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Good morning. Comments abound here, but no solutions. A flat income tax solves the problem. Somewhere I read where that a flat tax of 15% does the trick. Bottom line everyone, our demo and repub leaders can't figure it out. A true change I would like to see for the next 12 years is a true three party system, and yes, we would have to level the playing field for the third party. The demo's and repub's need a competitor.
hers is the bottom line for both sides: with very few exceptions, people making more than 250K a year have made the choice early on to get to that level - and they worked hard and sacrificed to get there. they deserve those rewards. if you don't make 250K or more and think you deserve it, then work towards it: this is the land of opportunity and I promise you that if you pay the price, you get the rewards. both sides should stop bitching. it is about personal choice and acecpting tradeoffs.
hahahahahahahahahaha!!!
what planet do you live on?
oh, that was hilarious!!!
they worked 'hard' for their $250k a year!!!
when you are in the top 2%... it's not because you work hard... it's because you know how to whip other people to work hard for you.
period.
find me anyone who earns $250k a year and works harder than people earning $32k a year.
that person doesn't exist.
you don't know what you are talking about.
if you made $250k a year... you wouldn't be commenting on a Newsweek article
You are a complete moron. move to Russia comrade. its lazy people like you that want hand outs.
Your Mercedes is 4 years old. I deeply, solumnely feel sorry for you. It must be hard to get up in the morning knowing that. You really need a break in life. You know, I heard your neighbor's might even get a new Rover to park in the 5 stall garage. Oh the humanity! Life is so unfair. Don't worry, things will look up. For the time being, you can spend the weekend on your tiny 40' yacht to make yourself feel better.
Again, the "rich"/"not rich" debate is a smokescreen thrown out by the likes of the author and AntonBursch. The real question is, why should my wife and I with a combined income of $170k/yr pay a higher percentage of our income than a household that makes $30k/yr? The answer seems to be that it's because we can. This is an answer not rooted in reason but in emotion. We have our politicians to thank for rallying AntonBursch and his ilk to the by playing on their short-sighted views on what it is to be human. FO course the politicians don't really care about the "little guys" . . . they just want to mobilize them to gain power.
Thank you AntonBursch for laying bare the essence of your philosophy. Make no mistake, you are the thug and part of the mob that will take what you FEEL you are owed if you are unable to extort it first. You are like the politican, the victim, the preacher who instead of striving to actually add value to society are instead threatening those you do. Bravo!
If you make 250K a year and you don't feel pretty well off, then you need to manage your money better.
AntonBursch, your comments about McCain may be right but I take great offense about how people who make 250K don't work hard. I work 13-14 hours a day 6 days a week. At the office, not at home. I take 2 or 3 days of vacation....every other year. I'd bet that you do just enough to keep your job all the while complaining that you haven't gotten a raise in over a year, and about how the boss makes all of the money.
I earn nearly that amount, I live in Ct, one of the wealthiest towns in Ct, and I am NOT rich. yes, I have a nice house, 2 new cars, and I want for little...but rich, i think not. Rich is liquid, rich is buying whatever you want whenever you want. Rich is millions, at least in this country. They say you can't retire on 1m anymore, guess what, they are right, you can't...250k, lets say someone gets lucky and makes that in one year but 100k every other year. Does that make them rich? Again, it doesn't. 250k is a lot of money, but after gas, mortgage, kids, schools, food, cars, and everything else, whats left. 250 is what it take to have a good life nowadays, which is sad sad sad. it was rich 15 years ago, now it's no big deal!
I would say that someone that makes $250k may not be a Donald Trump but they certainly are not left wanting. They are able to fufill their needs and most of their wants. My husband and I make a little over $50k combined! We have 2 cars, and nice little condo, good sized student loans and no children because we can not afoord to do that just yet. Now is any one of the people saying that $250k is not wealthy in that situation? Do you worry about paying bills on time? Do you worry that gas will go up and you may not be able to pay for it? I am seriously doubting that. Do not complain that $250k is just scraping by.... because there are a LOT of people out there that work just as hard... possibly HARDER and bring in 1/10 to 1/5 as much as you do and have a lot of stress about how to get things done. Yes you may pay more in taxes or you may not be able to keep up with the Trumps, the Gates or the Buffetts of the world but you are surpassing the Jonses so be happy and thankful for what you have.
One should remember that John McCain's comments about love, family, etc. defining "richness" came only after he had asserted, for all the world to hear and with a straight face, that "rich" begins at $5 million. It was only after his campaign gauged the reaction to such utter nonsense that McCain "revised" his definition.
Obviously you DIDN'T watch the Warren forum because you don't know what McCain said prior...that some of the richest people he knows are some of the most unhappy. That he doesn't want to take money from the rich, he wants everyone to be rich, that people that have gotten rich have done it by working many more than 40 hours/week that McCain is going to give families a $ 7K for children and a $5K credit for Health Ins. The "5 million was said in jest and was followe up with "the point is we want to keep taxes low" He ponted out the waste in government where we pid $3 million for studying the DNA of bears. He has actively fought government waste. So next time TennMom stick to topics you know something about, please. Your out of context quips are lweak.
i watched the warren forum. mccain wants everyone to be rich. everyone can't be rich... or there would be no such thing as rich. he wouldn't be rich anymore. i know... economics are not his strong suit. and he was not joking about the 5 million... he was floundering on how to answer... he said a number he thought was somewhere in the ballpark of a realistic answer, to him, and then he tried to qualify the answer by saying he expects it to be taken out of context. let's be really honest here... he will be a lame duck on day one... period. but he won't get elected. his stupid ass made sure to tell everyone how he'd nominate judges on the supreme court to overturn roe v wade. talk about not having the judgement to lead... he doesn't even have the judgement to stop going for a quicky point at a church that costs him an entire election. but go ahead... keep on talking like anyone is taking you seriously
Average home cost 625,000 in Santa Clara County. I don't feel bad for people in Montana who can make 30K / year and afford to live in 3,000 sq. foot home.
We need to be careful before to tax the corp. America- It'll come out in job cuts and additional jobs shiffting to India & China.
you don't know what the hell you are talking about.
people in montana who make 30k a year live in trailer parks, dumbass.
and anyone of them would be happy to bitch slap your ass for talking so stupid.
Did ANYONE hear that comment that I think Obama made at Invesco about "credit cards bills you can't pay"?
I think if anyone has credit card bills that they can't pay then it is no one's fault but their own... because guess what! NO ONE holds a gun to anyone's head and makes them use a credit card. If you have credit cards you can't pay it is because you lack the discipline to not spend money that you don't have...that is why the banks call them CREDIT cards. DUH. So are we supposed to feel sorry for someone that has credit cards they can't pay... is Obama suggestying that the government bail these individuals out too.?
yeah! exactly! what's Obama been doing? reading the bible or something? does he actually buy that crap from the bible about forgiving people's debts? what a crazy christian that Obama is!! actually believing in the bible. i tell ya. next he's going to be saying that credit card companies should get bailed out!
The Obama campaign is really, really reaching to pin that one on Bush. They better be careful because if someone reaches that far while standing on a pedestal...they just might FALL OFF!
Thank You!!
I'm so tired of listening to news people who make $250k plus whining about how they are middle class. They need to shut up and pay up before they wind up like... oh... most rich whiners in countries that are pushed into a depression and break into a revolution. There are 98% more of us than you... and we are pissed. PISSED. Don't push us into deciding to tax you even more. Cause we will.
Thank You!!
I'm so tired of listening to news people who make $250k plus whining about how they are middle class. They need to shut up and pay up before they wind up like... oh... most rich whiners in countries that are pushed into a depression and break into a revolution. There are 98% more of us than you... and we are pissed. PISSED. Don't push us into deciding to tax you even more. Cause we will.
Thanks Daniel. Anyone making $250,000/year is rich. Here's a test. Do you make enough money in one year to pay for an entire 4-year education at any of the nation's most expensive universities? If the answer is "yes", then you are rich. Get real, people. Just because you can't afford a Bentley like your brother-in-law doesn't make you middle class; It just makes you less rich. My family's total household income is 1/3 of the amount in question, and I recognize that I am fairly well off. Sure we live basicaly paycheck tp paycheck, but that's because we foolishly adjust our spending upward to match our income. But if we had to, we could buy a house in the city for 1/3 the cost of our big suburban one, sell one of our cars, and I could take the bus to work. Crazy talk, you say? No, those are just some of the potential sacrifices you have to keep in the back of your mind in the event that you find yourself on the receiving end of a financial disaster. Conversely, if I made $250,000 for five years (assume $150,000 after taxes), my house, cars, student loans, and kid's future college tuition at a good State school would be paid for in cash. Anyone enjoying that kind of security is, by definition, rich.
Well, Michele Obama made $275,000 per year in the hospital industry. Enjoy voting for your fake middle-Americans, Democrats!
So your complaining because the Obama's are willing to raise their own taxes? That's just dumb enough to come from a repub.
Actually she took a LOA from her job so they probably are under the $250,000.
Does the POTUS pay taxes on his income while in office?
Sounds like either way they are doing very, very well.
And Cindy McCain made...well, we really don't know, do we? But it was $6 million in 2006. Only $1 million over what John thinks is required to be "rich"...
I got the perfect solution for the liberals. How about the government takes out a giant loan from China - say a few billion dollars. Then we can all quit our jobs and grow fat and lazy living off government checks.
Um how do you think we are paying for the war???
My daughter is an attorney. She worked for a law firm and, at 29, was making $250,000. She owned a condo and a nice car, but she had no life. So she left the law firm and got a job as an attorney for a government agency, making about 45% of her previous salary. Having judiciously saved a good bit of her earnings, she is able to continue to pay for her condo, her car, and her student loans, although her spending on clothes, spa sessions, etc, has been cut way down. She met a wonderful young man and is engaged to be married. At the law firm, she had no time to meet men. She is much richer now than she ever was when she made $250,000.
You should be proud - that's someone who has her priorities in the right order. More money does not necessarily equate to more happiness, and it's completely meaningless without love, family, friends and the time to enjoy those things.
Yorkielover2 -- I tell these folks to quit being so naive. Planning your financial future, including retirement, is a personal responsibility. If my employer promises me a nice pension when I retire, I'm smart enough to know that I should not count on it -- and that I should continue saving the same rate I have been. You can't lose what you never considered, and should not have considered, a sure thing. Quit thinking that anyone should save you but yourself. Figure out what you need to have saved by retirement and start saving to reach that goal. It's all common sense -- but no one wants to accept what requires work, planning and discipline. They'd rather hang their future on a promise from their employer that everything will be taken care of.
AMEN!!!
Evidently, it's those who are making $250,000 who apparently warrant attention. Those of us making under $15,000.00/year are up the proverbial creek and no one anywhere is about to throw us a paddle. Apparently, those of us who have to basically "slave" for every penny we earn, aren't worth listening to or acknowledging. It's a sorry state of affairs when it's the 'privileged' who somehow set the standard for the rest of us. Beginning to wonder if it's really worth living in this country.
Why is it that you make less than $15K per year? What choices did you make in your life that have put you in that kind of position? I made the choice to get a college education in a field that pays a pretty good income. I made that choice based on research into various fields that I thought I would be interested in and ruling out the ones where I could not make a reasonable amount of money. Your comment about the priviledged is insulting and inaccurate - I make over $250K per year but I got into that position 100% as a result of making good, well thought out choices about my career, and then busting my ass to succeed. I can assure you I am not "priviledged", and I work 12+ hours a day to make my $250K per year. You or anyone else who puts their mind to it and works hard can achieve the same success. If you don't like your situation, why don't you stop whining, get off your ass and do something about it! Your fate is in your hands, no one else's!!
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