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  • Posted By: ttraider @ 08/28/2008 12:02:42 PM

    I feel the only true way to solve the tax issues in this country is to make taxes even across the board for EVERYONE! Possibly a good solution would be to eliminate income tax and increase sales tax. That way everyone; rich, poor, legal or illegal will be pitching in.
    This of course will work until congress passes legislation giving tax breaks for the purchases of yates.

  • Posted By: ccg5f @ 08/28/2008 11:43:45 AM

    The point overlooked here is what taxes do to your income as income rises. My spouse makes a bit over $250,000 a year and combining city, state and federal taxes we pay UPWARDS of 55-60% IN TAXES. (That does not include sales taxes -- just the typical payroll taxes, state taxes and local property taxes.) We have a great income, but our tax burden is very heavy (and yes, we do tax planning) and disproportinate to our neighbhors who earn less, but may use more in local, state and federal services. To make $250,000 the magic cut-off for "rich" is incomprehensible and discouraging. My husband has lost a lot of time with me and our three kids by working every waking moment and has studied for years (with debt) to get to that salary potential. Now being told we're rich and will pay more in taxes -- it's got us seriously considering at what point we've crossed over into diminishing returns and cutting back the hours. It is easy to say "tax the rich" to "pay for the poor" but to tax people at a certain income at so much higher of a rate goes against some key principles that this country was founded for.

    I keep hearing about tax loopholes for the rich, and how they escape taxes. I don't know who these people are but the "rich" people making in the $250,000 neighborhood are paying those taxes and after a 55% federal/state/local taxing are really making about $112,000.

    • Posted By: JackWilcox @ 08/28/2008 12:02:31 PM

      This is the big "Red Herring".

      The loopholes for the Rich are for people who don't really work yet have inherited or managed to gain 10+ million in assets. They don't pay taxes.

      The "RICH" are not people who actually work for a paycheck...

    • Posted By: dudepigeon @ 08/28/2008 11:54:19 AM

      This kills me - your husband works his butt off and is not around. Well HELLO - that is a CHOICE he has made. I am sure no one has a gun to his head saying he has to go to work or die. It really torques me off when people claim that they 'have' to work this hard for $250K. I would love to make $250K - never going to happen because I want to spend the limited amount of time we all have on this earth with my family. When your husband is on his deathbed (which I hope is many years from now) - is he going to say 'i wish i had spent more time at work?'

      • Posted By: ccg5f @ 08/28/2008 12:00:31 PM

        Yes that is the choice we have happily made. You do not have to like it. It works for us and we have not regretted it at any point. That is hardly the point of this discussion. The point is that paying 55-60% in taxes (or more) on any income made by anyone, for any reason is absurd.

      • Posted By: jblackwell88 @ 08/28/2008 12:00:27 PM

        What an interesting spin... condemning those who work hard. Democrat much?

    • Posted By: raddave @ 08/28/2008 11:59:29 AM

      Our taxes do not only go to "pay the poor." They pay for all of our government's budget, to include military, highways, education, etc. You are complaining that after taxes you have only about $112,000 but that is still way above the median income of the country.

  • Posted By: jblackwell88 @ 08/28/2008 11:38:06 AM

    The fundamental difference between Democrats and Republicans is that

    Republicans believe people should keep what they earn.

    Democrats believe they are entitled to someone else's earnings.

    • Posted By: raddave @ 08/28/2008 12:02:01 PM

      The fundamental difference between democrats and repugnants is that republicans want to spend with little or no revenue coming in. and the democrats want to actually reduce the level of debt that this country has.

    • Posted By: gutz2 @ 08/28/2008 11:58:41 AM

      How gloriously put ,to add all democrats want is a redistribution of wealth that they neither earned or entitled to , unless of course you live in a socialist socioety.Wake up America the Obama Messiah is no joke he is an extermist liberal marxist who will see his acendency to the white house as a clear mandate to extort your rights to the pursuit to happiness your right of free speech ( fairness doctrine) & your right to bear arms.America does not need to be turned into a train wreck.

  • Posted By: NMDave @ 08/28/2008 11:38:22 AM

    You bunch of fools, all of you! Worried about how much more material goods you can buy while our country is going down the drain in economic chaos. The trillions of dollars in debt that our country owes is going to ruin the future generations of our children. How do you expect any standard of living improvement when the biggest budget outlay will be just to pay the interest on the debt and not retire a cent of what we owe. Wake up America pay more in taxes so we can save our children and grandchildren and the country we love so much.

    • Posted By: jblackwell88 @ 08/28/2008 11:42:39 AM

      I think what you'll find is that if taxes become too burdensome, the most industrious of us will simply flee to some other place. That might sound un-American, but I reckon back in the day we were founded by a lot of un-Irish, un-British, un-whatevers seeking to escape harsh economic circumstances at home.

      • Posted By: raddave @ 08/28/2008 12:00:27 PM

        Has it happened in the past when the income tax level for the rich was around 75%? Has it happened in countries like Germany? The answer to both is no.

  • Posted By: imsparticus @ 08/28/2008 11:30:41 AM

    First of all the tax plan is for household income over $250,000, so it is more like $125,000 a person. Second part you are missing as there was an article in Barrons this past week that suggested the tax plan will be for $200,000, not $250,000.

    • Posted By: Texas-conservative @ 08/28/2008 11:57:47 AM

      And let's not fail to add this:

      This year lowered to 250k, next year lowered to 200k, then 150k.
      When will they reach your level of income?

      Plus, this tax plan will affect small business owners, who will pass their increase in taxes to their consumers to make up the difference...so you'll be paying for their tax increase through inflation. So don't believe it only affects wealthy poeple.

      Obama has 1.5 trillion dollars of agenda to finance in his first 4 years. I thought we had a deficit. Shouldn't that be taken care of before spending even more money we don't have? If you were behind on your bills, would you buy a new mercedes?

  • Posted By: iheartnyc @ 08/28/2008 11:57:38 AM

    I have to disagree with the first poster. I work in finance in NYC and I don't live in Manhattan. You can still get away with a 20-45 min commute and save a couple hundred grand simply by moving to a borough or even Northern NJ (Hoboken, Jersey City) where there are safe, hip, convenient neighborhoods to live in. It definitely doesn't come easy but there has to be some cost cutting you can do. You live in Manhattan because you want to, not because you have to. It's fun, vibrant, and prestigious. But what you fail to realize is that the fact that you CAN afford to buy an apt in Manhattan, in what I imagine is a tony area with that pricetag, makes you rich. Not wealthy, but rich. I make $80k on my own with no husband or partner to help me and I would consider myself upper middle class. Class is irrespective of location. As the author says, though you aren't wealthy compaired to the guy in the penthouse with the 4 bedroom spread in East Hampton, you still have riches available to you that are not available to over 97% of the population.

  • Posted By: LilyC @ 08/28/2008 11:37:05 AM

    My parents have been successful and are in the top income brackets for state and federal taxes. Don't say they don't pay their fair share in taxes when well over 50% of their income goes in taxes. Tax shelters and loopholes are at best limited to those wealthy individuals who are not law-abiding citizens. To assume that just because someone has done well in life that they are crooks is a grossly unfair stereotype.

    • Posted By: Braes @ 08/28/2008 11:57:11 AM

      In our family of boys, I am the low lifetime earner as a career GI. My next youngest Brother is a multi-millionaire. Our class-identity is still upper-middle. (He did 26 years in the reserves) We both are patriotic and love America, but completely detest many things the nation has done.
      Taxing earners is almost unproductive, as taxing anything generally is a complete discouragement of the activity.I just do not know honestly how to replace the revenue streams without creating an equal and as inequitable of formula to replace what we do now.
      Now as a service connected, disabled veteran, I get a small pension, and good tax advantages. I also tucked away money into mutual funds and savings bonds. I paid off a life policy before turning 29. When I was making 300 a month, I was saving 200 of it. I rode my boots to work for a few years. I didn't keep a car until I was a SSgt.
      If we do go on a tax-policy re-write, I hope to God we begin really rewarding personal savings and economic growth. What has really done us in is the lack of deferred gratification and fast credit culture. If you make under 100k/yr now, I'd guess half of the things in your domicile were bought on credit and still being paid off. You are intentionally gutting your potential growth of savings and handing a banker your future.

  • Posted By: JoeAverage @ 08/28/2008 11:33:24 AM

    Let me share something with you that is from a true middle class person. I was raised in Kansas, where my parents brought in a combined $41,000 a year at their highest peek during my school days (I am one of four children). We never went without food, clothing, electricity or lunch money. We however went with out designer clothes, new cars and expensive vacations. We were taught that you judge a person by their character, not the size of their wallet. Today, I am single, have no dependants and now live in Texas, I make $52,000 a year and I consider myself much better off then most Americans. I find time and MONEY to donate to the less fortunate, I paid for college, and I pay my bills, my taxes, take nice vacations and have a ???good standard of living??? and never once complain because the guy next door makes twice as much as me. I don't understand the wealthy class of American's. It's all about the most cars, toys, expensive houses, why can't it be about you, yourself and what your role in society is all about? I guess all I am saying is, those of you who make $250,000 or more a year, hell those of you who make $75,000 or more a year, sit back and look at what you really have and remember it's not the governments fault that you keep spending your money trying to keep up with the Jones

    • Posted By: Texas-conservative @ 08/28/2008 11:53:08 AM

      Except that they tell you to go out and spend money to help the economy.
      However, rich or poor, where does the government have the right to tell me how to live my life.
      I'm not rich, but I have a new car and a house. I work hard to make sure that I make my payments on time. I am also a full-time college student, as is my wife. Why should I be penalized/taxed at a higher rate than someone else just because I happen to earn more? I make my contribution to society by making purchases and keeping businesses profitable, therefore helping businesses provide jobs.

      The government shouldn't be targeting citizens to accommodate its overspending. If I overspend, I have my possessions taken away and could potentially be thrown in jail. Meanwhile, congress continues to overspend and then penalizes hard working taxpayers -- the very citizens they are supposed to be looking out for -- to fund their bloated, pork-laiden bills. They can't even stop spending long enough to fix social security, yet they want to spend much more by creating a healthcare entitlement. Instead of an alternative minimum tax, there should be an alternative maximum tax...set somewhere between 35 and 40%. If the government needs more than that, then they should consider downsizing, the same way any company who consistantly operates in the red would have to do...or risk bankruptcy. We're not meant to be slaves of the state in this country.

      Just because owning new cars, boats, or whatever isn't what makes you happy, don't judge others negatively just because they have a different lifestyle than you. Maybe riding around on a harley helps them enjoy life a little more.

      • Posted By: JoeAverage @ 08/28/2008 11:56:52 AM

        I guess people truly do live in their own worlds.

    • Posted By: funkdome @ 08/28/2008 11:37:17 AM

      Look, you spent what you made and if you made more, you would have spent more and given more.

      You think you are the only one who donates to charity? Please get over yourself.

      • Posted By: JoeAverage @ 08/28/2008 11:50:15 AM

        I didn't imply in anyway shape or form that I was the only one that donates to charity. You saw one thing out of the entire blog and made up your mind. I am simply saying, it's all relative.

  • Posted By: daddybob @ 08/28/2008 11:55:09 AM

    The truly wealthy, filthy rich people that everyone thinks a politician is talking about when he says he will raise income taxes on the rich aren't worried because an income tax doesn't tax wealth that is already in the bank. The really wealthy people don't earn income anymore so they may pay some capital gains taxes from time to time but they don't have to pay social security and medicare taxes on capital gains, and they aren't worried about the relatively small portion of their income that is taxed at an earned income level. It is only the people who aspire to one day join this group who are worried.

  • Posted By: funkdome @ 08/28/2008 11:26:32 AM

    As an entrepeneur, I have risked the small pile of savings I had from flying around the country doing corporate sales and being away from my family for weeks at a time on a smal business. After several years of losing money, I have finally found some success and hope to be at the 250k point this year.

    If you amortize my earnings over the past four years, it would be in the 80k per year. Now that I am finally catching up and paying off my mountain of debt, I get some career journalist telling me I'm rich and Obama telling me he needs to take more of my money.

    If I had known this, I would have gotten some mediocre job at Bellsouth and just ground it out until retirement. Of course, If the liberals get there way, all incentive to take the huge risk associated with starting a business will be taken away and we will all be vying for those crap jobs at the big corporations.

    Want more corporate control over America? Want to ensure that your kids are just a number in a sea of faceless corporate drones? Then kill the incentive to start new small businesses.

    • Posted By: JackWilcox @ 08/28/2008 11:30:44 AM

      Your point is right own. Once you achieve a net worth of over $10,000,000 I am sure you would understand paying more taxes if they taxed you less on the trip there.

      This whole argument is a distraction from the people who own and control everything.

      • Posted By: funkdome @ 08/28/2008 11:41:34 AM

        If I was making 10million, I would be paying milions in taxes and would feel satisfied that I had done my part.

        I think I could find my own causes to support that would make far better use of my money. For all of Warren Buffet's griping about how little he is taxed, he has trusts in place to protect his assets and you better believe that he has an army of accountants minimizing his taxes. Mr Buffet is a true philanthropist, but if you notice, he isn't donating his extra income to the government, as he could. He must share my opinion that there are better things to do with his money than to give it to Congress to waste.

        • Posted By: JackWilcox @ 08/28/2008 11:54:01 AM

          Another great comment. They need to cut spending and cut taxes at the same time. Thats the real answer... although, the wealthy (those with $10+million in assets) and the super wealthy (those with $100+million in assets) need to pay more.

  • Posted By: sonstone @ 08/28/2008 11:51:32 AM

    NYC111, you are completely full of it. You choose to live in a ritzy area and spend a lot of money on a small flat. You can certainly live wonderfully in NYC on 250K. Whine, whine, whine. I can't afford what the television tells me I should have so I'm poor. Get over it

  • Posted By: Jonanderton @ 08/28/2008 11:39:42 AM

    It is all relative... if you are responsible and spend frugally then 250K is great, anywhere you live. I like the comment by the small biz owner saying his 250K this year makes up for his other years starting the business. That was his choice and I'm sure, even at Obama's tax rates, if he makes that income 10 years straight he will not be begging for food. Get serious 250K is a lot of money and more than 98% of others.

    • Posted By: jblackwell88 @ 08/28/2008 11:51:05 AM

      So basically we're complaining about 2% of the population?

  • Posted By: jd_free @ 08/28/2008 11:51:02 AM

    Americans tend to believe that we have a lot of "rights" that we don't and can't have. One is the right to have as many kids as we want without regard for our ability to provide for them. If we can't handle the cost, society is obigated to cover us, right? After all, it's not the kids' fault, and they're so darned cute... Another presumed right is the "right" to live in any part of the country. It doesn't work that way. There are places that are particularly attractive, and due to the competition for these places, the price is high. You have a choice. Earn enough to win the competition, or decide you have other priorities and move to the great places in America's heartland. But no, many on coasts turn their noses at 80% of the country, declaring, like the born-rich snobs they claim to hate, that nothing without a beach is good enough for them.

    If $250,000/year doesn't go very far in your area, then your area is not for middle class people. Move to one that is, and enjoy your money.

    But now for the criticisms. First, this article assumes that once we've proved someone is "rich", it's ok to jack up their taxes. It's a Newsweek article, so that's expected; Newsweek is liberal. Still, I have to point it out. The rich pay higher rates post-Bush than they did pre-Clinton. Jacking up their taxes won't solve our problems.

    More than that, though, our entire tax structure is based on the ridiculous idea that a year is enough time for any investment plan to come full circle. That is, we assume that someone who makes X dollars one year makes X dollars every year, and thus we can base tax decisions on the idea that they have so much money. What foolishness! For the few salaried clock-punchers left in this country, annual income might be pretty stable over the long run, but many people don't live that way.

    Much has been said of the "injustice" of oil company profits. Besides the obvious flaw - billions of dollars in profit isn't that much when you are a hundreds of billions of dollars company (it's the percentage that counts), these "arguments" disregard the many lean years that preceded these. "Big Oil" invested in its future and now reaps the rewards. If you average their profits over 20 years, it's not too hot for them.

    People are the same way. If I decide to found a small business, I might have negative income for two years, break even in the third, turn a profit in the fourth, and make $300K in the fifth. Another person might just make $60K/year for five years at a big company. Do the math. Over five years, we had the same income, but I paid far more in taxes because I had mine all in one year! The government assumes I'm rich when I'm probably barely paying my loans.

    Remember this: 80% of Americans are at some point in their lives in the bottom 20% and the top 20% of income earners. When you dedicate yourself to screwing people in another tax bracket, you may be digging your own grave.

  • Posted By: jd_free @ 08/28/2008 11:50:18 AM

    Americans tend to believe that we have a lot of "rights" that we don't and can't have. One is the right to have as many kids as we want without regard for our ability to provide for them. If we can't handle the cost, society is obigated to cover us, right? After all, it's not the kids' fault, and they're so darned cute... Another presumed right is the "right" to live in any part of the country. It doesn't work that way. There are places that are particularly attractive, and due to the competition for these places, the price is high. You have a choice. Earn enough to win the competition, or decide you have other priorities and move to the great places in America's heartland. But no, many on coasts turn their noses at 80% of the country, declaring, like the born-rich snobs they claim to hate, that nothing without a beach is good enough for them.

    If $250,000/year doesn't go very far in your area, then your area is not for middle class people. Move to one that is, and enjoy your money.

    But now for the criticisms. First, this article assumes that once we've proved someone is "rich", it's ok to jack up their taxes. It's a Newsweek article, so that's expected; Newsweek is liberal. Still, I have to point it out. The rich pay higher rates post-Bush than they did pre-Clinton. Jacking up their taxes won't solve our problems.

    More than that, though, our entire tax structure is based on the ridiculous idea that a year is enough time for any investment plan to come full circle. That is, we assume that someone who makes X dollars one year makes X dollars every year, and thus we can base tax decisions on the idea that they have so much money. What foolishness! For the few salaried clock-punchers left in this country, annual income might be pretty stable over the long run, but many people don't live that way.

    Much has been said of the "injustice" of oil company profits. Besides the obvious flaw - billions of dollars in profit isn't that much when you are a hundreds of billions of dollars company (it's the percentage that counts), these "arguments" disregard the many lean years that preceded these. "Big Oil" invested in its future and now reaps the rewards. If you average their profits over 20 years, it's not too hot for them.

    People are the same way. If I decide to found a small business, I might have negative income for two years, break even in the third, turn a profit in the fourth, and make $300K in the fifth. Another person might just make $60K/year for five years at a big company. Do the math. Over five years, we had the same income, but I paid far more in taxes because I had mine all in one year! The government assumes I'm rich when I'm probably barely paying my loans.

    Remember this: 80% of Americans are at some point in their lives in the bottom 20% and the top 20% of income earners. When you dedicate yourself to screwing people in another tax bracket, you may be digging your own grave.

  • Posted By: jd_free @ 08/28/2008 11:49:50 AM

    Americans tend to believe that we have a lot of "rights" that we don't and can't have. One is the right to have as many kids as we want without regard for our ability to provide for them. If we can't handle the cost, society is obigated to cover us, right? After all, it's not the kids' fault, and they're so darned cute... Another presumed right is the "right" to live in any part of the country. It doesn't work that way. There are places that are particularly attractive, and due to the competition for these places, the price is high. You have a choice. Earn enough to win the competition, or decide you have other priorities and move to the great places in America's heartland. But no, many on coasts turn their noses at 80% of the country, declaring, like the born-rich snobs they claim to hate, that nothing without a beach is good enough for them.

    If $250,000/year doesn't go very far in your area, then your area is not for middle class people. Move to one that is, and enjoy your money.

    But now for the criticisms. First, this article assumes that once we've proved someone is "rich", it's ok to jack up their taxes. It's a Newsweek article, so that's expected; Newsweek is liberal. Still, I have to point it out. The rich pay higher rates post-Bush than they did pre-Clinton. Jacking up their taxes won't solve our problems.

    More than that, though, our entire tax structure is based on the ridiculous idea that a year is enough time for any investment plan to come full circle. That is, we assume that someone who makes X dollars one year makes X dollars every year, and thus we can base tax decisions on the idea that they have so much money. What foolishness! For the few salaried clock-punchers left in this country, annual income might be pretty stable over the long run, but many people don't live that way.

    Much has been said of the "injustice" of oil company profits. Besides the obvious flaw - billions of dollars in profit isn't that much when you are a hundreds of billions of dollars company (it's the percentage that counts), these "arguments" disregard the many lean years that preceded these. "Big Oil" invested in its future and now reaps the rewards. If you average their profits over 20 years, it's not too hot for them.

    People are the same way. If I decide to found a small business, I might have negative income for two years, break even in the third, turn a profit in the fourth, and make $300K in the fifth. Another person might just make $60K/year for five years at a big company. Do the math. Over five years, we had the same income, but I paid far more in taxes because I had mine all in one year! The government assumes I'm rich when I'm probably barely paying my loans.

    Remember this: 80% of Americans are at some point in their lives in the bottom 20% and the top 20% of income earners. When you dedicate yourself to screwing people in another tax bracket, you may be digging your own grave.

  • Posted By: mhrr512 @ 08/28/2008 10:32:24 AM

    The central issue that no one seems to discuss is how much debt or loans do people who make 250K and over have? Many people like myself took out loans for college and graduate school that basically amount to a mortgage. None of these expenses can be written off by the IRS. So, if I make 250K but have student loans equaling 250k, how am I supposed to feel "rich"? The picture that so-called economists, experts and No-Bama paint are innaccurate. Some people who make $75k don't have any loans, so they actually take in more. Let's look at household net at the end of the day, after expenses, not just gross. All that is ever examined it income alone, and that is wrong and biased by leftists.

    • Posted By: beHishands @ 08/28/2008 11:49:17 AM

      Well if you're earning 250k & talking about the household net income, does that mean you'll be driving a 5yr old compact like the guy who's making $40k? Or are you driving a new Bimmer or Lexus? And are you not eating out at nice restaurants or living in a McMansion in good neighborhood or go on nice vacations?
      When I came out of school w/ a bachelor's degree & $20+k student loan, I got a $40k job & thought I was doing well. I thought I can live like a rock star since I???m making money now. After about a couple of years of incurring debt quicker than I???m making, I realize that can't spend like what feel I???m "entitled to??? compared to my peers.
      I got rid of my new car & got a 10yr old car so eliminated a car payment. I didn't go out as much anymore. Boy I got rid of my school loan & credit card debt, all a total of $30+k while making around $50k at the time, in just over 2yrs. So I don't really buy the taxing based on a person's household net because if the person makes a personal choice to spend more, then of course their household net will be a lot smaller.
      Here???s another example. My cousin earns prob around $40k a year w/ a family. He paid off his $150k house in a few years. I know he doesn???t take nice vacations or goes out to nice restaurants or have nice clothes or fancy cars. He prob has more savings than I do even though I make more than twice the amount of money than he currently makes (and another fact, I???m still single & don???t have a family to support).
      I know it???s because of my choices in life. I do a lot more in my life & thus spend a lot more than him. So w/ your proposal would it be fair? If his household net income is more percentage wise to his gross income compared to me, for him to pay more taxes because he???s better at saving than I?
      Remember we all have choices, such as go to grad school & incurring a larger school loan debt, but normally get a lot higher paying job at the end. So if you live miserly like my cousin & making the big $250k bank, think of what household net income you???ll have for $250k annual salary.
      I just hate when everyone complains of what they don???t have since they always look up the social order. Next time take a moment & look down & realize how ???rich??? you are compared to the people behind you (which is most of the people in the world). Trust me, I???m not perfect in this respect also. So the next time I???m thinking of complaining, I try to remind myself of people behind me like my cousin.

  • Posted By: lady1_1122 @ 08/28/2008 11:48:08 AM

    If 250,000 is middle class then we should be able to get food stamps, CHIPS, and any other stuff poor people get. My husband is a school teacher for 23 yrs now and make $50,000.........Wish we got $250,000 a year and I know a lot more Texans do to. Must be nice.

  • Posted By: joyoung @ 08/28/2008 11:39:23 AM

    I serve in the military....am a veteran of both Iraq invasions....early 90s, and present day....and I can honestly say without any mental hesitation that the United States is completely and utterly pathetic. I'm at about 65 to 70K a year in a major alatama city. However, I'm not married, and don't have any kids, so family expenses isn't something I have to consider. Also, I don't live in a sprawling mansion and drive an expensive car or have a boat, or the latest electronic gadgets.

    Yet, I am taxed at an absurd rate. What's even worse, if I were in a higher cost of living city like atlanta or another major metropolis, it would be far worse. Same amount of taxes, but goods cost a lot more. at the end of the day, way way less money possibly living paycheck to paycheck to make ends meet.

    But what about a single parent in my position with kids to raise....whether it be male or female.....they really feel the pressure. Sure there may be a slight tax break for having dependents, but they have roughly the same tax percentage, and the cost of raising a family. And there are some of you snot-nose screwups out there saying 250K a year isn't a lot of money? What about the people who make millions and have every loophole the IRS feels gracious enough to allow so they effective pay no taxes at all except for payroll, if any.

    If you can't see what's going on here then you're blind. The government is implementing a two class society. And, they're gonna get away with it because of all the stupid voters out there in fantasyland that keep electing the same garbage. Do you really thing Osama is going to do anything to help the middle class...(the people who really are middle class, not the 250K a year wanna-be imposters). Heck no he's a socialist. Do you really think John McCain will do anything to help the middle class? Definitely not....he's Bush...only worse. This is the America you bunch of no-brain having morons have voted for, and now you're getting what you wanted so suck it up and stop complaining.

    • Posted By: JackWilcox @ 08/28/2008 11:44:18 AM

      The 2 classes are people who work for their money, and people who already own everything and have money.

      To be in the first class, it does not really matter if you make 25k per year or 250k per year, you are part of the same class. Please start attacking the other class... otherwise they just laugh at us.

  • Posted By: alhart4newsweek @ 08/28/2008 11:35:40 AM

    Bloated federal spending is the problem--politicians buy votes with our own tax dollars, then laugh while we grouse about inequities in the tax burden. The federal government is lobbyist owned and operated, with big media chiming in to ensure no third party, not controlled by corporate interests, ever has a chance at the polls. Keep sending the same lobbyist-funded chumps to Washington, and this is the result--media articles that focus on the problem effect, rather than the problem cause.

    • Posted By: Braes @ 08/28/2008 11:43:54 AM

      If I had a university in my pocket, you just got the degree. Lot of fact in a short shot.

  • Posted By: jblackwell88 @ 08/28/2008 11:30:54 AM

    There are essentially two types of people:

    Those who figure out the system, work hard, succeed, and therefore want to keep their earnings...

    and those who can't figure it out, and then buy into the politics of "take".

    The reality is that if there weren't Republicans, the Democrats wouldn't have a friggin DIME. What would they do, tax themselves? You can't motivate people to work without the prospect of REWARD, otherwise you get a system not unlike the Soviets had where no one gave a crap and everything went down the toilet. Notice what the Russians did when their managed economy fell flat : they reverted to capitalism. It WORKS. Its not perfect, but there is no better system for sorting people into the right jobs than free market competition. Without the meritocracy we would literally still be in the middle ages.

    • Posted By: MiamiMike @ 08/28/2008 11:41:42 AM

      What Garbage you spew. Who is going to cut your grass, change your oil, paint your house, serve you food etc. You are not hearing people complain about these jobs! They complain about the fact that with these jobs they can not afford to live. No one is upset that people have wealth all they want is a fair days wage for a fair days work!!

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