The Democrats and the Abortion Wars

i have no doubt that Obama understands many sides of the question he was asked. That is precisely the reason he answered the way he did. It has been my experience, in my 63 years, that people who have all the answers very often have not thought deeply enough about the questions.

Population control this is what we need! human beings have been reproducing like rats.. and they need to stop! how many more human beings do we need??? 6 billions not enough for you??? what about 10 billions, 15 billions??? how do you think we will be able to feed, shelter all these people??? We are already runing out of clean water in many part of the world, food shortage will happen more frequently, and lets not talk about the environmental damages. Other species are going extint at a rate never seen before, Just to let you know, we already are the cause of the 6th extinction of all species..It is time for people to educate themselves and stop believing in the fairy tales of the bible and superstitions!

It's a same how the abortion issue becomes politicize every 4 years. We can have these intellectual conversation on pro-life and pro-choice, yet our constitution clearly talks about the separation of church and state, yet the repubs apply this double standard. I don't think the demos avoid abortion issue, this is a very private and senstive subject. Obama's response to the comment during the faith forum go right to the heart, as to why the repubs and or the "conservative" target this point. Obama's point may have been vague or incomplete to most of the masses, but do this really define if a person is ready to be president? Furthermore, we talk about life and when life starts, but we kill and destroy each other lies all the time with guns, weapons,

Voting for republicans because of your beliefs on abortion is certainly one way to go. Those who do may feel they are making the ultimate statements about their moral beliefs. If these same voters feel so strongly why are they not pickiting at inner city health clinics to shame the patients into going home and giving these babies up for adoption. These would just become unwanted and uncared for human beings. Voting is a way to express your views and change your cercumstances, but overturning Roe v. Wade with a vote is too easy and does not show moral strength. Put your life where your vote is and adopt one the many unwanted children already, and then vote for canidates who help you raise this child to be loving and caring for their fellow man.

The principle that 'the laws must extend to everyone' means they must extend to ev ery PERSON. A fetus is not a person. I'm not saying it is not a human being.. that is a semantic or philosopical argument. 'Person' is a legal term, and a human becaomes a person at birth, and that is not at all 'arbitrary'. Furthermore antiabortionsist refues to look at the insurmountable diffculties of declaring an embryo to be a person. For the first two weeks of its existence no one knows it exists.. not a doctor, not the woman carrying it, no one!
The embryo/fetus is indeed distinct biologically from the woman carrying it. Anti-abortionsists think this should settle the srgumant. IT DOES NOT! the issue is about forced childbirth. And as for the reader who said 'any woman who has sex is consenting to childbirth' then presumably he would allow abortion in cases of rape? But most antiabortiionists oppose a rape exception.
Antiabortuionsists refuse to recognize that their stance puts a burden on women which is not only unfair, but outrageous. Yes, women should use contraception. Yes, they should avoid casual sex. But even if they fail in these objectives, 9 months of pregnancy, 70 hours of labor and a lifetime drastically altered is much too high a punishment for this 'mistake'. This was what Obama was talking about when he said that he very much hoped his daughters woul dbehave responsibly, but if they faioed too, forced motherhood was much too great a punishment. Abortion must remain legal.. and no biological lectures are going to change that. This is indeed a legal and ethical debate, not a biological one.

If you believe in God and the immortal human soul and heaven and hell, you probably believe that life begins at conception. There are Americans who don???t believe the same way. (Yes, yes, my fundamentalist friends, I know we???re all wrong and should listen to you because YOU have the TRUTH.)

There are those of us who believe that there should be legal late-term, even yes, partial-birth abortions in instances where the mother???s health will be compromised, or the child faces horrible birth defects.

Further, I don???t consider a fetus to be a child. My view is that a fetus is a parasite up until it can support itself outside the womb, and it should be nurtured or disposed of at a pregnant woman's discretion. (And in some cases, even if it CAN support itself, a partial birth abortion (call it infanticide, I still hold with it) still might be the more humane option. Your argument that a kid with a horrible painful deformation that probably has little chance of surviving past 5 years old has the right to be born and live in agony every second??? it doesn???t ring true for everyone.

It???s a horrible thing to suggest that we force a woman into motherhood who has no desire to ever bear children. Even forcing her to go through a pregnancy and then put the offspring up for adoption is a horrible affront to her civil liberties. With the globe already suffering from overpopulation, it???s time to put your ???be fruitful and multiply??? dogma to rest. Let those of us who don???t buy into your beliefs opt out of the reproductive cycle and self-extinguish. Leave abortions legal. Repeal the ban on partial-birth abortions.

The issue they are dodging is much more fundamental than abortion.Their crazed supporters in pressure groups like Planned Parenthood make no distinction between abortion and infanticide and Democrats like Obama are their prisoner.The idea that a baby who has survived the abortion process should be denied medical attention or have its brain suctioned out is repulsive and so are the Democrats who promote these atrocities

Dems choose Obama in thunderous acclamation
Yahoo News by David Espo, AP Special Correspondent Wed Aug 27, 7:18 PM ET

Clinton's call for Obama to be approved by acclamation ??? midway through the traditional roll call of the states ??? was the culmination of a painstaking agreement worked out between the two camps to present a unified front.


My commentary:

So, democrats, in order to portray a false unification, schemed to allow politics to trump the democratic process.

And they are insulted when people don???t refer to them as the democrat(ic) party!

Yes, the truth is offensive to the democrat party!

Neither the legislative nor judicial branches or government have the authority to abridge the reproductive choices of women. The catholic church does not have the moral authority to impose its hypocritical sanctity of life doctrine on women either as it has been used as a tool of patriarchal oppression of women for over two thousand years while tyrannical heads of tribes or nation states have engaged in endless holy wars committing acts of genocide, murdering innocent women and children who actually exist as human beings outside of the womb. Ask the tens of thousands of innocent children who have been killed in Iraq if they wanted to live , would they have said no? Did these children have a choice? Are their lives just as valuable as the life of an American citizen? Why is it that the media does not show the christian majority population of the United States the reality of war and the loss of innocent lives through pictures and stories from the families who have experienced this horror?

I can hardly imagine that aborting a fetus, (which although may be a living organism in a biological sense is not a full fledged, developed human being), would be regarded as murder compared to the example presented above.

In addition, we have a grave problem with overpopulation that places stresses on the natural environment. The continued growth of worldwide populations will exacerbate the ecological problems we are faced with currently. Global warming is just one of our ecological crises the other is the continued growth of human population groups. Women are central to curbing overpopulation around the world using various family planning- reproductive strategies which must include the choice of abortion. But men should and can assist by obtaining vasectomies and other technologies that are innovated by scientific discovery. Abstinence alone does not work, and it is not natural to humans.

In conclusion, a woman who chooses to obtain an abortion is not in violation of any spiritual or natural law because the woman is the divine embodiment of creation and has the power over life and death. Whether the woman chooses to bring forth life or not has no bearing on her morality. In fact, she would be working in cooperation with nature to regulate the species of the planet understanding that in the natural world there are limits to natural resources. As as biological organism we ought to comprehend that everything has a life cycle and that death and life are merely part of the same continuum. However, deliberately killing innocent human beings that exist outside of the womb in wars of conquest and for territorial expansion is the real moral issue, but is correlated to overpopulation and societies where males seek to control the female's reproductive choices.

Pelosi and Obama , with Biden are running for cover! Biden shed his alligator tears! This ticket is entirely Left-Wing and it don't care about life. Biden allowed crime and violence until Americans grasped his views of gun control. Until we agreed with Biden we would be stabbed, beat raped shot and broke into, or so that was his plan!
( Luckily the states took unilateral anti- crime measures!).
Why should Biden care about the innocent victims of abortion or street crime when the leftist, radical view is revolution must come threw violence!
Ask Bill Ayers, the domestic terrorist! Abortions victims, street crimes victims?We're all just the bleeding fodder of the attainment of weird world views entertained by losers and friends of Obama.

NEW YORK TIMES September 11, 2001

No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen
By DINITIA SMITH
Published: September 11, 2001

'"I don't regret setting bombs,'" Bill Ayers said. '"I feel we didn't do enough.'" Mr. Ayers, who spent the 1970's as a fugitive in the Weather Underground, was sitting in the kitchen of his big turn-of-the-19th-century stone house in the Hyde Park district of Chicago. The long curly locks in his Wanted poster are shorn, though he wears earrings. He still has tattooed on his neck the rainbow-and-lightning Weathermen logo that appeared on letters taking responsibility for bombings. And he still has the ebullient, ingratiating manner, the apparently intense interest in other people, that made him a charismatic figure in the radical student movement.

HUSSEIN...YOU HAVE BEEN LYING ABOUT YOUR RELATIONSHIP, WITH THIS TRASH......TELL THE TRUTH......We feel YOU haven't done enough.....

NOBAMA!!!

Oprahma; the great baloney slicer. He will say, do, promise, zig, zag, jump up and down to get himself elected. He doesn't care what issue or what other person he has to 'throw under the bus' to get himself elected. Oprahma supporters obviously are easily tricked. Gee, wonder why we haven't heard or gotten any video tapes from that slimball osama bin laden in the last several months...let me think....

On a scale,, one side being a women that makes the decision that she will not be able to take care of her child and ends her pregnancy; on the other side a woman worrying everyday that her child will not come back from the war and if they do come back they will not mentally adjust back into society.

One side a woman that will forever regret the decision she made but learns from it and is motivated to better herself so she will never have to make that decision again; on the other side a woman worried that even though her child survived and is coming back home from the war; there is the possiblity that they will be redeployed again because the war is not over yet..

The choice becomes do care for a fetus that the mother did not want above my own chid whom I love dearly. This will not pertain to you if you add 8 years to your child and they are sitll under 18, otherwise it does.

If you STILL prefer someone elses unwanted fetus over your child,, choose McCain..

I am one of tens of thousands of religious leaders who are pro-faith, pro-family, pro-choice, pro-full inclusion, pro-marriage equality, pro-women's rights...and I believe with all my heart and being the words of the Religious Declaration: that "sexuality is God's life-giving and life-fulfilling gift" and that we all have the right and the obligation to celebrate our "sexuality with holiness and integrity."http://debrahaffner.blogspot.com

BAMBI BUILDS BUCHENWALD

BAMBI stands up and say's, I am the one who voted yes to the born alive bill-I was the chairman and voted yes to save the children-he is a liar .He was question on this bill and his day camp said no, that bill was not the same. All three were the
same and BAMBI votes to inject multiculturalism into the U.S. with all diabolizing elements.

The Socialists knows the Bible better than America when they strive for, ??? A HOUSE DIVIDED CANNOT STAND???



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIdbYjmbFzo

http://www.nrlc.org/ObamaBAIPA/ObamaCoverup.html

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=p7zsxXnNldU

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=SAgu0gUODKU&feature=related

IS AMERICA THAT ELITIST, THAT WE CAN SCOLD HITLER FOR WHAT HE
HAS DONE TO HUMAN LIFE, WHILE WE HERE IN AMERICA SLAUGHTER LIFE IN THE VERY
PLACE WHERE IT BEGINS?

WHAT IS THE MODUS THAT GRIPS A FEMALE//POLITICIAN TO COMMITT//SANCTION THE ACT OF HUMAN ABORTION?

http://www.bio-medicine.org/medicine-news/Induced-abortion-results-in-years-of-trauma--6221-1/

The right wing conservatives wont be happy until all of our rights are taken away and no one has any personal freedoms. McBush and the McBushites are all fascists hiding behind the mask of democracy. They are everything they claim not to be, it is suprising how people are still fooled by these idiots.

If Roe v. Wade is to be overturned it would mean half our population admitting they???ve supported and taken part in the murder of innocent children. On a religious point of view there is forgiveness readily available through Jesus Christ. I have nothing against any woman who has had an abortion due to the lies and deceitful push of this excepted practice. (I'm a mother by the way.) If this could ever happen we could focus more of our attention to teaching abstinence in schools and portraying healthier lifestyles on television and movies instead of rampant casual sex. Realistically we could also work harder to prevent unwanted pregnancies by providing easier access and encouraging the use of contraceptives and other forms of birth control that prevent the egg from being fertilized. I also believe if we were a society that did not perform abortions this itself would promote responsibility among couples and would reduce the amount of unwanted children coming into the world. Who's to say that every child (that has been aborted would have been worthless to society anyway? Because of abortion how many doctors, artists, hardworking taxpayers, and great leaders don't exist today? Obama himself was not born into a perfect environment.
It's mind boggling how Obama (who himself was not born into a perfect environment) can call himself a "Christian" and be who he says he is and still be such a staunch supporter of gov. funded abortion on demand. Makes me wonder who is really pulling the strings here?

Abortion kills on average 46,000,000 children a year! Numbers compiled by the Alan Guttmacher Institute, the statistical wing of the largest and deadliest abortion institution in America, Planned Parenthood. Do a google search on Margaret Sanger the founder of planned parenthood. Click on the first link that shows up! You will see what her purpose was for abortion.

Roe v. Wade----we must never forget how this ruling was accomplished. We know it was done by using fraudulent facts, and a perjured rape testimony. It was furthered by the lie, given to expectant mothers, that what is in their womb is not a baby. This coupled with the lie that abortion has no negative consequences for women, these lies have been told millions of times over.

I think Democrats should flip this issue on Republicans. The majority of Americans are pro-choice. I say, go ahead Republicans and overturn Roe vs. Wade. Leave it up to the states to decide. Most states would vote to keep some access to reasonable medical procedures and it would be the worst thing to ever happen to the Republican party because they couldn't use the issue every 4 years. Call their bluff. The whole abortion issue is a paper tiger.