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  • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 08/26/2008 10:25:19 AM

    "I actually think that maybe having an absent father meant also that you have a different relationship with your mother, and because you have to grow up faster, you feel like maybe you have to protect them a little bit more" - Barack Obama

    How misogynist can you get? No wonder he is so dismissive of HRC -- he feels women can't do things on their own and need to be protected.

    • Posted By: bigair199 @ 08/26/2008 11:16:50 PM

      You have trully crossed the line between crazy and insane! If you actually believe that then you should do everyone a favor and stay at home the night the voting booth's open in Nov.

  • Posted By: rbtmorgan @ 08/26/2008 12:56:34 PM

    Obama had an opportunity to make a dramatic choice for vice president - and he booted it. Joe Biden is by all accounts a knowledgeable and personable guy, but he is a consummate Washington insider. The Democratic presidential nominee is facing a host of issues in quest for the presidency - making inroads in the traditionally Republican West, the energy crises, future negotiations with hostile regimes, appealing to the growing Hispanic community, a lack of executive experience, and so on. The one person who could have provided help in all of these areas is Bill Richardson, the part-Hispanic governor of New Mexico who sacrificed his friendship with the Clintons by his early endorsement of Obama. His resume includes posts as Secretary of Energy and ambassador to he UN and successful dealings with Mideast and North Korean leaders. Yet he did not even get a prominent speaking role at the Convention. Obama's call for change we can believe in is tarnished by his VP selection.

    • Posted By: bigair199 @ 08/26/2008 11:14:49 PM

      Did it occur to you that maybe Bill Richardson didn't want to be V.P.? He has stated many times that he was perfectly happy being Governor.

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 08/26/2008 2:14:06 PM

    SOME OF YOU PEOPLE ARE TRULY BIAS, PREDJUDICED, DESPERATE & STUPID....



    THE CIA, THE FBI, THE SECRET SERVICE, THE STATE OF HAWAII, THE UNIVERSITIES OF COLUMBIA, HARVARD, THE STATE OF ILLINOIS, THE CITY OF CHICAGO, THE ILLINOIS STATE DEPT. REGARDING ID'S, THE ILLINOIS SENATE, THE FEDERAL CLEARENCE OF ALL FEDERAL SEMATORS AND THE NATIONAL ID PROCES FOR ALL RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT, MUST BE THE MOST INCOMPETENT GROUPS IN AMERICA....

    THANK YOU AND DO KEEP YOUR BORDERLINE-BULL-SPIT..GOING

    ITS AN EXCERCISE IN FUTILITY...A PURE WASTE OF TIME...

    BUT HEY, BE MY GUEST !!!!

    NEWSREEL: HAWAII HAS SUCCESSFULLY SEVERED ITSELF FROM THE UNION AND WILL REJOIN THE USA AFTER THE ELECTION !!!

    • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/26/2008 3:45:48 PM

      Hey Goober........Bill Clinton called Hussein Obama a "Chicago Thug" today. Wonder if he has been reading HolyRollers comments. P.U.M.A.

      A mohammed in the White House??? GOD forbid...and HE has......

      NOBAMA!!!

      • Posted By: TheVigil @ 08/26/2008 8:46:25 PM

        As usual, Roller, with your comments it's all about you. I wouldn't flatter yourself by thinking any more than the readership of these boards cares about your opinions or knows who you are.

        • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/26/2008 9:09:58 PM

          Virgil...are you jealous of me???

          NOBAMA!!!

          • Posted By: TheVigil @ 08/26/2008 9:55:01 PM

            What you just said proves my point a bit. The notion that I would be jealous of you illustrates your belief that everyone's actions are based around you. I said what I said very calmly and factually, not bitterly in the slightest - but you think I'm jealous because you have such a narcissistic regard and high opinion of yourself that you can't possibly understand who *wouldn't* be jealous of you.

            Step back and take a look at reality for a second. What on Earth do I possibly have to be jealous of? Your suspicious nature? Your tendency to override evidence based on your own dislike of people or circumstances? The core of fear that guides all your actions that you don't even seem to be aware of?

            I'm pretty sure I have more fun before breakfast than you do all day, my friend. The frown lines and high-cheeked pride I see etched into some of the right-wing protestors I see look like they've been etched there by a stonemason. But that's not what this is about. It's about principles, and issues, not personalities and reactionary emotionality. I just hope you get that someday.

            • Posted By: bigair199 @ 08/26/2008 11:12:23 PM

              Don't waste your time Vigil. I said it once and I will say it again, you just can't fix stupid! Yeah that mean's you HolyRoller if you can't figure that out either!

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/26/2008 8:40:29 PM

    NEW YORK TIMES September 11, 2001

    No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen
    By DINITIA SMITH
    Published: September 11, 2001

    '"I don't regret setting bombs,'" Bill Ayers said. '"I feel we didn't do enough.'" Mr. Ayers, who spent the 1970's as a fugitive in the Weather Underground, was sitting in the kitchen of his big turn-of-the-19th-century stone house in the Hyde Park district of Chicago. The long curly locks in his Wanted poster are shorn, though he wears earrings. He still has tattooed on his neck the rainbow-and-lightning Weathermen logo that appeared on letters taking responsibility for bombings. And he still has the ebullient, ingratiating manner, the apparently intense interest in other people, that made him a charismatic figure in the radical student movement.

    HUSSEIN...YOU HAVE BEEN LYING ABOUT YOUR RELATIONSHIP, WITH THIS TRASH......TELL THE TRUTH......We feel YOU haven't done enough.....

    NOBAMA!!!

    • Posted By: TheVigil @ 08/26/2008 9:00:25 PM

      See my reply to Roller below for a more balanced perspective on Ayers and Obama free from this kind of screaming.

      • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/26/2008 9:08:17 PM

        Hey Virgil...do you agree with Willy...do you feel he didn't do enough???

        I agree with most Detectives...there are NO coincidences....9/11 issue?????hmmmm....sure makes me wonder.

        NOBAMA!!!

        • Posted By: TheVigil @ 08/26/2008 9:47:18 PM

          Nope, I think what he did was reprehensible. The man was attempting to stop the slaughter of innocents in Vietnam by slaughtering innocents here. It doesn't work. You can't fight a gasoline fire with gasoline. His stated intentions were in direct conflict with the actions he took.

          That being said, I completely understand the desire to inflict pain and suffering on those who perpetuate it against others in the hopes that they will see the inhumanity of their positions by experiencing the reverse. I don't believe it works - I think it relies a fundamental proposition that people who willfully mistreat and abuse others think about their actions and self-correct their behavior, which is false - but I'm never going to claim that I haven't had similar feelings towards people who are unfair and unjust and laugh at the sufferings of others. It's a pretty instinctive reaction to abuse. But I don't act on them. I believe in the teachings of Martin Luther King, not Malcolm X.

          What I give Ayers credit for is the fact that he no longer takes the kinds of actions he once advocated. He serves on anti-poverty and social justice panels now. I'm aware he's expressed a rather mixed attitude towards his time with the Weathermen, but actions speak louder than words, and his actions now are those of a man more committed to social reform than revenge. And the revenge is an illusion anyway - most times a violent and unfair attitude is its own punishment. I rarely see smiles etched into the faces of protestors screaming moral panic against immigrants and foreigners and calling for severe punishment against those who don't agree with them. What I do see is a *lot* of fear and anger and deep misery. It's more important to help those who are mistreated than it is to punish the oppressors, who I do believe spend a lot of time in a cage made of their own emotions anyway.

          And as far as there being "no coincidences", go Google that phrase and see what comes up as the most common use of it these days. In addition to that particular movement, that phrase is often used to justify suspicion based on dislike that overrides actual evidence (the way you're using it now). I'll just say that I don't agree. "Co-incidence" means "two things happening at the same time". Lots of things happen all over the world at the same time that have nothing to do with each other besides minute gravitational effects. If I drop a fork at dinner, it doesn't mean that just caused the gunshot that happened simultaneously halfway across the world.

          (And, just as a postscript, those of us who've studied general and special relativity know that the whole notion of "simultaneity" is a physical fallacy anyway.)

  • Posted By: Zealot @ 08/25/2008 6:05:34 AM

    EKS25 at least the media even with their apparent love, usually try to corroborate their sources of in formation with factual information from the ground. take for instance the words of Neil Abercrombie( Hawaii congressman) concerning the relationship between Stanley Dunham and his grandson Barack Obama: '' "He was very avuncular and very well liked," says Abercrombie. "And he loved that little boy, just loved him. He took him everywhere."

    The internet may not entirely be a reliable source of info if that source CANNOT BE verifiable,as the case of Obama's birth certificate and most of those scaremongering tactics of Jerome Corsi and co. have now turned out to be- LIES AND SWIFT-BOATING.

    • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/25/2008 8:15:07 AM

      The questions involving Hussein's C.O.L.B. are far from over. The Annenberg Fact(free)Check article was full of holes. The pics provided were less convincing than the "Bigfoot" hoax photos. They used angles, no scan for analysis. If the C.O.L.B. were truly authentic...why not make it available for scrutiny.

      We DO KNOW this. The C.O.L.B. posted on the FightTheSmears and the DailyKooks websites WERE altered.

      Preview for next set of questions......1980's passport for a "Barry Soetoro" with a nationality of Indonesia. Supposedly obtained in Pakistan, by the RNC.

      We will see.

      NOBAMA!!!

      • Posted By: raddave @ 08/25/2008 8:26:41 AM

        Why the obsession with his birth certificate? It is geniuine and you cannot stand to be proven wrong, again!!! politico.com has reported that they saw the birth certificate as well. Yea, they were altered to cover his certificate number, wow, scandalous!!! Where is this passport that you claim exists? When you have some proof, then come on here an post it.

        • Posted By: summer4077 @ 08/25/2008 8:47:42 AM

          We all know holyroller is off his rocker. He makes outrageous claims over and over, yet none have been proven to be true. Anyway, as I've mentioned numerous times in response to holyroller (yet he never acknowledges it), most states birth records, if not all, are public record. Here's Hawaii's: https://www.ehawaii.gov/doh/vitrec/exe/vitrec.cgi

          • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/25/2008 10:06:49 AM

            Husseins are sealed. WONDER WHY???

            NOBAMA!!!

            • Posted By: raddave @ 08/25/2008 10:23:09 AM

              Husseins are not sealed, they are only issued to authorized individuals. Every one's birth certificates are "sealed" in Hawaii because they are not public records.

              • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/25/2008 10:38:22 AM

                then whats the big deal with him making them available??? That would shut this argument down??? He has thus refused access..except to his own flunkies. WHY??? The Phillip Berg case will reveal light on the issue. The man is former Deputy Attny. General for the State of Pennsylvania. He knows not to file something that could be considered frivilous. I feel sure we will know something fairly soon.

                NOBAMA!!!

                NOBAMA!!!

                • Posted By: TheVigil @ 08/26/2008 9:05:40 PM

                  Why on Earth should the man have to give up some of the same privacy rights allowed to every other citizen born in Hawaii on your say-so? Part of the "big deal" is that it would set a precedent for the access of privacy-protected records based on suspicion instead of evidence.

                  Stop thinking you and the rest of the folks clamoring for this are special in some way and thus have the right to override the prevailing code.

                • Posted By: raddave @ 08/25/2008 1:10:32 PM

                  Phillip J. Berg is a "9/11 truther" who has also filed lawsuits against George Bush, that was thrown out. And, in 2005 he was fined and sanctioned for ethics violations. The big deal is that Obama has already satisfied his eligibility when he filed his candidacy papers. Don't you think if there was any truth to this story, it would have been persued by someone other than a conspiracy nutjob?

                  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/25/2008 1:33:24 PM

                    well...if he is so incompetent....ya'll have nothing to worry about. HOWEVER...if he has real evidence, then Hussein's candidacy will soon end. I don't care in the least about Bergs opinions...I care about the TRUTH about Hussein. As for the initial filings...no the documents were not checked for tampering...and no, there would have been no search for his past. That is why vetting of candidates occur.

                    All I know is this....a Clinton appointed Fed. Judge has been assigned the case. There will be some type of closure to this. VERY SOON.

                    Davieboy...you seem to be pretty sharp...what is your opinion for Husseins not giving access to ANYONE who wants proof of his C.O.L.B. (besides his own flunkies), and proof of his citizenship? It would stop this argument or finish his candidacy. It is gaining a lot of credence by his stonewalling.

                    NOBAMA!!!

                    • Posted By: raddave @ 08/25/2008 1:45:04 PM

                      Well the judge in the case denied the temporary restraining order on the case, so that is an indication that if there had been something, then it would have been granted.

                      As for Berg's past, it shows that he lack credibility

                      I personally am satisfied that Obama is a natural born citizen of the U.S. Don't you think if there was some credence to this accusation, then Hillary Clinton or John McCain would have persued this?

                      • Posted By: SPIRITED AWAY @ 08/25/2008 2:12:29 PM

                        RE:"Don't you think if there was some credence to this accusation, then Hillary Clinton or John McCain would have persued this?"

                        Make no mistake, the Clinton's are behind this. Berg is an ardent Clinton supporter. And the judge, the Hon. R. Barclay Surrick, was appointed to the bench by none other than Bill Clinton himself. Typical Clinton style-did anyone EVER really believe that they would go down without a fight?

                        • Posted By: raddave @ 08/25/2008 3:10:21 PM

                          Don't you think if the Clinton's were behind this, they would have filed it with enough time to be made before the convention?

                          • Posted By: SPIRITED AWAY @ 08/25/2008 3:20:46 PM

                            I don't know for sure. But Hillary might not want to piss off the millions of people that support Barack. She will need ALL of their votes come 2012. This is pure speculation of course.

                      • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/25/2008 2:24:28 PM

                        Like there was any chance of a TRO being issued? No way. This will require an answer. That is all I want. Let truth be truth....and why hide from it. It gives the appearance of guilt at best. The Fact(less)Check story only added fuel to the fire. VERY poor job...as was the Rezko deal. That is FAR from over.

                        Soooo many unanswered questions about The False One...he better give true answers...not crap like the Selma love march...No that is not forgotten. Just on mothballs for the fall. When his coronation is complete the RNC is going for a full frontal attack. He will not survive it...because..he is a CROOK and a FRAUD.

                        NOBAMA!!!

          • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/25/2008 10:11:56 AM

            summer...I do something you do not do. I look for sources of information...you like all the other Kool-Aide Kids...aka...obamamohammeds, just repeat the Hussein official mantras, without question or concern. You have been hoodwinked by a CROOK and a FRAUD.

            NOBAMA!!!

        • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/25/2008 8:46:10 AM

          If it is authentic...then, why the reluctance to make it available to anyone. FactCheck and Politico.com are as reliable as PMSNBC, MoveOn.commie and the DailyKooks. No there were many alterations. Don't be an ostrich, with your head in the sand. Do a little research. The posted C.O.L.B.s were not issued to Obama. TWO independent analyists have confirmed it. Corsi is about to drop the bomb.

          NOBAMA!!!

          • Posted By: raddave @ 08/25/2008 10:21:31 AM

            I do no my research on reliable sites, not ones with right-wing agendas.

            • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/25/2008 10:52:52 AM

              davieboy...your postings as a general rule do have basis. But they are as biased as mine. I may word my info with personal convictions, but they are always rooted in substance. This story has legs. It is being reported in MSM newspapers. Phillip Berg is a highly respected attny. Former Deputy Attny. Gen of the State of Pennsylvania. We will see.

              NOBAMA!!!

              • Posted By: raddave @ 08/25/2008 1:11:43 PM

                The Highly respected Phillip Berg? The 911 "truther" who filed a RICO lawsuit against Bush and who has been fined for ethics violations?

                • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/25/2008 1:39:34 PM

                  Former Deputy Attorney General for State of Pennsylvania??? former Chairperson dem Congress Mongomery Co.??? Candidate Gov. of Pennsylvania??? I think that is prominent enough for credibility. As I said...it is filed in Federal Court. Judge has been appointed (Clinton appointed...coincidence?) and answers will be given. Result??? We will see soon.

                  NOBAMA!!!

                  • Posted By: raddave @ 08/25/2008 2:25:34 PM

                    As proof that this lawsuit is without merit. Berg claims that Obama and his mother would have lost citizenship when she married Lolo Soetoro and relocated to Indonesia under the Nationality Act of 1940. In 1967, the Supreme Court ruled that a U.S. citizen could not be stipped of their citizenship without their consent. So merely marrying a foreign national and moving to Indonesia would not stip either of their citizenship. And also Berg says in his lawsuit that there are rumors on the internet that Soetoro adopted Obama, he doesn't even try to submit any facts on this claim.

                    • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/25/2008 3:44:24 PM

                      Like I said...we will wait and see. Something...one way or another will be settled pretty fast. I DO KNOW this. The RNC has been firing harmless warning shots over the bow. VERY soon after Hussein's coronation, you will see a full blown assault, on various fronts. Hussein will never withstand it. Personal attack dog, Biden will be angered into making things worse. He doesn't take mocking well at all. All that is necessary to make him flip out is....his multiple charges of plagiarism and questions about his Washington lobbyist son. His anger will overwhelm him. I am so looking forward to the next 30 days.

                      NOBAMA!!!

                      • Posted By: raddave @ 08/25/2008 6:00:30 PM

                        So am I.

                        • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/25/2008 6:30:01 PM

                          good...want you to know...I really enjoy debating with you...I don't have to dumb down...like I do with most Hussein supporters.

                          NOBAMA!!!

  • Posted By: loriw @ 08/25/2008 1:29:16 PM

    It is sad that Obama did not have better parents. Perhaps he would have developed a stronger moral code.
    Obama is a parent of 2 beautiful little girls...how is it that he could believe that it is at all tolerable to allow a baby to be allowed to linger until it dies alone in a cold, dirty utility room in a hospital or clinic following a botched late term abortion. How does Obama justify this? He stated in his own words that it is "to burdensome" for the abortionist to be required to call a doctor to give care to the LIVE infant. That is is also "too burdensome" to the mother> Following this thinking Obama does not think it is too burdensome for the infant to die a slow and lingering deatth.

    • Posted By: TheVigil @ 08/26/2008 8:53:22 PM

      This is another ugly smear, as I noted below. Obama opposed the Born-Alive Infant Protection Act not because he opposes born-alive infant protection but because the bill contained language that could have eventually been used to criminalize all abortion. There was already legislation in place at the time in Illinois to protect born-alive infants. The bill was a disguised attempt to subvert Roe v. Wade.

      I personally find the action of dragging an issue like this into the fray to demonize an opponent - and mischaracterizing it to boot - to be far worse than anything either candidate has said or done publicly. I do believe you're trying to stand up for your position and that you believe you have a right to your judgements, but the truth is that you're using these very unfortunate infants for political gain.

      I urge you to look more deeply into your motivations, because to me, it indicates that you're more concerned with politics than with real infant protection. You want to protect born-alive infants, then go support a bill to that effect that doesn't contain ambiguous language that could be used to overturn all pro-choice rights, and stop using the issue to demonize the politician you don't support.

    • Posted By: AskPlus @ 08/25/2008 7:12:46 PM

      People with more than one parent somehow seem to have little moral code too. Take Mr. McCain for instance. Doesn't he need a tweak here-and-there too?

    • Posted By: raddave @ 08/25/2008 7:04:21 PM

      Mediamatters.org debunks the Obama "infanticide" charges. http://mediamatters.org/items/200808220022?f=h_top

  • Posted By: loriw @ 08/23/2008 8:41:46 PM

    I don't understand why such attention is being paid to Obama's childhood. After all the man is now 47 years old. Alot if us had tough times growing up but, geez it's time to get over it already.

    • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 08/23/2008 10:21:32 PM

      It must be so HARD to finally have a presidential candidate worthy of respect and true admiration - we haven't had one for such a long time. Not even Clinton though he at least left us with a good economy and a huge budget surplus, to his infinite credit.

      Now that we have a really interesting, brilliant candidate who really has nothing terribly "wrong" with him, at least as far as the average runofthemill politicians go (he's a saint compared to the Bushes), you guys must really squeeze hard to find some pimples on his surface that you can rub grease on to get them to pop. Yecccchhh, why waste your time? He's a good guy, and so is Biden.

      Go get some Acne medicine for your own zits. And while you're at it, why don't you squeeze the two blackheads you're going to vote for -- McCain and Romney -- the two mega-millionaires who have the middle class so close to their black hearts? (yeah, right).

      • Posted By: loriw @ 08/24/2008 12:28:22 PM

        Sorry to burst your bubble but after I found out that Obama opposed the Born Alive Infants Protection Act he lost all respect from me. If he thinks it is OK to refuse care to an infant I wonder what his position is on care for the very elderly and the medically challenged disabled.

        • Posted By: TheVigil @ 08/26/2008 8:44:29 PM

          Just like the other abortion bill that Obama's getting slammed on, the Born Alive Infants Protection Act was an attempt to introduce language that could have eventually criminalized all abortion rather than a bill truly designed to protect born-alive infants. It was effectively an attempt to overturn Roe v. Wade disguised as a born-alive bill. There was already legislation in place in Illinois at the time that protected born-alive infants, and he opposed the bill because it was unnecessary and dishonest in its intent, not because he had an ideological dislike to it.

          Obama voted against this bill in order to protect Roe v. Wade, not in order to oppose born-alive infant protection. It's an ugly smear. Don't believe it.

        • Posted By: marksgershenson @ 08/24/2008 3:29:12 PM

          So is it okay to keep sending troops to die for oil? Is 4000 enough? How many more need to be sent for needless slaughter? How about thinking in those terms. Your a throwback to the 70's and 80's. Wow.

      • Posted By: busby @ 08/24/2008 8:02:38 AM

        Your answer to everyone who doesn't walk lock step with you is name calling and insults. Where were you educated if at all? Some of us don't like Obama, some of us don't think he has the right amount of humility and communitee conscience to be a good president and some of us don't think he'll do a good job for this country and some of us (gasp, gasp) don't get all hysterical with joy when he picks a veep who can "teach" him on the job.

        • Posted By: Braes @ 08/24/2008 9:06:08 AM

          I know, you want a senile old cancer patient with a liquor fortune to keep perpetual war, and corporate/fascist control. Not an attractive Brand attribute set there, GOP.

          • Posted By: loriw @ 08/24/2008 12:29:46 PM

            I don't want a baby killer for POTUS either.

            • Posted By: marksgershenson @ 08/24/2008 3:23:52 PM

              But you would rather have a killer who sends 4000 plus troops to a needless slaughter for oil. Where are their rights as humans? How many more have to die?

              • Posted By: Midwestmom @ 08/25/2008 1:52:28 PM

                In case you haven't noticed, we don't have a military draft anymore. That means that all of the men and women being sent to Iraq signed up voluntarily. - Many even re-enlist for multiple tours of duty. Don't disrespect the people who work to keep you free to post your rants because of your personal political bias.

            • Posted By: unfair&unbalanced @ 08/24/2008 3:03:41 PM

              Hmmm....so you're opposed to electing a "baby killer" POTUS. Did you vote for and support another supposed "baby killer" who, as Governor of California, passed legislation that legalized abortion? I believe that his name was RONALD WILSON REAGAN.

          • Posted By: mittens @ 08/24/2008 1:42:58 PM

            Keep in mind like the Donner party, the democrats eat their own,.

      • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 08/24/2008 10:15:07 AM

        Obama brilliant? haha you must be the dumbest person on Earth if you believe that!

        We may not be technically in a recession but soon will be and there will be another 1 to 3 million jobs lost due to housing and banking blow ups. YOU DO NOT RAISE TAXES at a time like this. Economics 101 and thats why 80% of economists surveyed believe in Mc Cain's plan for the economy.

        Obama is just a socialist who wants to redistribute wealth BUT he himself won't even give money to his brother George in Kenya who lives on only $1 a day! He's a hypocrite and already has broken most of his promises, threw Hillary supporters under the bus and has NO EXPERIENCE. You don't pick a VP who is going to give you ON THE JOB TRAINING for the most important job in the world! Obama voters = COMPLETE MORONS!

        • Posted By: marksgershenson @ 08/24/2008 3:26:17 PM

          You think you are hot sh!t with your remarks; the reality is your nothing but cold diarrhea. I am sure you like sarcasim, so have a taste of your own shmuck.

        • Posted By: Manta ray @ 08/24/2008 10:53:04 AM

          Careerdaytrader, You really are one truly uneducated American breezing through life in blissful ignorance. What experience did George have before he became President? Being the alcoholic spoilt idiot son of an oil buccaneer? Get an education, fool, before you shout from the rooftops. Can you point out Iraq on the map, or even New York?

    • Posted By: Galasso @ 08/23/2008 9:25:15 PM

      Well said. It appears that he had an interesting life but the article also reads like the authors are reporting on some newly discovered book from the New Testament. You are most correct. There are many of us out here who had worse lives and not as many benefactors as he had during the formative years. Newsweek is a real piece of work. The Obama story is unique but what will win the election is his revelations about what he will do as President, and not what he has experienced in the past.

      • Posted By: notroubleatall1963 @ 08/23/2008 10:17:53 PM

        Well considering he's relatively new on the presidential circuit, I guess it's quite helpful to read a summary of some his book, which I haven't read yet. Why begrudge people their right to know - you're free to read through an article or not - you don't have to read it - nobody's holding a gun to your head forcing you!!!

        Why do you right-wing nuts (or Hillary supporters who claim to be Democrats but who, in reality, are GOPPers) keep calling Obama "the Messiah" and referring to biblical episodes and "the New Testament"? Are you really so uncomfortable with the guy? He's just a man who is running for President, he's not coming to save the earth. If you think that about him, then perhaps it's your reality. But for most of us, we're just hoping for a positive change back into the direction America should be heading - and away from the McCrass Class of Bourgeois Bigot Millionaires who've been RUINING our country for the past 8 years.

        Anything would be better than Bush or McBush. What a pity for McCain he "owed" the Bushes something - he has had to kow-tow to them so much he's hardly the same person he used to be 8 years ago. If he were more like himself, I'd consider voting for him - but he's so much like Bushes now it's just awful. You all must be pretty worried that he'll lose this Fall.... God, I hope he does, I couldn't STAND another four years of this crap.

        • Posted By: loriw @ 08/24/2008 12:47:34 AM

          new on the political cycle? This unending campaign is already over 18 months to date. But you are right there are things that people have yet to learn about the candidates...like me, I just learned about Obama's position on allowing babies who survived botched abortions to be refused medical treatment even when viable. That one was a deal breaker for me.
          McCain- the next POTUS

          • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/25/2008 3:06:34 PM

            The Next Smear Against Obama: "Infanticide"


            "Unlike Obama in Illinois, Sen. Hillary Clinton voted to support the [2002 federal] bill," Hudson wrote earlier this year. "In fact, the bill passed the Senate 98 to 0 with pro-abortion senators like Boxer (D-CA) and Reid (D-NV) supporting it. In 2003, the bill was introduced in the Illinois legislature for the third time and directed to a committee chaired by Obama, Health and Human Services. They refused to bring the bill to a vote. Only when Obama left for Washington in 2005 did the Born Alive Infant Protection Act pass the Illinois legislature. It's for good reason Barack Obama has been called 'the most pro-abortion presidential candidate ever.'"

            One significant problem with Hudson's logic is that it requires comparing apples to oranges. The Illinois and federal bills differed not only in language, but regulatory impact. Critically, the Illinois version of the bill that Obama opposed was also bundled with other proposals that would have put doctors at risk of prosecution, which led the Illinois State Medical Society to oppose the measure along with Obama. The state bill also carried greater influence in terms of enforcement, since states had been granted greater leeway in regulating abortion practices ever since the U.S. Supreme Court's 1992 ruling in the case of Planned Parenthood v. Casey.

            Illinois State Representative Rosemary Mulligan sighed when the Huffington Post told her about the "infanticide" claim currently being leveled at Obama. As a pro-choice Republican who is supporting John McCain for president but also worked with Obama back in 2001, she described the first Illinois version of the Born Alive legislation as "a very onerous bill," adding that "I think that the hardcore, hard right conservative Catholics overreach on this one."

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            Something else Deal Hudson fails to note in his critique of Obama is the fact that the 2005 version of the state bill, which passed, was a compromise bill free of any other measures Obama had previously opposed. Had he been there to vote for it, he may well have done so. Specifically addressing his onetime concern over the impact of a re-definition of what "born alive" could be interpreted to mean, the 2005 measure that passed after Obama left Springfield included three new clauses that read:

            (c) Nothing in this Section shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand, or contract any legal status or legal right applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being born alive, as defined in this Section.
            (d) Nothing in this Section shall be construed to affect existing federal or State law regarding abortion.

            (e) Nothing in this Section shall be construed to alter generally accepted medical standards.

            link to entire article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/04/the-next-smear-against-ob_n_116891.html

          • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 08/24/2008 10:19:03 AM

            Yeah total BS that he is new on the scene. Democrats have been urging him to run since his 2004 Democratic speech. Note he won BOTH of his Chicago seat and Senate seats on technicalities and dirty back handed ways, CNN story on both candidates this last week showed that. He is immoral!

            • Posted By: EKS25 @ 08/25/2008 4:10:26 AM

              Yes, and? The media loves him and that's what counts.. they gave us Bush in 2000, they were infatuated with him then, now at last they found a new love and they are promoting Obama like crazy. The whole magazine reads like an Obama commercial.

          • Posted By: Braes @ 08/24/2008 9:07:32 AM

            Person On Tranquilizers Under Sedation?
            As Obama is sworn in? Will he eat his tie like Saakashvili?

    • Posted By: EKS25 @ 08/25/2008 4:15:49 AM

      Because he wrote a book about it, and at least we can assume that part of it is true. Otherwise there is hardly any record what he did and it is hard to write articles about that. How much can you write about his present votes? We can't talk about his church, his nonexistent work in the Senate , so what is left?

  • Posted By: Braes @ 08/24/2008 9:03:28 AM

    I think this is where the GOP bloggers have gone to hide. They have been crushed elsewhere.
    This whole Bush thing has not panned out for the GOP.
    Maybe if you sent Larry Craig back into Airports for some outreach?
    McCain spends over a quarter of a million a year on Servants? Doesn't know how many houses he and the trophy wife own with that Liquor and Beer empire? He has two homes described as "servant's quarters?" Keating 5 conspirator? Found religion as a crusader against wste AFTER getting Arizona water from the Colorado, greatly increasing his land value? Come on...
    Who is the Elitist?

    • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 08/24/2008 10:03:24 AM

      Democrats are DESPERATE to bring up how many houses Mc Cain's WIFE has. She has many inside trusts and under various corporations. If you had any IDEA how complex many rich people's lives were in how they structure their business affairs you'd be shocked. Being a typical poor, idiot Democrat you don't know and thus just can't grasp how Mc Cain doesn't know. They live in only 3 or 4 of the houses and the rest family members of hers live in and he hasn't even been to them all. I'm GLAD he doesn't know, it proves he isn't an arrogant Rich A$$hole and he is instead doing his job in the Senate and running for President. At least their houses were obtained LEGALLY unlike Obama in his shady back room deal with Rezko where he not only received the down payment under the table he also promised to write a letter approving Rezko's $14 million housing deal. Let's not even bring up Saddam Hussein's money launderer and how Obama was paid to vote and speak out against the war! It will come out probably a week before the election.

      • Posted By: TheVigil @ 08/24/2008 4:49:19 PM

        I plan to vote Democratic, and have two grandfathers who are both multimillionaires. I'm well aware of the financial complexities of having a fortune. But I can assure you both of them are well aware of the extent of their property holdings.

        I personally don't care how many houses the McCains have. The issue really is whether or not the very rich can truly understand the hardships of the very poor - and it's a question with both candidates - but more so with McCain, who's not really had to experience poverty to any extent in his life. With a good portion of the country so poor that some people are burning their furniture as fuel, it'd say it's a very pressing concern.

        And you're free to think of people whatever you want. I'm taking the attitude "what other people think of me is none of my business". But you also should realize that just because you call "us" poor - or idiots - or any of the other absurd things you've said on a dozen threads at this point - it doesn't mean you've convinced anyone or that there's any truth to what you're saying.

        • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 08/25/2008 11:49:20 AM

          Here's an idea to ELIMINATE poverty! Why don't people who have absolutely NO money, are lacking in intelligence and education NOT HAVE KIDS. Why is it the poor have so many kids yet educated middle and upper class citizens often have only 1 or 2 kids?

          Poverty would SLOW dramatically if people who can't even take care of themselves and have no clue how to improve THEIR lives would just stop HAVING KIDS. If they can't afford it, why should WE as America support them and their kids? Some Liberal please answer this!

          • Posted By: TheVigil @ 08/26/2008 4:45:46 PM

            Also, a drop in the size of the lowest-income labor market would effectively reduce the supply of labor, which drives up the price of worker salaries through moving the supply curve, as I hope you're aware. This in turn would drive up the prices of goods and services that depend on these salaries (which are many), effectively reducing the Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) of everyone in the economy except the poor. To put it bluntly, your effective net wealth would dramatically increase because it would buy less. You might not see much of this at the start because the supply market for poor laborers is *way* over the maximum, so to speak, and we have a capped minimum wage in this country, but eventually if you go far enough with the principle you'll see this effect.

            I'd personally love to see it happen and equalize the economy a bit, but it's not likely to. But something tells me this isn't a desirable effect for you, and it doesn't seem you're that familiar with PPP. Your posts betray an understanding of MICROeconomic principles but not MACROeconomic ones, and only the two together make up a true understanding of economics. They're usually taught concurrently in most introductory economic curricula.

            This country's wealth has always been founded on cheap labor. To suggest otherwise is ignorant of the economic history of the United States.

            • Posted By: TheVigil @ 08/26/2008 6:39:26 PM

              Sorry, that should have been "your effective net wealth would dramatically DECREASE". I'm writing too much lately, slipping some words here and there..

          • Posted By: TheVigil @ 08/26/2008 4:30:38 PM

            Because the poor frequently don't understand or believe in birth control. Birth control and family planning are hallmarks of an educated society. There's also an intensely religious factor as many Christians and Catholics are unconditionally opposed to any form of birth control; should you wish to make a difference on this issue I urge you to advocate support of birth control by Catholic and fundamentalist Christian denomination churches.

            I do note that you're advocating policies that more or less fall under the category of "eugenics". I'm personally fine with people who oppose any and all welfare policies, though I personally disagree, but I draw the line at population-control laws at present, especially those based on economic status. There are plenty of people who are well-off who contribute next to nothing to the economy in terms of real economic goods or services, like you and your company. (This person has conveyed to us that he runs a company that creates software designed to aid day traders.) And there are plenty of poor people doing the actual physical work that gets goods to market at exceptionally low cost to the rest of society - one thing we could do to ease poverty would be to reduce astronomical CEO salaries and pass some of that money on to the poorest workers in any given company. My grandfather, who built himself up from a construction worker at the bottom of the heap to a multimillionaire building contractor through nothing but his own determination, personally believes that the highest-paid employee of a company should make no more than ten times the salary of the lowest paid worker; I'd personally raise the multiplier to 20 but I fundamentally agree with the principle.

            As a counter-proposal I would argue that we could pass a law requiring all stock trades to persist for a period of at least one day. I have every faith that you'll argue the merits of day trading as a leading indicator of future stock prices or whatnot, but there's plenty of that in the market already without day trading. The reality is that day trading is a form of stock trading that seeks to profit from incremental stock changes and remove money from the system without having contributed any kind of real economic benefit to the companies "invested" in. No company can do anything worthwhile with a change in valuation that lasts half an hour. To put it bluntly, day trading is an utterly parasitic activity to the market as a whole and fundamentally contributes to the kind of instability that causes panics and stock crashes.

            I have every faith that you'll do your best to insult me and demean me as usual, but this post isn't really for you - it's for the educational benefit of anyone else who might be reading.

      • Posted By: Toutatis @ 08/24/2008 10:55:07 AM

        Very funny. You must have Jay Leno writing your lines for you. You also don't have much of a memory. It was only 4 years ago that Rush Limpbrow was making immense fun of Kerry for having married a rich wife and Joseph Farah wrote "President Gigilo" and Ann Coulter called him a "kept man". Now that they all fit even more so to McCain than they did to Kerry, I can see how you are desperate to change the subject. One TThere is one big differewnce

        • Posted By: TheVigil @ 08/26/2008 4:51:25 PM

          I supported Kerry, but only really as an alternative to Bush. I never implied that he was terribly good at speaking for the poor and I didn't support him nearly as much as I do Obama. I would have never implied that he had the kind of experience with having a low income that Obama did in his early days; I believe Kerry is the scion of a wealthy family as well, if I'm not mistaken.

          To put it bluntly, you want to dislike me more than you're actually interested in hearing my position. That means you're not really engaging in this debate, just looking for ways to demean and disparage me. How can you actually debate me when you're arguing to a different position than the one that I actually have?

      • Posted By: OBWan @ 08/24/2008 2:12:09 PM

        careerdaytrader - and you know this how?

    • Posted By: loriw @ 08/24/2008 12:22:56 PM

      How many step siblings does Obama have and how many are living in abject poverty? How much assistance does Obama provide to them? Does he send them money for education or medical care?
      I seriously doubt McCain calls them "Servants" but I bet he pays ever single one of them a fair wage.

      • Posted By: mittens @ 08/24/2008 1:59:23 PM

        what a dreamer you are. Been watching too many "news Magazines".

        • Posted By: loriw @ 08/24/2008 10:49:09 PM

          mittens, i'm glad you clarified below, wasn't sure how to take the comment at first.
          Obama quoted in the Warren forum the Bible verse "whatever you do for the least of my brothers...." and Obama has the AUDACITY to quote this from the BIBLE in front of Pastor Warren and the American people while knowing full well he has blood relatives living in abject poverty yet does nothing for them . Obama has the AUDACITY to quote the BIBLE for his own purposes but when here in IN for the primary he insulted us by saying we cling to our religion and our guns. I don't own a gun but at least I attempt to actually live my life according to God's word!

      • Posted By: mittens @ 08/24/2008 1:46:44 PM

        what a dreamer you are. Been watching too many "news Magazines".

        • Posted By: mittens @ 08/24/2008 2:02:40 PM

          Obama won't even send his half brother a 20 dollar bill! The guy lives on 12.00 a year! (Now I belive Sally the overweight one saving the children ad.) Just pennies a day! Obama and Michelle can't bring on the cash for his half siblings and there are many his father didn't care for birth control

    • Posted By: mittens @ 08/24/2008 1:52:52 PM

      Enter Your CommentHalf of America doesn't know this man is a racist. they vote some of them, but refuse to educate themselves on the candidate and blinding mark their ballots. if the Jewish community especially in florida doesn't see this then we will know they are senile.

  • Posted By: obamabiden08 @ 08/24/2008 12:07:06 AM

    GUY0506: .Out of your ignorant statement, comes some truth.Yes. some of us white people, are part of the problem, it was white people who tore Africans from their homes and made them slavesand broke up families. , it was white people who turned fire hoses on people in the 60's and it was white people who killed civil rights workers in Mississippi. And its ignorant white people like you, who continue prejudice. And for the last 200 years. its been a white man as President, The current white president we have , cant even speak english properly !
    Im not very proud of my "whitey" race sometimes, so yes, it is our fault !
    BUT: having an itelligent black man who graduated Harvard Law School, who is smart enough to pick someone older and more experienced as his VP, even if he is white,is brilliant ! .

    • Posted By: loriw @ 08/24/2008 12:53:56 AM

      Obama must like whitey
      because he picked Biden
      who is the same OLD, WHITE, Washington politician that
      I thought Obama was going to CHANGE.

      • Posted By: TheVigil @ 08/26/2008 6:38:21 PM

        I'm not a particular fan of Biden. He created the Drug Czar position and he's escalated that particular "war" quite a bit. He also escalated the Iraq War, though he does advocate the three-state solution I've been wanting for years for that failed state.

        That being said, discriminating against Biden based on race and age is a terrible thing to do, just the same way it is against McCain. This election needs to be about principles more than about age or race.

        Biden's pick is a move to shore up Obama's national security credentials and experience credentials and to bring more "centrist" views to the campaign, nothing more or less. He's not my favorite choice and I'd much rather not have had him in that spot, but I understand why it was done.

      • Posted By: Braes @ 08/24/2008 9:03:52 AM

        Ewwwwww a Bigot!

    • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 08/24/2008 10:09:22 AM

      Tooo funny. So you're saying that because our ancestors, people we didn't even KNOW had slaves that we should right that wrong by picking the BIGGEST IDIOT with the LEAST EXPERIENCE to ever run for President! I'm not a racist, I just think Obama is a moron, his policies will doom America and how can he ask the rich to pay more taxes to cover even more of the poor and middle classes shares when he himself will not even give money to his poor family in Kenya who lives on $1 a day! Obama is a hypocrite who has already broken a ton of promises he's made to his base!

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/23/2008 11:33:09 PM

    Transcript for new Hussein ad...Hussein camp threatening stations if they run it. This is soooo FUNNY....

    Beyond the speeches, how much do you know about Barack Obama?

    What does he really believe?


    Consider this:

    United 93 never hit the Capitol on 9/11.

    But the Capitol was bombed thirty years before -

    By an American terrorist group called Weather Underground that declared 'war' on the U.S. -

    Targeting the Capitol, the Pentagon, police stations and more.

    One of the group's leaders, William Ayers, admits to the bombings, proudly saying later:

    'We didn't do enough.'

    Some members of the group Ayers founded even went on to kill police.


    But Barack Obama is friends with Ayers, defending him as, quote,

    'Respectable' and 'Mainstream.'

    Obama's political career was launched in Ayers' home.

    And the two served together on a left-wing board.


    Why would Barack Obama be friends with someone who bombed the Capitol...and is proud of it?

    Do you know enough to elect Barack Obama?


    American Issues Project is responsible for the content of this ad.

    Just someone who lives in his neighborhood??? SURE.

    NOBAMA!!!

    • Posted By: TheVigil @ 08/26/2008 6:29:57 PM

      As usual, you've picked only the facts that support your argument.

      Ayers has somewhat repudiated his position on terrorist action, and I'd offer the following quote from him in a letter to the Chicago Tribune:

      "I condemn all forms of terrorism--individual, group and official...Today we are witnessing crimes against humanity on our own shores on an unthinkable scale, and I fear that we may soon see more innocent people in other parts of the world dying in response."

      It's true that he doesn't necessarily regret all of his actions. The following is a quote from him on the rationale of the Weathermen: "The reason we were terrorists is because we (the United States) did commit random acts of terror against people. Terrorism was what was being practiced in the countryside of Vietnam by the United States."

      I don't personally condone the Weathermen or what they did. Two wrongs don't make a right. But it is worth pointing out that it's now known that warning shots were fired by the USS Maddox in the Gulf of Tonkin "incident" before any attack by the North Vietnamese boat, and that the second attack actually never happened. There were a lot of wrongs committed in that era, and Ayers was only a part of the picture.

      As far as Obama's supposed "friendship" with Ayers, that's a horrid mischaracterization. They served together on some social action boards in Chicago and had a relationship based on that. Here's a quote from the Obama-Ayers controversy article on Wikipedia:

      Chicagoan Maria Warren wrote in 2005 on her Musings & Migraines blog: "When I first met Barack Obama, he was giving a standard, innocuous little talk in the livingroom of those two legends-in-their-own-minds, Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn. They were launching him ??? introducing him to the Hyde Park community as the best thing since sliced bread."[8]Ben Smith at Politico.com reported this over three years later.[9] Warren then criticized Smith for quoting her "grossly out of context" in his attempt "to paint Barack Obama as a closet leftwing radical".[10][11]"

      And finally, for all Ayers' failings (and they are somewhat grave), he's now a Distinguished Professor at U. of Illinois and spends a lot of his time on anti-poverty and other social justice boards.

      It would be nice if you occasionally presented a balanced picture, Roller.

    • Posted By: Braes @ 08/24/2008 9:08:53 AM

      3 republicans meeting in public? Parole Violation.

  • Posted By: raynetherwood @ 08/26/2008 6:13:43 PM

    Guess he must have learned honesty and personal integrity?????

    Obama doesn???t deserve to be standing behind a podium in Denver, he deserves to be answering to a Senate Ethics Committee (at the very least) or be behind bars.

    Does ???Change we can believe in??? include influence peddling? How many Middle Class or Lower Income Americans have had ???a friend???s wife??? buy property next to the house they were buying so that the deal could close ??? and then have the friend???s wife sell a portion of that property to them?

    The answer is undoubtedly ???NONE??? -- but, Americans are supposed to swallow freshly-convicted felon Tony Resco???s ???helping??? Obama buy his $1.6 million dollar mansion? And, Resco???s wife politely selling off a portion of the property she purchased simply had to be an act of what ???. Kindness? Please, this is sleazy Chicago-land politics at its finest.

    Resco contributed to Obama???s campaigns ??? was a friend/advisor ??? and Resco did benefit from their relationship -- and the notion that some future quid pro quo wouldn???t be expected is DELUSIONAL!!

    A crook putting a plagiarist on the ticket would seem to be par for the course. Democrats should be outraged ??? the Pastor Wright debacle showed us who Obama really is. The fact that many voters and states had gone to Obama before the Wright revelations is a conundrum. Had the Wright disgrace been out before the primaries started, Hillary Clinton would be the party???s nominee.

    And, imagine if one of the Republican presidential candidates had done this ???bone-headed??? thing (Obama???s description of his illegal/questionable behavior), that person would have had to resign or have been run out of town pronto!

    I voted for Bill Clinton twice. This year, this former Democrat is voting for ethical behavior, personal integrity, proven leadership, and sound judgment.

    Thank you John McCain.

  • Posted By: osamaobama jr @ 08/24/2008 10:42:02 PM

    lol.....I can't imagine Americans voting for this mulatto muzzie......now I see where the DEMOCRATS get their reputation as being ANTI-U.S.A..

    • Posted By: star3 @ 08/24/2008 11:28:24 PM

      Jr., I am Republican, and not an Obama fan, but your referring to him as a "mulatto muzzie" is un-called for. That kind of thing is exactly what keeps the racist element going. Its not his ethnic culture that we object to, but his politics. We really do not care if he is part white, black, purple or an alien from Mars, but we do care about his policies and his plans for our country---that and that alone are Republican concerns. Personally, I just do not think he is ready to be president; I don't think he fully understands what is needed right now. Also, he is much too contradictary in his speeches. Given a prompt to read from, he doesn't do too bad, but left on his own to field questions, he seems to appear confused, and resorts to comments that don't have much substance. McCain was not my first choice for our party, but after hearing him speak a few times, he sounds, to me, at least, to be the more qualified, and should he be given a chance, I believe he will try to fulfill his promises. I am counting on the American voters to use common sense at the polls, and base their vote on honest belief in the candidate, and not on biased reasons that have no validity.

      • Posted By: summer4077 @ 08/25/2008 8:56:41 AM

        Star3, I commend you on actually taking a look at the views of each candidate and making an INFORMED decision. Race may not be an issue to you, but I've heard people all over my city talking about Obama. Some are happy that a black man has a shot at office, some are dismayed at it. But the point is, I keep hearing 'black man' over and over, regardless of whether the reviews are positive or negative. You don't hear 'white man' in reference to McCain. So yes, for many it IS a race issue. Again, you are in the right frame of mind by actually looking at the candidates. Many don't. Many will vote for McCain b/c he's white, and many will vote for Obama b/c he's black.

        • Posted By: TheVigil @ 08/26/2008 6:13:40 PM

          Ditto. Please accept my commendations on a wonderful comment, star3.

  • Posted By: ICYEYES800 @ 08/24/2008 9:38:00 PM

    Republicans across this nation are dancing in the streets, Osama failed again to secure the Presidency..by IGNORING Hillary, who was and is the ONLY choice he could have made and come out a winner...he is way too prideful and full of himself...SO, HE killed his own chances....He chose the poision..so be it...HE never ceases to amaze, when you think he'll make the ONLY REASONABLE choice....This dude, definitely does not deserve to be president, he just can't seem to LEARN from past mistakes....Loved the DOOZIES..."BIDEN will make a wonderful President"..now that may be the FIRST honest thing O's said since the beginning of this political season..Then Biden couldn't remember Barry's name, so he's been dubbed Captain America...YOU GOTTA LOVE the fact that neither of them knows WHO IS ON FIRST?????

    • Posted By: bigair199 @ 08/24/2008 9:49:22 PM

      Maybe you should stick your head in an oven, thaw out those eye's and see what your shoveling! Hillary lost and you people still can't get over it. You can delude yourself all you want but when you finally come to realize what's going on hopefully you will vote based on policy. Just remember this, if by chance Obama loses and it fall's on the shoulder's of all the Hillary supporter's that voted for McCain then you can pretty much kiss any chance of her running for office good-bye! Remember that it's a 2-way street and be careful of the toe's you step on today because they could be connected to the a** you will be kissing tomorrow!

      • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/24/2008 10:05:04 PM

        Clinton did not lose. She was cheated. The caucuses were all strong armed. There is ample eyewitness proof. People were bullied, threatened, and locked out. Many were told their names were not on the registration lists, and they had went to the wrong district.

        It is like everything with Hussein....FRAUDULENT.


        NOBAMA!!!

        • Posted By: TheVigil @ 08/26/2008 6:12:46 PM

          Clinton shot herself in the foot. She blew all her campaign money *twice* and still claimed she was a better economic leader than her opponents, she took every chance she could to disparage competitors, and really stepped in it by the end by suggesting that she was a better candidate than Obama because "we all remember Robert Kennedy", implying that no one controversial should ever run for office. In the end, Hillary's campaign was all about Hillary, and she has no one to blame but herself for the loss of her candidacy.

        • Posted By: bigair199 @ 08/24/2008 10:34:14 PM

          HolyRoller, I am in the hopes that someday you will put something on here that doesn't involve you crying about something. Let's lay out just a FEW of the thing's that cost Hillary any chances of winning:
          1. She didn't have a plan for after Feb. 5th! She is so full of herself that she just knew that she would have it wrapped up by then and when Feb. 5th came and went she had no idea what to do.
          2. She was very wasteful and did an extremely poor job of managing her campaign. If you asked I bet you Hillary herself couldn't tell you who was in charge!
          3. She let Bill open his mouth! Enough said!
          You Hillary supporter's can believe all the b.s. you want and pass the blame all day long, but when it's all said and done she lost! For every reason you can think of that wasn't her fault there is an equal reason it was her fault. She can't even manage her campaign so why would anyone want her running the country? If she would have won the Republican's would have had a field day with her past and all the shady deal's her and Bill have been involved in. As far as people going to the wrong district, I don't know if you have noticed but there are a record number of people turning out to vote this time and a lot of people haven't voted in YEAR'S and don't know where the were supposed to go to vote! Think about all the people who have forgot how the process work's. I would say that problem worked equally for her as it did against her!

          • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/24/2008 10:58:16 PM

            I AM a Republican. I am also an AMERICAN. Voter fraud and strong-armed elections have no place in this Republic. Hussein is a CROOK. Hussein is a FRAUD. Hussein is a self absorbed idiot, who knows no boundaries when it comes to his self worth.

            His defense of tossing babies in the trash, to insure their death, is proof of his shallow values and lack of humanity.

            NOBAMA!!!

            • Posted By: Cazador1972 @ 08/24/2008 11:45:58 PM


              I love it how conservatives blame THEIR faults on other people!

              Let me see, who in the last eight years has been responsible for voter fraud, disenfranchising, and having Karl Rove direct the Republican Committee in New Hampshire misinform Democratic precinct voters telling them the wrong place to vote (using a White House phone!)? Hmmm...

              You can tell what a conservative is guilty of by what they blame other people for. Never fails.

              • Posted By: star3 @ 08/25/2008 1:33:50 AM

                Caz, conservatives don't have faults' if you don't believe it, just ask us. I once thought I had a fault, but then found out I was mistaken, and it was actually a virture. A fault is a crack in the earth which causes earthquakes. Conservatives are perfect, we polish our halos everyday, and our honesty is world famous...why, our noses haven't grown a smidgen of an inch since...since...Pinocchio, but we kicked him out, he had such a wooden brain, anyway. Last we heard, he was hanging around with a guy named Obama---or, wait a minute, now that I think of it, I remember hearing that he changed his name to Obama...yeah, that was it. Oh, well, hes someone elses problem now, so we never think of him anymore, as he is no longer a smear on our perfection record....tah tah, time for my perfect lunch with my perfect family, then its off to our perfect bank to count our perfect money...'cause as you know ALL conservatives are wallowing in wealth---wouldn't have it any other way! That wouldn't be perfect. Now, Caz, do you get a feel for how ridiculeous some of your comments sound?

                • Posted By: TheVigil @ 08/26/2008 6:09:51 PM

                  I "remember hearing" that at one point people thought that the moon was made out of green cheese, that the Earth was flat, and that if you went too far in any direction you'd fall off the edge. Just because people believe it doesn't make it true.

                  And as far as your notion that you don't have faults, you're mistaken. Everyone does. Jesus of Nazareth said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone", and thereby saved Mary Magdalene's life - because the crowd realized that they were all sinners as well in one way or another and shouldn't judge. (I do occasionally have trouble believing this story given the number of people at any one time who think they don't sin in the slightest.) We all have faults, we all sin, and it's on each one of us to recognize those sins and work towards a better future.

                  I remember hearing a story (might be true, might not) about a veteran Air Force psychologist who was fond of asking young prospective fighter pilots if they were afraid of anything. If the answer was "No", this psychologist would recommend against this person's becoming a pilot - because flying a jet fighter recklessly at many times the speed of sound can kill you. This psychologist, if the story is true, apparently felt that pilots should have a healthy fear of and respect for the air and the things they faced, and that they should *remember* that fear and use it to avoid rash flying. It's the same for all of us and our faults. We do need to be aware of them, recognize our tendencies towards them, and be aware of the dangers they can cause, so that we can all work on overcoming them.

            • Posted By: bigair199 @ 08/24/2008 11:23:10 PM

              Whatever help's you sleep at night HolyRoller. You Republican's have driven this country in the ground and are somehow proud of it. Your beloved George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Karl Rove are the king's of fraud and the simple fact that you support that kind of behavior show's you have no interest in what the Constitution stand's for. Bill and Hillary Clinto are CROOKS, FRAUD'S and self-absorbed idiot's who know no boudries to their own self worth. She actually thought she deserved it more and shouldn't have had to work as hard for it which is very apparent in the way she ran her campaign! The only hint of any voter fraud that you are crying about was in Vegas and that was coming from the Clinto campaign. They were actually all for the situation in Vegas until it didn't work out in their favor. Quit being a hypocrit and making up stuff just so it makes you feel better about her losing. You should realize by now that Republican's will say anything to keep from having to own up to anything. It's alway's the other person's fault for their failure's, just ask the current White House Administration.

          • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/25/2008 12:11:37 AM


            Yeah, and with all that hindering her as you say Obama just peeped by to win the Primaries by one-tenth of a percent with 18million people who wanted her as POTUS. And that was with the ongoing bias support for Obama and constant attacks by the MSM and the DNC .on Hillary. How she survived that h*ll I dont know. To top it off, Obama said nothing when the MSM habitually said sexist things about her over and over or just viciously lashed at her (IT CRIES?).

            NEWSMAX.com
            Report: Networks Gave Obama the Nomination
            Wednesday, August 20, 2008 3:27 PM
            By: Jim Meyers

            MEDIA RESEARCH CENTER STUDY of the Big Three TV networks coverage (ABC, CBS and NBC ) of Barack Obama shows that their FAVORABLE SPIN ON THE DEMOCRAT GAVE HIM HIS MARGIN OF VICTORY IN THE PRIMARIES, according to MRC president Brent Bozell.


            http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/networks_obama_nomination/2008/08/20/123794.html

            You tell me if you saw if the media attack Obama to the level they did to Hillary. It was disgusting what the MSM did to her and her campaign run.

            Watch these videos if you dare. No matter how much you or others dislike (hate?) Hillary you cannot deny after looking what is under these links that it was the DNC and MSM who caused her loss in the primaries.


            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcdnlNZg2iM

            http://www.youtube.com/user/ShutTheFreudUp

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1whezcwSrQE

            HILLARY SUPPORTERS or those that were her supporters, click on the above links and remember how strong a lady she was to put up with all of the b*llsh*t she had to deal with right up to the very last primary, and to lose by 1/10 of a percent taking all of that into consideration. Obama never would have won without the DNC and the MSM being the wind beneath his wings.


        • Posted By: star3 @ 08/25/2008 1:11:19 AM

          HR, or maybe they were still dead in the cemetary and didn't make it to the polls in time.

          • Posted By: EKS25 @ 08/25/2008 3:51:11 AM

            You are right:
            http://wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/video/index.htm

      • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/24/2008 11:39:46 PM


        Hillary Supporters:

        21% will vote for McCain

        27% are Undecided

        52% moved over to vote for Obama in the Fall G.E.'

        Sidenote: Then there is the Bradley Effect to throw into the above mix (like what happened in New Hampshire in the primaries). There are also those who moved over to Obama and then back again after learning more about this man.

        I dont know. Obamas pick for VP is not sitting well with them I hear, although given Hillary wasnt on his short list at all I thought Biden probably was the better of the bunch for a pick . Then today they are tied 45 and 45 in the polls.

        I dont know. I think people are finally starting to see who Obama really is and not liking it much.

        • Posted By: star3 @ 08/25/2008 1:08:51 AM

          Sharenews, I think you are absolutely correct that people are beginning to take a second and a third look at Obama and are starting to wonder if he is who they thought he was. But its hard for them to admit that they have been deceived, so are trying, despertly, to hang on to the dream. They had better be very sure of what they are voting for once they reach the ballot box; its better to have been fooled for only a brief time, than to turn your life over to someone who may spend the next four to eight years ruining it; better to admit a mistake and be thankful they found out in time to prevent a bigger mistake.

          • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/25/2008 3:38:10 AM



            Very well stated, Star3!!

  • Posted By: raynetherwood @ 08/26/2008 6:12:29 PM

    Gee, looks like he learned how to peddle political influence. Anybody out there have help from "a friend" in buying your $1.6M mansion??? Or, he must have learned honesty. Anybody out there remember "I will accept public financing for my campaign"? What a guy!!!

  • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/26/2008 5:28:13 PM

    Gallup Daily: No Bounce for Obama in Post-Biden Tracking
    McCain creeps ahead, 46% to 44%

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/109834/Gallup-Daily-Bounce-Obama-Post-Biden-Tracking.aspx

  • Posted By: Red Meat Democrat @ 08/24/2008 12:16:59 PM

    Obama Biden - Osama Bin Laden

    • Posted By: TheVigil @ 08/24/2008 5:07:06 PM

      Sooooo...

      McCain - Cain (from the Bible), who slew his brother? A Scottish version perhaps?

      Cindy - Sinner?

      Bear in mind that this is all nonsense, both your post and what I just posted above. Both candidates have demonstrated a degree of integrity and deserve to run a worthy race without any of this linguistic garbage.

      • Posted By: star3 @ 08/24/2008 6:55:52 PM

        Vigil, ever tried walking on water? You should try it sometime, has an amazing humbling effect on a person. Really helps one appreciate the frailties of being human. Soooo.....whats in a name----? Nothing, except that its the first gift your parent's ave you, so cherish it. Although I admit I have heard some names that a child might be justified in suing their parents for sticking them with such a pickle. Anyway, regardless of all that, you really should try the walking on water thing for an all around refreshing experience.

        • Posted By: TheVigil @ 08/26/2008 4:53:47 PM

          I wholeheartedly agree with your post other than the innuendos implying things about my ego. There's nothing in a name. My post was fully intended to point that out by attempting to point out that any name has similarities to words that are disliked in our culture - McCain's and Obama's both included. I was trying to demonstrate the idiocy of this principle. It appears you missed that in some way.

    • Posted By: marksgershenson @ 08/24/2008 3:11:51 PM

      Your logic skills are of the 3rd or 4th grade level. Pitty

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 08/25/2008 11:25:30 PM

    Enter Your CommentUn-Holy Roller: The same Damn Played Out Song....

    Hawaii is the 50th State in the Union...OK

    Youe Messiah John "Semi-Senile" McCain was Foreign Born...(Panama) !!

    Call me when You Prove Hawaii the 5oth State in the Union, has Severed it's Ties, Allegiance and Loyalty to the USA and is now an Independent State....Please

    Un-holy Racist-Madness: You are saying, The Sate of Hawaii, The FBI, The CIA, The American Secret Service, The State of illinois and City of Chicago,Columbia & Harvard Universities are Incompetent, when it comes to Indentification and Perpetrating a Fraud of Epic Proportions, for some Ulterior Purpose....

    Thats Borderline-Bull-Spit, an thats all that you are Packaging and trying to Sale the Very Paranoid, Racist, Bias & Simple Minded of People....Like Yourself !!!

    Try as you May, Your Bull-Spit is just that...BULL-SPIT !!

    CONTINUE TO KEEP HATE, FEAR, RACISM AND BIAS BEHAVIOR...ALIVE !!

    YOU BETTER CHECK JOHN MCCAIN'S PANAMANIAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE OUT..

    I FORGOT...AS LONG AS HE'S WHITE...HE'S ALRIGHT

    Posted By: ICYEYES800 @ 08/25/2008 11:17:42 PM

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/25/2008 11:53:50 PM


      The story about Obama not being qualifed to run for President may be gaining legs. A prominent lawyer and Hillary supporter has officially filed a lawsuit on Obama, DNC and the FEC. Read the article in my posts above.

      • Posted By: raddave @ 08/26/2008 2:04:12 PM

        a prominant lawyer who filed a RICO lawsuit against President Bush, claiming that he caused 9/11 to happen, one that has been fined for ethics violations.

        • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/26/2008 3:49:43 PM

          He is still a very prominent force in Pennsylvania. Like the old saying...He'a a Phiily Lawyer.

          NOBAMA!!!

    • Posted By: loriw @ 08/26/2008 2:59:52 AM

      The point is if Obama was born in Kenya then the birth certificate is fraudulent. Make you wonder what else is fraudulent about Obama.
      He's already been caught in a lie about his position on the Born Alive Infant Protection Act. The lie occurred a little over a week ago during the Warren forum. Go to realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/08/did_obama_lie _about_born_alive.html

  • Posted By: Davole @ 08/26/2008 3:34:26 PM

    McCain uses Vietnam ordeal against jibes over wealth
    REUTERS by Andrew Gray Aug. 25, 2008

    BURBANK, California (Reuters) - John McCain, who often invokes his ordeal as a Vietnam war prisoner to show his devotion to his country as he runs for U.S. president, drew on the experience again on Monday -- this time to deflect sniping over the number of houses he owns.

    McCain's Democratic rival Barack Obama last week accused the Republican senator of being out of touch with ordinary people after he was unable to say in an interview how many houses were owned by him and his wife Cindy, a wealthy heiress to a beer distributorship.

    In an appearance on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno, McCain, 71, said his priority was to keep Americans in their homes in tough economic times.

    Then he recalled his Vietnam experience.
    "I spent 5 1/2 years in a prison cell without -- I didn't have a house. I didn't have a kitchen table. I didn't have a table. I didn't have a chair," he said.
    "I spent those 5 1/2 years ... not because I wanted to get a house when I got out."

    U.S. HOUSING WOES
    Rising energy prices and the faltering economy have become central issues in the race for the White House. The next president will inherit problems including a mortgage crisis that has cost many Americans their homes.

    McCain said he was prepared to deal with that and sought to play down the controversy over his family's assets.

    "I'm proud of my record of service to this country and it has nothing to do with houses. What it has to do with (is) putting Americans in houses and keeping them in their homes. And that's what I know how to do," he said to loud cheers from the studio audience.

    On the show the Arizona senator listed four homes he and his wife have -- one in the Washington area, two in Arizona and one in California. Media reports and Democrats have said the couple have at least seven properties when investments are included.

    McCain said he was proud of the way his wife's father had built up a large business after fighting in World War Two.

    With the Democrats engaged in their convention in Denver this week that will formally nominate Obama and the Republicans due to meet next week, polls show the two candidates locked in a dead heat in the popular vote. McCain predicted a tight finish in the November 4 election

    Obama's house in the affluent Chicago neighborhood of Hyde Park is worth more than $1.5 million, and he has made millions from the publication of two autobiographical books.

  • Posted By: Davole @ 08/26/2008 3:15:50 PM

    Republicans Spread Message of Democrats??? Disunity
    The Hill by Sam Youngman Aug. 25, 2008

    DENVER ??? Republicans have infiltrated the Democratic National Convention as they seek to exploit and widen the divisions between supporters of presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama and his former primary rival Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.

    The Republican National Committee (RNC) has set up shop in downtown Denver, and a number of high-profile Republican surrogates are making the media rounds at the Democrats' convention. They???re pushing the idea ??? disputed by Obama (Ill.) and Clinton (N.Y.) aides ??? that the Democratic Party is badly divided and Republican Sen. John McCain (Ariz.) is poised to peel off Clinton supporters.

    The Republicans are breaking somewhat with tradition, launching a much larger presence at their opponents' weeklong party than in the past. While rapid-response teams from both parties are generally dispatched to the opposing party's conventions, this year Republicans are being much more aggressive.

    Alex Conant, the RNC press secretary, said Monday that he doesn't think this year's effort is more aggressive than the one in 2004, but he said that the accommodations this year are more convenient and more "media ready."

    The RNC has two-dozen staffers on the ground in Denver, Conant said, and they will have at least one high-profile McCain surrogate in town every day of the convention. Victory 2008 Chairwoman Carly Fiorina was in town Monday, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney will be in town Tuesday, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani on Wednesday and Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty on Thursday. Pawlenty and Romney are considered finalists to be McCain's running mate, and Giuliani is the keynote speaker at next week's Republican convention.

    At the heart of the GOP's efforts is a Democratic convention that still has an 800-pound gorilla of a question ??? party unity. Republicans continue to point to a poll last week that showed only 52 percent of Clinton supporters lining up behind Obama, with 21 percent saying they will support McCain.

    And CNN released a poll Monday that showed 66 percent of Clinton supporters are now backing Obama. That's down from 75 percent in the end of June. And 27 percent of her supporters now say they'll support McCain, up from 16 percent in late June.

    "We didn't create all the disunity in the Democratic Party," Conant said. "I think Barack Obama did. We'll do all we can to shed light on it with the goal of reaching out to Hillary Clinton supporters."

    Conant added that all the Clinton supporters in the convention hall "are not the product of the RNC."

    Because of the Republican offensive, senior advisers to Obama and Clinton were furiously trying to extinguish constant reports of party unrest Monday morning before the convention had even officially begun.

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