to that----B.S.! Yes, Christians do give of themselves, but we are not required to adopt the dam world! We HELP, just as i stated, but help has a limit when applied to people who can but won't help themselves. The Bible, also says "Cast not your pearls before swine." Do you even have a clue as to what that refers to?? Now, if you can give me a valid reason why lazy, stagnating vermin should continue to be a leech on someone, besides the fact that the "someone" is a Christian, and YOU feel in their duty, then please do so, otherwise, SHUT UP!!

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