ABOUT SARAH PALIN:
http://webpages.charter.net/suasponte/
If you really want to know Sarah Palin's history (in detail) this is a "must read". It was written by Anne Kilkenny, a resident of Wasilla, Alaska.
Two former presidential speechwriters critique the convention oratory.
ABOUT SARAH PALIN:
http://webpages.charter.net/suasponte/
If you really want to know Sarah Palin's history (in detail) this is a "must read". It was written by Anne Kilkenny, a resident of Wasilla, Alaska.
Bush made a million mistakes and now my husband is sufferring for it in Iraq. Its time for a change. McCain is another one of the good ol boys. We need fresh, new ideas. Obama's speech last night was hope for all of us military families and middle class families.
"Here Here Bravo..Mr. Obama"..Come on if you are voting for Obama for the sole reason of getting your loved ones home quickly from Iraq you got another thing coming...They are just going to Afghanistan or Russia..Obama is blatantly lying on that promise...There is NOTHING (unless he really is God like you ppl think his is) That is going to bring our military home from these conflicts...Like it or not If we werent in Iraq..He would be sitting in Afghanistan...And I dont hear Obama USING his speech for bringing the ones that are on the Afghanistan front home...By the way I appreciate your loved one serving no matter which conflict it is...Thanks.
Unfotunately for your argument we were never trying to fully occupy Afghanistan. We are Iraq and that's part of the issue. While I believe that we will be sending many people to Afghanistan we won't be using nearly the amount we have been in Iraq. And Obama is also smart enough to know that A) sending people for 3 and 4 tours of duty is killing their want to fight for the US and B) people were much more enthusiastic to fight the Taliban who support Al Queda who actually attacked us than Iraqis who DIDN"T.
Oh yes you are right we are OCCUPYING the world...In a way that should make Dems happy because the (occupied countries) would just be something that could easily be pork barreled or taxed all to hell...Dems love doing that, but use a little bit of the money they are pushing for to put on the budget title...example; "School budget proposal" thats the type of header on a dem sponsored bill...1% of budget would actually go on schools, 89% on bullshit spending that benefits dems/libs, scams, legal issues, hookers, more scams, trips to greener earth conventions on high polution emitting airlines, buying said aircrafts, painting and detailing said aircraft to particular dems tastes, printing books to counter the scams involved in, "I hate Bush for beating us out of 2 elections" literature, invest in fronts to help various dem campaigns for the next election. 8% on promoting reasons to tax us and give themselves pay raises. 1% on materials to get the U.S. citizens to shun their troops for their faithful sevice..Thats the jist of a Democrat sponsered bill..But remember, just because it has the words school, health, G.I. bill, or any other inticing words across the top it doesnt make it a sound bill, or economic plan...read the dem fine print and youll see stuff like funds to paint a fish on the side of airlines, or over $200,000 to teach college kids to watch t.v. (true)..Gems like these are what McCain vetoed, not the G.I. bill itself as others want you to believe..He vetoed it because of the rampant unneccesary spending that the dems LOVE to slip into these bills that have nothing to do with the actual bill itself...P.S. the above percentages were used as an example of the ridiculousness of a dem sponsered bill. So in the end dems should love it if we occupy and stay in our invaded countries...Even though thats not going to be the case in Iraq...Sorry dems!
As a black (technically mixed) professional woman and mother, I was inspired by Michelle Obama speech. The moral authority of the Obama's - that promote American values of hard work, commitment, strive for excellence, respect for all human beings moved me deeply. I am struggling in business and must deal with not being able to get credit, racism, male chauvinism, selfish opportunism. We get weary and discouraged, when we need to be united with our community and work mates to move beyond all obstacles.
I was disappointed in Hillary's speech. I believe her comments during her campaign re: hardworking white Americans and inferences that white America is not ready to vote for a Black or Latino President hurt America. Many Americans refuse to vote for Obama because of his race. Hillary and McCain tapped into that to win an election - when American leaders need to address racial fears head on. This is not about Hillary or Obama. It is about strengthening America.
The comments that Obama is elitist, usually termed uppity ***, is inherently racist. I know because I have had to deal with this so many times as a professional black woman. The bitterness I have felt by some whites who resented the fact that I had stronger skills, and at times got higher pay were made apparent. I am sure non-whites dont want to believe that when Black professionals strive high, there are conscious efforts and conspiracies to knock us back down off of our high horse. But, if a working class white person was to pick himself up by his own boot straps and excel, graduate from Harvard and become a Presidential candidate, that person would be respected as a hero - as he or she should be.
With the obesity in this country, we should applaud the healthful practices of the Obamas. We should all limit television time and try to get our children to read more books. Its about making America a stronger better place; more competitive in the global economy. The stakes are high, and we need someone experienced in life that against all odds can reach the top!
I am ecstatic that America picked the stronger, unifying Democratic candidate and that a large number of white Americans were able to see the bigger picture, and put personal preferences and prejudices aside for the larger good. I too was too young to feel the impact of MLK and JFK during their time. So the people of Iowa are my heroes - they have lead America to change the self-righteous, arrogance of a supposed superior white race - to begin to respect our diversity.
Thank you Michelle for your inspiring words and example ??? that if we work hard and commit to achieve our goals or hopes, respect all human beings, we will succeed, despite hard times or personal challenges. When money gets tight we tend to fight each other, lose our focus and give in to despair. She touched my heart and encouraged me to keep pushing. I thank God that Obama has a strong loving woman behind him. And that he is proud of her accomplishments.
You really need to address your racist view of the world. Your post screams you see the world in black and white. White people really don't dislike you. Some will, but they dislike other white people also. I'm very happy to hear Michelle Obama made you feel good. On the otherhand, reading your post made me feel the exact opposite about how far the black race really has come with race relations. Have you ever considered, just once, maybe the problem stems with you and your person view of the world?Seems to me in you eyes your either black or white, us or them. Just like alcoholism, you cannot address a problem unless your willing to admit you have one.
I am a very hard-working American. And i understand that arrogance, greed and jealously comes in all colors, genders and religions. But, to deny racism exists and that it is an impediment to progress -- is foolish. There are many people who denounce the war, and discrimination of women, yet would vote for McCain! Even if it means that we will be at war for 100 years and that our economy is destroyed. We stopped counting the number of American deaths at 3000, but i never heard the actual number of Iraqis that died. We know that 100s of thousands of Iraqi people have been killed, maimed, tortured and raped (and so have American women by US contractors and soliders). Dont their lives matter too? This war is unlawful, yet McCains says we are in it to win it? Win what? Are we barbarians and thieves as the world thinks of us? If the war is based on lies, why then does McCain defend it? Do we understand the impact on the economy, that the average American is losing their homes, while the oil companies and arms dealers are making unlimited profit? Biden adds the political experience that many claim Obama needs. Why then are Hillary supporters saying they will vote for McCain? When all along Hillary and Obamas political positions have been almost identical? So, you may deny that racism is a factor in this race, but clearly it is. Obama has a lifetime of experience of achievement that goes beyond the electorate. He provides a moral standard that we can all look up to; and is intelligent and respectful of people of all colors, genders and religions. And even after Hillary spent money she did not have to discredit him, he still treats her with respect. We need to put an immediate end to the war and to diffuse aggressive tensions in Iran and other places of the world. We need to set an example to our youth, that with hard work, dedication and fair trade, we can regain our respectability around the world and reinvigorate our economy. I have traveled all over Europe and other parts of the world. And i tell you, Americans are considered arrogant barbarians. McCain will criticize Russia and China, but support the unlawful Iraqi war - based on lies! And btw, who do you think is lending us the money for the war? Foriegn interests, including China. So, it sickens me that a man of integrity is shot down as he is for being an uppity ***. When his policies have always been in the best interest of all American people and his moral authority inspires all of us to become more responsible for the well-being of our families, community and nation.
AMMA:
"And even after Hillary spent money she did not have to discredit him, he still treats her with respect."
HOW? One example please.
We can do this all day but until we address race, they will never accept us. I am convinced and World Leaders are also. Harriet Christian said something on FOX News yesterday on Your World with Cavuto. She said, "if we elect Obama, whites will become second class!" We need to listen to what she just said. That is very serious. I don't know why Cavuto keep having her on his show. Whites will become second class.
We can talk all we want about what is right and that Obama is for everybody, white america will never accept it. They can use PUMA and all this other groups to hide behind, but sooner or later their true feelings will come out. Obama will not become the POTUS and White America will win the battle, but we will loose the war when we fall from one of the most power ful to having our hands out for help. We are doing it already. Whies say that blacks have their hands out, well soon we will all have our hands out once McCain becomes the next President. Russia already said the U.S. wants a war, they are ready.
Correct me if i'm wrong...................but wasn't Obama rasied by his white mother and white grandparents? Why do people like Obama and Halle Berry say they're black, when they were rasied by white people and abandoned by the black people in their lives?
quickly - i have a white mother and black father. but the laws of the country considers us negro, as is on my birth certificate. also while we may be raised by a white mother the white society does not accept us. my grandmother heritage is Czec and grandfather is swedish. they lived in palm springs and they were embarrassed around their neighbors becase we were black. never did they introduce us as their grandchildren to their friends we may have seen in passing. the same is true when they lived in arizona... we were not welcome by the neighbors. Where as my black extended family never denounced us and embraced us welcomingly. this is usually the case. Also, my god mother is white and her husband is black. her italian parents put in the newspaper that she was DEAD when she got pregnant. she never saw her family again. although her white family rejected her, her black mother-in-law took her in as her own. Obamas grandparents are extraordinary. i went to a club in Long Island, NY and when i went on the dance floor the white all moved to the other side. when i went to a construcion site trailer in Houston, the white workers and project managers literally turned their back on me. so we dont have a choice to claim that we are black. and i am an attractive *light skinned* woman. so i am proud to be black, and i dont claim to be have white. because i am not part of the white culture. and i am not excepted by the white culture. so we accept this and live our lives as proud Black Americans. i love my white grandmother, but i also am hurt because or the limits of our relationship. whem my white cousin came to visit her on the gulf course where she lived, she stayed with my grandmother. when i visited i stayed with an uncle in the hills... i dont resent her. and i understand how she feels. and i still love her. you will never see or i have never heard of a black family or community rejecting a half white child. just as in slavery. many slave masters raped the slave women. and the children were also slaves. they were not bought up as white. believe you me.
I'm sorry that happened to you. It was inexcusable. I have a part korean grandchild and she is the most beautiful thing in the world - and children and people are alike. But you have to understand, that when you paint everyone with the same brush, they will resent it and fight back.
Because, once you have black in you, you are black. I know you would rather say that they are white, but they are not.
Kinda like............ it only takes one drop of pesticide to leak into a water well to destroy it? Just Kidding!
Damn, and I wonder why people say I am wrong. Quotes like this really shows that blacks and whites get along.
Remember every race has ignorant people! If my only interaction with non blacks was what I experienced on these boards I would be a very angry women. Thank god it isn't. There are a lot of really great people on these boards but like in any neighborhood the bad people stand out!
Because all people see is their skin color - remember it wasn't too long ago that "quadroons" or people with 1/8 "black" blood were considered all black. That's why they say black - it's what most people (although not all - you see that Obama and Halle Berry are part white) see.
I think race relations will make no improvements until you realize that you are the problem. Statements like "they" will never accept us says a world about how you view the world. If you really wanted to address race, I would suggest the black community look deep into the problems most affecting their quality of life. Once you realize the problems start in the black community and can be addressed most effectively by the black community can we begin the real healing and move forward.
Give me a break. I am tired of sitting back and not addressing the real issue. It is true. Just the other day, White Supremicist wanted to kill Obama because they didn't want him to run for President. Harriet Christian just said yesterday if we elect a black man, white people would be second class. I'm not starting anything, I am just telling the truth.
But you're telling what you see as the truth about us all and that is NOT true. In a free society, we are allowed to disagree. Stop interjecting race into everything and all of us. It's a falacy.
Your candidate has stopped the race baiting. Why not follow his lead?
I just read both of your comments and i agree totally. We only have to look at these boards, at spokes people such as Harriet Christian, the jokes about Obama being assasinated etc. Racism has definitely found it's comfort zone during this election campaign.
Continuing to deny the existance of racisim in America does not contribute to ending racism in America.
It's taken over a year for Obama to proove he is ready and qualified to be president. We've only got 2 months to decide if Palin could be POTUS. The likelyhood of her having to step in as POTUS is much greater than Biden's. What a gamble for the repubs to choose her. McCain just jumped the shark!
Alright, now if you people cannot see that the neocons foreign politics have been a disaster, you must have a brain as big as a pea. The situation in Pakistan, who has nuclear weapons, is terrible and we are loosing the war in Afghanistan which if we loose it, will affect all of us, be sure of that.
We need a president who uses diplomacy to solve world problems, and a president who respect other cultures and has knowledge of other cultures.
Sounds good. Now only if Obama respected the white culture we could talk. Dreams of my father clearly shows us he doesn't. If anything, he resents white people. We wouldn't want to go telling people about his moms race or talking infront of white people about white people now would we. Barrys words, not mine.
Enter Your Comment sportlock what the heck are you talking about? He is half white. Why would he not respect white people. Remember this; White people Owned slaves, White people took Africans land, Indians land, etc.....Didn't your white daddy tell you that? White people need to embrace blacks not the other way around, we have nothing but love for all races.And blacks are minoritys oppresed by majority, you learn that in sociology.
ALLENE
Did your daddy tell you that Obama is a descendant of slave owners not slaves? Edcuate yourself.
Posted By: oklok @ 08/27/2008 15:01:53
Comment: ALLENE
Did your daddy tell you that Obama is a descendant of slave owners not slaves? Edcuate yourself.
You big STUPID IGNORANT FOOL, didn't your daddy tell you that many of us (blacks) are decendants of slave owners because they were the ones raping the women. Study your history!! Oh and you might want to educate yourself and spell it right next time!
FEEFEE Stop the race crap. Obama is the nominee. And yes, his mother's side were slave owners and that is who he descended from. His father is from East Africa. American slaves were from West Africa. And the white man didn't just wander in and take them. Their own people sold them into slavery. None of it makes anything of it right but they are facts. And most families from the south are related to slave owners through no fault of their own. So you might want to read history yourself!!! - starting with Obama's family history.
History? 25% of all slave owners were black. Just the facts ma'am. Sorry this may have ruined your day.
and the other 75% whats your point
You big stupid fool many of us are decedents of slave owners. Remember THEY were the ones raping the women. Study your history!
BLAH BLAH BLAH What race wasn't oppressed before? Grasp the race card realy really hard while the rest of the sane Americans leave you behind. Your a fossil that must remind everyone of shyt you never went through so you will have a ready excuse for your failures. Lifes not easy, and is certainly not kind. I would suggest everytime your treated badly by a white person to consider that every black person doesn't treat you kind either. It's not racism all the time. Sometimes it's just an azzhole. 300 million of them, and they all have their own agenda's.
hahahahaha the white culture hahahahaha. people try to paint him as an elitist and now your saying he doesn't respect white culture hahahaha thanks i needed a good laugh
Here goes the racist again!
Ailin' & Palin 08......HILARIOUS!!!
BRAVO! I was very pleased with Bill Clinton's speech. His words unite diverse people of America and the Democratic Party. What Hillary did not do. Bill Clinton made us proud that he was our president. We gladly forgive any destructive comments he made. We can now chalk them up to say he was trying to win a campaign, but he fights in the interest of American people when it counts.
Michelle, Barack and Biden advocate that we mean what we say and their example follows suit. Even when their opinion could be viewed contrary, they put their positions out there ??? and fight for what they believe is right. Not flip flop to win an election. Sure they will make mistakes, but they admit them, not justify them. So, we know where they are coming from.
I thought Biden did a tremendous job! He made the distinctions of the candidates crystal clear. Now no one can say with conviction that McCain has better judgment then Obama. I loved when he referred to McCains words about Afghanistan. The contrast he made that Obama was right and McCain was wrong, was very effective. I loved Bidens examples of working hard, and words that we may fail, but we should never quit, which is critical to us in such trying times. They inspired me, as did Michelle the other day. I also love his words on the importance of education and making America competitively strong in the global economy.
We have a lot of work ahead of us as a nation. Success is not a given. We need every ounce of positive encouragement ??? not divisive tactics or superiority complexes. Biden said eloquently - every man or woman is equal! Obama and Biden provide leadership America needs that unite us and make us stronger.
The inferences that the Clintons did not mean what they said are unsettling. I truly believe Bill did. But, if Hillary didn???t, it speaks negatively to her character. I thought she failed to address possible consequences of a divisive campaign strategy that pitted Latino against Black, Black against White, Woman against Men, and old against young. Perhaps, she cannot see beyond her own ambition to understand the damages caused in her campaign ??? that may still prevent whites or woman to vote for Obama. I do think she believes in the Obama program, much like hers, but in her quest for personal power, she essentially did nothing to rectify the divisiveness. I am sure she is saying *I dont know why* people doubt me. The fact is Hillary ??? you may want to run again in 2012, fine - but we have work to do now. McCain will set us back another 10 or 20 years.
Obama won the democratic nomination. A large number of hardworking people, White, Black, Latino, Asian, Indian, Black, woman, men, old and young voted for him. No more business as usual. Obama doesnt claim to represent one race or class of people ??? he intelligently and compassionately put forth a call for action that all Americans can unite behind to move our nation forward. Bill Clinton and Biden effectively help to get that agenda acr
If you want McCain to win, keep up the Hillary crap
Point well taken. I am not trying to alienate her supporters. At the same time, look at all the bloggers who say they are Hillary supporters and claim they still wont vote for Obama. it could be that many of them are working in the neocon / Rush Limbaugh conspiracy OPERATION CHAOS. and i could be falling for the trap. We cannot tell who really is a Hillary supporter, or not. Had she denounced Operation Chaos - where republicans joined the democratic ticket on the auspices to support Hillary - when their only intention was to split the democratic ticket and kill Obama's chances of winning. I would trust her more. But, she never spoke against Operation Chaos, or their recruits who joined her campaign and intentionally caused a lot of damage! And that bothers me alot. So when Hillary does basically notthing to rectify the damage of a divisive campaign... well...it hurts progress. Bill to me, did. He was on the Rush Limbaugh show, a none racist conservative. But he has also taken very progressive positions that benefit all Americans, that i respect. At least, after losing - he made a strong and effective effort to bring us together. so, i give him the credit.
Who wants to live in a militaristic society?... as things get worse, when we are divided and conquered, and the rich get richer and we fight over crumbs... As we build more prisons and lose more jobs. when racism is escalated as people scramble to survive... Remember, shen America painted a picture that slaves were evil, and monkeys to justify the barbarism... Do we remember Nazi germany during economically challenging times. There is a danger, not just to non-whites but to all of us - in this divisive superiority thinking that must be neutralized and eventually abolished. It wont happen over night. But, she had an opportunity to set us back on track.
So, we need to reverse that thinking. This is what Obamas campaign did. The stronger and more educated all of Americas people are, the better we are able to compete as a nation. The more scientists and engineers we breed, the more productive our infrastructure, and the healthier or economy... the more long term solutions we can put forth, and the lest reactionary, opportunistic thinking. This issue is not about the color of Obamas skin. After 911 the stereotypes in America were scary to me. I give much respect to the people of Iowa, who reversed that trend. Cant Hillary even acknowledge this problem. Cant she say that yes, it is possible for a non-white to win, and i am proud that America has finally made that leap? Or will she capitulate to the same old thinking? We cannot afford for McCain to win, due to our negligence to deal with the real issues that we want to pretend dont exist!
AMMA:
"I am not trying to alienate her supporters. At the same time, look at all the bloggers who say they are Hillary supporters and claim they still wont vote for Obama."
THAT IS PRECISELY WHAT YOU ARE DOING. She did rectify it FOR HER SUPPORTERS and your words are destroying it. And answer me - why is it her job? She lost right? Her name isn't going to be on the ballot. It's Obama's job. Where has Obama the unifer and transcender of race reach out to the black community to chill out? NEVER NOT ONCE.
Obama needs to close the deal. The Clintons did everything they needed to do. The Obama camp and fans ragging that they didn't do enough prove that Obama can't do it alone. It's Obama-Biden's job. Her supporters don;t come around it'll be their fault. And if you really and truly want to help Obama then continued disrespect of her supporters isn't going to do it. One has to wonder if you care if he wins or if you just want to keep bashing another democrat. She is not his opponent anymore. Wakeup and stop talking about her in reference to Obama. It shows you have nothing positive to say to vote FOR obama - just nasty things to say about his opponents. It reflects superbly on Obama how his supporters continue to present only vile disgusting comments about the opponents.
And finally. Remember that Clinton is the only Democratic president in the last 28years and the only 2-term president in 50 years and Obama's going to need Clinton (both Hillary and Bill) voters to win. Gore and Kerry didn't use him and they lost. Obama has not only not used him he has dissed him in a major way. Wait till you read about the way the Obama camp disrespected them this week. Obama has won nothing. Nominees don't matter unless they win. You would be wise to remember this.
Here is how many true Hillary supporters who are still skeptical are thinking. They are skeptical of Obama because of his thin of experience on a national scale. They admire and respect Obama, and realize he is exceptionally intelligent, and is a brilliant orator and policitian. Hillary really made an impression on them during the primaries with her depth of knowledge on the issues. They are not racist, and get annoyed when they are accused as such. They are men and women of all races. They are and have been moderate, loyal democats for decades, and they feel somewhat left out since many first time voters voted for Obama. They don't want to hear about operation chaos, because the fact remains Obama got more republican votes than Hillary. They don't want Hillary or former President Clinton to be disrespected. They think W has been a terrible president, and they have nostalgia about the 1990s.
Most will vote for Obama. Very few will vote for McCain. Most of those threatening to vote for McCain are doing so because they want Obama and his supporters to better understand them better, and to reach out to them. If Obama and his supporters do so, then these supporters come home to the democratic party, vote for Obama enthusaiastically, and Obama wins. . If Obama and his supporters insult Hillary supporters, Hillary supporters will feel left out by their own party, and will either vote for Obama unenthusiastically, vote for McCain, or stay home.
Maybe their thinking doesn't make sense, but it is a reality, and this group is very sensitive. They are in a dangerous place because they are moderate, McCain pretends he is a moderate, and he is pretending to reach out to them.
The best thing Obama and his supporters can do is embrace Hillary supporters. If they do, in the end, almost all will come around. Most undecided Hillary supporters have their hands stretched out. They just want to be reached out to and embraced.
You have and never will be a supporter of Ms. Clinton. I was. It's impossible to feel one way and act another. Strange that there are not as many McCain supporters feeling the same way considering his considerable faults and demeanor. No, it is not what Ms. Clinton wishes, it is what Mr. Limbaugh wishes. And if you are that remorseless and blatantly easy, go for it.
No supporter of Senator Clinton would refer to her as Ms. Clinton. Not a single one. And what they want from Obama is respect. One sentence about her and one phrase about Mr Clinton isn't it. Without the prolonged Primary against Sen Clinton - Obama would have no chance. This is the first time he has run against the GOP and it hasnt started in earnest.
No, I was and still am a Hillary supporter. Your remarks play right into McCain's hands,a nd are a complete turn off to undecided Hillary supporters. I was trying to give Obama supporters a chance to reach out to Hillary supporters, and all I get is slapped around by the likes of you. How judgemental and arrogant.
AMMA
Your words are truly disgusting. What is the point. You are an Obama fan - no matter what the Clintons did or didn't do - it wouldnt be enough. Here's a clue: the speech wasn't for ro about Obama. It was a direct plea to her following. She outlined EXACTLY why they need to vote democrat. She laid it out to THEM. Obamafans are already voting for him.
I am really impressed with the ignorance of the voting process Obamafans have. There's no sense outlining them anymore. But stop the dam attacks on the Clintons. Besides showing the darkness of your soul - it shows your ignorance. Worse - it shows that you think obama needs help to win. Neither Clintons name will be on the ballot. But when it was they went 2 for 2. Something no democratic president has done since FDR. And what you and the rest of obamafans are doing is not going to change that fact. Think.
Your right! He sounded just as smooth as he did when denying accusations. We should have adulterers giving good speeches more often...Now we see how he wins over the ladies..Smoooooth Talking. In reality he is just a good liar...He really cant stand that Obama beat his wife to the Nom....His and Hills body language says it all...They hate him!..Mrs. Obamas look said it all to...Daggers, knives, hate, hate, hate!
This is not about our personal preferences. Or what we believe peoples individual motives are. It is about the direction that this nation is headed. Will we progress or regress? Wil we respect all people of diverse nationalities, religions, race, gender, age, persuasion as humans being equal, and work together toward a common goal? Or will we promote the superiority of one race over another and tear each other down?
Shall our foreign policy be one of world domination or fair trade? Do we want to live in a time of ceaseless war, or do we want peace? Do we want a military and prison economy, or do we want a productive society? In the short run it seems easier to be a thug or a vulture, but in the long run we only hurt ourselves, our families and our society - right?
Sure, this is a simplistic analysis, but when it all comes down to it - lets really think about the ramifications of the two trends, multi-cultural progression or a military state / fascism? We think this cant happen to us. But, as quiet as its kept, we have more chemical weapons than any other nation. We have more white militia in the hills, then ever before. Gains that non-whites and woman have won in this country, such as affirmative action are being stripped away. Farmers are being crushed, poor whites are living in towns with no new jobs. Immigrants are being scapegoated as the blame for a failing economy.
We are bombarded with survivalist programs on television, where you have to betray your best friends to be top dog! This is propoganda in a subtle form. So i really dont care if they dislike each other. It behooves us all to rally behind a progressive agenda, and move beyond individual personalities and social preferances.
Lets look at the issues, job retention in America, no tax breaks for business who take our jobs over seas, health care accessibility for all Americans, retaining of the American workforce, good education for all children - rich, poor or middle class. Support for our local farmers and government subsidies to build up our ieconomy and infrastructure (because banks and VCs only invest in ventures that bring immediate, quarterly profit, not projects that may take ten years to show a profit - such as what may be needed for industrial redevelopment, transit or solar energy). For your own good, perhaps we should stick to the issues and take the personaliities out of it.
Another great Post, thanks I agree with everything you wrot.
Bill is and has always been a great speaker and he did not disappoint! I completely agree with your assessment of the convention so far.
Once again the Republicans have made a very aggressive move to manipulate voters??? opinions based on emotions, while keeping their positions on the issues out of scrutiny. If the voters are once again, like in 2000 and 2004, swayed based on appeals to their emotions, prejudices and biases or by any single issue and neglect putting full consideration and weight on all of the issues, we could end up with four more years of nothing but more of the same. Imagine more of the same. This country really just can???t take more of the same and voting for John McCain-Sarah Palin, for whatever reason, just guarantees more of the same!
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Dear Family & Friends:
I am breaking my own rule by sending this letter but after being attacked personally and directly I feel compelled to do so. This is about politics and I do ask that you simply take the time to read this as I have no intention of bothering you further.
My wife and I live on our entitlements and depend on my Veterans Administration benefits and now the Republicans, including John McCain, are advocating privatizing both Social Security and VA Benefits. The private accounts for Social Security will likely break the system (affecting everyone), raise the deficit by a couple of trillion dollars and no doubt see Social Security eventually converted to just 401Ks. The VA medical benefits would be all but eliminated, except for treating service connected problems, and veterans would just be given an insurance card. In neither case does it sound like anything near the same level of care now offered.
Over the last eight years we have witnessed the performance of the worst, the most dishonest presidency America has ever seen. There is no doubt that they have been boldly focused on benefiting Special Interests and a select few (action they label as being conservative) who return both overt and covert support, contributions and then promises for kickback compensation after leaving office. George W Bush has even arrogantly bragged that he will pass his father and Bill Clinton in wealth shortly after he leaves office. All of that being done while they simply give only apathy, the costs and subterfuge (lies) to the average (Republican, Democrat and Independent) American (their style of conservatism). They simply label everything they don???t want to do as liberalism, even when it benefits the majority of people or is aimed to pick people up and make them more productive, benefiting the whole economy ??? including the wealthy. They literally try to con everyone, from conservative Christian to the high middle-class, to the Katrina survivors and of course the vast middle-class about everything from their honesty, about education, immigration, bringing drugs back into the US, Global Warming, whether they exposed the CIA agent???s identity, and on and on as it is unending. Check anything they have done or proposed and see who would greatly benefit, what they said to sell it and what it really cost America and the average American. A great example is of course the Iraq War which was falsely justified, has cost us dearly and has only greatly benefited a few insiders. Wouldn???t it have been far more rational to have kept after the al Queada in Afghanistan and then to seek to make a democracy there and in Pakistan? But of course the Special Interest people then wouldn???t have been satisfied.
I've seen your posts before and they are very hard to read without paras.
(continued from above)
The Republicans, after having too much power for too long, have developed dirty politics into their art form. They hesitate at nothing, demonstrate no conscience and aggressively use any tactic, Karl Rove style, with boldness and arrogance. They attack with half-truths exaggerated to sound like something, with total lies forcibly and continually presented, always with anything to distract attention from the issues and slander their opponent, including using 3rd party agents. They seek to appeal to people???s biases, prejudices and emotions in order to avoid truthful consideration of the issues. John Kerry failed to respond in kind to them and lost; now whenever Barack Obama does respond they cry foul and seek people???s sympathy. John McCain has advocated and now demonstrates his full support for and participation in all of this, including his intention of continuing the Bush-Cheney policies. As far as I am concerned, that is not acceptable.
Four more years of this stuff and I don???t know how much would be left. We already have lost the status we once held across the whole world and have alienated allies and even lost the respect of our enemies. We already have a badly declining economy, a humongous deficit, sadly decaying infrastructure, rising medical costs and many neglected problems here at home. We just can???t afford more of the same. I realize you may disagree with me and while I am hoping to have you understand my reasoning and that you will be objective, I really don???t want to argue with anyone. I of course recognize and respect that everyone is entitled to their own opinion and allegiance. What I ask is that you simply rationally consider everything, while maintaining an open mind with blocks set aside, and just listen to Obama???s positions and then make your own conscience driven objective decision. I am simply scared that, like in 2000 and 2004, they could again possibly succeed in smoke screening their way in. And, as I???ve explained, it is just too important to me.
Thank you for your patience and good luck to all of us.
Sincerely,
REG
This letter itself posts only half truths and deceptions. First the privatization part of Social Security is 4% - which as I have posted before would actually empower everyone to increase the income significantly (just using earnings from that 4 %) over what they would get from Social Security to begin with. As for dirty politics and lies.... see the below posting about social security to begin with. Your democrat friends have lied to us from the beginning and have "borrowed" (basically stolen) from it although the promised not to do so - which has put it in such a sad state that we now find it in anyway. The letter was written on emotion with NO research at all.
As for Katrina and every other conceived ill he wants to blame on the current administration, when does the state government take some responsibility? For the kind of problems he talked about such as Katrina, the state has to ask for help (same as if they need the National guard.). Lets not forget that many Katrina victims refused to evacuate even though the government warned them about the storm and potential crisis. They failed to listen, failed to heed the order to evacuate, then blame the very people telling them to leave. Once again, a BIG FAILURE TO TAKE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. And how many shots were fired at helicopters and other transportation means who actually were coming in to help???? Oh how we forget about these types of things and are quick to blame everyone else for our own stupidity.
The letter seems to want sympathy. No where is there anything about what is better off. However, there is a lot of resistance to "CHANGE". Yes, the privitization of a small portion of Social security is a "CHANGE" from what he is used to. Look how fast he was to condemn it before researching how it would benefit him. Then how quick he is to blame the administration for his woes. They tried to help, he resisted and complained and blamed someone else anyway. When will you extrremists wake up and see how dumb you sound?
As I said, I don't want to argue with anyone as I recognize everyone's right to believe what they want. However you are wrong when you say I am looking for sympathy, what I am looking for is people being honest, especially with themselves. You try to pick and choose what to address and overlook the total gross dishonesty demonstrated by Bush and the Republicans, then you try to excuse the apathy displayed by our government in response to Katrina and also ignore something as simple as the conversion to private accounts for our Soc Sec is estimated to cost 2 trillion dollars. Obviously you are totally committed to believing as you do but by wearing blinders and advocating only things that support your position. it makes it senseless to try to discuss things. In the end it is absolutely true that we desperately need change and that should be obvious to anyone who just looks around at the status of everything.
No I am just not so blind that I can't see that it isn't one administration, or one party who lies or deceives. You would want to make us believe that republicans are the devil and democrats are the christ. It just isn't so. The finger pointing and blame game is beyond rediculous. You yourself pick and choose at which topics to address, then you want to avert the attention by accusing me of the same????
Look at the big picture - both sides suck! Neither have been honest and forthright. But to blame the republican side for every ill ever done without looking at how many times the democrats have done so is folly and hypocrasy!
RetiredMarine that is simply a cop out. They are bad but it is okay because the other guy is too, simply is not a good rationalization. It is just like the pendulum swings far to one side and then far to the other side, it is like power corrupts and complete power completely corrupts, and right now the pendulum has swung too far towards the Republicans for too long. I am not so nieve to think that the Democrats are pure but because they don't have the long term power now they have to offer the people better and the Republicans currently are literally arrogant, stubborn and grossly dishonest - they think they can do whatever they want.
and you honestly don't think the democrat congressmen fit that bill as well???
Now you see the puppeteers in action, and I thought only the terrorist hide behind women and children and called foul when attacted, while their psychology is revieled I would suggest fighting the position not the person, We know how he is, he is immoral in what he tell's women to do if they are raped, a scumbag for cheating on his first wife and leaving her when he took an oath to stand by her "in sickness and in health" how many other oaths will he break? and he believes in capitalism over Humanism, He and his republican party have damaged their brand and lost perspective of what comes first, that to me is Anti-Americam, Americans come first, it's their will and labor that made it strong and to have some capitalist sell it out from under us, well like I said that's Anti- American and as for Palin, that person is being used, the puppet
masters are at work.
A true patriot would NEVER say those foul things about a US POW. McCain is anti-American? That is beyond disgusting as well as completely ignorant. Do you realize her family may be reading your despicable comments? What is your candidate's view on personal attacks on the opponent? What you write reflects directly on Obama. After his speech there are undecided voters reading these blogs and all they see are comments like yours and that isn't going to make them vote for Obama. The undecideds want to hear what OBAMA will do - not hurtful, ignorant, self-serving comments like yours. How many potential voters do you think you turned off with your comments - as well as all the others here? What do you want more? To feel better by attacking the opponent? Or Obama to become president? From this it's clear.
Mr. Gerson did not listen to the same speech I and 90,000 others in Denver and millions acorss the country heard. You wrote speeches for Republicans and we're supposed to believe you still don't have an axe to grind? Mr. Obama spoke to unity in the face of devisiveness, but all you heard was the devisiveness. It is obvious you heard only what you wanted to and therefore are not qualified to comment on the speech.
Baloney!
What you and 90,000 others heard in Denver was each other screamng and chanting.
All Obama said was""I" , "I", "I".....
Nonsense ....
To me the speech was a little like a state of the union. It promised a lot of programs including a tax cut for 95% of the people but said nothing about the exploding debt and has we're going to pay for it. If the people are going to get tax cuts what's left? While I'm not a fan of big business, it obama taxes them too much, more people will lose jobs won't they. And we certainly can't do this by borrowing more money from China. They almost own us as it is. I would be so grateful for someone to say, "look, we can't do anything until we get rid of this debt and the threat of Chinese control". Instead we get what we want to hear. Which I believe is pie in the sky. Idealism is fine until it gets in the way of realism. Neither one of these candidates are worth anything. I'm not impressed.
If it is true that Obama will remove us from Iraq there is a ton of money to be saved. Also rolling back Bush's tax cuts as promised will provide more money to enable the 95% to get cuts instead of the 5% that Bush's cuts helped.
Earliest withdrawal would be 2011. How is that going to save the economy right now?
But it is not enough to take care of the debt and tax cuts for almost everyone. If you have a hugh debt in your personal life, saving nickels and dimes here and there isn't going to make any difference. I would love to think we can make everything right but we can't. First order of business, get out from under and we can't do that until we curb spending, not explode it.
Mr. Gerson, I am renewed by your critique of Obama's ho-hum speech last night.
You have returned, in my mind, to status as a fair and equitable critic of what is and what is NOT memorable in Obama's ''sermon'' from his TEMPLE OF DOOM. The other day, when you GUSHED over Michelle's similarly ho-hum speech, I was flabbergasted and disenchanted with your column.
I will continue to read your comments since they appear to have begun to once again be in touch with reality.
GREAT SPEECH!!! I agree with Jon Stewart. Basically he said no mater what Obama does he will be trashed by the pundits. It's clear to me that is the truth. After months of watching & reading every thing I can to be well informed I am appalled at the comments made about Obama. John McCain on the other hand seems to be able to say anything no matter how stupid and no one calls him on it. IN MY OPINION Barack Obama's speech last night was GREAT!!!! As for me CNN is off my watching list forever! Keith Olbermann's Countdown will be the only show of it's kind that I will I watch. Sorry Chris but it's obvious to me your ego is way out of hand. Joe S is clearly another narcissistic run away! In my opinion the guy is a jerk. And please tell me why Pat B. is allowed to speak. Please give the viewer a break and get him off the air.
I would have voted for John McCain in 2000 but that guy is gone. The one that replace him is scary! NO WAY will I consider voting for him.
This is one 71 year old "white" woman (Mom, Grandmom & Greatgrandmom) that will vote for Barack Obama. People read his books if you want to get to know him. I agree with whoever said he is a once in a life time candidate! It is time for Obama/Biden. My heart will break if we get 4 more years of Bush.
GINA PORTER:
"Basically he said no mater what Obama does he will be trashed by the pundits. It's clear to me that is the truth. After months of watching & reading every thing I can to be well informed I am appalled at the comments made about Obama."
And where you the same about Sen & Pres Clinton? They still haven't "done enough" for Obama. How appalled were you about the comments: she-goat, b*tch, c*nt. lesbian, pimped out, 'ho, take the family dog to the vet, or my favorite: IT. Were you appalled as a woman that a US Senator and former first lady besides a mother and daughter was called all of these? How would you react if you heard them say it's time to take Obama out behind the barn? Time to take Michelle to the family vet? Or refer to either of them as: IT? And the man? who said that was not sanctioned in any fashion. If the Obamas were called IT?
So forget the sudden onset of being appalled. It just shows that respect to you is applicable only to Obama. And that says more about you and your candidate than any of your other words.
Watch this video and transpose Hillary to Michelle or Hillary to Gina Porter or your mother, sister or daughter's name. Then come back and tell me if anything that has been said about the Obamas is even remotely close. A further thought: After watching it - remember the claim of Obama that he is a unifier and an above the fray candidate. Wonder why he let this go on without saying stop it like he is about Michelle and McCain's attacks. If you take the time to watch a three minute video - you won't have to wonder anymore why Sen Clinton supporters are angry. And you as a woman should be too - no matter what candidate you represent.
I will check back. Here's the link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcdnlNZg2iM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skIlZflDs9Y&feature=related
(would you want your children to hear this? Imagine if the names were transposed Obamas & Clintons)
The pathetic efforts of Michelle to look like a first lady FAILED...no matter how hard she attempts to look "feminine"...it NEVER works, she looks more like a football player....Now, we can see "what should have been"....The presentation by Hillary tonight will be honest, patriotic, and AWESOME....She looks like a human being with integrity,wisdom, and genuine LOVE for her country....Hey, I heard that somebody said that Sasquatch was missing....I think she may have been at the podium last night in Denver...looked at lot like Michelle Obama.....Her speech was BORING and DISINGENUINE....just like her and Obama....Pathetic effort to look like just a good old gal....Hillary was robbed of the nomination....Everyone knows it, even Pelosi played an important part in seeing Hillary's loss because she didn't want to have another woman to be more powerful than her...what an ego,...she and Obama have a lot in common...Just say NO TO O
Okay...so there is specific criteria for "looking like a first lady"? Feminine is definitely one of your criteria. Tell me...how would Bill have pulled that off?
So...Michelle looks like "Sasquatch" and "a football player" to you. Your comments are despicable.
Tell me....truly explain how Hillary was robbed. You can only be robbed of something if you have earned it. The only thing she was robbed of was her own egotistical expectations. We don't crown kings based on lineage in this country. We actually have a democracy and we vote for our president. She and Senator Obama went through the entire primary down to the last state, and Senator Obama won. Period.
He hasn't won the presidency and if you want him to the comments about Sen Clinton had better stop. When are you going to wake up?
Sen. Clinton lost the primaries, she's now supporting Sen. Obama, and what's your beef?
Yes but not all of her supporters are sold and these clueless posters who continue to bash her aren't helping. What is the point of attacking Sen Clinton anymore if you want Obama to win? People need to be reminded that she received half of the votes cast in the primary and Obama will need all of those and more. And she won in key non-caucus states: OH, IN, PA. Obama got the same amount of delegates from Idaho as Sen Clinton did in winning NJ. Which state is going to vote democratic? Idaho? Only 4/13 of his caucus wins were in blue states. Sen Clinton won only 1 caucus so her equal amount of votes came from real cast votes.
WELL SAID.
KATVAN !
THREATS DON'T WORK AND OBAMA WILL WIN ON THE ECONOMY ISSUE ALONE.
I'm John McCain and I approved this ad.
John McCain how many houses do you have? And why are you giving tax breaks for the super rich? The rest of US are hurting.
Why do you think the number of houses he has mattered? Nobody cares. All they want to know is if he can save theirs. Have you heard of John Kerry? Do you know that he married the 57 Varieties heiress and that he has at least four houses? What good did it do him?
HE HAS GOT FOUR HOUSES AND A WIFE WHO HAS MONEY !
MAY BE HE HAS WHAT HE WANTS ?
KERRY IS NOT THE BEST PERSON.
The house issue doesn't have legs. Cindy Mccain is rich. So what. Obama is rich. So what. Gotcha comments don't get to far.McCain is easy to criticize on issues
The fact that so many keep harping on the number of McCain's houses just shows how pathetic the Obama campaign has become. Anybody who has the good judgment to marry a rich beautiful young woman is alright with me.
What about the one he left for dead.
You are just an evil little girl. Do you realize that her family might well be reading your words? How are your words furthering your man if integrity candidate? When are you going to wise up?
ANYONE WHO HAS THE GOOD FORTUNE TO MARRY A GOOD WOMAN IS A LUCKY MAN.
I asked a older women about the house issue. She says to me How can you lose your house his mind must be going.
Teddy, that is a really ignorant and shallow effort to avoid talking about YOUR issues, whatever bad situation you may be facing, you need to look in the mirror real hard to find the answer as to why you are doing poorly....It is called personal responsibility...SIMPLE ......How many houses McCain or anyone has is TOTALLY IRRELAVENT....I have a cousin, who didn't graduate from high school, but guess what, she got her GED, worked her butt off and owns 6 houses....So maybe you ought to quit whining about McCain and his wife's money...Funny, we didn't hear any of this crap when Kerry was running for President and his wife is simply Euro Trash....with money....he's got houses all across the world....and is especially fond of the one that they own in the Swiss Alps....SO, you control you ability to succeed or NOT.....Nobody is keeping you from success but YOU.....JUST SAY NO TO O
You posted that Michelle Obama looked like "a football player" and "Sasquatch" and now you have the gall to call someone else ignorant and shallow? Are you kidding me?
ICY EYES, IS COMPLICATED.
PERHAPS ! THE CAVEMAN MENTALITY HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE SAD POST.
THE FOLLOWING IS A POLITICAL AD FOR JOHN MC CAIN :
HI ! I AM JOHN MC CAIN ( JOE ? AM I JOHN M CAIN ? )
I BELIEVE EVERY ONE NEEDS HOMES, LOTS AND LOTS OF THEM.
I BELIEVE YOU SHOULD HAVE TOO MANY HOMES TO COUNT; THEREFORE, WHY TRY !
JOE ? DO YOU KNOW HOW MANYI HAVE ?
I BELIEVE THAT THE ECONOMY IS THE BEST IT HAS EVER BEEN ( JOE ? ARE THEY GOING TO BELIEVE THIS CRAP ? )
WHAT ? THE AD IS AIRING: NOW ?
HI ! I AM JOHN MC CAIN.
WHAT ? I DID SAY THAT ALREADY ?
MY FRIENDS ! WHAT ?
LISTEN YOU DUMB SHITS I WAS A POW. REMEMBER THAT !
I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO TALK ABOUT MY CONGRESSIONAL VOTING RECORD.
UH ! UH !
I AM JOHN MC CAIN AND I APPROVE THIS MESSAGE.
While I agree with your Hillary comments, there is no need to make personal comments against Mrs. Obama. I didn't think Mrs. Obama's speech was very sincere either. I heard Mrs. Obama yesterday morning on the Tom Joyner morning show where she wouldn't acknowledge Hillary in answer to a direct question. She referred to Hillary her as "one of the other candidates." However, Mrs,. Obama is beautiful, smart, poised, and shrewd. If you are going to criticize Mrs. Obama, do it on merit not personal characteristics.
It was forced and made-for-TV-movieish. I thought she tried too until I saw her smirking and rolling her eyes. She better learn fast that the camera is always on her and millions of voters are seeing her for the first time -- if only just that smirk.
Michelle Obama seems to repel a lot of people. She has sort of a mean face.
AND RED MEAT HAS A MEAN MOUTH.
SORRY ! I DO TOO.
To Blind ... Mrs Obama looks pretty good to me. And sounded great.... she had me in tears. and those children so sweet and smart. President Clinton was one of the best to me. And I was able to vote for him. But the people want change. No matter what Hillary could have done. This is fate.
I didnt ever say it wasnt an impressive speech...Thats what a candidates speech at a nomination party is supposed to do is sound good..Im sure McCain will give a good speech also...Doesnt mean is wasnt edited or rewrote to sound better than they intended..Facts are his speech DID NOT come off the top of his head IT WAS written for him as ALL speeches are for ALL politicians. Otherwise they would say things and make promises that they cant keep as they wander through a long drawn out made up speech. But if Obamites want to pretend that he came up with this off the top of his head without any help (as some are implying) then go on pretend..Im sure you believe the image of the Virgin Mary on a piece of toast should be worshipped to.
I would never say all. Obama has a history of writing his own speeches although I agree he probably has them reviewed by someone.
I bet Ms. Clinton has a wonderful speech, then blows it with a tongue-in-cheek insult. Then she'll say she was just kidding, then the "victims" will splatter: No she wasn't - all over the board.
You lied about being a Clinton supporter.
Hillary would have been a shoo-in and this divide wouldn't have happened. When you attack an institution and well-loved personality like the Clintons, you turn-off a great deal of people as well and your own party. It just wouldn't reconcile and this lesson of mud attack by Obama's camp will continue to hound him win or lose. He had it coming....Pelosi will also come down to history as the least respected in that position.
Indeed this divide would have happened. In fact, the other 18 million folks (that voted for Obama) would have been just as angry if Clinton had won.
You see... racism was raised... just as sexism was. Don't fool yourself. The Democratic party would have been divided no matter what. First woman- first black. In our party that's a split.
Maybe, but many Hillary supporters were moderates, so the jump to McCain may be shorter for some than the leap to the less expereienced, more liberal Obama
First of all....Hillary Clinton is 100% as liberal as Barack Obama. Their voting records are almost identitcal. HRC is absolutely more liberal than her husband. Her universal health care plan, which is her flagship, is farther reaching than even Senator Obama's is. John McCain is also 180 degrees from Clinton's positions on social issues, like abortion, women's rights, and afirmative action. To imply in any way, that John McCain is a closer leap from HRC than Obama is, is absolutely ridiculous!
Liberal Senator
Obama #1 rating 95.5%
Biden # 3 rating 94.2
Clinton #17 rating 82.8
And as much as he talks about it - Obama has no across the aisle experience in the US Senate
There is nothing ridiculous about my comments. Obama is the most liberal senator, Hillary 16th. Obama's position on the war helped him get nominated, but Hillary's position is viewed as more moderate. If you are not one of the moderate Hillary democrats who is still undecided, how would you know?
Enter Your Comment
You bring up one issue, the war in Iraq, to validate your claim that McCain is more like Clinton than Obama is. The fact is, Hillary has publicly stated that she made a mistake when she voted for the war. Personally, I have never held that against her. In every conceivable way, Obama is very close to HRC on policy and John McCain is very opposite. You may want to vote for John McCain out of spite. If you do so at least have the class to not misrepresent him to suit your position. You will be voting for someone who is totally opposed to universal health care, wants to overturn Roe vs. Wade, wants to privatize social security, wants to give bigger tax cuts to large corporations, wants to block stem cell research and wants to continue pouring billions of dollars into a failed war when our economy at home is faltering. If you think this is the direction HRC wants our country to go than you and I have been listening to two different candidates. At least be honest....you are just pissed and country be damned!
How convenient it is for some of you blind worshippers. "Oh yes, in hindsight I shouldn't have voted for the war". Wouldn't it be nice to be able to make all our decisions using "HINDSIGHT". Problem with you liberals is that you seem to feel that you can use one set of standards for one party and make up your own for the party you support. Was the war a mistake - hard question to answer when you look at the big picture. The world thought it was the thing to do (something you conveniently forget and try to make it out to be a "Bush" thing). Was an oppressive dictator ousted? Yes (and should have been during the first war but some of you wouldn't allow that... (so who is really to blame for us having to go back?) Were millions of people's lives made better by getting rid of the tyrant? YES. So bitch and moan all you want, but some good did come out of the entire event. As for the reasoning in the first place - well that would be for God to judge between those leaders and their intentions. Have you become God that you know the hearts of those involved in the starting of the war? ..... maybe one day the rest of us will be as perfect as you seem to feel you are.....
I wasnt trying to validate Mccain is more like Clinton. I mentioned the perspective of some moderate democrats
she didnt say it was a mistake, she said she wishes she coculd take the vote back. Obama and Hillary are close on policy, but Hillary has the ability to deliver. Who said I was voting for McCain? You know NOTHING about where I stand on those issues,. They are all complex issues and I dont appreciate your compartmentalizing my positions at your whim. What is the purpose of your comments? How DARE you say country be damned! You be damned! How judgemental. WHy do so many Obama supporters have to one up Hillary supporters? Where is the reaching out?> do you listen to your candidate?
The 'jump to McCain' is to abandon choice, peace, economic stability and whatever is left of our world reputation. I refuse to believe anyone who could support Clinton would do that just for the sake of ego.
Not everyone who disagrees with you can be compartmentalized into your nice, neat, oversimplified, insulting categories.
McCain has made no secret of his intention to continue - if not escalate - the direction of the Bush administration. That means attacks on women's choice, increased economic instability and very likely a draft to support immoral wars. Is that whom I insulted? Is that what you defend?
Or was it Clinton supporters that you think I maligned? Actually, I guess I complimented them by refusing to believe that they would be so small-minded as to 'jump' to McCain simply because Clinton's ego was bruised.
my comment about Mccain was regarding SOME MODERATE HILLARY SUPPORTERS.. Insult first, ask later
McCain shows every sign of continuing - if not escalating - Bush's practices and tendencies. If I 'insulted' him by calling him anti-choice, pro-war and Bush-squared, then that's your interpretation.
I actually complimented Clinton supporters by refusing to believe they would be that small-minded.
the problem is a lot of Hillary's supporters are republicans, ; how is that people seem to forget that the republicans were jumping ship to keep the feud going between Obama and Hillary. So the reason some of her supporters are willing to now vote for McCain is because they had no intention of voting for anyone but McCain
Every poll showed that Obama got MANY more republican votes in the primaries than Hillary. He did so becuase they wanted Obama to win the primary, becuase many of them thought he was the weaker candidate.
Something that Hillary and Clinton lovers in general have to understand is that the Clintons are loved by only a small fraction of the far left Democratic Party, "liked" to some extent by another fraction and generally hated by half of the Democrats, all of the Republicans and a big portion of of the country as a whole. So you may rethink the "shoe-in" comment. Of the 18 million people that voted for her for many reasons (much of it was name recognition) only a few are the loud that are making people believe that there are still 18 million that will not vote for Obama, and the cable news love to the story alive, because they found it bring them higher ratings because of the drama it creates. Don't be fooled. Look at the so-called "PUMA" members, even though they are partly financed by republican venues, they made a big noise about going to Denver and disturbing the convention. The last I heard they managed to gather about 100, not the hundreds, or the thousands that they were constantly making a big noise about, certainly not 18 million.
You are presenting opinions as facts. Hillary won over older voters, moderate democrats, blue collar voters, and latinos. Almost everyone who voted for Hillary did so because they thought her experience and abilities would make her a best president. Of course PUMA is not a success, HIllary does not advocate for it. The Clintons are still adored by many across the country. Obama NEEDS HIllary supporters if he expects to win the election;
The Clintons have become a religion. Their believers imbue them with abilities beyond the human. Hillary's "experience" is as a lawyer and six years as a Senator. If you think she was privy to Presidential processes in the White House, then you are accusing her husband of breaking Federal law. There is no way of knowing how many open primaries allowed Republicans to vote for her to keep her candidacy alive. And frankly, I believe the GOP was drooling to have her to run against and then bedevil if she won.
You don't have to agree, but Clinton believers realistically assess their abilities. Polling shows that the majority republicans who voted in the democratic primary (which should not be allowed) voted more for OBAMA. I'm not accusing anyone of anything. Every first lady learns about policy from living in the White House and in Littel Rock.. She wasn't just any lawyer, she was one of the youngest lawyers in the top 100 in the United States. Hillary is a very bright, capable woman, and she has always kept up with current affairs and policy Her detailed understanding of policy during the primaries was astounding. Truthfuly, I think the Republicans are euphoric they are running against Obama, and they breathed another heavy sigh of relief when he didn't consider her as VP
Yes, we can agree to disagree. And yes, Sen. Clinton is a bright and capable woman. But you can't deny that she is a lightning rod for the neocons. Her sheer existence so inflames them that they lose sleep at the mention of her name (I'm speculating!). I don't believe her experience is any deeper than Sen. Obama's in ways that make a difference in the White House. The people a POTUS chooses for the inner circle make all the difference: Look at Jimmy Carter. He was a bright, right-intended man who surrounded himself with fools who derailed any chance he had of succeeding. And the Current Resident is a fool who surrounded himself with dark, greedy, evil people (my opinion) who determined the path of his Presidency. I didn't trust Clinton to pick the right people. I don't know who Obama will pick, but they couldn't be any worse that the people surrounding McCain.
Hillary was a political democratic activist since she was old enough to vote. She was one of the youngest women amongst the top 100 lawyers in America. She is an excellent listener and learner, and she learned a great deal by being in Little Rock, the White House, and almost 8 years as a senator. A year ago I was not impressed with her, but she has shown she is a brillaint, compassionate, informed, decisive leader. She has won the respect and admiration. She has been on the national scene for 16 years.
Bush is an ass. I don't trust McCain. I don't know Obama, and I want to see him do tough interviews and national town meetings. I have not idea who he would surround himself with.
If Hillary is brilliant, it didn't show during her campaign. Must move on.
The Clintons were not adored by all Democrats. The Clintons have always put the Clintons above anything else. That does not mean they have not done any good. I voted twice for Bill Clinton. I think despite his despicable personal behavior, he was a good president. What is does mean is that as long as they were popular with voters and brought money into the party, the rest of their behavior was tolerated. Their antics resulted in a large loss of congressional seats during Bill's tenure and they acted very disrespectfully towards many well thought of Democrats. They were so narcisistic they thought they didn't need them. That, and a very poorly run campaign, came back to bite HRC in the rear end in this primary. As soon as it became plausible that the Clinton's no longer had all the power and money in the party, the Dems not only jumped ship...but did so with glee. No man or woman is his/her own island. The Clintons reaped what they sowed.
P.S. Most Dems in Washington are wholeheartedly supporting Senator Obama now. Who are the minority who don't? Those are the ones who climbled inside the Clinton bubble years ago. They sealed themselves off and joined the Clintons in alienating a lot of other Dems. They have nothing left to do but milk everything they can out of what little time they have left in the limelight. The Clintons are still up to their old tricks with all their self centered demands. As soon as the party can dump them for good...the better.
Most dems in washington? sure. Outside washington? I don't know, but if Obama wants to win in November, he needs to reach out to Hillary supporters, and not just with grandiose speeches. He has to get out there and do tough interviews. I still don';t know why so many Obama supporters are so critical of the Clintons when he NEEDS their supporters.
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Obama is reaching out to Clinton supporters. He has granted prime speaking engagements to both Hill and Bill at the convention. He is publicly supporting her self centered act of placing her name in roll call. Other than not more enthusiastically helping to pay off her campaign debt what more would you suggest he do? HRC herself caused most of the divide in the party by continuing for months running a scorched earth campaign against the man most likely to win the nomination, thereby hurting her own party's chances in the fall. The reality is that after the primaries in the midwest, she had about a 5% chance of winning. Was that really worth all this divisiveness she has caused? Now she acts like she is owed something. Bill wouldn't even say "yes" when asked directly if Obama was ready to be president and they want him to be more respectful of them! You want to know why Obama supporters are critical of the Clintons? How can they not be when they saw what Clinton was willing to do (anything) to get the nomination! Let me remind you that this included amnesia about the Michigan and Florida primaries.
First she acknowledges they don't count and then when she needs them she not only says they should, she attacks Obama for not giving her what she wanted. It was so despicable I was ashamed that she is a Democrat. Sure looked a lot like dirty Republican politics to me. It was then that I knew she was willing to compromise her principles for self promotion. I don't blame Clinton's supporters (outside of Washington) for any of this, but I do resent their willingness to turn a blind eye/ear to these tactics.
Maybe he didn't say that Obama would make a good president, because he doesn't think he will. After all we know where his last known lie led to.
One could argue Obama divided the party by running for presindet before he was ready. obama promised to help with Hillary; debt, he hasnt done squat. Hillary has been tirelessly for Obama all summer, while Obama supporters, like you, trash Hillary. Teddy kennedy had far less delegates than Hillary in 1980 and he had a convention fight. Amnesia? Nonsense!!! Florida and Michigan voters were kicked around like a tin can all winter and spring!! Florida voters were treated like DOGS by the DNC ! Obama did everything in his power to ensure the delegates didn't count, until they didnt matter, You should be ashamed to be a democrat because you hurl insults at other democrats, Blinds eye?? You are completely unreasonable. If your vote was treated like a punching bag you'd be mad too! How short sighted
Who every said the Clintons were adored by all Democrats? Why are so many Obama supporters STILL Clinton bashing? Obama NEEDS Hillary supporters. One could argue Obama is narcisistic for running for president with in adequate experience. It seems like there are a lot more Obama supporting PUMA than anything. A majority of LOYAL democrats voted for HIllary in the primaries. Obama got a majority of the elites and first time voters.
Oh really, what about all of the Republicans that voted for Hillary that were following the instructions of Comedian Rush Limbaugh? They have no intention whatsoever of voting Dem in the general election.
It was Obama who got the elites and the far left of the Democratic party, not HIllary
Hillary has a disapproval rating of 49%. The Clintons are "well-loved" by a fraction of the democratic party, it is a well known fact that many people voted for her because of name recognition. Have you noted that every time that Obama went to a particular locality gained voters and Hillary generally lost votes? Have you noted that a new-comer won? If the Clintons were so loved it was not way in hell that such could have happen. It was a rejection of Hillary and the Clintons as a whole. before Obama came to the scene, people were willing to pinch their nose and pull the lever for a Clinton, but Obama gave them a renewed reason to get involved. Could you imagine the ammunition that the repubs would have against Hillary and Bill and the prospect of letting them in the White House. They were rejected by their own party, and even with the republicans voting for Hillary it was not enough. So, out of those "18-million" there are a quite large contingent of republicans in the mix. Again, I point to the so-called" PUMA people as they gathered 100 out of their "millions". Is that another indication of the real numbers. Another example is that well recorded testimony of the thousands "registered" democrat voters in the Appalachian region that voted for her and said matter of fact that even if she was the nominee that they will vote republican no matter what. subtract them from the 18 million. So I say again, the people that really and truly love the Clintons are the very far left of the Democratic Party, the rest are people that voted for name recognition, the people that will never vote for a black candidate, the republicans in States that have open elections and republicans that registered democrat to vote for Hillary, some women over the age of 50 that took it as a crusade for women rights and not for love or even belief of the candidate (by the way, my Mom is in her 60s and she voted for Hillary and now regrets she had, she confessed that it was partly name recognition and partly because it would be cool for her to have a woman President, once she learn more about Hillary tactics and about Obama she has become an ardent Obama fan, and I wonder how many people are in the same boat). And also, I'm Latino but I been a loyal Obama supporter since the start.
You are speaking entirely for yourself. Of course Hillary's disapproval ratings are high she is not running for national public office anymore. Hardly anyone voted for her out of name recognitiion. You are right, the Democratic elites pushed Obama over the top. Hillary and Bill Clinton are respected by millions. Your Hillary bashing only serves those who believe Obama is inexperience, arrogant, and super liberal. NO, the left wing of the party voted overwhelmingly for Obama. Your racial reference is dismissive and insulting. Obama NEEDS Hillary supporters. They are, generally, (not all) moderate, middle class, LOYAL democrats. It amazes me that so many Obama supporters are still HIllary bashing. What a waste of energy.
It was constantly said during the Democratic primaries that Hillary Clinton is "too polarizing." Which is not Sen. Obama's fault.
I don't know who you're talking about, but we certainly do not lover Hillary or Pelosi. They are both blights on the American landscape.
But the media has gone out of its way to advoid saying anything bad about the first woman speaker. Is this media bias? or PC gone astray?
Something to look closely at is the immensely large ego of this presidential, yet unaccomplished , candidate.
Since when do Americans wave posters of any leader or candidate..Is this China, Russia, Iraq or North Korea? Is this an American or a Che Guarvera type leader? Very scary for someone with so little to show but canbeleader of the greatest country in the world. If he is thatbold now just imagine what he will be like when he is president with no checks and balances and no John McCain to have to answer to for the American people. Just think how many times he has changed his mind with the polls. We don't know him, his real views or what his sorted past really means. How can we take such a chance. We should watch the change we wish for.
I believe your biggest mistake in the comment above is to believe that a person like McCain will be "checking" any presdient in office. Did you see the statistic that since 2004 he's voted with Bush 95% of the time? What kind of checking is that?
This is not the McCain of 2000 who believed in immigrant rights, restricting campaign money and the woman's right to choose. THis is the one who believes that whatever he can say to rally the Republican base is what needs to be said. Even if it means selling his soul.
Igorance is like the pupil of the eye, the more light you cast upon it, the more it constricts. Really, you had all week (and all year) to learn who Obama is and your ignorance prevailed. What a shame.
I thoroughly enjoyed Michelles speech. It was moving and I think to the point. Actually I was very impressed with her. I understand her compassion. The way the media speaks about her being a mean and angry person is because they don't understand her or they wont take the time to get to know her. When you are chosen you are set apart from others and most often misunderstood. Listening to her speak last night about her family and getting to know where she is from and what her purpose is in life impressed me. I actually have made up in my mind to do the things that I have been called to do in the community. I had been putting off things that I know I am to do, being a procrastinator. I saw a lot of her in me last night and it is good to take the positive and use to your advantage. We need to stop being so negative about situations and people and look for the good. Maybe this world would be a better place. When you are not happy with yourself how can you be happy for someone else. I hope Michelle just look at all the NSA (negative self esteem) in other people and let it continue to motivate her to be the best FIRST LADY there ever was.
"let it continue to motivate her to be the best FIRST LADY there ever was."
Not going to happen. Eleanor Roosevelt and Senator Clinton have set the bar extremely high. What legislation has Michelle passed? Sen Clinton passed her first on education reform in 1985 as first lady of Arkansas. And Michelle has a very long way to go with decorum on the national scene. If she were smart and really wanted to be a great first lady she would drop her arrogance and sense of entitlement and learn some humility. She has never been first lady of anything and never made the Washington scene as a political wife. She has no idea about the different foreign cultures and the proper etiquette. Her job is just as perilous as her husband's will be as she will be the Ambassador of the presidency to the world. And she wasn't even close to hiding her disdain for Sen Clinton. Clothes and hair and cute children aren't enough - nor is her education and work experience. Just like VPs have a central role - first ladies do to. She's not close to being ready and somebody outside her bubble better wake her up. She has just as much work - if not more - than her husband.
Your are the dream of all media. You will believe anything they've choreographed and spit out for you to swallow. This woman is a dangerous fake, she is full of hatred and we saw the unabashed true Michelle in the beginning. She's feeding you the cool aid now. Wak up!
You are so full of crap! Michelle Obama must really scare you. It is funny to see you haters get your panties in a bunch when you see a smart and educated black woman that will be a great First Lady in comparison to the likes of Republican First Ladies of past (i.e. librarian, or never worked a day in their live because they inherit a fortune). It is great to see your frustrations come out and drive you crazy. Just think: it will be 8 or more years of Democrat rule with a minority at the helm, it must make you hate life. LOL
Maybe they didn't work because they stayed home and took care of the kids. Are you saying being a mother isn't hard work? What is wrong with being a librarian. The fact that millions of people think like you do scares me much more than Michelle Obama ever will.
Be scared, because you are right, we are in the millions, it is great to see the repubs running to the hills when they see an smart, well-educated woman that does not take any crap from you speak her mind. And lets see, she raised two great kids AND has a great career and at least a master's degree that I'm aware of. Nothing wrong about being a librarian or a stay home Mom, but since it appears that you repubs like to compare CVs...well...there it is. A comparison of the First Ladies' CV. It scare you, doesn't it, it does not fit inside the bubble of your perfect world. be scare, because we are force to be recon with. We are coming to correct the wrong. We are coming for you......Did I scare you enough? Well just giving you what you want to hear. But really, you can't deny that Michelle has a compelling message about her life and accomplishments that is hard to compare by any other Fist Lady, maybe in history. And that is what scares you and the repubs the most, that is why they are in full attack mode, because they are scare and desperate.
You just described Hillary.
...and without Hillary Clinton...there would be no Michelle Obama. Imagine Michelle standing next to Nancy Reagan, Betty Ford, Rosalyn Carter, Barbara and Laura Bush. Not a chance in hell.
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