Funny how women still complain about wages, when this article shows that their complaints have no merit anymore.
Funny how women still complain about wages, when this article shows that their complaints have no merit anymore.
There is definitely a culture of irresponsibility among young adult men in our country. It used to be that a 25 year-old was assumed to be an adult for all practical purposes. Now, a 25 year-old male can barely be expected to act like he's out of high school let alone prepared to head a family. The lack of career achievement or financial independence is but a symptom of a larger problem, that is, the lack of personal accountability that is internalized by young adults. Young people do what they feel like more than ever--and complain vociferously when someone calls them on their transgressions. This is the real 'me' generation, a cohort of young people who exist as singular entities devoid of the responsibility to look out for one another. Their sense of entitlement is Ruthian in its voraciousness, and it makes them miserable coworkers, neighbors and citizens.
So right--many young men aren't getting on their feet as soon as they did in the past.
Women have only emasculated men because men let them do it. The solution, boys need to step and act as men. It's called responsibility. Fathers need to spend time with their sons rather than with their 'boys.' If they did that, then it wouldn't be mothers rearing young boys but men passing on the torch. If these immature men still refuse, bring back the draft. The military does make boys into men. I've seen it and experienced it. Death is a motivating factor. A ritual from the ages.
Well, the military may have used to make boys into men, but now even the U.S. military is so full of feminism that you have *** troops - men who have been trained to act as women and women who have been trained to act like men. Being neither male or female in the military makes for mentally ill, illogical troops and entire Units full of VD, adultery, absolute craziness, and outright lack of leadership. If a soldier tries to implement rules that are in place, they are often not allowed to do so by their chain of command for fear of losing troops, the buddy system, the whoredoms system (doing favours for sexual favours). Women in the military are even allowed to fail weight standards because they take birth control pills. The Army, at least, is one big party - a big orgie, actually - with standards shot to hell. Soldiers here at Fort Wainwright are so irresponsible that they are not allowed to carry personal handguns (due to gang activity among soldiers and club shootings involving soldiers), yet are supposed to defend our country. These "guyland" guys are in the military, along with raging feminists, and both male and female whores. A sad, sad state of things, it is.
Why get married so young? If I were young I would wait until at least 35. What's the hurry? You've got your whole life ahead of you to be tied down.
Too bad as a gay man, I'm not able to get married and take full advantage of the responsibilities of being in a committed relationship.
For me it's very simple. Like it has been stated before there isn't "The ONE" out there. There is no pre destined soul mate. There are people and the ability to get along with one another. If a man is married while young and has children and the marriage doesn't work he is financially crushed for years. Why get married to someone when you're young, and just hope for the best? Divorce is so common people find out they're not happy with one another and get divorced HALF the time. Might as while live life find what you love and enjoy and make mistakes that won't haunt you for the next 18 yrs. It's hard enough to get by in these times without having to pay alimony and child support.
This article fails completely in getting to the point. Many twenty and thirty-something males would be more than happy to find a wonderful woman to settle down with, but are completely incapable of doing so either because they can't afford it, the women they are meeting want nothing to do with marriage (quite common -- I met plenty of women in college who said they didn't want to get married -- they wanted to pursue a career and to many of them, men are nothing but animated dildos), the women they meet are neurotic and terribly disturbed, the women they meet are obese and unhealthy, or they are looking for the "perfect" guy or the next exciting fling that will make them feel better about themselves. I know plenty of guys in their 20's and 30's who are having a nearly impossible time finding a woman to settle down with -- or they are in no position to do so. One friend is single at age 30, owns his own business, drives a cadillac, has his own apartment -- yet he has resorted to internet dating and can't find a woman that's right for him. He was engaged to be married some time ago and his fiance cheated on him. I, myself, am in my mid-thirties and living at home with my parents. I have always wanted to meet a nice woman and get married, but have hardly been able to even hope for this, realistically. After graduating from college with honors, my first job paid $10/hr. I was told the average turn-around on the job was 3 months. I lasted 6. My second job paid $10 and ran me into the ground. My third job, $10.50/hr. Now I am starting over in a temp job that pays $14/hr. I have thousands in student loan debt and a car loan, not to mention other debts, including thousands owed to my parents. You think I can get married? Hell, women of my caliber (intellectually, educationally, etc.) don't want anything to do with me. As it is, I am working full-time, have a second job, yet can hardly afford my own apartment, let alone a house. Don't blame the young men -- blame feminism and the "liberated" females who don't want marriage because they can use a "toy" -- either a plastic one or a live one to satisfy them, and our crappy economy in which it is very difficult if not impossible for men to afford marriage and a home. So to the author -- that's great that you're getting married, consider yourself fortunate that you can actually afford to do so and that you have been lucky enough to find a woman who wants to marry you. Many guys are not so privileged.
So many of my classmates, class of 2001, are still mired in Guyland and think it is the best thing ever. The fact that I have a wife and a house seems so "domestic" to them, which they say with palpable derision. I got my partying out of me in collge, but it has always been clear to me that college is where that behavior belongs. If you want to prolong that kind of fun, go to grad school; at least then you're still a student.
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The Poverty of Feminism
I have three main objections to feminism.
1 The political territory which feminism claims to occupy is already covered by classical liberalism. We already have perfectly good theories about human rights and civil rights and political equality, and we just don't need another one. Under a liberal reading, women are no different from anybody else: there isn???t really any such thing as ???women???s rights???, any more than ???left-handed people???s rights???.
2 The intellectual quality of the analysis offered by feminists is desperately poor. Feminists have appropriated the domain of sexual politics for themselves. 'We are the authority on this matter', they claim, 'if you want to know about sexual politics, come to us, and we will tell you what to think. Your opinions are not welcome'. Not only is this a deeply authoritarian attitude, which should arouse our hostility in itself, but having seized power in this area, they have, from society's point of view, done a spectacularly poor job. Surely the first task of any such organisation would be to produce an analysis, a model of the task domain. Yet not only is feminism's analysis of sexual relations pathetically inadequate, it is, even worse, dangerously misleading, dogmatic, self-serving and divisive.
3 They are not fulfilling their responsibilities to society. Surely, the role of any organisation which claims to address problems in sexual politics should be, first and foremost, to act as an honest broker. Feminists should be the UN peacekeepers of the sexual landscape, the impartial police who arbitrate in disputes, who identify potential sources of conflict and pour oil on troubled waters. The primary role of any such organisation should surely be to promote harmony, good relations and communication between the sexes. Yet feminists do precisely the opposite. Far from impartial, they act only in their own narrow interests, they regard men as an enemy to be defeated, they stir up hatred and moral panic at every opportunity. They are not police but vigilantes.
Forever married to the outdated Marxist and Psychoanalytic dogmas of the late 1960s, their analysis of issues can never improve. The 1960s counter-culture produced an outlook on life which is deeply anti-social and maladjusted to say the least.
The society in which we grew up, the safest, wealthiest, healthiest and most liberal society in history, is regarded as the root of all evil in the world. The whole society in which we live, our own culture, must be completely razed to the ground. Only then can we rebuild a New Jerusalem from the ashes. To say that this is an irrational belief is putting it mildly. Revolutionary politics is misleading and pessimistic, because it teaches us that social reform is impossible. We cannot change anything unless we change everything. Yet that is the political outlook, derived from the most unsavoury role models, Marx, Lenin and Mao, that the hippies of the 1960s adopted.
I'm 23 and just got of college, I've seen my friends ruined by this male-child life style. Where does it come from, and why won't men just grow up? Because they have no father figures, no male role models. Today all men are given today as role models are either rock stars or movie stars. These male role models do not exist in their day to day lives, so they become them. Plus, the culture is different with more women using the pill more than ever and condoms have been become the norm for the entire country and women that these men sleeping with, are the same women who grew up on sex and the city. Sex is everywhere and you don't have to put in any work to get it, or that is what men been sold to believe in ads. Men have been entertain to death by notion that you shouldn't have to work for what you want, and you can goof your way through life and the only woman that they really need is mom. I think women want more to. There prince charming has been replaced by Mr. Big. A Guy with money, with power and a big, well you get the idea. I think ideas of what men want and what women want are out of propotion, men want crazy sex with a beautiful woman everyday and women want not security and to be cared for, and loved but sexy billonaire who only has eyes for her. No wonder why nobody is happy it is because we all believe we are entitled to something that doesn't exist.
Very True, you should read Affluenza by Oliver James
I'm a college senior who's hoping to some day find a husband a raise a family. I agree that men and women have the wrong images about what an ideal partner should look like.
Both men and women need to remember that marriage is about more than love. It's about finding someone who you can raise a family with, and who can help you through life. Women shouldn't be looking for gorgeous billionaries, but hard workers who will stick with them through thick and thin. Men, in turn, shouldn't look for a beautiful woman, but someone who will also work hard, either at home or in the workplace, to build a home and a family. Marriage is about more than sex and love - its about commitment to the same goals.
Love this article - it completely defines a pressing phenomenon among us Males today. I think it's important to also look at other factors that have recently stepped into the equation; pets. I love dogs just as much as the next person, but have they replaced men and children to some degree. This girl asked me the other day whether or not I had a dog. I responded politely with "nope, I'm holding out for a kid".
What? Dude, did you even read the article?
Have you ever considered that you may not choose the right kind of women? I mean, there is a bunch of generalization in this article, but i'm kind of tired of all those men complaining about how women have more control and how women are all the same. Women have been repressed in their relationship for centuries. And when I say repressed, I mean beat up, raped, controled, murdered etc. What are you complaining about? Maybe you shouldn't choose your girlfriend with your dick but with your head. And if you loose control of your life when you are in a relationship, it is your fault. I mean, when someone tries to controle you, you don't even defend yourself? You'd rather play the victime and complain on the internet? You clearly can't communicate and verbalized your needs and your goals. Come on! Being an adult isn't just about marriage and kids. It's about being self confident, moderate, being able to communicate. you may not be the type of bachelor who sit in a beanbag, but you are clearly the type who choose a girl for her physic. And when you realize that she is in fact a total bitch, you can't convince yourself to dump such a nice ass. Instead, you complain about how women are all the same and in 5 years you'll end up with a bullet in your brain. Nice.
The other side of the story, and I agree with you. I have done this, but I just wanted sex rather than a relationship.
It's a great time to be a guy. Nobody cares if you succeed, marriage is a joke and the only responsibility we have is getting to work on time. Even better, now that women make more money we can relax a live life without worrying about providing for anybody. As a 26 year old man I officially hand over the keys to American women. Take the office, take the job, I'm going to experience this thing called life. Cya around.
Yuppers, make sure you are investing so when you hit your thirties, you'll have much much more opportunities available.
Of course men are stuck in guyland. American society, like all of the West, is a Matriarchy and as such there is no incentive for them to act as responsible hard working adults.
This article and the responses are interesting. As a female who is currently finishing her Masters, I've found the descriptions in these comments and the article astonishingly accurate. But my opinion is this. Women, don't worry so much about guys being like this. For the professional or aspiring graduate, guys like this are perfect. They afford you the freedom you need to get your work done, allow you to see them when you want, and are always out partying so its not as though you miss much.
I've spend the summer living a similar lifestyle while simultaneously bitching about it and trying to figure it out. It didn't happen. The truth is that I'm in this agegroup, and most of the guys that i know are like this. But an even better part of it is that many of us women are too. Why spend all your 20s worrying about kids and family? Forget it. This type of lifestyle allows you to get all your irresponsibility out before you settle down. And settling down in your 30s may not be such a bad idea anyway. by that time, you've had your fill of partying, irresponsibility, and chaos. And if you haven't, well, you may just be "that friend" that everyone's spouse has. The one you hope they only hang out with occcasionally because of their inability to snap out of their youth.
Give the guys a break. They're just trying to have fun too. And they're probably scared shitless. Embrace it ladies. It just allows you more control and more avenues to achieve. And honestly, its the 21 century. You really don't need a guy around for a while anyway. The guys will come around, they always do. Use the down time to achieve and better yurself. Y
Typical irresponsible illogical feminist American female. That's it, just throw away your fertility.
But she raises an interesting point. Women have no fundamental problem with "guyland" because it's a product (or construct) of feminist society. It also provides them with a population of unattached males (some of which are sought-after alphas) which they can use as disposable penises.
As far as women are concerned, alpha males are wasted on marriage. They should be out in circulation serving the collective.
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Wow... Tony Dokoupil really made me realize how awesome it would have been if I had settled on marrying my high maintenance miserable girlfriend from college. Just think of what I could have been...And to the older crowd bashing this generation thanks for leaving us with a a crumbling economy, sky-rocketing healthcare because of all the aging people in our country that can't stay away from the Country Buffet, out of control government debt, cost of living inflation... The list goes on and on. So before anyone starts hating on the new generation they should probably consider that one day they'll have to thank us for fixing all the **** they left for us. Maybe the older and apparently better generation because they married young should have learned what and adjustable rate mortgage was.
Who is the hot girl in the picture for the article in the magazine? The description indicates the picture was taken in Las Vegas. She has black hair, an incredible body and a great smile. She's the girl in the bottom left corner of the picture. Does anybody know?
The guys are acting silly because the women want too much attention. In the old realm of courtship, family ties, waiting versus jumping when the chance comes, has led men to feel insecure about the dance of courtship, which indeed can start most easily by dancing. Dancing is a suggestive way to share goals ranging from desire to intimacy on a more sensual level as in "you smell good" or "you fit well near me".
When guys are amped up from long hours at work, lack of sleep added to booze to lack of real workouts, you get horny men with unleashed primal desire and nowhere to gently put them; thus, the agro man looking for the conquest. Often the agro woman fresh out from behind her cubicle with a low cut dress and booze in her tummy is often readily available. Women need to slow down, then the men will too. Grace brings gracefulness. Sooooo, guys do what you want and women who don't care will be all around you or, slow down and think a little about your conquests. Forgive yourself and then you will be open to receive a ....nice girl who will be true and love you but remember to hang up your long glances at the bar. You had your fun.
You wish you had my life, jerkoff.
Sincerely,
Octagon
Male, 27, single and awesome.
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