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  • Posted By: tbourlon @ 09/02/2008 2:35:23 PM

    Can we please quit pretending that Russia was "coming to the rescue" of the South Ossetians? Do you honestly think Russia was bombing Georgia to support a "free, independent state of South Ossetia?" Why do you suppose they gave RUSSIAN passports to the South Ossetians? Because Russia wants to swallow that region up! Also, they lied and said they would pull back their troops, yet Russian troops are STILL in Georgia - AND Russia is trying to tell the US to quit supporting the Georgian government. CLEARLY they want to take back the country. I think the blunder was on Georgia's part, not Russia's, and GW Bush for looking into Putin's eyes and missing that ambition.

    • Posted By: lovo del norte @ 09/02/2008 2:56:19 PM

      And, what are you going to do about it? moron! bush could not even hold to look into Putin's eyes... He is a Homo!

  • Posted By: Astro_eng @ 09/02/2008 2:44:36 PM

    I get it US = bad Russia = good The Hate America crowd representing in full force. I'm sure its all George Bush's fault and HIS Highness Obama will make everything better.

  • Posted By: topcat2001 @ 09/02/2008 12:25:10 PM

    Asking people to shut up is not going to do anything. The fact is that over 8 years Bush and the Republican congress staunchly opposed any measure to reduce our country's oil dependance and instead increased it more and more.
    Now speculation and demand are rising and screwing us. Atleast because of the recession we can expect prices to moderate for a couple of years. Unless we get a President who can get us out of this we are screwed. But instead we have 40% of the country brainwashed into voting for the mayor of a town of 500 people.

    • Posted By: Astro_eng @ 09/02/2008 2:39:39 PM

      As opposed to voting for someone who was a mayor of ohhh that's right his highness has never been in charge of ANYTHING!!!

  • Posted By: Omnius @ 09/02/2008 2:18:02 PM

    Fareed Zakaria is just a tool of the conservative lunatic fringe and his clueless analysis of the Russia-Georgia crisis is so far off base as to be laughable. He has to work at CNN because no real major news network would bother with him except Fox. Incompetent Rice has brought about the new Cold War and Russia is going to profit from it while the USA suffers. Putin was correct in stating that one American presidential candidate, McCain, is trying to benefit from this so called crisis.

  • Posted By: Omnius @ 09/02/2008 2:16:56 PM

    Fareed Zakaria is just a tool of the conservative lunatic fringe and his clueless analysis of the Russia-Georgia crisis is so far off base as to be laughable. He has to work at CNN because no real major news network would bother with him except Fox. Incompetent Rice has brought about the new Cold War and Russia is going to profit from it while the USA suffers. Putin was correct in stating that one American presidential candidate, McCain, is trying to benefit from this so called crisis.

  • Posted By: MarcusAurelius2008 @ 09/02/2008 2:06:27 PM

    This is hilariously wrong... Georgia attacked Russian peacekeepers in S. Ossetia in the middle of the night, clearly throwing the first punch. They used inaccurate rockets and mortars on universities and hospitals. This is a blunder, but for neocon planners who encouraged the unstable Sakaashvili to grab those territories. Now Russia de-facto controls the Black Sea coast, which is of considerable strategic importance. Also, the US and Western Europe are at odds over this in a big way. If anything, we've just shown ourselves to be the paper tigers in the region that people have suspected us to be for so long.

  • Posted By: bonz696 @ 09/02/2008 1:37:48 PM

    Wait... Didn't Georgia Start this....? Or does that little fact mean anything to you Fareed Zakaria

  • Posted By: MichaelMN @ 09/02/2008 1:30:21 PM

    The missed argument in all this, the one that has been passed over by all news agencies and commentators is whether South Ossetia should be a free and independant state. They have been acting as such, de facto if not de jure, nearly since the breakup of the Soviet Union. They have voted twice on the subject, and each came out for independence.
    The question that has not been asked, and requires asking if there is to be any resolution (and before blame is assigned) is if South Ossetia's breakaway from Georgia is valid. It seem as if no one has discussed this, and I have no idea of what is involved in this situation. Was Russsia setting all this up in order to make a land grab, or is there a valid need to recognize the independence of South Ossetia as an independant state, in which the west, through its lack of initiative have had a major hand in creating the crisis.
    Bottom line: Tell me honestly and truthfully about South Ossetia so that I can make a rational judgement. So far the press has failed dismally in this simple and necessary task.

  • Posted By: toneybrooks @ 09/02/2008 11:44:32 AM

    Well, you got the oil part mostly correct. It is worth noting, however, that the BTC pipeline through Georgia, which will give the West access to Caspian oil by circumventing and further isolating both Russia and Iran, may have far greater geopolitical consequences for the Free World. Foreign Policy under Bush is deplorable and seems driven entirely by oil.

    • Posted By: amendment2man @ 09/02/2008 12:19:02 PM

      shut up already. Bush has NOthing to do with the worlds dependence on oil. It is all you idiots in great big vehicles riding by yourselves and sending all your wealty to these formerly emasculated countries.

      It is one BILLION Chinses who mostly used to ride bikes, they ALL want a car. It is GLOBAL DEMAND not Bush you idiot!!!!

      • Posted By: ex_republican @ 09/02/2008 12:44:53 PM

        The Bush administration has much to do with the price of oil. You are right that increased demand plays a major part. However, virtually every action the current administration has taken increases the price of oil. Invading Iraq took a sizable amount of oil off the market. Sabre rattling about Iran does the same thing. One thing the oil market really doesn't like is uncertainty, and the Bush-Cheney administration has created plenty of that. They definitely cause some of the price increases. My personal view is that is probably somewhere about 50/50 between increased demand and political impact.

  • Posted By: LudwigVanBeet @ 09/02/2008 12:44:38 PM

    Where in the he-- does the Media come up with all of you short ,big-headed midgets like Fareem, Costas, Stephenopouis God do all of you have a short man's complex. Fareem , please go home.

  • Posted By: Kirko @ 09/02/2008 12:40:41 PM

    I can't believe a Newsweek writer did not thoroughly research his or her subject. Georgia was the one who attacked South Ossetia unprovoked and killed South Ossetians and Russian advisers before the Russians responded with an attack. This wasn't an unprovoked attack by the Russians. The U.S. would never allow its soldiers to be attacked and killed in an unprovoked manner without responding in the same manner. Bad reporting by Newsweek.

  • Posted By: frenchpatou @ 09/02/2008 12:40:02 PM

    Some of You commenters out there, really need to go back to "high school" to be re-introduced to proper spelling, before you can "comment " on anything at all !

  • Posted By: orodionov @ 09/02/2008 12:33:57 PM

    I think this is another dishonest portrayal of the events that really ignored the facts on the ground( or just have no clue) How can you possibly say: ??????Russia has become more dysfunctional, corrupt, dictatorial and assertive..???. Russia WAS dysfunctional, corrupt, and dictatorial, in the 90???s. In fact, it was a failed state with crushed economy, criminal anarchy, complete luck of law and order and luck of functional institutions that we associate with democracy. And of course there was NO free media in the 90s. It was wholly owned and operated by the few oil rich oligarchs who pulled all the strings in the country. Putin changed it all. It made him admired by 70 +% of the population for over 8 years. Russian transformation under Putin begun before oil price rise( 1999-2004) and it is remarkable. While Russia continues to have well documented problems,t those problems are being tackled head on. Situation on the ground improves year after year. Just talk to people on the Russian streets if you have any doubts.

    Of course this war was not ??????major strategic blunder?????? by any means. Seeing Georgia???s army being pumped full of money and weapons by US, Russia was fully prepared for eventuality: When someone has so many guns he will use them, especially under lunatic Georgian leadership. Georgian army started the war by indiscriminately and massively bombing South Ossetian capital. Russian response was quick and brilliantly executed. 5 days it was all over. US neocons in ???heritage foundation??? called it ???classic combined arms operation???. Disproportional response?? Russians just successfully applied ( Colin) Powell Doctrine, something US did in the first Iraq war.

    There is one important fact this article got right: ??????In fact, the real challenge we face in dealing with Moscow is that we have too few such ties and, as a result, too little leverage?????? Do you know that Russia was trying to get admitted in the NATO in early 2000s?? It got denied admission and instead created NATO-Russian council. Do you know that Russia tried to get into WTO for 13 years?? Do you know that US still didn???t repel soviet era laws against Russia?? Russia tried to get into closer cooperation with the west but was repeatedly denied admission, instead it got US cancellation of the missile treaty and missile systems on its borders. From all that Russia made very logical conclusion that west still interested in Russian isolation and confrontation, not cooperation.

    Fareed, I really liked your analysis of middle east politics, but please read up on Russia before posting this shollow analysis of Russo Georgian war. I would strongly recommend www.stratfor.com US maintained and in-depth geopolitical analysis.

  • Posted By: thom77 @ 09/02/2008 12:14:34 PM

    I think this is a vast oversimplification; you???re big mistake here is the assumption that Putin actually wants to act in the interest of greater Russia, when in actuality he just wants absolute power. Putin has gained far more than "70,000 South Ossetians" with this gambit. He has postured himself as a force to be reckoned with; the undisputed leader of his region and one in which the US and EU are powerless to stop. He doesn't care about sanctions or world opinion; he has no reason to. At the end of the day, he'll still sell his oil. Everything else is secondary.

    The thing is, the Russian people eat this stuff up. They LOVE that they have a tough-guy leader who thumbs his nose at the world and shoots tigers and builds new missiles and takes his shirt off and has military parades in Red Square. Especially after nearly two decades of post-cold war humiliation as a third-rate power, they are hungry for these demonstrations, and intolerant (at best) towards those who seek to point out the underlying problems in the society he created (as indicated by the murder of journalists and opposition leaders, demonization of the west, etc.)

    Is it short-sighted? Maybe it is. Oil prices won???t stay this high forever, and if things get too scary, foreign business and investment will move away. Not to mention that few tyrants meet with happy fates in the end. But at the moment, Putin is riding very high within his own borders, which seems to be all he really needs (he???s already enriching himself personally by the billions). The US isn???t going to stop him (or even contain him) anytime soon, especially under an Obama administration. Nor is Europe or China. I would reckon that he could probably send a few tanks into Berlin right now and face only slightly more than a slap on the wrist from the international community, while a monument to his honor would be erected in Moscow.

    And this is what really matters to the man. He???s an old-style Soviet, but one who realized that communism isn???t the best way to absolute power, capitalist authoritarianism is. And to that end, he seems to be very effective.

  • Posted By: magiclady @ 09/02/2008 11:42:28 AM

    There is enough documentation of Georgia instigating, with the fingerprints of the United States and Israel all over it, this attack on Ossetia which the Russians countered to protect the people, This article is a far cry from the truth.

    • Posted By: Naver @ 09/02/2008 12:10:57 PM

      Russia instigated the whole thing. It armed both "sepratist" groups. There was a attack on Georgian troops that resulted in Georgia going into South Ossetia to stop that. And Russia just happened to have all those troops near by and already ready to move. Come on thats not a coincidence. Everyone and their mother knows Russia caused this. Funny how the other "sepratist" region did not start acting up until Russian troops entered the region. Let me guess another coincidence. Putin is a power mad loon. And he is going to send Russia back to how Russia was a decade ago. "Hey my name is Putin! Come with me T.V. crew while I go stage a hunt for an indangered species." Please.

  • Posted By: amendment2man @ 09/02/2008 12:09:09 PM

    we must indicate our displeasure with their actions with economic power. they are indeed drunk on oil profits yet are now irreversibly mired in the worlds economic engine. they are no longer isolated and alone as in the past.

    their stock market and personal walth are far more important to them now.

  • Posted By: fzimm @ 09/02/2008 11:40:13 AM

    If your article is true, that Globalization is the counter balance to Russian militarism, then John McCain's militaristic threats to Russia is equally off base.

  • Posted By: fzimm @ 09/02/2008 11:39:34 AM

    If your article is true, that Globalization is the counter balance to Russian militarism, then John McCain's response of militaristic threats to Russia is equally off base.

  • Posted By: Tom Dick and Harry @ 09/02/2008 11:19:11 AM

    Russia not only has Oil, it also has natural gas which most of the European goverments depend on. When the thing are the way they are, what kind of leverage are you expecting to have agains Russia?

  • Posted By: Newsweekisracist @ 09/02/2008 11:09:16 AM

    terrible article.

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