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Rebutting Sean Wilentz on Obama.

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Aug 27, 2008 | Updated: 8:49  p.m. ET Aug 27, 2008

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  • Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 08/28/2008 11:50:25 AM

    Eh? A New York Times In The Can For Obama ''dissecting''his economic and foreign policy platforms? Not on a bet. Go here instead.

    Investors Business Daily www.ibd.com

    The BROOKINGS Institute Tax Policy Center www.taxpolicycenter.org [which offers a more detailed dissection on Obamas economics polcies which are not as pretty as the rosy scenario laid out by the partisan Times. Indeed,it gangs up on McCain as well].

    Remember. You are all labouring in a media vaccum. The Obama-partisan NEWSWEAK gets its garbage from the Obama-partisan AP,which in turn cites the Obama-partisan New York Times,which in turn cites the Obama-partisan AP,which observes a Obama-partisan article by NEWSWEAK that it picked up from the Obama-partisan MSNBC,that it got from the Obama-partisan NBC.

    On and Kaiser. We bombed Libyas Tripoli and killed Kaddafis members of his family. We have never laid a glove on Iran.

    • Posted By: Iconoblaster @ 08/28/2008 2:43:15 PM

      Lee Holmes, you sound like you are ADVOCATING for the raid that killed a minor child, an adopted daughter of the Libyan leader... but THAT was several years (and presidents) ago, and didn't produce the more recent diplomatic break-through that brought Libya back into the apparent good graces of our current government. So what was your point? "Let's bomb some Iranian children, too"?

      • Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 08/28/2008 6:27:12 PM

        You do not know this. In point of fact,an American strike upon his nation and its tandem embargo resulting from the LOCKERBIE Pan-Am bombing were precisely the goods needed to get Libya back to the table. A combination of military action and diplomacy backed by sanctions with teeth in them. You will be reminded that the world no longer suffered from Kaddafi after this. He played a terrorists game,and paid a terrorists price.

        • Posted By: AskPlus @ 08/29/2008 3:02:08 PM

          He could also be found. Please don't be "obtuse" sir.

      • Posted By: missinglinkingv @ 08/28/2008 9:30:19 PM

        selective collateral damage. hey that would be a new term...SCD's

    • Posted By: AskPlus @ 08/28/2008 12:52:05 PM

      The guy just asked Wilentz to stop lying, so you pick it up again? Why go with the "Newsweak" blast? It shows lack of control. Why is it that the writer is partisan because he defended a position without acting like you? Do you call yourself partisan? The fact is Mr. McCain says there are no specifics when there are.

      • Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 08/28/2008 2:44:30 PM

        No,in fact they are not. Do not be obtuse. The New York Times and the NEW YORKER are as ''impartial''to Obama as PRAVDA was to Stalin. What I ask is that Kaiser stop lying instead.[and end his standing within the vaccum which I heretofore addressed that protects Obama rather than deals out dispassionate analysis of his economics platform] None of his references are borne out by the findings of independant non-partisan researchers that have been more closely scrutinizing both candidates foreign policy and economics records,with Obama,continuing to be found wanting in both areas,while at the same time,not giving McCain a pass either which is the very essence of impartiality.
        Take Bidens speech on ''Illinois''last night. He stated that it ''had the lowest taxes in the nation'' [at 3%],which benefits ''working families''. What he did NOT mention,is that Illinois has the highest sales tax in America[at 10%],which benefits no-one.Especially ''working families''.And that it was state senator Obama,that assisted in this rape of working family paychecks.
        ''Rebuttals''usually do not include dispatching goonsquads to those who are making an opposite point. Yet this is precisely what is occurring right now in Chicago,where Obamas campaign lawyers are threatening WGN-AM radio for their temerity in interviewing the man who forced the uncovering of the Obama-Ayers ANNENBERG Papers.[even the liberal Los Angeles Times today,worries of a ''backfire''occurring if the Obamaites morph into a Praetorian Guard that seeks to crush dissent].
        Your boy Kaiser has answered nothing. He persists in gathering together ''sources''that are already in the tank for Obama. Thus he relies upon propaganda. Not truth. Same deal as NEWSWEAK.

        • Posted By: Jose52 @ 08/28/2008 5:23:06 PM

          Lee. Good Job! The left clouds BO history and dimissed their Free speech Responsibilty to search the clear truth.The MSM has always been in the tank for BO and if McCain wins; how will the liberals control the hate speech from BO's minnions.

          • Posted By: AskPlus @ 08/29/2008 3:00:33 PM

            Minions? Is that what Messiahs have today? You guys are hysterical. You and Mr. Lee never can argue a point without fear. Lee has his "obtuse" overused word he just learned, and you seem to be like one of those guys in the pick-up with the rifle, scope and vest.

  • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/28/2008 9:53:04 PM

    Promise of a New American (1984 style)

    Stanley Kurtz's appearance on the Milt Rosenberg radio program in Chicago last night provided an unsettling look into the authoritarian tactics being employed by the Obama campaign to stifle and intimidate its critics.
    As I arrived at the downtown Chicago studios a few hours before show time, the phones began ringing off the hook with irate callers demanding Kurtz be axed from the program. It didn't take long to discover that the Obama campaign???which had declined invitations to join the show for its duration to offer rebuttals to Kurtz's points???had sent an "Obama Action Wire" e-mail to its supporters, encouraging them to deluge the station with complaints.

    Why? Because, naturally, Kurtz is a "right-wing hatchet man," a "smear merchant" and a "slimy character assassin" who is perpetrating one of the "most cynical and offensive smears ever launched against Barack."

    Evidently, much of Obama nation is composed of obedient and persistent sheep. They jammed all five studio lines for nearly the entire show while firing off dozens of angry emails. Many vowed to kick their grievances up the food chain to station management. After 90 minutes of alleged smear peddling, Milt Rosenberg (a well-respected host whose long-form interview show has aired in Chicago for decades) opened the phone lines, and blind ignorance soon began to crackle across the AM airwaves. The overwhelming message was clear: The interview must be put to an end immediately, and the station management should prevent similar discussions from taking place.

    One female caller, when pressed about what precisely she objected to, simply replied, "We just want it to stop!" Another angry caller was asked what "lies" Kurtz had told in any of his reporting on Barack Obama. The thoughtful response? "Everything he said is dishonest." The same caller later refused to get into "specifics." Another gentleman called Kurtz "the most un-American person" he'd ever heard. Several of the callers did not even know Stanley's name, most had obviously never read a sentence of his meticulous research, and more than simply read verbatim from the Obama talking points.
    As Rosenberg repeatedly pointed out that Team Obama had been offered the opportunity to take part in the conversation, the agitated masses adapted their argument to suggest it was outrageous to request an interview from the Obama campaign in the thick of the DNC. Delivering the line of the night, Rosenberg countered, "The Obama national headquarters is just down the street from here. They obviously have the time to send out these angry emails, but they can't walk a few blocks to our studios?"

    • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/28/2008 9:57:57 PM

      The experience was surreal, amusing, and chilling. In a matter of hours, a major national campaign had called on its legions to bully a radio show out of airing an interview with a legitimate scholar asking legitimate political questions. Coupled with the Obama campaign's recent attempts to sic the DOJ on the creators of a truthful political advertisement ???which also happened to feature Obama's relationship with an unrepentant terrorist??? last night's call to action represents an emerging pattern. Any criticism of Obama's unknown past is to be immediately denounced as a "smear," and the messenger is to be shut down at all costs.

      Stanley Kurtz is poring through mounds of documents (access to which was initially blocked) in a public university's library that (a) establish a deeper link between a major party presidential nominee and a man who is proud of bombing US government buildings, and (b) shed light on said candidate's brief, unexplored executive experience. It's entirely understandable why the Obama campaign would prefer that the files remain out of the public eye until at least November 5, but Kurtz's careful research is completely within the bounds of reasonable inquiry. One might even argue it's vital that a man who may be the next leader of the free world be thoroughly vetted.

      Team Obama is fast becoming the campaign that cried "smear." They labeled the National Right to Life committee "liars" for providing evidence of some unpleasant facts about their candidate's record on a series of infanticide votes. This tendency to lash out and engage in baseless name-calling not only smacks of desperation; it also may foreshadow an Obama presidency's strategy in handling unfavorable media reports and sources.

      http://media.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZmRhYmE3NzFlMTljNTdmZGQ3MjhkYTVjNzdmMjVhMzE=
      http://townhall.com/Columnists/GuyBenson/2008/04/24/debunking_obamas_ayers_fact_sheet
      http://www.nrlc.org/ObamaBAIPA/WhitePaperAugust282008.html

      Read it for yourself, then for an opinion!

      • Posted By: AskPlus @ 08/29/2008 2:54:03 PM

        I told you you were never a Democrat. You guys slip up quite often.

  • Posted By: Phil08 @ 08/29/2008 12:07:26 PM

    MUSLIMS WILL RULE AMERICA__JEWS ARE A VIRUS RESEMBLING AIDS??????

    From Middle East Research Institute Monitor Project

    http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/669.htm


    GADDAFI: OBAMA IS A MUSLIM

    http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1791.htm


    Same Translation on Youtube.com

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSemkPChvHo&feature=related



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLX0hnad9x0

  • Posted By: barblze @ 08/29/2008 11:40:58 AM

    who is the Canadian NUTCAKE? So ill informed about everything glad he/she is in Canada, the republican party has too many now.

  • Posted By: Dare270 @ 08/29/2008 11:05:26 AM

    Who cares what the right wing conservative nut bags have to say, they are becoming increasingly insignificant and dying out in todays politics. Their hate and smear tactics have grown old on America and Obama will go down as the greatest American president in history.

  • Posted By: Donotneedit @ 08/29/2008 6:21:37 AM

    Time to turn in my subscription. Newsweek has lost.

  • Posted By: madmike54 @ 08/29/2008 1:47:58 AM

    That is the problem with both radical parties, We are not enemies, we are Americans trying to find answers that neither nominee has given adequate responses too. The war is a forgone conclusion we will be out by 2011, But what about energy, the deficit, and jobs? Change is not an answer, its a slogan. Both candidates must give better answer and realist solutions or we will have 4 more years of negative progress from either .of them.

  • Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 08/28/2008 11:15:00 PM

    It gets worse. POLITICO is now reporting that Obamas lawyers have asked the Justice Department to levy a ''criminal complaint''[which could result in arrest],of a Mr.Harold Simmons,Texas billionaire[the anti-Soros],who is now running an ad dubbed ''Ayers'',timed to link with the upcoming Kurtz findings on what he discovered within the ANNENBERG Papers.
    I thought this was a democratic republic. Not a police state. You liberals who have been accusing this nation of being such in the last eight years,can weigh in any time here and come up with a defense of Team Obamas[ ''where we were taught to respect those differant than us''.Remarks:Tonights acceptance speech by Obama,INVESCO Stadium,Denver],crummy fascist tactics regarding why this information is a ''smear''[which denotes a false condition],when the ink on these papers remain.[and how Obamas guarddogs will deal with such meddlesome personalities and organizations once president].

    www.politico.com

  • Posted By: tiredoflies @ 08/28/2008 12:10:18 PM

    Look folks, when you read a blog entry from a McCain supporter, be quite skeptical. Why? Because McCain and his team purport lies.

    As Rick Davis of (McCains team) himself said, "It doesn't matter if it is true as long as it works." THIS IS THEIR PLATFORM.

    I am not saying all McCain supporters entries are lies, I am saying question it and check it out yourself. If you do, for you a pattern of lies and distortion will emerge.

    • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/28/2008 9:50:17 PM

      That's why we provide links jackass.....so you can read it for yourself....funny how I don't see any links to anything to support your argument?

    • Posted By: missinglinkingv @ 08/28/2008 9:22:16 PM

      i really don't think republicans lie, but maybe that depends on what the definition of is is, and of course not having sex with that woman. a lie is a lie. democrats like to pride themselves as diplomats, but they fail horribly. the worst we have done diplomatically as a nation was under FDR

    • Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 08/28/2008 6:31:28 PM

      Try me then. And indeed,I invite any and all to:

      ''check it out yourself''.

    • Posted By: AskPlus @ 08/28/2008 2:47:08 PM

      90-95%?

  • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 08/28/2008 9:49:12 PM

    ???For example, you???re a voter and you have Candidate X and Candidate Y,??? Clinton said. ???Candidate X agrees with you on everything. But you don???t think that person can deliver on anything. Candidate Y disagrees with you on half the issues, but you believe that, on the other half, the candidate will be able to deliver. For whom will you vote????

  • Posted By: ACordell @ 08/28/2008 2:10:27 PM

    Carles: Thank your for your rebuttal. I hope that I see it everywhere, as I'm sure the Republicans and biased media will surely use every opportunity to further spread venomous rumors about Senator Obama. Like you, I read his Plan for America and have listened intently at his Town Hall Meetings were those "questions voters have" were, in deed, answered--no vaguenss, no rhetoric, no excuses--just truthful answers. I really appreciate you looking objectively and pointing out the errors and bias in the article written by Wilentz.

    • Posted By: missinglinkingv @ 08/28/2008 9:27:29 PM

      Acordell and AskPlus, how much does the BO campaign pay you for your ignorance?

  • Posted By: missinglinkingv @ 08/28/2008 9:26:10 PM

    is BO a black panther wanna be? when you put the puzzle of his associates together, that's sure what it looks like. can you liberals project what a solution should look like, or do you only do the 20/20 hindsight thing?

  • Posted By: missinglinkingv @ 08/28/2008 9:26:03 PM

    is BO a black panther wanna be? when you put the puzzle of his associates together, that's sure what it looks like. can you liberals project what a solution should look like, or do you only do the 20/20 hindsight thing?

  • Posted By: ACordell @ 08/28/2008 2:12:19 PM

    Carles: Thank your for your rebuttal. It is refreshing to see an objective article regarding politics. I hope that I see it everywhere, as I'm sure the Republicans and biased media will surely use every opportunity to further spread venomous rumors about Senator Obama. Like you, I read his Plan for America and have listened intently at his Town Hall Meetings were those "questions voters have" were, in deed, answered--no vagueness, no rhetoric, no excuses--just truthful answers. I really appreciate you looking objectively and pointing out the errors and bias in the article written by Wilentz. Again, thank you.

    • Posted By: AskPlus @ 08/28/2008 2:46:33 PM

      Those specifics are also available through the various libraries also. If you don't want to read them, one could get the critiques from CNN and the NYT. If you want the ratios of lies:truth, fact-check is there.

  • Posted By: besharpone @ 08/28/2008 10:44:30 AM

    Omaar @ 08/28/2008 8:04:03 AM
    Wow!!!

    Man, you are one retarded person! You are either on drugs or a lunatic. Your whole post sounds like the rantings of a mixture of a 6 month old, a heavy drug user and a stark, raving lunatic but the worse part is calling someone a racist based on...on...who in hell knows!!!!.

    He is a racist, why? Do you even know the definition of a racist? You obviously don't which means that I can add the description of UNEDUCATED to the other comments describing you.

    What an idiot!!!!

  • Posted By: besharpone @ 08/28/2008 10:40:02 AM

    Omaar @ 08/28/2008 8:04:03 AM
    Wpw!!!

    Man, you are one retarded person! You are either on drugs or a lunatic. Your whole post sounds like the rantings of a mixture of a 6 month old, a heavy drug user and a stark, raving lunatic but the worse part is calling to blogger a racist.

    He is a racist, why? Do you even know the definition of a racist? You obviously don't which means that I can add the description of UNEDUCATED to the other comments describing you.

    What an idiot!!!!

  • Posted By: getzel @ 08/28/2008 5:21:16 AM

    Obumer was born in Kenya and has no valid USA birth certificate. Obumer traveled to Pakistan and Indonesia on an Indonesian passport in 1981. Yes Pakistan, the American hating Pakistan; Obumer.

    • Posted By: jnakhoul @ 08/28/2008 8:55:20 AM

      and thats the kinda attitude that has gotten us nowhere. maybe if we took the time to understand why we have such a poor standing in that part of the world we could work to resolve our problems. our we can bury our heads in the sand

  • Posted By: jnakhoul @ 08/28/2008 8:45:11 AM

    preconditional diplomacy is not diplomacy at all. trying to make the other party come to a forgone conclusion is why bush hasn't got anything done without the threat of force

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 08/28/2008 8:04:03 AM

    GetZel: YOU LYING,DESPERATE, RACIST SACK OF SH!T !!!

    CALL ME WHEN HAWAII IS NO LONGER THE (50TH STATE IN THE UNION)

    HE WAS BORN THERE...PERIOD

    OK OK...THE CIA, THE FBI, THE SECRET SERVICE, THE STATE OF HAWAII, THE STATE OF ILLINOIS, THE CITY OF CHICAGO, COLUMBIA & HARVARD UNIVERSITIES, THE U.S. SENATE CLEARENCE PROCESS ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER....

    HAWAII HAS NOW BEEN REPLACED BY KENYA AS THE 50TH STATE AND IS NOW BARACK OBAMA'S BIRTH PLACE !!!!

    SUCH BORDERLINE BULL-SH!T !!!

    PS: THE ONLY CONFIRMED FOREIGN BORN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE, IS (PANAMA BORN) JOHN MCCAIN...

    I SAID...THE ONLY FOREIGN BORN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE IS (PANAMA BORN) SEN. JOHN MCCAIN !!!

    PANAMA BORN: JOHN MCCAIN AND YOUR LOW LIFE A$$ HAS NO PROBLEM WITH THAT, BECAUSE HE'S THE WHITE RACIST LAST HOPE, AT KEEPING THE WHITE HOUSE WHITE...

    WHAT A LAST DITCH EFFORT, TO SOMEHOW SWAY MINDS...

    THE ONLY MNDS YOU CAN SWAY ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE AS DESPERATE AS YOU AND THEY NEED NO INCENTIVE OR REASON, THEY ARE ALREADY IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU.

    BUT YOUR LIES CANNOT SWAY THOSE THAT KNOW BETTER !!!

  • Posted By: 8yearsoffear @ 08/28/2008 2:21:38 AM

    Mc Cains judgement? What judgement?

    - Cheated on his injured wife after car accident
    - Left her and his kids for another younger woman.
    - Received a marriage license before he was divorced from his first wife.
    - Married current wife 1 month after divorce.
    - Keating five!
    - Quotes-??? The economy is fine!???
    - Quotes-"Nobody supported Bush more than I have"
    - Did not know how many houses he owns.
    - He Voted for Irag war.
    - He said we would be greeted as friends?
    - ???I'm POw I'm A Pow POw Pow POw POw POw Pow Pow!??? How many times do we have to hear this?

    Wake up people! Please don???t fall for the same crap again!

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