The Anti-Cheney?

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  • Posted By: valark @ 08/28/2008 3:04:19 PM


    When you talk about Biden and his integrity, I wonder how you excuse the issues that he has had in the past, notably the plagiarism and things like that. I am not looking for a fight, I am just curious as to if its just selective attention to actions, or if there is a reasoning used to excuse his behavior.

    Please, also, if you don't know the whole story, please read about it first. He didn't just copy a line from someone else's speech, he copied their personal history and values and basically directed the pronouns in the original speech to himself and his family. So it is a bit disturbing on that level.

    I am also curious as to him giving advice how to have conversations equates at all to foreign relation skills when it is a known issue that he wanted to segregate and divide the populace based on belief and ethnicity.

    Again, not looking for a fight...would like a thoughtful answer if anyone is at the computer and has the time. A lot of times if you just plainly state your case, it helps someone like me see things in a different perspective. I am not looking to debate or decide if your beliefs are right or wrong, I just want to hear them without all the anger chatter that derails 95% of the posts here.

    • Posted By: reinadelaz @ 08/28/2008 4:39:40 PM

      As for the speech he lifted from the Brit, there were several times in which he gave that speech and cited his source before the one time he gave it and did not. As for the segregation of Iraq, iti is a common sense approach, as religion and ethinicity is exactly what these people are fighting over. Perhaps it oversimplifies the problem, kind of like sending squabbling children each to their own rooms. If you cannot or will not get along, just stay away from each other. Iraq is a mess, though, because Bush/Cheney would not follow Biden's call to leave Saddam Hussein in power. Bush Sr. did this in the 90's because he, like Joe Biden, understood that it took a brutal dictator to keep the factions from killing each other. Hope this helps you see things my way :) Obama/Biden 08

  • Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 08/28/2008 3:40:25 PM

    Dunno. There is ''Plagerizing Joe'' Biden. And there is ''My IQ Is Better Than Yours''Biden. And there is ''I Lied About My College Graduation Standing''Biden. Then There is ''Regular Roots Scranton''Biden. Then There Is ''I Collected Millions From Credit-Card Companies''Biden. Then there is ''Tough No-nonsense My Own Guy''Biden. Then there is ''I Doled Out Over Three Million In Taxpayer Pork Money To My Own Son'' Biden. There is also ''The Catholic Church Doesn't Know What It Is Talking About''Biden,followed by the ''I Don't Know What I Am Taking About With Regards To The Catholic Church''Biden. There is the ''Convention Speech Illinois Citizens Get the Best Tax Breaks''Biden. Then there is also ''But I Did Not Mention That Illinois Citizens Pay the Highest Sales Taxes In America''Biden. ''Humble Roots''Biden. Or ''Fatcat''Biden. You pick. These places will help you decide.

    The Center for Responsive Politics www.opensecrets.org ''Biden,Joseph''[Campaign contributors]

    PORKBUSTERS www.porkbusters.com [Biden,Joseph. Pork monies to above campaign contributors].

  • Posted By: RO in Reno @ 08/28/2008 11:28:39 AM

    The sign of a good manager is one who hires people who are smarter than himself, not that Obama is a dummy by any stretch of the imagination.
    But the selection of Biden is brilliant.

    The fact is Cheney has put his own economy above and beyond anything else, did you not notice Cheney's income in 2006 was 1.6 million and 3.2 million in 2007 and that would not include the dollars from Iraq that went through Dubai to the Caymans tax free via KBR or future payouts as a result of his efforts in favor of the oil companies.

    That we are going to have both a president and a vice president not just with intelligence and a common sense approch, but a Vision for America is exciting.

    Yes Biden is indeed the very opposite of Cheney.

    • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 08/28/2008 12:53:57 PM

      does that mean that the both of them will be screwing all of us ?

  • Posted By: Galasso @ 08/27/2008 8:29:36 PM

    You have to chuckle at Romney's repeat of a description of Biden from the past. When asked if he thought Biden would be a formidable debate candidate (if Romney is the pick) - he said Biden has been described as "an impenetrable thicket of words". Biden rarely has a private thought, but he is the logical keel of stability if the country elects someone as radical and idealistic as Obama.

    • Posted By: loriw @ 08/27/2008 11:12:13 PM

      Between Biden's "impenetrable thicket of words" and Obama's "nuance" (read- shell game with words)
      the debates should be pretty entertaining. McCain is going to run circles around Obama just like he did at the Warren forum.
      "Tell me words don't matter" ???
      They do when we see that they contradict themselves.

      • Posted By: max in fl @ 08/28/2008 10:42:54 AM

        Is McCain still running? I'd buy walking circles around while Obama was tying his shoe laces..

      • Posted By: jnakhoul @ 08/28/2008 8:38:06 AM

        it was a forum not a debate, only you republicans are stupid enough to think you can win a forum which was supposed to expose people to the candidates ideas about useless issues that conservatives lose sleep over

  • Posted By: loriw @ 08/27/2008 11:04:57 PM

    Hah hah hee hee, Biden doesn't remember who is on the ticket he is running against!
    Freudian slip? Doubt it!
    Senior moment, probably.
    This is going to be Obama's right hand man if Obama wins in the 57 states?
    And this is the person Obama is going to depend on to run his foreign policy? He would probably call Putin ..Kruschev.

    • Posted By: max in fl @ 08/28/2008 10:23:41 AM

      It appears only some of us got it.

    • Posted By: wildlifeusa @ 08/28/2008 12:28:40 AM

      Please can you spare us your lies and ignorance?

  • Posted By: katiec @ 08/28/2008 10:17:09 AM

    It is an insult to Joe Biden and the Democratic Party to dare to compare them with Cheny.
    He has been the one pulling the puppet's strings these last eight years.This wil not
    happen once the Democrats are in.
    He, Bush and Mccain with his undying support have almost destroyed our country.
    Barack Obama and Joe Biden are honorable men.
    Cannot say the same for the three mentioned above.

  • Posted By: klebrun @ 08/27/2008 8:29:49 PM

    Cheney will continue to be a political powerhouse as the front man for the oil industry, military suppliers and the right wing business community. It is inconceivable that this power hungry right winger will willingly give up anything just because he has lost the title of VP.

    With McCain averse to getting involved in the details, he will be dependent upon his handlers for the information that he receives concerning foreign and domestic issues.

    Cheney, as Bush's handler, is reported to have fed Bush only the information that Cheney wanted Bush to have.

    Given Cheney's position of power amongst the financially powerful, it is very conceivable that Cheney will end up controlling McCain's handlers and that Cheney will contnue to effectively call the shots in a McCain presidency.

    • Posted By: Galasso @ 08/27/2008 8:50:34 PM

      That will never happen - you obviously do not know the history between these two.

      • Posted By: klebrun @ 08/28/2008 8:58:19 AM

        And you don't know the power that Cheney has and the disconnect that McCain has.

  • Posted By: emmarcee @ 08/28/2008 8:52:59 AM

    Forign Policy BS!!. when we are distracted Bidens people (jusyt like Cheney) will be skimming money from the markets.. Now , you can open your eyes. Just think who is behind Obama machine?.. there are forces trying not to sink.. (fiancial.. who will like to get more support from govt).. Obamas machine did all the fund raising under the radar... as "bundlers".. This is disgusting.

  • Posted By: woohoo @ 08/28/2008 7:47:37 AM

    if it wasn't for two chances to make history-first black pres and first woman pres-biden would have been the nominee. hands down.

  • Posted By: Cashew @ 08/28/2008 5:08:44 AM

    iI believe Biden is perfect for this position. Obama said he wanted a VP that would have the same goals as he, but be strong enough to stand up to him when he is making a mistake. He said, "Tell me when I am wrong."

  • Posted By: 8yearsoffear @ 08/28/2008 2:20:41 AM

    Mc Cains judgement? What judgement?

    - Cheated on his injured wife after car accident
    - Left her and his kids for another younger woman.
    - Received a marriage license before he was divorced from his first wife.
    - Married current wife 1 month after divorce.
    - Keating five!
    - Quotes-??? The economy is fine!???
    - Quotes-"Nobody supported Bush more than I have"
    - Did not know how many houses he owns.
    - He Voted for Irag war.
    - He said we would be greeted as friends?
    - ???I'm POw I'm A Pow POw Pow POw POw POw Pow Pow!??? How many times do we have to hear this?

    Wake up people! Please don???t fall for the same crap again!

  • Posted By: loriw @ 08/28/2008 2:16:05 AM

    Check out the Obama Anthem on Glennbeck.com or on Youtube.
    funniest thing I have seen since the JibJab video.
    Russian national anthem with the words changed.

  • Posted By: Dustin18 @ 08/28/2008 1:42:33 AM

    What a great question. There is no comparison. Dick Cheney is the biggest jerk. Joe Biden is an excellent
    choice. Cheney is a sick, tired old man, he has no spunk, he never did, he is as bad as Bush.
    GO OBAMA/BIDEN!!!!!!!!!

  • Posted By: wildlifeusa @ 08/27/2008 11:27:01 PM

    Listening at John Kerry's speech, it baffles me how could anyone could have voted for a man like Bush!! It is mind boggling!
    Kerry's intellect is so MUCH above bush's.
    Democrats are so right on so many things!! THIS IS THE 21ST CENTURY PEOPLE, NOT THE 19TH!!

  • Posted By: uturner @ 08/27/2008 8:58:08 PM

    There could be a difference of character between Biden and Cheney, but it is not a fundamental difference. When it comes to serious things, they are pretty much the same. They both support aggressive US foreign policy and both represent the interest of the military-industrial complex. Biden quickly sided with the administration hawks on punishing Russia for its Georgia transgressions. If it goes on like this, there will be only cosmetic change in the US foreign policy under the Obama-Biden administration. The war in Iraq will end, but it will be replaced by confrontation with Russia. That is, more of the same: overblown military budget at the expense of increasing the national debt, burdening the economy, and lowering living standards of an average American.

    The real change that Americans expect from Obama should be a radical departure from the current foreign policy. Ending the wars, mending fences with Russia, and, with Russian cooperation, solving the Mid-Eastern problem. Diverting taxpayers money from fat cats at Northrop and Raytheon to solving energy and environment problems, creation of jobs, fixing medical care and education.

    But Obama's choice of a hardened cold warrior as his VP makes all this highly unlikely.

  • Posted By: C. MacLean @ 08/27/2008 7:22:28 PM

    Of course Biden won't revert to the old VP role. He's too talented a man to waste in such a way.

    And Obama won't ask him to.

    A true leader gathers as many sharp advisors around him as possible. A true leader doesn't have to have all the answers - he just needs to know where he can find them. I believe Obama when he says he doesn't want a 'yes' man - and he certainly doesn't have one in Biden.

    Obama can feel quite competent about his foreign policy insticts and still seek out other wise opinions. In fact, a person who is confident in his ability is more likely to feel comfortable with feedback and input - only the insecure avoid discussion and challenge. (Just like Bush the Younger avoiding the advice of both his father and Colin Powell, because he couldn't stand to hear from others who didn't see it his way).

    Many have praised Governor Schweitzer of Montana for his speech last night, correctly noting that he has many intellegent things to say about energy. Obama has gone to Montana no less than 4 times - 3 electoral votes are not the main prize there; Schweitzer's expertise is.Kudos to Obama for seeking him out.

    One of the most telling comments LBJ had about a young (read: inexperienced) president Kennedy was the depth and breadth of the advisors around him. That lesson hasn't been lost on Barack Obama.

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