So What If He Were Muslim?

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  • Posted By: cubeman4 @ 08/25/2008 3:13:44 PM

    The fact of the matter is that Obama only started going to church after local leaders said he wouldn't get anywhere in Community Organizing without going to church and making connections. Either it was a political decision or he really was brought to Christianity for the first time by a racist nutjob who blames America and white people for 9/11. Personally I hope it was a political sceme so at least he's not some kind of ultra-radical. But his political career was launched at an enviro-terrorist's house and his other "father figure" is a Communist pedophile, Frank Marshall Davis. I know it sounds almost too odd to be true, but I'm not throwing this stuff out there. It's just happens to be factually true.

    (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/2601914/Frank-Marshall-Davis-alleged-Communist-was-early-influence-on-Barack-Obama.html)

  • Posted By: ndrock @ 08/25/2008 1:22:01 PM

    Hate, fear, mongering? You don't think that the people in this country in this time and place in history have a right to be? We have earned that right! If you want a Muslim in power then move to the Middle East. NO ONE will stop you. He may not be a Muslim, but he sure as hell isn't the old run of the mill Christian either. Anybody that thinks just because the paid off news media does not broadcast his past involment with a raciest black church, blamming the whites in this country for everything that is wrong with them, has stuck their heads up thier butts!

    • Posted By: JohnASmith @ 08/25/2008 1:49:28 PM

      So you are saying that you have a right to hateful and fear mongering because of recent historical events? Does that mean African -Americans have a right to hate whites because of slavery? Or Jews the Catholic Church because of the Inquisitions? Hate & ingnorance are a lethal combination

      • Posted By: whatintheworld @ 08/25/2008 2:23:16 PM

        TO JOHN A SMITH! NO THE JEWS DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO HATE THE CATHOLIC IN THIS COUNTRY, AND THE BLACKS DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO HATE IN THIS COUNTRY, BUT THE AMERICAN CITIZENS HAVE A RIGHT TO WANT A CHRISTIAN BASED AMERICAN CITIZEN AS OUR PRESIDENT! YOU MORON!
        AND IF ANYONE WANTS A MUSLIM LEADER, MOVE TO THE MIDDLE EAST! THERE WILL NOT BE ONE HERE IN THE USA, ONE WAY OR ANOTHER! HE ISN'T GOING TO MAKE IT, THANKS TO THE PEOPLE LIKE THE KKK!!! MAYBE THEY ARE GOOD FOR SOMETHING!

        • Posted By: createdequalchrissy @ 08/25/2008 3:08:47 PM

          To Whatintheworld: You know, it's morons like you that give our country a bad name. The KKK??? Really. How would you feel if the KKK came after your family or someone you loved? You're obviously some white person who thinks everyone is a second class citizen except for the white anglo saxons. How ignorant are you? If Obama wasn't Christian based, he would have kicked Hiliary Clinton to the curb instead of trying to help you retire her debt, if Obama wasn't Christian based, he would fired back at and hit John McCain below the belt months ago. It's quite obvious that YOU aren't christian based cause you breed hate and malicious intent. Thank God you're not running for public office.

  • Posted By: jdkmo @ 08/25/2008 3:05:10 PM

    You know, even if he did convert to Christianity, shouldn't that be a plus, Christians? As a Christian myself, I don't really care what religion he WAS or USED TO BE (OR NEVER WAS) as long as he accepts Jesus Christ now.
    Besides, even if he were Muslim, it shouldn't matter. This government is SUPPOSED to practice seperation of Church and State.

    Christians who hate Muslims and think Obama is dangerous should reread the Bible and LOOK CAREFULLY at Jesus' teachings. He preached to love thy neighboor, not unequivocally hate.

  • Posted By: int1 @ 08/25/2008 3:04:01 PM

    About the quoted statement in the article by Valerie Jarrett top Obama advisor:"...one's religion is one's business, that no candidate should be subjected to tests of religious faith as long as the candidate believes in separating faith from goveernance..."
    COMMENT:As long as the religion does not intrinsecally demands its believers govern politically according to the beliefs dictated in the religion itself...

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/23/2008 11:34:25 PM

    Transcript for new Hussein ad...Hussein camp threatening stations if they run it. This is soooo FUNNY....

    Beyond the speeches, how much do you know about Barack Obama?

    What does he really believe?


    Consider this:

    United 93 never hit the Capitol on 9/11.

    But the Capitol was bombed thirty years before -

    By an American terrorist group called Weather Underground that declared 'war' on the U.S. -

    Targeting the Capitol, the Pentagon, police stations and more.

    One of the group's leaders, William Ayers, admits to the bombings, proudly saying later:

    'We didn't do enough.'

    Some members of the group Ayers founded even went on to kill police.


    But Barack Obama is friends with Ayers, defending him as, quote,

    'Respectable' and 'Mainstream.'

    Obama's political career was launched in Ayers' home.

    And the two served together on a left-wing board.


    Why would Barack Obama be friends with someone who bombed the Capitol...and is proud of it?

    Do you know enough to elect Barack Obama?


    American Issues Project is responsible for the content of this ad.

    Just someone who lives in his neighborhood??? SURE.

    NOBAMA!!!

    • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 08/23/2008 11:44:37 PM

      So I guess it's more smear than truth - Ayers is respectably employed these days, decades later, and works with all types of folks - including Republicans.

      Big deal.

      • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/23/2008 11:48:19 PM

        you must not even be an American...Ayers is an unrepentent terrorist. He and his group bombed the Pentagon and Capitol. His group murdered some policeman. Ayers comment...in the NYT on 9/11/2001...."I'm sorry, we didn't do more." He should have been charged with treason and executed.

        NOBAMA!!!

        • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 08/23/2008 11:53:23 PM

          Well then so should Bush and Cheney - they allowed 9/11 to happen.

          Perhaps the Zionist branch of the Mossad arranged it - or maybe it was a deal that fell through for Bush and the Bin Ladens. But we'll never know the true story behind 9/11, now, will we? There are plenty of conspiracy theories....

          Just like your Ayers b.s. - he is now a professor and working in Illinois totally exonerated and he also has Republican friends. Big whoop.

          • Posted By: EagleJim @ 08/25/2008 3:03:12 PM

            Hey, "notrouble," you are obviously a conspiracy-theory wacko. You'd be better off doing as much research on why 9/11 wasn't a US gov't plot as you do on why it was a gov't plot. The info is out there. Do your intellect a big favor and do the research.

            You also have the characteristics of a "blind" kool-aid drinking partisan. I'd wager you believe everything you're told by your side, and hate who you're told to and when you're told to. I think you're a "kept" intellect, not able to think and reason for yourself. Your opinions and judgements are spoon-fed to you, right?

          • Posted By: cutter37 @ 08/25/2008 12:49:54 PM

            notrouble, You are an arrogant know it all liberal elitest wacko. It is clear from your postings where your allegiance lies, and it certainly is not with Israel, the ONLY democracy in the Middle East. Your vision for America is not mine.

          • Posted By: Smart Democrat @ 08/25/2008 11:08:32 AM

            Ayers may have a mainstream job at the present time. He was not exonerated. He got off on a technacality. He was guilty of murder and one person lost their eye because of being bombed by his group of thugs. I will not vote for Obama and I have been a democrat all my life. I am not impressed by the lack of judgement he shows when picking friends and associates.

          • Posted By: thehappyamerican @ 08/24/2008 7:11:49 AM

            Ayers is not exonerated. He admits to what he is, any way. Some of his co-conspirators were imprisoned. They wanted to bring the death and fighting in Southeast Asia to the streets of the USA. thier mottto was Bring The War Home.

      • Posted By: thehappyamerican @ 08/24/2008 7:13:15 AM

        Not respcrtibly employed.. rather some nice liberal radicles gave him a jobn.
        there's a difference!

  • Posted By: arodoll333 @ 08/25/2008 3:00:53 PM

    Ellis, while I find your article very interesting, I believe you are off-base to assume that religious beliefs and politics are completely separate. I believe very strongly in the separation of church and state but a Politician???s religious/spiritual beliefs should dramatically influence their decision-making. When making a difficult or controversial decision, I have always leaned on my core beliefs which are fundamentally based in my religion. To think that anyone can completely abandon these beliefs is simply naïve, especially for a person with the responsibility of our Nation and it???s future. Having said that, Obama has been unfairly targeted regarding religion. How many adulterous or scandal-ridden Politicians claim they are religious and time and time again get caught in compromising positions yet their religious beliefs are not questioned? That is the underlying racism at work not only in this campaign but that exists across America.

  • Posted By: arodoll333 @ 08/25/2008 2:59:06 PM

    Ellis, while I find your article very interesting, I believe you are off-base to assume that religious beliefs and politics are completely separate. I believe very strongly in the separation of church and state but a Politician???s religious/spiritual beliefs should dramatically influence their decision-making. When making an difficult or controversial decision, I have always leaned on my core beliefs which are fundamentally based in my religion. To think that anyone can completely abandon these beliefs is simply naïve, especially for a person with the responsibility of our Nation and it???s future. Having said that, Obama has been unfairly targeted regarding religion. How many times does someone have to say they are a Christian for people to believe it? How many adulterous or scandal-ridden Politicians claim they are religious and time and time again get caught in compromising positions yet their religious beliefs are not questioned? That is the underlying racism at work not only in this campaign but that exists across America.

  • Posted By: ZeitungBob @ 08/25/2008 2:58:21 PM

    My singular disappointment with Senator Obama is that he did not answer the smear campaign with the statement: "I'm not Muslim; I'm Christian--but in our country that should not make a difference."

  • Posted By: mcf304 @ 08/25/2008 2:52:49 PM

    Thank you for this article. This issue has been overlooked by the media for way too long. The primary reason this country exists is the pursuit of religious freedom.

  • Posted By: EagleJim @ 08/25/2008 2:46:38 PM

    Wow. This writer tries to calm the anti-Moslem nervousness and fears of voters by citing a CAIR representative? The writer obviously doesn't know that CAIR has been linked to terrorist promotion and financing. CAIR also calls for, and has as their political agenda, a hundred year plan to Islamicize America and the eventual flying of the Islamic flag above the nation's capital. CAIR should be shunned by society and by political parties, and their supporters (like this article's writer) and NGOs should likewise be chastised.

  • Posted By: airforcemom @ 08/25/2008 2:44:08 PM

    http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert

    http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/fightthesmearshome/
    And for the Pièce de résistance:

    http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/

  • Posted By: JWilly48519 @ 08/25/2008 2:39:46 PM

    In President Kennedy's run, the suggestions that Roman Catholicism was a disqualifier were founded in a root belief that a Roman Catholic might have dual loyalties divided between his nation and his Constitutional oath on one hand, and his religion and religious leader (the Pope in Rome) on the other hand. That view was proven wrong in Kennedy's case, but it was not fundamentally unreasonable or indicative of intolerance for voters to be concerned about it. The voters are responsible for choosing a President who will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, without divided loyalty.

    American voters, by and large, don't worry about Protestant Christian faiths, which don't have strong central leadership and have passed the test of time in regard to compatibility with the Presidency. History has seved to educate the voters that Protestant Christian Presidents don't have divided loyalty.

    This is the first time that a candidate has been linked (albeit factually incorrectly) to the Moslem faith...and that faith is widely perceived (albeit again incorrectly) as having central international leadership, hewing to values that are inconsistent with Americanism, and perhaps even wanting to see the US Constitution destroyed. Thus, loyalty concerns have arisen.

    Note that, whether or not factually based, a Presidential candidate of the Jewish faith would be likely to have to "prove" his or her single loyalty to the US in order to avoid parallel concerns about loyalties divided between the US and Israel.

    Concerns about religion leading to divided loyalties are not in any way specific to the Moslem faith. Whether those concerns arose on their own or have been cynically encouraged by political opponents, it's not unreasonable for voters to be concerned with their constitutional responsibility to judge that factor. What we owe the voters is however much media education it takes for them to be aware of the facts.

  • Posted By: airforcemom @ 08/25/2008 2:36:56 PM

    My browser went haywire so I am sorry for the typos in my last post
    ( thought I would get this in real quick before some of you " intelligent " folks respond to my previous typing

  • Posted By: Just thinking @ 08/25/2008 2:35:15 PM

    Ah geezzz ... now we're getting into the he said/she said mode ... degrading ourselves for all the world to see! Turning it into racism ... last time I checked we are American and we do have the right to free speech. I might not agree with it ... I might even call it reversed racism and un-American. But, at least I can say it!!!

  • Posted By: Husker84 @ 08/25/2008 1:44:40 PM

    Many of those proclaiming Obama to be a Muslim know that it's a lie. The same boards where these scurilous vermin dwell have well refutiated the claim. But it's a convenient way to smear him. It's all by design. The portrayal of Obama as a "celebrity" is also aimed at the reactionary subconscience. Obama is a celebrity because that is where he belongs. In their eyes, he can be an athlete, an actor a rap singer and even an "appointed" political figure, but he must not under any circumstances be the popularly elected leader of the United States.

    • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 08/25/2008 2:33:43 PM

      You are saying he SHOULD be a celebrity? For what? Writing a book about his father? I've read so many BETTER books, wouldn't put this into the top 250 pieces of literature in last 10 years!

      For what?

      He failed as a community organizer - NOTHING CHANGED and crime and poverty are worse after he was done then before.

      He failed as an Illinois representative - He voted PRESENT at over 140 votes instead of FOR or AGAINST. Why? It makes it harder to run for State Senator when people KNOW WHAT YOU ARE FOR or AGAINST! So he failed here too.

      He failed as a US Senator - Again he missed 45% of the votes and DID NOT VOTE on many of the controversial ones because that would affect his PRESIDENTIAL run IF PEOPLE KNEW WHERE HE STOOD on important issues.

      The man is a total fake, liar, hypocrite as he won't even give his brother George money who is poor in Kenya and lives on $1 a day, and a LOSER. Only bigger losers are the total brain dead morons who vote for him.

  • Posted By: theshrink @ 08/25/2008 2:33:16 PM

    I thought for a long time that I lived among morons, but I wasn't sure. Reading many of the comments urged by Mr. Cose's stupid article, I now know I am. Islam is a high-jacked rligion and ideology. Islam and the United States Constitution are incompatible. Most of the commentators have teh slightest idea of Islam. It is a fascist religion -- one that has control of its members from birth to death. If you want that, go to Saudi Arabia.

  • Posted By: edpeepers @ 08/25/2008 2:31:47 PM

    whatintheworld: You left your Caps Lock on. I couldn't read what you burbled.

  • Posted By: daviddepot867 @ 08/25/2008 1:21:45 PM

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    in see how DOD dealing .. Even I say live Commander David along...
    Now Iraq they not real; take deal yes..
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    When I ask I will make clear...


    God other ball out

    • Posted By: whatintheworld @ 08/25/2008 2:25:46 PM

      CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS CHARACTER? LEARN HOW TO SPEAK THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE, AND GO BACK HOME TO IRAQ YOU BLOOMING IDIOT!

    • Posted By: topcat9 @ 08/25/2008 1:26:39 PM

      this guys an idiot

  • Posted By: wildlifeusa @ 08/25/2008 2:21:07 PM

    WHAT YOUR GOVERNMENT IS NOT TELLING YOU: journal Le Monde, WE ARE LOOSING THE WAR AGAINST THE TALIBANS AND IT IS GOING TO AFFECT THE WHOLE WORLD! Thanks to Bush!
    And you want 4 more years of the Bush agenda?? You ve got to be out of your mind!'

  • Posted By: colpittman@msn.com @ 08/25/2008 2:19:46 PM

    Read the Koran, and if you are inteligent enough to understand it you will realize why NO musllim should ever be elected to the highest office in this nation. Got news for you, 1/3 of the worlds Muslims would love to bury us, and why cafe radicals and worse sit around supporting a smoke-screen leftist like Obama, the nation only becomes more imperiled. This guy's mother was an atheist from Kansas who left her grass-roots family values behind when she married a Muslim from Kenya, who, in turn, rasied Obama for the first 7 years of his life as a Muslim where he attended mosque etc. in one of the most repressive forms of religion in existence. To think this has NOT influenced his view of the world is most naive, and he is about as much a man with good old American values as is Joe Biden who tries to sell HIS working class back-ground while his kids go to Yale and make millions with sweet bank deals. Give me a break. Problem with these two is that their supporters are so brain-washed and unable to criticallly examine his background that they would vote for anybody promising to make this nation a culturally pluralistic, kumbaya untopio where only certain people have to work hard to achieve the American dream so they can support the free-loading parasites who sit around and wait for their unearned piece of the pie. Well it will never happen because there are too many OTHER Americans who will be pushed only so far by left week anarchists, and socialists before they speak at the polls - or by other means!

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