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  • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/26/2008 10:36:08 PM



    I had to take a double take on these stats. . . .Hillary should bump it up quite a bit tomorrow after her speech tonite. Michelle , if anything, it looks definitely did not help.


    GALLUP POLL

    McCain - 46%

    Obama - 44%

    http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx


    Rasmussen Reports
    August 26, 2008

    McCain - 44%

    Obama - 44%

    With Leaners:

    McCain - 46%

    Obama - 46%

    Yesterday, with leaners, Obama had a three-point advantage over McCain . . . NoMichelleBounce today.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

    • Posted By: chindognyc @ 08/26/2008 10:39:04 PM

      The polls will change tomorrow. Remember though, the young folks are not putting their say in these polls.

      • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/26/2008 11:02:34 PM


        Yes, I remember you and someone else talking about that. There probably is some of that going on. Then there is the whole Bradley Effect that will probably kick in with another group of people when all is said and done too. It should be very interesting. What did you think about Hillarys speech tonite?

        • Posted By: chindognyc @ 08/26/2008 11:12:04 PM

          I was surprised that she didn't talk about her relationship with Obama. She said a brief comment and it wasn't denouncing the ads that McCain used with her. Her speech was strong, but it could have been better. I am happy with the speech, but not estatic.

          • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/26/2008 11:41:41 PM


            You are right. She did not focus much about her relationship with Obama and I know that Obama supporters would have wanted more of that, a personal endorsement of Obama; but that did not happen. My guess is that she knew that there are still those Hillary supporters out there that would not vote for Obama no matter what, so she focused on the angle of voting DEMOCRAT for the good of your country. More focus on sticking with the party and not focus on the guy running for POTUS. I think if she is to get that segment of her supporters to move over to Obamas ticket talking about her relationship would not help because they already have their reasons why they would not vote for the guy, so she put focus on the PARTY and that do you want 4 more years of Bush cuz a vote for McCain is a vote for Bush. All in all I think it was a strong endorsement to vote Democratic but no personal endorsement from her from the guy himself. Makes sense though why she did what she did.

            • Posted By: chindognyc @ 08/26/2008 11:59:54 PM

              Somebody in Hillary's camp did say that Hillary is preparing herself to run in 2012 if Obama does not win. I think when she said that her and McCain are friends, that was a sign that she is ready to run in the next Primaries.

              • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/27/2008 1:45:52 AM


                Yes, I agree with that. If Obama looses, she will run in 2012; but if Obama wins, Im thinking Hillary might wait until 2016 so she would not have to run against against Obama. Guess we will see what happens.

                • Posted By: chindognyc @ 08/27/2008 9:43:38 AM

                  What she fail to see is that just like the Clinton supporters don't want to vote for Obama, so will the Obama supporters won't vote for Hillary. Hillary won't even win a Primary because the West and Mid-West will not vote for her. I should know, I would be one of them.

                  • Posted By: busby @ 08/27/2008 12:39:15 PM

                    Then, how can you expect the Clinton supporters to vote for Obama? They feel the same about him as you apparently feel about Hillary. Don't do as I do - do as I say. Sorry, that doesn't fly.

                    • Posted By: chindognyc @ 08/27/2008 1:57:57 PM

                      All I have to say is Hillary won't get it in 2012. Obama supporters (and remember, it was 50%-50%), will not vote for her and the West Coast will never pick her, trust me on that.

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/27/2008 4:51:04 AM


    SHARENEWS: Passing on information that the MainStreamMedia as a whole will only suppress. I post this here for you to read, digest and be the judge as to what you believe or not:

    OBAMA? A man of Integrity? A man of good Judgment? A man of good Character? I dont think so. How do you explain this?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfaUeYXUDxU

    Barack Obama had a close relationship with William Ayers (who is an admitted unapologetic terrorist of the Weather Underground back in the 60s who served on the Board in which Obama also served). And Michelle and Williams wife served in the same Law firm also. In fact, the Woods Funds Investments have included investments for this radical group:

    ACORN: This is a LIBERAL ACTIVIST GROUP, notorious for voter registration FRAUD and even paying for votes using crack cocaine.

    Operating in at least 38 states (as well as Canada and Mexico), ACORN pushes a highly partisan agenda, and its organizers are best understood as shock troops for the AFL-CIO and even the Democratic Party.

    ACORN and its affiliates have pulled some real stunts in recent years. In Ohio in 2004, a worker for one affiliate was given crack cocaine in exchange for fraudulent registrations that included underage voters, dead voters and pillars of the community named Mary Poppins, Dick Tracy and Jive Turkey. During a Congressional hearing in Ohio in the aftermath of the 2004 election, officials from several counties in the state explained ACORNs practice of dumping thousands of registration forms in their lap on the submission deadline, even though the forms had been collected months earlier. (SHARENEWS: As I remember in the primaries there was one particular state that held out the votes as described here that had the news media in an uproar trying to find out what the hrs and hrs of delay were about. . . ). Hmmmmm.

    Given this history, its not surprising that ACORN is so hostile to voter identification laws and other efforts to ensure fairness and accuracy at the polls.


    OBAMAS ACORN INVOLVEMENT EXPOSED (PART 1 OF 2):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8Ep1tkNOUU

    ACORN is the group Obama was a community organizer for prior to his systematic trashing of all of his political opponents resulting in his ascension to his short career as a State and then U.S. Senator. ACORN has been convicted of hiring people to fraudulently register and then vote in several states via absentee ballot as many times as they wish. In Ohio 2004 one person registered as Jive Turkey and was reported to have been paid in Crack Cocaine. Thanks for blowing the whistle on ACORN.

    OBAMAS ACORN INVOLVEMENT EXPOSED (PART 2 OF 2):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=625jUE78zjE&feature=related


    Then there is the Annenberg foundation relationship that Ayers and Obama started up for education that is in the process of being fleshed out based on all the documentation that have since been discovered. . . To be continued. . . .

    • Posted By: chindognyc @ 08/27/2008 1:56:13 PM

      I can't believe you are posting these phony web sites. I use to think that you were smarter than this. You would stick with the issues and instead you are joining the ranks of Holy Roller and Zombie.

    • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 08/27/2008 12:10:50 PM

      It amazes me how you can offer garbage and try to sound as if you are being objective when doing it. Anyone who is truly objective and rational would look at that stuff, recognize it as truly biased garbage and refuse to be part of peddling it. Obviously it serves your purposes and just by passing it on your are hoping it corrupts someones mind and slants their view. It seems that the distasteful dirty politics so heavily employed by the Republican Party has infected their ranks all the way down to the street (or should I say gutter). The truth is that, that stuff is not real and shouldn't even appear as it is only exaggerated half truths blown up to make it sound like solid connections and real information. You want truth, try this:
      You can have experience and then you can have experience; what good is experience when it only demonstrates a lack of sound judgment; what good is long experience when it is unimpressive; what does experience say when it says nothing? John McCain has been around for a long time and that is part of his problem. We know that he has strongly and stubbornly backed George W Bush, as has the whole Republican Party, and we know that he advocates continuing with more of the same because he has told us that. John McCain is old school Washington politics and offers nothing but more of the same. After eight years with Bush-Cheney this country desperately needs change; after eight years of focusing on Bush???s priorities, Special Interests, a select few and neglecting America and the average American this country desperately needs change. John McCain can???t give us change and we really need change. Barack Obama is younger, fresher, brighter, has demonstrated sound judgment, is ready to lead and advocates the change we need. We need change; we need Barack Obama!

  • Posted By: Debunked! @ 08/26/2008 9:45:14 AM

    PEOPLE you have GOT to check out this you tube and pass it on! Why on EARTH have the MSM NOT released this!
    I posted this you tube from CNN's site a few weeks ago however, CNN DID NOT show this clip! They showed Obama replying respectfully!! His true response is simply OUTRAGEOUS!

    Damn, as much as I HATE to agree with Sean Hanity, he is correct---------this is the year REAL journalism died! I am assuming the 527 and GOP are going to wait until Sept Oct to do an attack ad on this!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5XzITj75Cw&NR=1

    • Posted By: Skallywag @ 08/26/2008 12:57:02 PM

      Debunked, Since you believe that, I have to let you in on a great deal. It's an awsome tax shelter and a way to hide all those oil $$$. Just call this guy I know, he has a bridge over the East Rriver for sale. His name is Leroy and he lives in Harlem. He'll take real good care of you...

      • Posted By: Debunked! @ 08/26/2008 1:17:22 PM

        Ha Ha HA

        show proof that it is not true! Just simply show CREDIBLE PROOF that the tape is NOT true---if not, then there is nothing left to say about it

        • Posted By: AskPlus @ 08/26/2008 2:00:05 PM

          She wants you to prove that a tape that know one has seen, has not been even linked in conjecture, is the brain-child of someone like the subject of this story - is true. Prove what she just writes is true. She is not worthy.

          • Posted By: Debunked! @ 08/26/2008 2:09:18 PM

            If I am NOT worthy that why do you make it a point to respond to my posts?

            • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/27/2008 1:52:08 PM

              Perhaps it's because AP has a big heart?

            • Posted By: AskPlus @ 08/26/2008 3:05:08 PM

              Or back to the subject, what kind of person thinks they can just tell lies, then assumes that someone else has to "prove" it is not a lie? Is that right? Is that common sense to you?

    • Posted By: marksgershenson @ 08/26/2008 11:49:16 PM

      I can tell you why MSM has not released it. Because you just did. Did you know with good editing equipment, you can make things look different than reality? Let's think about journalistic photographs that are faked. How about the Iranian missle test that was fake. How many examples of splice and paste do you need to see to know that this could well be an excellent manipulation of what the reality was at the time? Especially with a lot of people in the crowd, wouldn't you think that more than one person would have come forward with the same thing? Get real.

    • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 08/26/2008 10:54:05 AM

      Debunked, HolyRoller:
      The garbage you regurgitate on a regular basis defines you far more than it does Obama. It is pure nonsense offered without discipline for truth, for meaning, for class or quality and obviously is intended to defame someone you credit as being your superior. The fact that you can rationalize repeating that stuff infers you lack self-respect and a conscience as otherwise you would be too embarrassed, too ashamed to continue. It is simply Karl Roveish, lacking class and quality, amounting to dirty politics, demonstrating a real fear of the truth. It amounts to a typical Republican negative attack, hiding behind tasteless insults to avoid honestly dealing with the issues. If you can bring yourself up to offering something with real meaning and appropriate class, please do so otherwise realize that your present efforts insult you more than they do anyone else.

      • Posted By: Debunked! @ 08/26/2008 12:15:12 PM

        WHAT E VER!!!!-Kick this BS to some one else!

        Politics is a dog eat dog world ESPECIALLY during Presidential elections! I see you don't chastise Obama when he has come out with MANY misleading and outright untrue ads about McCain. MANY of the ads have been fackchecked on Newsweek and proven to be misleading. You kept quiet about all of those! What about all the MANY times Obama have INTENTIONALLY gave misleading statements about things McCain have said and misleading things about his position. How about Obama STILL lying about MANY things about himself and his wife lying about some things in her speech about him last night. Yet, that's all fine and dandy but when someone speaks the truth or an element of truth about Obama, it's tasteless and classless!! AGAIN, kick this Sh&t to someone else because I ain't trying to hear it------ya DIG!!!!!!

        • Posted By: bigair199 @ 08/26/2008 12:39:28 PM

          Debinked, I don't know what rock you crawled out of but please go back and tell the Republican's to save it for their storie's when Obama is POTUS. I watched the actual live feed from that and he didn't say anything rude to those people even though they were being rude to him. I know you Republican's are getting desperate and really throwing caution to the wind with all the crap you are digging up and trying to spread, but if your trying to kiss Hannity's rear end by sending all this stuff out. Please save it because we are not near as stupid as you Repub's want to believe we are. Moron's!

          • Posted By: Debunked! @ 08/26/2008 12:47:46 PM

            You know what rock I crawled from under, yours is right beside mine-----remember!!

            If the you tube is a fake, PROVIDE PROOF! If you can't then leave ME ALONE about it! I don't believe in SPREADING LIES, that ain't my style. If there is credible proof that the tape is a fake then it should be denounced and I will apologize for posting and state that the tape have been CREDIBLY proven to be a fake! My goal IS NOT to smear or lie!

            I search for the truth. I am simply NOT good at lying. Again, show CREDIBLE proof that the tape is a fake and I will DENOUNCE the tape and apologize for posting on several article blogs! If you can't then leave me alone about it!

            I stand tall and firm with my convictions and I will go toe to toe with ANYONE however I am NOT to big to admit when I am wrong NOR am I am the business of lying or spreading falsehoods! I believe what comes around goes around so the LAST thing I am going to do is try to spread lies to hurt someone!

            • Posted By: AskPlus @ 08/26/2008 12:51:35 PM

              I can't believe you are so pained.

              • Posted By: Debunked! @ 08/26/2008 12:55:36 PM

                Alvy, I guess we are pained together then

                • Posted By: AskPlus @ 08/26/2008 1:04:24 PM

                  Didn't you call me Mr. notroubleatall last week? Mr. Alvy last month and Mr. KBoogie before that? I'll answer the same way. Thank you. But you really need to search for truth and post it when you find it. Not just post the victim side of you. Mr. HollyRoller and IcyEyes post like you. I hope you are not them. You might be.

                  • Posted By: Debunked! @ 08/26/2008 1:20:02 PM

                    I never called you no trouble. I have never really blogged with no trouble. I know I called you Nins and maybe K Bhoogie but I am certain of who you are anyways............you are the one TELLING ME That I am spreading lies so the burden of proof is on you! It is NOT up to me to try to debunk an alleged falsehood about your candidate, that is YOUR job!

                    I go under one screen name and that is Debunked but you already know what my real first name is, Alvy!

                    Victim, I have NEVER played the victim roll--------that's what you are good at!

                    • Posted By: AskPlus @ 08/26/2008 1:54:58 PM

                      Ms. IcyEyes, Lori, ZombieHero, Sharenews or whatever Republican in Dems clothing you are. It's up to you as an adult not to start rumor, not for me to prove your lies are lies. Right? Does that make sense? It's not just me either. Ms. SJPersonal, Mr. NewsWk and a few others have asked you nicely to stop lying. Or is that too complicated for you too? You have been described in detail. You seem to be the poster child for bitter, ex-Clinton supporter. Now, you're being described as Mr. Roller and Concerned Canadian. You might think about all the lies you tell.

                      • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/26/2008 9:16:54 PM



                        Well, I for one am an Independent and when stating my opinions or posting of informative articles I never rely on people going off and looking to see if what they read is true or not. I provide the source links and leave it up to the reader to get informed and digest as to whether they want to believe it or not. The MSM is not doing their job. Thus, the need for us citizens finding out what this man has for a background, the type of judgments he has made, etc. over the years. It is your right to believe it or not, but being mean spirited and in some cases, Obama supporters resorting to name calling because they dont want to believe what is being said or posted is very immature and says alot about you just being plain p*ssed off at us bloggers passing on the information that most media news is suppressing. Live with it cuz us bloggers getting out info about Obama are not going away, at least until after the G.E. . . ; 0 D

                        • Posted By: chindognyc @ 08/26/2008 9:54:25 PM

                          Have you checked out Debunked post? They are never true and always goes nowhere. I still talk to people about McCain's anti-American comment and McCain supporters like you never seem to answer the question.

                          • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/26/2008 11:08:25 PM



                            I dont know about Debunked. That is between you two and the posts you object to or disagree with. But to answer the question about the McCain comment, here you go:

                            I answered this question for some blogger last month and also when this comment was picked up original in the media. . . although I agree it did not get as much press as Michelles Proud comment. I saved how I responded with cuz I got tired of re-typing it. : 0 D


                            JOHN MCCAIN COMMENT: I really didnt love America until I was deprived of her company meant:

                            In other words, one doesnt realize how much they love someone or something (e.g. our freedom and protection from harm, etc. that the US, our country, provides to all of its citizens). . . Take for granted. . . until it is taken away from them (e.g. which McCain experienced a major lack of when he was a POW).

                          • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/26/2008 10:43:13 PM


                            I have commented on that in depth numerous times on this site when brought up. I think I answered it in one of the posts below to someone, if not you. . . .

                      • Posted By: Debunked! @ 08/26/2008 2:11:34 PM

                        If I am telling lie after lie, then please provide something CREDIBLE to debunk what I have posted? Why haven't you done so?

                        • Posted By: AskPlus @ 08/26/2008 3:06:44 PM

                          Ms. IcyEyes, Lori, ZombieHero, Sharenews or whatever Republican in Dems clothing you are. It's up to you as an adult not to start rumor, not for me to prove your lies are lies. Right? Does that make sense?

                          • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/26/2008 9:14:19 PM


                            Well, I for one am an Independent and when stating my opinions or posting of informative articles I never rely on people going off and looking to see if what they read is true or not. I provide the source links and leave it up to the reader to get informed and digest as to whether they want to believe it or not. The MSM is not doing their job. Thus, the need for us citizens finding out what this man has for a background, the type of judgments he has made, etc. over the years. It is your right to believe it or not, but being mean spirited and in some cases, Obama supporters resorting to name calling because they dont want to believe what is being said or posted is very immature and says alot about you just being plain p*ssed off at us bloggers passing on the information that most media news is suppressing. Live with it cuz us bloggers getting out info about Obama are not going away, at least until after the G.E. . . ; 0 D

                          • Posted By: Debunked! @ 08/26/2008 3:18:36 PM

                            In other words, you can't

        • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 08/26/2008 12:39:17 PM

          Debunked: You are correct that politics is a dog eat dog world but ... that doesn't excuse BS, dishonesty and low-class attacks as efforts to hide behind and avoid the issues. Either you have a short or convenient memory as Obama never started the negative stuff - I suspect that the Republicans are upset that Obama didn't do as Kerry did and let them get away with it. And you can 'DIG' this, if it really bothers you so much to be so biased that you are out of touch with the truth and your classless accusations are tasteless, then try to stick to the issues and let go of the garbage that is nothing more than meaningless slander! Now if you don't recognize the truth in that ...oh well, I guess there isn't any use to explain.

          • Posted By: Debunked! @ 08/26/2008 12:53:34 PM

            In a since I agree, I DO NOT BELIEVE in dishonesty! I would NEVER try to INTENTIONALLY spread falsehoods about Obama or anyone! If there is CREDIBLE PROOF to discredit ANYTHING that I have stated or posted, provide it and I will denounce it!

            HOwever as far as low class attacks, you've got to be kidding. Obama is G U I L T Y of this! It is just that McCain's attacks so far as had more traction than his. And actually, Obama has been ENTHUSIASTICALLY spreading falsehoods and misleading statements about his opponents. Why are you denouncing this?

            Personally, in politics, EVERYTHING is fair game and every politician should be expecting and working on their comeback to the attacks! However, I DO NOT condone spreading lies.

            So please don't come at me with this class less, taste less mess! If it's true, it is fair game, however if it is not true, I agree that it should be denounced!

            I stand by EVERY SINGLE THING I have posted UNLESS there is evidence to show that it is not credible! Again, everything is FAIR GAME IN politics!

            • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/26/2008 9:01:48 PM


              Debunked, you are wasting your breath arguing to the degree you are with (some) of these Obamanuts. . . Im like you. I go out of my way to research and post information (with links where applic.) cuz the MSM is not doing their job to expose not so pretty pieces that has been part of his life, his judgements, etc. So ignore the name-calling, the ongoing accusations of what we post as being lies, etc. We know the real story. . . they just dont want to see and face it that this man is not totally the man he has continued to claim that he is. Keep on posting and informing others. ; 0 D

            • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 08/26/2008 5:16:23 PM

              Debunked: You find it convenient to peddle trash that only a moron wouldn't call trash and then advocate it is true because you got it off some biased website. You condemn Obama because he responds, didn't start, the negative BS and just excuse McCain. The truth is that there is just a ot of garbage out there that is meaningless and not worth presenting yet, without conscience, if it serves your purpose you don't even question it. Lies, half truths, misinformation, BS,, just doesn't cut it and isn't worth discussing let alone arguing about. You have anything to say about the real issues, about the candidates positions, about more than just slander and garbage, then bring it up, be objective and lets rationally disagree. No problem with that.

              ps HolyRoller, you too!

    • Posted By: chindognyc @ 08/26/2008 9:46:43 AM

      You always come out with a vidoe against Obama, and then say it will hit mainstream soon and it never happens. Why don't you quit with your rumors.

      • Posted By: Debunked! @ 08/26/2008 10:01:32 AM

        Whatever, you always come out with this "blank panther" type talk that no one is paying any attention to!

        The truth is that the Obama camp has done a good job of keeping things from hitting MSM. Right now they are trying to "quash" the William Ayers ad. We will see how successful he will conitnue to be. This race is just getting started so perhaps you should WAIT until AFTER the election to give your say on what will and will not hit MSM because right now, we simply dont know what's coming!

        And actually, if you READ my post I asked why have MSM NOT released this and let me ad, the other pertinent info as well!! I even repeated one of Sean Hanity's line about how he feel the election is being covered and journalism dying this election year------------so what are YOU talking about??

        Go back and continue to pitch out your black panther, black deprivation, black power , black racism posts!

        • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/26/2008 11:25:07 AM

          Debuked,

          I have always thought that you were better than this, but by these posts you are no different than holyroller, iceyes, fatboyjoe and the others.

          I am really surprised and disappointed. But at least now I know exactly what type of person you are.

          • Posted By: AskPlus @ 08/26/2008 11:28:55 AM

            I knew it all along. She's just another horrible person. Good reason to vote for Mr. Obama.

            • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/26/2008 12:07:10 PM

              Hi Ask,

              I really didn't think that she would go as far as holy and the others like him but i was obviously wrong. What did you think of last night. I thought it was great, of course Michelle's speech was rehearsed, but the emotion and the family play between the girls and Sen. Obama was genuine.

              I loved it.

              • Posted By: Debunked! @ 08/26/2008 1:02:47 PM

                When have you EVER denounced or called out Obama for the intention outright lies and misleading statements he have made about himself or others!

                • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/26/2008 8:03:02 PM

                  What lies? Proof please!

                  • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/26/2008 8:49:05 PM




                    Pia, You are kidding, right? BTW, McCain and Hillary have had their share of lies and stretching the truth like Obama does (all politicians, really):

                    http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/fashion-shows/

                • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/26/2008 1:17:48 PM

                  What lies would that be?
                  That he WASN'T a radical secret muslim terrorist who hates muslims or any of the many other TRUTHS that you and those of your ilk spew?

              • Posted By: AskPlus @ 08/26/2008 12:21:29 PM

                It was rehearsed and quite real at the same time. The emotions were real and the shots of her interacting with the kids was one thing, but to witness the balance of the kids was quite another. They are really good kids emotionally and seemingly - academically. To get up on stage after the pummeling they have both taken by the ugly side of America was almost heroic to me. I saw the pride that Europe is taking in Mr. Obama and his campaign in the newspapers, and that's unreal. I think they want him more than us.

          • Posted By: Debunked! @ 08/26/2008 12:27:16 PM

            Were you disappointed and surprised when Obama came out with all of those OUT RIGHT lying and misleading ads about McCain? Were you disappointed and surprised when Obama continuously made misleading statements about McCain's statements and positions! Were you outraged when Obama have posted MANY misleading things about his accomplishments and when he have been caught in lie after lie and still more lies are lingering that he haven't even been made to answer yet!!

            Where was your outrage then!! Were you outraged when the media, Obama camp and leaders of the DNC ganged up on HIllary and forced her to end her campaign and when she was whipping his butt worked behind the scene to ensure enough SD's voted for him!!

            WHERE WAS YOUR OUTRAGE THEN!!!!!!!!!! WHERE!! Don't sit up here and kick this BS to me!!!!!!!!!

            Were you OUTRAGED when Obama sat in that church for 20 yrs and at first took up for his pastor and then denounced him and the church?

            Were you outraged about the fact that he dminished MANY americans by saying they were clinging to their guns and religion and have antipathy BASICALLY CALLING THEM BIGOTS towards people NOT like them! WHERE WAS YOUR OUTRAGE THEN??

            Were you OUTRAGED when Obama called his granny a typical white person??

            I could go on but I think my point is being made-------------I call it like I see it and I see as clear as day that Obama is a FRAUD AND ONE OF THE BIGGEST PHONIES I HAVE EVER SEEN!!!!!!!! At least his wife USE to keep it real but she have been forced to turn into a phony too, for political reasons of course!

            Don't you try to chastise me about a motherfu%king thing UNTIL you hold Obama accountable for something!

            You Obama supporters think Obama can do and say what he want but you want to try to diminish anyone who says something about negative about him!!

            • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/26/2008 1:15:15 PM

              Where was your outrage then!! Were you outraged when the media, Obama camp and leaders of the DNC ganged up on HIllary and forced her to end her campaign and when she was whipping his butt worked behind the scene to ensure enough SD's voted for him!!

              SHE LOST! NO ONE STOLE ANYTHING FROM HER!
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              Were you OUTRAGED when Obama sat in that church for 20 yrs and at first took up for his pastor and then denounced him and the church?

              Old, Old, Old and some even taken out of context, but then YOU know this!
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              Were you outraged about the fact that he dminished MANY americans by saying they were clinging to their guns and religion and have antipathy BASICALLY CALLING THEM BIGOTS towards people NOT like them! WHERE WAS YOUR OUTRAGE THEN??

              Funny, I guess you conveniently forgot that many many people in those states AGREED with him. Also YOU KNOW DAMN WELL THAT OBAMA NEVER CALLED ANYONE A BIGOT!
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              You Obama supporters think Obama can do and say what he want but you want to try to diminish anyone who says something about negative about him!!

              Oh no! Don???t get it twisted, Obama has never said anything personally negative about Clinton, and yes I am completely aware that Clinton is your ONLY issue. You are a dried up, bitter, uptight anal retentive and spiteful woman who obviously has nothing but her hate to sustain her. You do nothing but spew hate, lies and bigotry. I hope that hate keeps you, holy, iceyes, fatboy joe, and all the others like you all warm and cozy
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              Were you OUTRAGED when Obama called his granny a typical white person??

              Ok, I do believe that Obama could have worded it better, but the message was clear to all who were not deliberately searching for something hateful.

              • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/26/2008 8:00:46 PM

                I'll vouch for that! Hillary lost!

              • Posted By: Debunked! @ 08/26/2008 1:29:25 PM

                You simply can't answer my question and you are trying to put a spin or either dismiss half of the stuff I asked but it's cool and expected.

                Here is the difference between me and you, I am not passing judgment on you because you are choosing to support Obama.

                I believe Obama is a TOTAL AND COMPLETE fraud but I NEVER questioned or tried to down talk anyone who supports him!

                How about you try to give the same courtesy to those of us who don't . If there is CREDIBLE EVIDENCE to debunk ANY thing I have posted about Obama, I will gladly denounce and apologize for posting an untruth. My intent is NOT to spread lies or falsehoods. However, if there is no evidence to show that my postings have been CREDIBLY discredited, then DONT complain about what I post! The truth sometimes hurt and it is what it is!

                Instead of getting mad at the messenger, perhaps you should look at your candidate more closely!

            • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 08/26/2008 12:49:00 PM

              Debunked: IF you don't want 'the BS kicked to you' , then simply cut out the BS yourself.

              • Posted By: Debunked! @ 08/26/2008 1:00:39 PM

                What BS or LIE or FALSEHOOD have I kicked!! If you say it is a lie or false, provide credible proof, if you can't then STOP WHINING!

                • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 08/26/2008 5:55:35 PM

                  Tuesday August 25, 2008: A new 527 Group, Manchurian Exposed, released a new ad today detailing accusations that John McCain was brainwashed by the North Vietnamese Communists while he was a prisoner of war and that he is literally a deep, programmed mole ready to be triggered and used by the communists. It is indicated that several of our soldiers who became prisoners of war were put through the conditioning program that left them as puppets waiting to be activated and controlled at a later date. The soldiers themselves were left unaware of the conditioning and can be activated with preprogrammed deep mental keys that are initiated by a controller. The communists were just waiting for an opportunity that would serve their purposes and John McCain now presents that opportunity. There is also evidence that those behind this program have also been active with the George W Bush administration and exerted significant influence there. While George W Bush was not brainwashed, because of his sociopathic personality that is without any conscience and is totally self-focused it was not necessary as he was easy to control using motivations appealing to his ego and self-focus. Scott McClellans book WHAT HAPPENED supported this when referring to the numerous long and frequent private meetings between George W Bush and Dick Cheney, his controller, and then in relating to President Bushs discipline at self deception (Scotts words) which allowed him to perform the frequent subterfuge. It seems Dick Cheney was the liaison between the outside organization and the Bush administration providing the direction and control and that there also has been a great deal of corporate involvement motivated by the financial return made available to them. John McCains progress to being the nominee for the Republican Party was orchestrated by these same people. ???.

                  Dont believe all of that? I dont blame you because it is just a lot of made up crap much like all of the garbage that is being put out about Barack Obama. Obama is no more a terrorist than McCain is a communist agent! Ayers, Reszo (sp.), Rev. Wright, etc have no more influence over Obama than Keating has over McCain, in fact in contrast Obama wasn???t even investigated! Obama is no more a Muslim than McCain is a communist! And while McCain has some admitted moral failures, they are both happy family men! The point is to not be taken in by all of the dirty politics and to recognize the BS aimed to just manipulate public opinion. If we can stick to objectively and rationally considering only the real issues and to comparing the candidates actual positions, that should be enough. When it sounds like garbage it probably is and then you can be sure they are trying to steal your mind and vote!

              • Posted By: Debunked! @ 08/26/2008 1:01:13 PM

                I see you took the time to read my post but you DID NOT answer the many questions I asked. I wonder why

                • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 08/26/2008 5:40:00 PM

                  The why is apparent in the waste of time. Get real and I will be glad to respond to anything presented in a rational manner that is meaningful and not just BS.

        • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 08/26/2008 10:57:32 AM

          Boy you do have a lot of anger in you. With or without anger what you emotionally regurgitate is garbage.

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/26/2008 8:04:09 PM

            NewsWK, deep down Debunked is a good person..she's just misled, that's all.

          • Posted By: Debunked! @ 08/26/2008 12:28:10 PM

            BIG OL YAWN-------------------

        • Posted By: AskPlus @ 08/26/2008 11:30:01 AM

          You are one sick puppy.

          • Posted By: Debunked! @ 08/26/2008 12:15:44 PM

            takes one to know one-------

            • Posted By: AskPlus @ 08/26/2008 12:53:20 PM

              No it does not. You are on a smear mission with no tangible evidence to support your own personal hearsay. You're what makes America laughable and bad. Big yawn.

              • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/26/2008 7:59:15 PM

                AP, if you are Alvy, I am very glad you are here posting. You do excellent work, thank you!

              • Posted By: Debunked! @ 08/26/2008 12:59:44 PM

                Ok, Alvy------SHOW CREDIBLE PROOF where I have posted fake info and I will denounce it. If you can't then by all means, stop whining about it!

                I have NEVER once heard you become outrage at many of the out right lies or misleading statements Obama has made but you are quick to try to jump on someone who INTENTIONALLY reveal something about him that is true (unless proven otherwise)!!! Manyof you Obama supporters typically have double standards!

                • Posted By: AskPlus @ 08/26/2008 1:07:56 PM

                  The proof is in the poster Ms. Icyeyes. If you post it, it is in desperation and fear. You have not posted anything of substance. You have never addressed and of the replies sent you. Just look at your responses, and tell me if any are rational at all. You really do post like IcyEyes and Mr. Roller without the bible.

                  • Posted By: Debunked! @ 08/26/2008 1:23:51 PM

                    No I am posting because I want to find the TRUTH! The MSM has REFUSED to do REAL reporting on Obama and Lord knows that the many times Obama have been called out on something, the MSM has allowed him to either not answer or give a excuse that is even more confusing that the initial issue so I am now dependent on the internet and sadly, conservative talk show host to give an element of truth and then I do my own research from there.

                    Even Obama's "raised by a single mother" statement is questionable? I will NOT apologize for being DESPERATE IN SEARCHING FOR THE TRUTH ABOUT OBAMA!

                    • Posted By: AskPlus @ 08/26/2008 1:44:28 PM

                      "Raised by a single mother" is fact. How would you like if someone said you were raised by someone else, and people who didn't like your family spouted it as truth to everyone - getting people to raise their personal pitchforks and torches skyward? Now apologize like you said you would for starting rumor.

                      • Posted By: chindognyc @ 08/26/2008 1:54:44 PM

                        And this is why I said anything that debunked say's make no sense. Lets investigate McCain. A man who said he did not like America. Why don't you investigate that.

                        • Posted By: Debunked! @ 08/26/2008 2:03:01 PM

                          Ok NYC

                          On what channel did you see McCain say he DID NOT LIKE this country------where did this statement come from

                          • Posted By: chindognyc @ 08/26/2008 3:14:31 PM

                            thedailyvoice.com/voice/2008/06/john-mccain-i-really-didnt-lov-000779.php - 68k -

                            • Posted By: Debunked! @ 08/26/2008 3:20:15 PM

                              Thanks for the link, I'll check it out!!

                          • Posted By: chindognyc @ 08/26/2008 3:12:57 PM

                            Are you serious? He said it to Sean Hannity in an interview. Google it and you will see it. MSNBC played the video over and over. Talk about that Debunked. Maybe you will stop using Michelle. I think McCain's was worst.

                      • Posted By: summer4077 @ 08/26/2008 2:00:34 PM

                        Agreed. I think it's hilarious that debunked has turned away from credible news sources to shaky ones like the internet and conservative talk radio. It's like whenever the news reports FACTS that they don't want to hear, they cram their fingers in their ears and yell loudly. Facts are facts. Just because the MSM reports the facts doesn't mean they are biased. If McCain would finally do or say something not related to bashing Obama or Paris Hilton, maybe the media would report it...and no, spouting off about being a POW for 5 years doesn't cut it anymore. Yawn!!

                        • Posted By: AskPlus @ 08/26/2008 2:05:09 PM

                          The actual length that these people go too to fight for their lies is incredible. Really incredible.

                      • Posted By: Debunked! @ 08/26/2008 1:59:01 PM

                        Ok,

                        When exactly was he raised by a single mother. I have seen and read where he was raised by his mom and step dad in Indonesia and when he returned to the states, he was raised by both of his maternal grandparents in Indonesia. So when was he raised and lived with his mother ONLY?

                        • Posted By: Debunked! @ 08/26/2008 2:01:46 PM

                          Sorry, I mean his maternal grandparents in Hawaii, but still, at what point was he raised by a single parent only

        • Posted By: chindognyc @ 08/26/2008 1:52:16 PM

          What is blank panther?

          • Posted By: Debunked! @ 08/26/2008 1:57:04 PM

            Let me tell you something, this ain't the first time I mis spell a word on this blog and it won't be the last. I type a mile a min and I barely proof what I type on the blog. I do enough proofing with my case dictation that I have to turn in!

            You got my point and that's all that matters!

            • Posted By: chindognyc @ 08/26/2008 3:10:19 PM

              lol ok debunked. I'm just having fun. Don't get mad at me. I still like debating with you.

              • Posted By: Debunked! @ 08/26/2008 3:19:32 PM

                I am not mad, I knew you were trying to be a smart ass =-)

                You cool with me! We are on different sides of the fence, but you are cool

  • Posted By: EE7011 @ 08/26/2008 11:26:23 AM

    When you give the speech that you think people want to hear, I think listeners can tell. I listened to several speeches Michelle gave on the campaign trail and found them to be much more engaging/informative. I know Michelle is a mother and a wife that is obvious, I can tell she loves her family both immediate and extended, but what can she and Barack bring to the White House? Why does he deserve to be our future President? This softer image for women is done. This is not a time to get emotional and teary eyed. You can have your moment when you both win (if you do win)! This is essentially their job interview and we are doing the highering. Good mother and father is not usually included on most resumes. I'm done with the family stuff ,after the decision John Edwards made with his family. I like the Obamas, but I know Michelle held back and played it safe.

    • Posted By: josemarti @ 08/26/2008 11:34:24 AM

      She failed completely to make a case for why her husband should our next Commander in Chief.

      • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/26/2008 7:49:57 PM

        Michelle did very well and she looked beautiful too. The green dress with brooch was very becoming. I wonder what fragrances she wears.

        • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/26/2008 9:34:04 PM


          Au de Mace

          • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/27/2008 1:50:36 PM

            Hello share! Missed you lately, I mean it.

            I think Michelle wears a lovely spicy fragrance that suits her strong personality. No wimpy floral for her.

      • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 08/26/2008 12:00:02 PM

        That wasn't her purpose, but rather only to demonstrate that all of the irrational BS thrown at her and her family was just that, BS. She did make it clear that she, that they, are quality and just as deserving as anyone else. And she did demonstrate that the American people could have pride with them in the White House. Get over it, she did one hell of a job!

        • Posted By: josemarti @ 08/26/2008 1:25:55 PM

          This convention promises to be an utter failure for Obama. The Democrats are discovering the limits of alchemy. You cannot turn lead into gold even with the help of the media.

          • Posted By: AskPlus @ 08/26/2008 2:02:05 PM

            And you know this...how? Is this another wish, or did you get a copy of the speeches and turnovers?

    • Posted By: chindognyc @ 08/26/2008 1:14:05 PM

      She had to EE. When Michelle said her comments, they took it out of characther. When McCain said his hatred for America, nobody will bring it up.

  • Posted By: chindognyc @ 08/26/2008 7:12:36 PM

    Debunked went to youtube and saw the comments that John McCain said "at one time, I too did not love America until I was deprived of her company." She has not returned.

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/26/2008 7:44:44 PM

      She is more than likely upset over it.

      • Posted By: chindognyc @ 08/26/2008 8:18:57 PM

        I think so Pia. How are you by the way?

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/27/2008 1:48:06 PM

          Hey friend! How are you? I'm well, thank you.

          Did Debunked ever get back to you about the McCain comments on youtube? I myself have not seen the video.

  • Posted By: Chloe123 @ 08/27/2008 12:19:20 PM

    Gullibility is not listed in the psychiatry manual today, but it's pretty dysfunctional in real life. If you fall for just about any used car salesman, or any danceaway lover, or any telemarketer, or any smarmy politician, you're going to make big mistakes. It could cost you your country. It's not surprising that hustlers like Bill Clinton and Barack Obama rise to the top of the Democratic Party. What continues to astonish the saner fraction of the world is the abject gullibility of their followers. If the libs ever wised up, the Democratic Party would have to go out of business. But there's no danger of that. There's another one born every minute. They call them infants, and if they're liberals they never have to grow up. What staggers me is the lib masses -- "masses" is a very Marxist word -- who always come back for more, even after they find out they've been duped again. These are the people who are honestly disappointed by John Edwards's cheatin' heart. They were shocked by Monica's Blue Dress -- but not enough to blame Bill Clinton. He was an innocent victim.

    • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 08/27/2008 12:34:01 PM

      And what do you think about what GWBush-DCheney-KRove-etal have been doing for eight years with the full and strong support of the Republican Party and that John McCain now advocates continuing. None of them, Republican or Democrat, are innocent or without their sham, but literally we have never had a more dishonest presidency than Bush-Cheney and one so thoroughly focused on irresponsibly benefiting only a few. As an ex-Republican I have observed and been disgusted by it and now we desperately need change!

      • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 08/27/2008 12:45:54 PM

        One more point is that when talking about 'gullibility' I think you need to include the Republican 'masses', the average person who has been sold that 'conservatism' is having benefit ONLY for Special Interests and a select few and then 'liberalism' is whenever the majority benefits. By the way, contrary to what they say Tax Cuts for the wealthy (those the Republicans focus on) don't help the economy as they don't spend more, they are already spending on whatever they want. A 'trickle down' policy is a fraud! A 'bubble up' policy works and benefits everyone as the middle-class and the poor actually spend more when they are given more - which even creates profits for the wealthy. Tax Cuts for the wealthy just make the wealthy wealthier, as currently demonstrated, without much real benefit to the economy.

  • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 08/27/2008 12:24:22 PM

    sharenews, the following is offered just to make a point.

    Tuesday August 25, 2008: A new 527 Group, Manchurian Exposed, released a new ad today detailing accusations that John McCain was brainwashed by the North Vietnamese Communists while he was a prisoner of war and that he is literally a deep, programmed mole ready to be triggered and used by the communists. It is indicated that several of our soldiers who became prisoners of war were put through the conditioning program that left them as puppets waiting to be activated and controlled at a later date. The soldiers themselves were left unaware of the conditioning and can be activated with preprogrammed deep mental keys that are initiated by a controller. The communists were just waiting for an opportunity that would serve their purposes and John McCain now presents that opportunity. There is also evidence that those behind this program have also been active with the George W Bush administration and exerted significant influence there. While George W Bush was not brainwashed, because of his sociopathic personality that is without any conscience and is totally self-focused it was not necessary as he was easy to control using motivations appealing to his ego and self-focus. Scott McClellans book WHAT HAPPENED supported this when referring to the numerous long and frequent private meetings between George W Bush and Dick Cheney, his controller, and then in relating to President Bushs discipline at self deception (Scotts words) which allowed him to perform the frequent subterfuge. It seems Dick Cheney was the liaison between the outside organization and the Bush administration providing the direction and control and that there also has been a great deal of corporate involvement motivated by the financial return made available to them. John McCains progress to being the nominee for the Republican Party was orchestrated by these same people. ???.

    Dont believe all of that? I dont blame you because it is just a lot of made up crap much like all of the garbage that is being put out about Barack Obama. Obama is no more a terrorist than McCain is a communist agent! Ayers, Reszo (sp.), Rev. Wright, etc have no more influence over Obama than Keating has over McCain, in fact in contrast Obama wasn???t even investigated! Obama is no more a Muslim than McCain is a communist! And while McCain has some admitted moral failures, they are both happy family men! The point is to not be taken in by all of the dirty politics and to recognize the BS aimed to just manipulate public opinion. If we can stick to objectively and rationally considering only the real issues and to comparing the candidates actual positions, that should be enough. When it sounds like garbage it probably is and then you can be sure they are trying to steal your mind and vote!

  • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 08/27/2008 12:17:41 PM

    You can have experience and then you can have experience; what good is experience when it only demonstrates a lack of sound judgment; what good is long experience when it is unimpressive; what does experience say when it says nothing? John McCain has been around for a long time and that is part of his problem. We know that he has strongly and stubbornly backed George W Bush, as has the whole Republican Party, and we know that he advocates continuing with more of the same because he has told us that. John McCain is old school Washington politics and offers nothing but more of the same. After eight years with Bush-Cheney this country desperately needs change; after eight years of focusing on Bush???s priorities, Special Interests, a select few and neglecting America and the average American this country desperately needs change. John McCain can???t give us change and we really need change. Barack Obama is younger, fresher, brighter, has demonstrated sound judgment, is ready to lead and advocates the change we need. We need change; we need Barack Obama!

  • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 08/27/2008 12:10:04 AM

    I just watched Hillary Clinton???s speech at the Democratic convention and, as you would expect, was impressed. In my own mind I am still sincerely convinced that Barack Obama will be the best for the country yet I am swayed that there probably is little doubt that Hillary Clinton could have had an easier time winning. Which is saying that Hillary is really better at campaigning yet Barack does sincerely offer better focus on the issues and governing skills; obviously neither would have ever make a bad president. In contrast, I am strongly impacted with the feeling that the Republicans basically are currently just literally a real fraud. I???m not saying that every Republican is a fraud but I am saying that I am struck with the feeling that as a party they only represent a few Americans, that they are grossly dishonest and that they arrogantly have no hesitation to just take care of only their own personal interests. This country???s history is built on the achievements of both parties but there have been times when one party was needed to take control and literally stop the other from hurting this country ??? I think that is where we are at now. I was a registered Republican for many years and believed that the best government was the least government and that government should only do for the people that which they can???t do for themselves ??? but today those principals have been used to hide a concentration on neglecting government???s responsibilities and on focusing on benefiting only a select few. The Republican Party has aggressively and arrogantly undertaken to try to control and manipulate public opinion for their own purposes, not with fact and honest presentation of their positions but rather with subterfuge and dishonest attacks against anyone who confronts them. If they continue to be successful, the country is, the people are the real and significant losers.

    • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 08/27/2008 12:11:51 AM

      I didn't do the duplicate posting, it just happened. Sorry about that.

      • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/27/2008 1:42:13 AM



        Newsweeks editing tool is lousy, especially when doing replies.Half the time Im typing my response and hit something and poof, the reply is gone, cancelled out. Lots of times I just type in my response in WORD and cut and paste it into a reply. They really should invest in a new tool cuz this one stinks. ; - (

        • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 08/27/2008 12:15:11 PM

          I do the same with anything longer and then have trouble with incompatibility between the systems. Many times I end up with a lot of embedded ????? for punctuation it doesn't convert properly. Oh well ...

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/27/2008 3:28:19 AM



    For what it is worth, I think the hairstyle that Michelle wore the nite she made her speech most flatters her face . . . softens her image.

  • Posted By: chindognyc @ 08/26/2008 7:46:05 AM

    Did you see the women and men that were crying at the convention? What a powerful speech. I'm still trying to figure out, how come nobody will bring up McCain saying "at one time, I too did not love America until I was deprived of her company.

    • Posted By: Skypoint @ 08/26/2008 8:26:25 AM

      Quote: "I'm still trying to figure out, how come nobody will bring up McCain saying "at one time, I too did not love America until I was deprived of her company."

      Because there isn't any need for them to.... you've brought it up twice in the past three minutes.

      • Posted By: chindognyc @ 08/26/2008 9:23:01 AM

        well then answer the question. Why did he say "at one time, I too did not love America, until I was deprived of her company." Can you answer that? I brought it up again.

        • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/27/2008 2:40:26 AM


          I answered this question for some blogger last month and when this comment from McCain first got publicized. I saved it cuz I got tired of re-writing it. : 0 D

          JOHN MCCAIN COMMENT: I really didnt love America until I was deprived of her company meant:

          In other words, one doesnt realize how much they love someone or something (e.g. our freedom and protection from harm, etc. that the US, our country, provides to all of its citizens). . . Take for granted. . . until it is taken away from them (e.g. which McCain experienced a major lack of when he was a POW).

        • Posted By: Skypoint @ 08/26/2008 9:59:29 AM

          I did answer your first question. You were wondering why nobody brought it up, not why McCain said what he said.

          Your second question was specific.... As for why McCain said what he said, I have no idea, and I don't care. The same goes for M. O's. America statement... and that's my whole point. it doesn't matter IMO. Both statements are thoughtless in my book, and each side will spin them in the direction they want them to go.

          • Posted By: AskPlus @ 08/26/2008 11:42:26 AM

            Both statements were thought-ful, and depict emotion. Both emotions show care for the country. Let's face it, most of us are not too happy with the country as it sits now anyway. We love it - but we hate what it has become.

            • Posted By: Skypoint @ 08/26/2008 1:51:04 PM

              I disagree. Both candidates have drawn extreme fire for both comments. I would bet that if both had them to say over again, they would at the very least alter what they said.

              You said you hate what our country has become... what has America become that you hate so much?

              • Posted By: AskPlus @ 08/26/2008 2:15:20 PM

                America was indeed the land of education. Right now, we have the most students graduating per capita of any nation, but they have the lowest level of education. Health care, politics, working hours and conditions, vacation time to be with family, levels of respect for other cultural belief, responsibility to our allies, responsibility to talk first and act second, taking the lead role in world peace, not lead role in world wars, and complimenting our citizens with respect not deceit. Maybe if we could not be the reason why Russia invaded Georgia. Maybe if we could not talk about how "great we are", but execute it. Maybe if lost a bit of the puritanical, and utilized more common-sense. maybe if we were less reality TV based in emotion and attitude, and more fact-based with the attitudes of support vice destruction. We may still be the "best". That's debatable. But we lost a lot.

        • Posted By: summer4077 @ 08/26/2008 10:29:45 AM

          I'm an Obama supporter and pretty much detest McCain. However, I can understand his statement and think almost every American could agree. How many of us truly stop each day to think about how lucky we are to live here? Probably not many. So yeah, you probably WOULDN'T realize how much you love this country until you were in a god forsaken third world mess. Think of how we all felt on 9/11--so much love for our country we were splitting at the seams.

    • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/26/2008 11:52:54 AM

      Last night was a feel good night, any reference to McCain would have just downed the mood!

    • Posted By: benluclar @ 08/26/2008 8:33:11 AM

      Powerful speech??!#
      Come on now, get realistic, there was no power in Michelle's speech. It was an 'okay' speech, but power speaker she is not.

      • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 08/26/2008 11:27:11 AM

        benluclar: Really got you, huh? Com'on don't deny it, get above the low-class and admit it. That was one hell of a speech, excellently presented and very moving! Go ahead and say it, you will feel better, your conscience will give you credit for being able to admit the truth.

  • Posted By: chindognyc @ 08/26/2008 3:15:43 PM

    thedailyvoice.com/voice/2008/06/john-mccain-i-really-didnt-lov-000779.php - 68k -
    This is an article on McCain saying that at one time, I too did not love America until I was deprived of her company. Talk about that Debunked and Holy Roller and all these yahoo's

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/27/2008 2:29:50 AM


      To be fair, that has happened to me too about page not being found when they are updating sites or whatever. I just tried it just now (the link you provided) and it does not bring me to the place you said it would. But I did finally find the link on the search page that showed up of the video link. But then, Ive already answered this question at least twice in these discussion threads to give you the answer you were looking for. Like I said, both comments pretty much cancel each other out for all intent and purposes.

    • Posted By: Debunked! @ 08/26/2008 3:29:57 PM

      When I cut and paste, it says the page can't be found

      • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/27/2008 2:24:15 AM


        Wait, I think I read that wrong first time around. Are you saying that the same thing is happening with links to McCain stuff too? Interesting.

      • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/27/2008 2:22:41 AM


        It is funny that you say that cuz up until the past few weeks I had no problem finding stuff. But the MSM is sweeping the internet to get rid of Obama info that doesnt make him look like an angel. That is why I have been cutting and pasting the stuff into WORD alon with the links. It is true, though, Ive been getting 404s from old links I used to post as Obama is running scared. . . .

      • Posted By: chindognyc @ 08/26/2008 3:47:01 PM

        go to youtube and type in dan abrams on mccains america comments and you will see pt 1 of pt 6

      • Posted By: chindognyc @ 08/26/2008 3:44:53 PM

        go to youtube and type in McCain's comment about not loving America. You will even see the video

  • Posted By: chindognyc @ 08/26/2008 3:22:58 PM

    Oh my god so funny. The lady who supported Hillary Clinton and now is supporting McCain and did a t.v. ad for him looked stupid. They asked her how could you support McCain when he is going to work hard on overturning Roe v Wade. Her reply...."He doesn't want to overturn Roe v. Wade,.....He is for choice." What is she smoking. I know she felt like a dummy.

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/26/2008 9:49:35 PM


      He wont touch it, Roe v Wade that is. He is pandering to the pro-life, but dont believe it will be changed.

      • Posted By: chindognyc @ 08/26/2008 10:21:43 PM

        The Supreme Court can. If McCain get the right people in the Supreme Court, he will get it overturned. Remember the times he come from.

        • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/26/2008 10:39:20 PM



          I will take my chances. . .

          • Posted By: chindognyc @ 08/27/2008 12:07:25 AM

            Trust me, Bush already did one better. If a doctor don't want to perform an abortion, he doesn't have to and nothing will happen to the doctor. You know what that means, the start of ladies loosing their rights have begun.

            • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/27/2008 2:18:12 AM


              There are plenty of doctors that will do abortions. I can see how one may be a doctor and by doing abortions goes against their beliefs. I guess what I would like to know is opting to not do abortions for some doctors . . .does it go against their hypocratic oath by not doing so? I would think if it were a matter of life or death the hypocratic oath kicks in. I dont know, if it includes the right to do selective procedures as long as the mother and baby are not in jeopardy, just unwanted.

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 08/26/2008 8:44:41 PM

    NEW YORK TIMES September 11, 2001

    No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen
    By DINITIA SMITH
    Published: September 11, 2001

    '"I don't regret setting bombs,'" Bill Ayers said. '"I feel we didn't do enough.'" Mr. Ayers, who spent the 1970's as a fugitive in the Weather Underground, was sitting in the kitchen of his big turn-of-the-19th-century stone house in the Hyde Park district of Chicago. The long curly locks in his Wanted poster are shorn, though he wears earrings. He still has tattooed on his neck the rainbow-and-lightning Weathermen logo that appeared on letters taking responsibility for bombings. And he still has the ebullient, ingratiating manner, the apparently intense interest in other people, that made him a charismatic figure in the radical student movement.

    HUSSEIN...YOU HAVE BEEN LYING ABOUT YOUR RELATIONSHIP, WITH THIS TRASH......TELL THE TRUTH......We feel YOU haven't done enough.....

    NOBAMA!!!

    • Posted By: chindognyc @ 08/26/2008 9:44:52 PM

      Hey Roller, Debunked checked out McCain's anti-American comment and has not returned. When will you check out his negative American comment. So far you are scared. You are bringing up Ayers and Rezco and even Sinclair who by the way is in jail for fraud. You won't talk about the possiblity of McCain hiring illegals to work in one of his many homes in Arizona. You won't talk about the real issues. How about the lady who was a Clinton supporter who became a McCain supporter and when asked why would she support a man who will overturn Roe v Wade, she said that McCain is pro-choice. She was duped by the Republicans. She feels stupid now. Talk about real issues

      • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/26/2008 11:53:28 PM


        I answered this question for some blogger last month and when this comment from McCain first got publicized. I saved it cuz I got tired of re-writing it. : 0 D

        JOHN MCCAIN COMMENT: I really didnt love America until I was deprived of her company meant:

        In other words, one doesnt realize how much they love someone or something (e.g. our freedom and protection from harm, etc. that the US, our country, provides to all of its citizens). . . Take for granted. . . until it is taken away from them (e.g. which McCain experienced a major lack of when he was a POW).

        • Posted By: chindognyc @ 08/27/2008 12:05:26 AM

          I can take his comment any way I want if you think about it. The key word was UNTIL!......That is the key word. McCain could have hated America and when he was a prisoner, thats when he wanted to love America. Maybe because he wanted to be saved. The same explanation you gave McCain, is the same explanation we can use for Michelle.

          • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/27/2008 1:54:27 AM


            Yeah, both statements can be taken either way we want to take it with Michelles being First Time In Her Adult Life she is Proud of her country vs. adding in the would Real Proud in her followup speech she made the same day. I think she got more coverage about her comment in the Primaries cuz Obama was less known and of course the anti-america comments that were being shown on the news did not help. But either way, I think both their comments are pretty much moot at this point. They cancel each other out.

            • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/27/2008 1:58:34 AM



              . . .Anti-America comments from her churchs Rev. Wright that were also being promoted in the news about the same time or thereabouts.

    • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 08/26/2008 9:48:28 PM

      The garbage you regurgitate on a regular basis defines you far more than it does Obama. It is pure nonsense offered without discipline for truth, for meaning, for class or quality and obviously is intended to defame someone you credit as being your superior. The fact that you can rationalize repeating that stuff infers you lack self-respect and a conscience as otherwise you would be too embarrassed, too ashamed to continue. It is simply Karl Roveish, lacking class and quality, amounting to dirty politics, demonstrating a real fear of the truth. It amounts to a typical Republican negative attack, hiding behind tasteless insults to avoid honestly dealing with the issues. If you can bring yourself up to offering something with real meaning and appropriate class on the issues, please do so otherwise realize that your present efforts insult you more than they do anyone else.

      NOHolyRoller

    • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 08/26/2008 9:46:18 PM

      HolyRoller the trash is really you and what you present as it is only a dishonest effort trying to corrupt people's thinking. Honesty is not something you practice and the truth would stick in your throat. As low as Ayers might be, you are lower because he is what he is and you are a fraud.

  • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 08/27/2008 12:05:06 AM

    I just watched Hillary Clinton???s speech at the Democratic convention and, as you would expect, was impressed. In my own mind I am still sincerely convinced that Barack Obama will be the best for the country yet I am swayed that there probably is little doubt that Hillary Clinton could have had an easier time winning. Which is saying that Hillary is really better at campaigning yet Barack does sincerely offer better focus on the issues and governing skills; obviously neither would have ever make a bad president. In contrast, I am strongly impacted with the feeling that the Republicans basically are currently just literally a real fraud. I???m not saying that every Republican is a fraud but I am saying that I am struck with the feeling that as a party they only represent a few Americans, that they are grossly dishonest and that they arrogantly have no hesitation to just take care of only their own personal interests. This country???s history is built on the achievements of both parties but there have been times when one party was needed to take control and literally stop the other from hurting this country ??? I think that is where we are at now. I was a registered Republican for many years and believed that the best government was the least government and that government should only do for the people that which they can???t do for themselves ??? but today those principals have been used to hide a concentration on neglecting government???s responsibilities and on focusing on benefiting only a select few. The Republican Party has aggressively and arrogantly undertaken to try to control and manipulate public opinion for their own purposes, not with fact and honest presentation of their positions but rather with subterfuge and dishonest attacks against anyone who confronts them. If they continue to be successful, the country is, the people are the real and significant losers.

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/26/2008 10:35:56 PM



    I had to take a double take on these stats. . . .Hillary should bump it up quite a bit tomorrow after her speech tonite. Michelle , if anything, it looks definitely did not help.


    GALLUP POLL

    McCain - 46%

    Obama - 44%

    http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx


    Rasmussen Reports
    August 26, 2008

    McCain - 44%

    Obama - 44%

    With Leaners:

    McCain - 46%

    Obama - 46%

    Yesterday, with leaners, Obama had a three-point advantage over McCain . . . NoMichelleBounce today.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

  • Posted By: chindognyc @ 08/26/2008 3:57:16 PM

    Fri Jun 20, 10:01 AM Pacific
    FOX excluded McCain's "didn't love" USA remark from transcript
    Update: If you haven't yet seen John McCain saying "I really didn't love America until I was deprived of her company", here's video from Dan Abrams' show including McCain's comments:



    :: :: ::

    McCain's most recent formulation of "I really didn't love America" came in March during a one-hour interview on Sean Hannity's show on FOX News Channel. Here's a transcript:

    HANNITY: You spent two years of this five-and-a-half-year period in solitary confinement. What does that do to a person, to spend that much time in solitary confinement?

    MCCAIN: I think it makes you a better person. Obviously, it makes you love America. I really didn't love America until I was deprived of her company.

    Obviously, there's absolutely nothing wrong with what McCain said to Sean Hannity. (Edit: I put this in bold to make sure people get the point that the issue here is the hypocrisy of attacking Michelle, and FOX News' exclusion of the comment from their transcript.)

    But it does create a bit of a problem for Hannity and the rest of the GOP freakshow, because McCain's comment was essentially identical to Michelle Obama's comment about being "really proud" of America.

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/26/2008 9:51:58 PM



      They cancelled each comment out. Thats why you never hear anything like we were at one time on both comments.

    • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/26/2008 4:41:53 PM

      No it doesn't creat a problem for them because as you have read on these boards and others, they will just ignore anything that is considered positive critique of Obama or negative critique of McCain. if they actually cared about facts would we still be hearing the BS about Obama's religion etc.

      These people do not care about facts only about smears!

  • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 08/26/2008 9:39:41 PM

    I personally am alienated whenever I encounter dishonesty and gross dishonesty totally offends and is intolerable for me, which explains my complete disgust with the Bush Administration. Some may want to argue that last point but it would be senseless to do so, as far as I???m concerned if you don???t recognize that Bush-Cheney-Rove-etal has been totally and grossly dishonest with the American people, aggressively pursuing a private agenda for the benefit of Special Interests and a select few, who return support, both overtly and covertly, political contributions and promises for later compensation, while the administration just gives the average American apathy (remember Katrina as an example), the costs (check the Iraq War) and subterfuge (private accounts for Social Security, Global Warming isn???t a problem, American drugs brought back into the US are unsafe, Bush admin didn???t have anything to do with releasing the CIA agents identity, and on and on) then you currently are and are destined to continue to be a victim. That said let???s move on to simply further qualify my feelings about dishonesty. I recently went back and forth with a poster who wanted me to prove that the comments he was making were false, as he was depending on other websites for his (mis)information and feeling that if they said it, then it was valid. My point was that if it was that easy to disprove, then they wouldn???t offer the criticisms to begin with. No, complete honesty is something you understand internally and individually know instinctively. How many times have you incurred a smooth talking salesman with a convincing pitch but yet knew not to trust them? Usually the recognition comes when things just don???t fit and no matter how hard they explain and even when they try to rationalize it, you just know better. We can literally block that intuitiveness, to our own determent, when we have biases, prejudices or emotional feelings about things and then just look to have our preconceived ideas confirmed. What we need to do is keep disciplined, to be objective, to be rational and to be open letting our unbiased instinct guide us, which we can then trust.

    • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 08/26/2008 9:41:42 PM

      (continuing from above)

      It doesn???t really take much instinct to sense that the irrational garbage (Muslim, no valid birth certificate, influenced by criminals, and so on) thrown at Barack Obama is done simply with the intent to manipulate people???s thinking. The same type of garbage could be thrown at McCain but to date, to their credit, the Democrats have done little of that. It doesn???t take a whole lot of intuitiveness to see that they are trying to sell us that ???conservatism???, as being good, is okay when only benefiting a few and that ???liberalism???, as being bad, is really when the majority benefits. Imagine if that were true and then there could be no programs to help the poor develop, the middle class need not aspire for government to address common problems and only the wealthy should expect gains ??? resulting in the continuation of the expanding distance between the wealthy and all others, which is exactly what we are currently experiencing. It is important, very important that we think, really think for ourselves and check those emotions that get in the way. Good luck to us all and to America as a result!

  • Posted By: josemarti @ 08/26/2008 10:31:42 AM

    Pat Buchanan (MNBC) noted that Mrs. Obama did not mention religion at any point during her speech. I wonder why?

    • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 08/26/2008 10:44:31 AM

      Who cares? She was extremely impressive and said a whole lot with a lot of meaning. Some, like Pat Buchanan, hate to give credit when it is due, preferring to criticize rather than admit the obvious. Many need to get above it and show some class. If someone doesn't agree with their positions on the issues, that is fine, but to find fault where there is none or to criticize when someone deserves a compliment, is not only low class, it is also stupid.

      • Posted By: josemarti @ 08/26/2008 10:50:57 AM

        In not referring to her and Barry's spiritual values, she missed a real opportunity to connect with many Americans. I wonder why she did mention God until the end when she said God bless America? Let's see....Could it be because.........

        • Posted By: raddave @ 08/26/2008 12:00:05 PM

          Could it be because she wasn't preaching in a church, but rather speaking at a convention?

          • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/26/2008 9:27:46 PM


            I cringed when she brought up the word CHURCH in her speech. . . . she should have left that one word out of the speech. It brought back memories of the primaries.

        • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 08/26/2008 12:04:08 PM

          Obviously you hear what you want to hear, even if the obvious truth is different. That doesn't say much good for you.

        • Posted By: summer4077 @ 08/26/2008 11:19:05 AM

          She also would have offended the millions of Jews, Muslims, Atheists, Agnostics, Buddhists, and various other religions.

    • Posted By: raddave @ 08/26/2008 12:31:12 PM

      Maybe because she was not preaching in Church?

    • Posted By: summer4077 @ 08/26/2008 11:18:12 AM

      Because of people like you who keep insisting they are Muslim! Why address those that will never believe the truth, no matter what they say, and who also support the opposition? The night was about positive ideas, not dwelling on negative lies that have been slung around for months.

  • Posted By: Morgan2008 @ 08/26/2008 6:37:28 AM

    Michele Obama's speech didn't convince me to like Obama or Michele any better. As I listened to Michele give her infomercial speech about how wonderful Obama is and why he should be the next president, I kept remembering she is the woman who said she had never been proud of her country before Barack Obama became a presidential candidate. As I listened to Michele Obama tell her life story and stories about Barack Obama's life I kept hearing that "never before proud of her country" remark ringing in my ears, and I thought what an ungrateful person she was to have said such a thing. I also kept picturing their family sitting in Rev. Wright's church listening to their pastor's " God damn America" speeches. Michele's whole speech sounded like one of those late night infomercials that goes on and on about how great a particular product is and what miracles it will perform. So far what I watched on TV sounded like a Barack Obama propaganda movie. I think many people will be like me and will remember what we have already heard about the Obamas and will not be convinced by their infomercial of what they want us to think about them. NOBAMA

    • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 08/26/2008 11:48:35 AM

      Morgan2008: The garbage you regurgitate defines you far more than it does Obama. It is pure nonsense offered without discipline for truth, for meaning, for class or quality and obviously is intended to defame someone you credit as being your superior. The fact that you can rationalize stating that stuff infers you lack self-respect and a conscience as otherwise you would be too embarrassed, too ashamed to continue. It is simply Karl Roveish, lacking class and quality, amounting to dirty politics, demonstrating a real fear of the truth. It amounts to a typical Republican negative attack, hiding behind tasteless insults to avoid honestly dealing with the issues. If you can bring yourself up to offering something with real meaning and appropriate class, on the issues please do so otherwise realize that your present efforts insult you more than they do anyone else.

      • Posted By: Morgan2008 @ 08/26/2008 5:18:09 PM

        To NewsDkDickG: Unlike you, I am not gullible enough to follow someone who doesn't have the experience to lead. I am thankful I have the intelligence and power of discernment to comprehend that Barack Obama has been running a mega propaganda machine campaign pretending he is a leader when in fact he lacks the experience for the job he is seeking. Don't even try to intimidate me into voting for an empty suit. I don't trust Obama to keep his word about anything. I must say I have never been a person to be slick talked and then screwed. I completely trust my instincts in my assessment of character. Furthermore, I will express my opinions whether you like it or not.

        • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 08/26/2008 8:24:02 PM

          Gullible? Such BS!

        • Posted By: sharenews @ 08/26/2008 7:03:50 PM

          I agree. If anyone thinks that Obama is going to start pulling out troops on day 1 (so to speak) with all being out within a 16 month withdrawal you are dreaming. Obama went to Iraq this summer, he saw that the surge worked (but will never admit it); he listened to General Patraeus who had a concern with his steadfast 16 mo plan starting on day one and came back stating he will stick with his plan. He listened to him and came back tooting the same thing (cuz he wants to become POTUS and will go against what the generals are saying just to tell people what they want to hear). So we will go thru now and the GE with Obama saying elect me, day 1 troops start coming home within 16 months. If Obama gets elected I can GUARANTEE you that he will meet with General Patraeus again and the general will say the same thing he said this summer and ALL OF A SUDDEN Obama will say I will listen to the generals and refine my plan accordingly. GUESS WHAT . . .? Troops will NOT start being pulled out day one nor will there be a steadfast 16 month timeline because Obama will have listened to General Patraeous AFTER he gets in the White House. Does anyone else see it this way? It is so obvious. Obamabots are being taken for a fool in regards to believing Obama and his stance on the IRAQ War.

    • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 08/26/2008 11:58:01 AM

      So is it that you and your group are unable to comprehend what you read or hear or is it that you just continuously choose to misconstrue every statement from anyone who supports Obama or any member of his family or anyone that he has ever waved too and then repeat it as fact????

    • Posted By: chindognyc @ 08/26/2008 7:43:20 AM

      Yeah, and it's funny that McCain proved to me he don't like America when he said "at one time, I too did not love America until I was deprived of her company." Don't tell us that Michelle don't like America when McCain said he didn't like America.

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