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  • Posted By: saved1one @ 09/05/2008 10:00:25 AM

    It's easy for some of you to condemn the Iraq war and reasons for our young men and women being there. When the 9/11 background is shown the only reason is to make perfectly clear to every man, women, and child in the US the reason why we are there and not fighting this monster on our own turf, which is what we'd be doing with the Demo's spirit of passivity. The late X-Pres Carter was notorious for this type of action and it hurt the overall image of the US. Don't even think I don't know what I'm talking about; I gave my wonderful country 20 years. Ask others of our military families in the trenches, (who've been in countries that make you feel threatened even when active war isn???t happening), they???ll say, it's not a comfortable position to be in, and it???s very ???High Stress.??? The last thing they want to hear is how wrong the Iraq war is and these images are. Remind yourselves you???re talking about people like yourselves who have families and children. Many civilians who they serve day and night including weekends and holidays to protect and are ready to die for, were removed from the face of our country in minutes by some idiots who don't even serve a real live God! How insane can you be about this issue? You Demos love to paint gray clouds even when there are rainbows of hope on the horizons. Repig party? Out of control Party? You liberals have a long hard way to hoe in the US and we???re not sorry to disappoint you but we will never be a Socialist Gov. If you want to persist in Liberalism and a Socialism movement you need to move to those countries that have that type of Gov. By the way take your parents and Aunts and Uncles and Grand parents with you because in most of those countries such things as nursing homes are not there (you have to take care of your own relatives), nor do they all have retirement plans, and not even social security. They may offer you hospital and medical coverage at affordable cost, that???s because it will take the whole family of 4 or more to just work to have enough to pay for groceries and a place to live under one roof weekly. Oh! forget about really owning anything much, the big government owns it all in taxes to run the country. One more thing, some of these third world countries do not even have a military!! So who???s protecting them? You guessed it! In most cases the US or some other outside powerful country is being brought into their lands to bring them some sense of peace. Bring on the photos and memories of our loved ones who were removed because of some rouges who devalue life to making it a living bomb for the sake of Allah?

    • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 09/05/2008 11:47:37 AM

      i support the war from day one i have fought in it and have 3 kids doing the same right now !

  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 09/05/2008 9:54:27 AM

    Part 1 Who got Obama started in his political career? William Ayers, of course, is the Weather Underground bomber. And Obama began his career, his coming out party in 1995, and Ayers and Bernadine Dorns home.
    And then for, you know, some 20 years, Obama has been working with Ayers, certainly since 1995, on a series of foundations: the Annenberg Foundation and the Woods Foundation. The boards of directors together, or in the Annenberg Foundation, Ayers created it, and Obama was on it. And together they spent the money of these foundations to implement their radical socialist agenda.
    A lot of people say, no, they just know each other. They???re not friends. Just because -- you know, just because they worked on boards together.
    Obama was in 1995 going to take the seat of Alice Palmer, who is also an extreme socialist. She???s an African-American who had actually gone to Russia and had attended communist party meetings and reported on them. And it was all very much of a leftist gathering.
    Ayers and Dorns were like the stamp of approval on Obama, introducing them to their click of leftist friends for funding and for advancing his candidacy. So that very beginning was a chosen intentionally association with Ayers and Dorns to launch Obama`s career, and Obama knew exactly what he was doing picking him.
    Senator Obama is the one who???s saying, "This is just another guy in my neighborhood," but in fact, that???s not true at all. It may turn out to be that they had a much closer relationship through their work together on the Annenberg Challenge to create their ideas to control the government and its people that???s the challenge!
    His agenda -- I believe, in 2001, in which Ayers was unrepentant, saying that he wished he bombed more. And obama???s greatest influence is
    Saul Alinsky he was a radical socialist organizer. His main book was "Rules for Radicals." His methodology was you go in as a community organizer. That means, really, a rabble-rouser.
    You rub raw the discontent of the community, almost in a communist sense. You find class antagonisms. You learn to speak the grievances in the people???s own logic and language, and then you go for radical redistribution of income and wealth through gaming power and mobilizing the community. Making them think that your working for them by doing small stuff that seems to help but ultimately you gain far more than the people you help it???s a trick to get them on your side because it seems you care about them and in turn they move you to the top of the political ladder!

    • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 09/05/2008 9:55:36 AM

      Part 2???
      The -- the connection to Saul Alinsky. In
      Fact, Alinsky had change as his mantra. And by it, he meant radical socialist redistribution of income from the haves to the have-nots. That was the primary purpose.
      Alinsky dedicated "Rules to Radicals" to Lucifer, whom he called the first radical. And he said it was a Machiavellian approach, which means you???ll lie, do whatever you need to do to get power, because the haves were going to lose to the have-nots, who were being championed by this community organizer. (Obama)
      The theme is common that Senator Obama made in San Francisco about people are bitter, clinging to God and to guns. That is actually a paraphrase of something Saul Alinsky wrote in that same book, in "Rules for Radicals."
      A very condescending view that he has of the middle class as people who are lost, who -- he says that they turn bitter, because they cling to certain fixed points that are elusory, but very real to them. They ask questions that Alinsky considers meaningless, like what does our flag mean to you? Interestingly, something that was just said at the Republican convention. That???s Alinsky. You know,obama???s his influence coming through.
      Just take a look at his taxation policies. He wants to increase capital gains, because he says they???re unfair.
      The point is that he clings to this relationship. And he???s even defending Ayers now. His campaign is defending Ayers, despite the fact that he???s an unrepentant terrorist who set bombs and may, according to congressional testimony, may have even been involved or had knowledge of a bombing that killed somebody. That???s the important thing.
      Alinsky taught to say whatever is necessary to get power. That???s the Machiavellian approach. When Obama articulates policy positions, especially moving to the center, it may be completely calculated. We will not see the real Obama until its too late then we are going to be stuck in a radical system that will take a civil war to get out of !

  • Posted By: martin_gray @ 09/05/2008 12:57:05 AM

    Yes, Harley has certainly called it correctly. The Republicans have gotten a lot of mileage from 9/11. I never could have guessed that they would be using it in a campaign seven years later. They love to plant fear of the unknown and anxiety which keeps emotions high and diverts attention from our far larger problems today. I worry far more about the economy, off-shoring of our best technical jobs, the loss of the middle class, the high cost of medical care, and so on.

    We lose sight of the big picture, of the larger issues when are minds are constantly filled with fear of terroists and other unknowns. Karl Rove was a master at planting these fears and also on the vicious attack campaigns that the Republicans love to use and do so effectively. Tell enough lies and tell them often enough and people finally begin to believe them.

  • Posted By: avg joe25 @ 09/04/2008 10:34:52 PM

    RNC is out of control.
    I don't know how much more crap they will fling around.
    I agree with Harley -- showing clips of 9/11 is unwarranted and a terrible mistake.
    Lets drill now? Yeah, maybe we could drill now if we had the money to...

  • Posted By: joelpalmer @ 09/04/2008 9:29:16 PM

    Why not investigate the "Master's Commission" in Wasilla??? These guys are nuts

  • Posted By: Music Mama @ 09/04/2008 5:38:11 PM

    Who cares what denomination Sarah Palin is! The point is that she has deep-rooted morals and ethics, which are things that are most definitely lacking in Washington these days! Sarah Palin is a breath of fresh-air and is inspiring people all over with her small-town upbringing, and successul political record!

  • Posted By: DDHinCA @ 09/04/2008 4:31:56 PM

    I am so sick and tired of people making assumptions about evangelical Christians, and our doctrines - especially the issue of submission in marriage. The biblical view of marriage is for both partners to submit to each other in a spirit of respect and sacrificial love. It has absolutley nothing to do with a wife taking orders from her husband as if she has nothing to bring to the table. And, as for the comment about why would Sarah Palin bring a Down Sydrome child into the world - well, apparently your parents should have thought twice about bringing you into the world because you apparently also have mental handicap. Do imperfect people have the right to be born? We had better all hope so!

  • Posted By: Leslie_Mc @ 09/04/2008 4:08:14 PM

    Ilar -
    "I dont know what doctrine Mrs Palin's church subscribes to . . . . . .
    . . . . . . .Why would she bring a Down Syndrone child into the world. Who will see after it, God forbid, if something should happen to her? Not who I want to have to take over the presidency."

    these are quotes taken directly from you. What church doctrine do you subscribe to where you know beforehand if your child will have any problems or that would condone not bringing a child into the world because that child has Down Syndrome? As far as who will take care of the child (his name is Trig I believe) if something were to happen to her, I do believe he has a father. Are men not capable of taking care of children just because they are men?

  • Posted By: Ilar @ 09/04/2008 2:50:17 PM

    I dont know what doctrine Mrs Palin's church subscribes to, but tearing our fellow man down is forbidden by God's statures. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" According to the Bible, we are to train up a child in the ways they should go, and when they are old they shall not depart from them" Her daughter was not raised properly by the Palins. Why would a good mother drag her unwed daughter, big with child into the limelight of the gnarling teeth of gossipers around the world? Were they so selfish that they, the Palins threw their pregnant child under the bush for fame? Bush turned a blind eye to many retarded people when he closed down many state hospitals; and did the same for veteran hospitals. Why would she bring a Down Syndrone child into the world. Who will see after it, God forbid, if something should happen to her? Not who I want to have to take over the presidency.

  • Posted By: Bunnylover @ 09/04/2008 2:15:35 PM

    Do either of Governor Palin's churches preach that women should be submissive to men?

  • Posted By: kangaman @ 09/02/2008 3:26:16 PM

    all I can say.........speaking in tongues!!! Bwahahahahah!!! Heaven help us indeed!!!!

    • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 09/02/2008 3:41:33 PM

      Beware of mocking. You know not of what you speak. Woe to those who touch the Lords annointed.

      A mohammed in the White House??? GOD forbid. and HE has.

      NOBAMA!!!

      • Posted By: jradmacher @ 09/02/2008 4:32:49 PM

        Wake up! Obama isn't Muslim; he is more Christian than you are. You are just using more scare tactics. The ignorant do that since they have nothing intelligent to say.

        • Posted By: star3 @ 09/02/2008 6:59:47 PM

          Jrad, yes the ignorant do that; welcome to that catagory, and hope you will refrain from using so many scare tactics in the future, most of them are becoming boring. But so glad to see you are, at least, intelligent enough to recognize your status. Now, if you could only recognize truth.....

          • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 09/02/2008 7:45:41 PM

            Sounds like you're still sleeping in ignorant bliss. Well, that's O.K., don't worry your pretty little head about anything. We'll take care of the country for the next eight years.

            • Posted By: star3 @ 09/02/2008 9:48:39 PM

              Gee, thanks for the offer, Zig, that is soooo YOU! I'm inpressed with your ability to do just that, as well as your "nice", generous offer, but if its all the same to you, I'll just continue to muddle my way along with the other "idiots". Oh, do you think you might have any other insults to offer? Idiot is starting to become repetious and..yawnnn...boringgg.

              • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 09/04/2008 10:59:19 AM

                Yeah, you're right - stupid, moron, doofus ... those aren't bad, but there is just something so special about the word idiot. Oh wait, how about dumb***.

      • Posted By: nissi @ 09/02/2008 4:44:26 PM

        Go and read and meditate on God's word first!
        What would Jesus do?

        • Posted By: star3 @ 09/02/2008 6:53:57 PM

          nissi, honey, you seem to be an authority on what Jesus would do or say, so why don't YOU enlighten us? I admit I do not know precisely what He would say or do, but I try not to offend Him, sometimes I am successful, sometimes I'm not (and we are usually smart enough to know when we goofed!), so I am just very thankful for His understanding & forgivness!

          • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 09/02/2008 7:42:30 PM

            Now you know I can't pass this one up.

            Jesus would light up a joint, pour himself a beer, take a look at you, and ask "Are you out of your friggin mind". Then he would give you a good slap.

            After which he would sit down and have a nice meal with Barack and Michelle.

            • Posted By: star3 @ 09/02/2008 9:42:59 PM

              Zig, sweetie, no offense, but..er..I believe you have Jesus confused with Je'sus, the Mexican. Problem with some people is they think manuel labor is a mexican who works for them.

              • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 09/04/2008 10:56:51 AM

                That is a little racist, don't you think? Didn't have you pegged as one of those.

                See, I am far from perfect.

    • Posted By: star3 @ 09/02/2008 6:47:55 PM

      Kang, would you rather have us speaking Muslim? If the terrorist aren't stopped, it could happen. And careful what you say about anything connected with God or his people, the Bible says God will not be mocked."

      • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 09/02/2008 7:44:13 PM

        So that's the choice, speak in tongues or speak muslim. Hmmm. Tongues ... Muslim. Toungues ... Muslim. Can I just stick with English and call you an idiot?

        • Posted By: star3 @ 09/02/2008 9:36:28 PM

          Wow! You actually asked permission! All is not lost, after all, there is hope for you!

      • Posted By: Taxpayer @ 09/02/2008 10:14:49 PM

        Is Muslim now a language?

        • Posted By: star3 @ 09/03/2008 1:37:01 AM

          LOL Tax, good question, don't know. The ones I've come in contact with all spoke English.

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 09/02/2008 3:49:49 PM

    I'll bet when Palin debates Little Joe Biden, she won't PLAGURIZE her comments. I'm also sure her SON is not a Washington lobbyist. I'll bet her pastor doesn't say GOD DAMN AMERICA or AMERI..KKK.A . I'll bet Palin, isn't friends with unrepentant terrorists. I'll bet none of political donor's are Federally Convicted bid riggers. I'll bet Palin is an American citizen. I'll bet she is America's next VP.

    A mohammed in the White House??? GOD forbid...and HE has...

    NOBAMA!!!

    • Posted By: neos @ 09/02/2008 3:53:38 PM

      Yes, I imagine that you and Palin are very much alike..

      • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 09/02/2008 3:55:12 PM

        Thanks....I gladly accept that compliment.

        NOBAMA!!!

        • Posted By: neos @ 09/02/2008 4:13:35 PM

          Uh, it wasn't a compliment...

          • Posted By: star3 @ 09/02/2008 6:43:15 PM

            neos, lol, don't you even recognize sarcasium? Pathetic. Its no wonder you can't recognize truth.

            • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 09/02/2008 7:39:35 PM

              I suspect that it is HollyRoller who cannot recognize sacrasm. And as far as pathetic, I think you may still be in the lead. Hmmm, I'm certian - you're definitely out front.

              How was that for a little sarcasm?

              • Posted By: star3 @ 09/02/2008 9:34:23 PM

                Very good, Zig, lol, I'm proud of you. Now go have fun with your new toy, and leave the adults alone.

                • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 09/04/2008 10:54:08 AM

                  That means I still get to play with you and HollyRoller - right?

                • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 09/03/2008 3:52:21 AM

                  Not many 'adults' on this site.

        • Posted By: nissi @ 09/02/2008 4:35:26 PM

          What would Jesus of Nazareth say to you at this moment?

    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 09/02/2008 4:18:30 PM

      You religous types crack me up. Look at all the skeletons that have popped out of her closet and it has been less than a week.

      It's going to be a great September for Obama!

      • Posted By: star3 @ 09/02/2008 8:27:45 PM

        Zig, you are dispicable! Those aren't skeletons, they are human conditions that all of us have to come to terms with. Its called life, and things happen in everyone's life that they have to make a decision about how they will deal with them, unless, of course, they are "perfect", like you. I'm not so sure I would want to have a perfect person in my life, they could never relate to my imperfect problems, and I could never live up to their expectations of what perfect is. People who sit on pedestals can only experience life from their vantage point of tunnel vision, but the rest of us get to experience it from the ground up.

        • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 09/02/2008 8:44:48 PM

          Thank you for making my point.

          If Sarah Palin is going to stand on her pedestal and tell me that my children should only receive abstinence-before-marriage sex education because it is just improper for people to have sex before they get married - meanwhile, her daughter is getting knocked up by her red neck boyfriend (his words, not mine) - you are absolutely right, I am going to knock her right off that pedestal.

          My life is far from perfect, but it's a pretty good one, at least for me. But just because I like my life the way it is doesn't give me the urge to start telling other people that they have to live their lives the same way I live mine.

          That's what all you religious conservatives don't get. And you never will.

          • Posted By: star3 @ 09/03/2008 1:33:22 AM

            Zig, oh, we get it, we just don't know what to do with it. Zig, I realize this will be difficult for your humble mind to comprehend, but do try: Believem it ot not, if you are happy with your life, then I am happy for you; I can't speak for anyone else, liberal or conservative, but, personally speaking, it has never been my nature to be judgemental about anyone or their lifestyle, even if I do not agree with it, God has not appointed me or anyone else that I am aware of as judge over other people; he reserves that for himsilf, so even though you don't care for my comments, i would appreciate if you don't lump me with every other person on the planet who may feel its their place to tell you how to live your life. As long as your lifestyle doesn't interfer or infringe on mine, or mine on your's, then we should be fine. I joke around a bit when commenting, but in all seriousness, its not my goal to try to tell anyone how to choose their comfort zone. We, apparently, are at different points of view politically, and both parties are guilty of making snide remarks to the other, but a lot of it is just hot air, and if we were face to face, we would be much more civil, we would probably keep our politics private, as well as our religeous beliefs. I do not consider your life my business, just as i do not consider mine to be any of your business. If you may be doing something un-lawful, then it might become public business, but beyond that, live it your way, and i shall do the same.

            • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 09/04/2008 10:53:08 AM

              Now that was a very articulate, well thought out response.

              If everyone felt that way, politics would be far less devisive.

              And while I never thought I would find myself saying this, I agree completely.

      • Posted By: star3 @ 09/02/2008 6:40:32 PM

        ZigZag, I think you chose a very appropriate nickname, however, it seems you zag more often than you zig.

        • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 09/02/2008 7:37:36 PM

          It depends on the day, sometimes a zig more, sometime a zag more, but no matter which direction I am head, I can always spot a right wing Christian nutcase.

    • Posted By: star3 @ 09/02/2008 6:38:13 PM

      Hi, Holyroller, good to see you in here. I remember you from other blogs, and your comments always inspired me, so great to see you are still helping keep the Left straight on the facts. When they say nasty things about you, keep in mind, they did the same thing to another who tried to lead them to the truth, so hang in there, it will be over in another few months, then we can all relax and take a breather, at least until the next issue arises to debate about, and there will be one!

      • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 09/02/2008 7:34:13 PM

        Awww ... awww ... reaching for the air sick bag ... bluuuugh!

        • Posted By: star3 @ 09/02/2008 9:28:01 PM

          Hands Zig a bag---and, oh, by the way, don't forget to put your left over brain cells in there, since they fell out after being squashed from being sat on so long, they really wouldn't be worth trying to salvage, now would they? ....Opps! Sorry...I dropped your last one in the tolit, just trying to be helpful in picking them up for you, but..oh, gosh, clummsey me! But then, you know how we right wingers are....just plain "idiots". Hee Hee, so sorry you'll have to function without your mind, but you're resourseful, so you'll figure something out. Bright idea! (Even we "idiots" do have them occassionaly.) I'll lend you a few of my brain cells, I don't need them all, anyway, and yours were not working too well. Oh, no, no! No need to thank me; anything to "help" a future right wing, "idiot".

          • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 09/04/2008 10:40:04 AM

            Wow, you are such a tard. For future reference, I would stay away from attempting any witty or sarcastic responses. They are just not in your tool kit.

            I would definitely stick to the bible thumping - something like "God is going to smite you". That's much more in line with your style.

            Just trying to help!

      • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 09/02/2008 6:57:30 PM

        Thanks star3....these kooks are kind of like shooting fish in a barrel. More they blabber, the more unrealistic they prove themselves to be.. Mainly a bunch of kids looking for a disability check, to supplement their drug habits.

        NOBAMA!!!

        • Posted By: star3 @ 09/02/2008 9:31:04 PM

          HR, so true. Its a case of the blind leading the blind. And there are none so blind as those who have eyes, yet refuse to see, or those who have ears, but refuse to hear. Stay cool!

        • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 09/02/2008 7:33:07 PM

          The only thing you two idiots are shooting is yourselves - in the foot.

    • Posted By: Young Female Attorney @ 09/02/2008 6:30:17 PM

      Dear Sir/Madam,
      If you are middle class, I strongly urge you to look up where both men stand on the issues. The religious zealousness of your president will not help your taxes or your kids get into college, etc.

      • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 09/02/2008 6:54:25 PM


        maybe not...but a deep recession AT BEST, created by the ignorance of The False One sure won't. His looney tune fantasy will be the end of most of America's strength and glory. It will never come to pass.

        A mohammed in the White House??? GOD forbid...and HE has.

        NOBAMA!!!

        • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 09/02/2008 7:36:27 PM

          The False One? Now that really cracks me up. Woooo ... look out, it's the False One. You're always good for a laugh HR.

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 09/03/2008 3:27:25 PM

    TONIGHTS THE NIGHT.......America will find meet her newest heroine. The glass ceiling will crash in a loud crescendo, and the stereotypes of a strong American women will be no more.

    The sad thing about it though, is this......the very same "champions" for an event like this, are covetous and two-faced. This will be remembered as the time, when the FEMINAZIS were unmasked and made irrelevant, for eternity's sake.

    God BLESS America....Land of the free....and Home of the brave.

    NOBAMA!!!

    • Posted By: neos @ 09/03/2008 4:18:45 PM

      FEMINAZIS?? Do yourself a huge favor. Turn off Limbaugh for a couple of years. Withdrawal from the hive will be difficult, but amazingly transforming. If you distrust the MSM, and I suspect Rush has told you that you do, watch C-span or PBS and start thinking for yourself.

      • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 09/03/2008 4:25:07 PM

        All I need to do is read the blogs, Maureen Dumpy Dowdy and listen to Sally thin skin Quinn and I see them imploding. This is great fun. Palin is revealing hypocrisy and hasn't even taken office. Ya'll are SCARED.....

        NOBAMA!!!

        • Posted By: neos @ 09/03/2008 4:36:50 PM

          Perhaps that is the real issue here. 'This is great fun,' you say. You dervive real pleasure from trying to upset others with you ultra right-wing rants. Is that what your religious background has taught you to do?

          • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 09/03/2008 5:10:38 PM

            First I'm not "religious". Religion brings death. I'm a follower of the Risen Christ, which brings freedom. Christ also warns against the minions of the dark, and the Spirit gives the gift of discernment. My Lord called the Pharisees and Sadducee's for what they were. He did not mince words. WRONG is WRONG...it is not a point of discussion as the liberals wish it to be.

            NOBAMA!!!

            NOBAMA!!!

            • Posted By: neos @ 09/03/2008 5:21:52 PM

              And let me guess, you get to decide what is wrong because of your special standing with Jesus. Well my Holy Fingernail Clipper, the Divine Source of all Being, tells me that you are very, very wrong and suffer from a bad case of importance - not to mention illusions of grandeur and a touch of cognitive dissonance. Guess what, pal. Jesus taught Love and tolerance, not your special brand of hatred and self-righteous bigotry.

              • Posted By: bojack27 @ 09/04/2008 10:36:56 AM

                So are you saying that Jesus taught us to except sinful behavior as normal or to speak out against it? Do you want me to start posting scriptures on this blog to show you otherwise? Hatred is not telling people the truth but telling them that their behavior is acceptable and normal in God's eyes.... self-righteous bigotry! Self righteous are those who claim to follow Christian doctrine but don't adhere to the teachings outline in the bible, but they make up their own brand of Christianity..... therefore trading in the righteousness of God for their own self-made righteousness.... exalting themselves above the one they claim to be following..... Selah!

              • Posted By: AskPlus @ 09/03/2008 6:40:56 PM

                Do you think he checked out Ms. Palin's birth certificate?

  • Posted By: supportUSA @ 09/02/2008 3:52:13 PM

    To RedMeatDemocrat
    Your comment shows your ignorance. It is no different from someone who says "Is the world ready for a "muslim" being one heart beat away from the nuclear launch buttons?" Just because a person is pentecostal does not mean they don't have a brain in their head and cannot make sound decisions. You should get your Bible out & read it sometime. People disparage speaking in tongues because they don't understand it and are AFRAID to find out about it. I would challenge everyone to get their Bible's out and read the entire New Testament but especially the books of St John and Romans and Acts with an open mind. Only then do you really have the right to voice an opinion about the issue of whether tongues are real or not.

    • Posted By: star3 @ 09/02/2008 6:30:26 PM

      Support, some people have the ability to speak in tounges, others do not, even if they belong to the same church. As a child, I attended a church where a few of the members spoke in tounges, They were very nice people, and I know the Bible does mention it. I guess, I always kind of hoped it could be translated by the person speaking it, so we could understand what they had said, but I was led to believe it was a holy, pure language, and was one used to speak with God, sometimes, by those people who could. Of course, we can speak with God in our own way, through Jesus; I was just curious as to what was being said. Anyway, its a mystery to most of us, but not our place to judge what we don't understand. People like Redmeat sound like one who is too egotistical to ever believe there is a power higher than themselves. The Bible is not a fairy tale, but it is a book of many interesting stories, if one only takes the time to read it; it has something for everyone---mysterys, adventure, heroic tales, and romance. And when Jesus was telling a story, he always made it clear if it were a parable he was using to make a point.

      • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 09/02/2008 9:07:58 PM

        You're curious what was being said. No problem! Here is what they said:

        umba umba shumba lumpa ding dong

        Satisfied?

        • Posted By: star3 @ 09/03/2008 1:12:07 AM

          Zig, I think I know that song, could you hum a few more bars just to be sure? Didn't the group "The Jackasses" make an album of that, plus a few other diddies such as "Ohwhatagooseiam", and "Please help me, i'm falling into the pit of empty dreams"?

          • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 09/04/2008 10:36:16 AM

            No, you're getting that confused with the hymns you sing in church each week. Put that's O.K. - it's an easy enough mistake to make.

      • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 09/03/2008 3:50:19 AM

        Gotta love that Bible vocabularly: behold, lo, fishes, heavens, rejoice, smote, slew, crucified, etc.

        Evangelicals rely on the Bible's teachings to claim that they alone know what God wants for America.

        Thankfully, God also populated America with millions of sensible citizens who clearly understand the doctrine of separation of church and state.

    • Posted By: Red Meat Democrat @ 09/02/2008 4:00:53 PM

      I have read the Bible and I used to be a Christian until I learned to think for myself. I once had some friends who were Pentecostals and I went to many of their church services. They were good people but they believed in fairy tales. I prefer my government to be secular and my leaders to be grounded in reality.

  • Posted By: JOJAZZ @ 09/02/2008 4:10:00 PM

    Sarah is part of a coalition of Alaskans who want to be separate and free of the United States. How can she accept being the VP of a country she doesn't even want to be part of? You can't have it both ways. How is this justified?????

    • Posted By: star3 @ 09/02/2008 5:57:52 PM

      JoJazz, I am totally underwelmed by the proof you have offered here to back up your statement.

      • Posted By: JOJAZZ @ 09/02/2008 6:22:34 PM

        star3.....you must be a load of fun. You are SO underwhelmed about everything ! Is that all you can offer? THAT underwhelms ME !!!

        • Posted By: star3 @ 09/02/2008 9:11:45 PM

          Uh Huh...Still don't see any proof offered.

          • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 09/04/2008 10:34:26 AM

            JOJAZZ was waiting for you to provide some proof on all your rants and ravings.

            Tap ... tap ... tap ... still waiting.

  • Posted By: jradmacher @ 09/02/2008 4:22:40 PM

    Oh no here we go again. Sometimes I think these right wing extremist have too much in common with Muslim extremist. They are the one???s that have bombed abortion clinics and also seem to get caught doing the very thing they preach against. I hate to classify a group of people but most of the Pentecostal I have met are more like cult members than church groups. It seems like their minds are like cement. All mixed up and permanently set. This is the same type of church that Jimmy Jones created, remember drinking the cool aid? This is all we need is politicians speaking in tongues now. They already have a hard enough time speaking and telling the truth in English.

    • Posted By: star3 @ 09/02/2008 5:54:41 PM

      Jrad, just as you would not want to have all of the Left Wings clumped together in one catagory like clones, so would the Right Wings appreciate not being clumped together like clones. There are radicals on both sides of the fence, and I give you credit enough to know that.

      • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 09/02/2008 7:28:21 PM

        Yeah, but there are a lot more conservatives that think it is their job to tell the rest of us how to live our lives. The majority of American's are tired of it. And you'll get the message come November.

        • Posted By: star3 @ 09/02/2008 9:09:47 PM

          Zig, most conservatives don't really give a rat's fat butt how anyone else lives their life, we just want to be able to continue to live ours in freedom and peace, and unless the terrorist are stopped, all of us will learn just what we have lost after its too late. The Hippie era was fond of chanting "Give Peace A Chance." Well, we gave peace a chance, and this is the result. The Hippie era, like the dinosaur era is extinct, but the difference is we can't use the hippies to make fossil fuel. My suggestion is to either get your heart into America, or get your ass out of it.

          • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 09/04/2008 10:32:41 AM

            I was wondering how long it was going to take you to resort to the old - think like me or leave this country response.

            I actually thought it would be a bit longer. Silly me for giving you too much credit.

      • Posted By: jradmacher @ 09/02/2008 6:13:28 PM

        By the way I am not left winger as you stated. I am just a moderate independent tired of the neocons hijacking our nation.

      • Posted By: jradmacher @ 09/02/2008 6:12:02 PM

        You did see were I put in the word extremist didn't you?

  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 09/02/2008 4:35:07 PM

    It is obvious that the democrats and leftist liberals have never been to Alaska. I think that everyone should know not to poke a grizzly bear with a stick and wake it up because it will be very angry and attack! Now factor in a cub that???s there and you???ve really got a problem! This is what the liberal has done by attacking Sarah palin and her daughter Bristol. She may have been hurt and had some resentment about accepting the v.p.offer, however now she is angry and will fight with all her might. she is a force to be reckoned with! She is very smart and not afraid to lay it on the line. Some politicians don???t go to certain areas against their opponents out of respect for the office and the need to work with them in the future. But Sarah palin don???t she will get rid of her problems by laying it all out for the world to see and the opponent will be eliminated! So watch this lady in action now and don???t be too surprised when she takes on the media or the biggest liberal organization out there! There will be heads rolling! P.s. Obama might have been to Alaska before because he said that families are off limits he may know a thing or two about grizzly bears!

    • Posted By: star3 @ 09/02/2008 5:49:42 PM

      Will, the only reply appropriate for your comment is: AMEN!!

      • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 09/02/2008 7:26:02 PM

        Hmmm ... I was thinking more like WTF?

        • Posted By: star3 @ 09/02/2008 9:00:53 PM

          Zig, that was to be expected from you, and you stayed true to form. Tsk, Tsk

          • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 09/02/2008 9:05:20 PM

            I aim to please!

            • Posted By: star3 @ 09/03/2008 1:02:33 AM

              REALLY??! You aim to please...ok...but you have an odd way of showing that. What would please me is for you to actually post something that didn't have the word idiot in it, unless thats the only insult you know.

              • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 09/04/2008 10:30:50 AM

                You're a moron - how's that?

                Sometimes it is so easy.

    • Posted By: loriw @ 09/02/2008 5:05:01 PM

      You are right willnotvoteobama...never get between an momma bear and her cub!
      Palin is a force not to be underestimated.

      • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 09/02/2008 10:28:56 PM

        It is impossible to be 'pro life' and also slaughter wildlife. Who cares what she believes? McCain chose her because he knows he cannot win this election and he wants someone else to blame.

        Enter Ms. Right Wing Lunatic, she'll be the 'reason.'

    • Posted By: Young Female Attorney @ 09/02/2008 6:18:04 PM

      Well momma bear is partially to blame for her daughter's pregnancy. I say this because Palin is against teaching comprehensive sexual education and apparently didn't teach it to her daughter either. As much as people don't want to admit it, teenagers are having sex. Some listen to the abstinence talks and some don't. There has to be comprehensive sexual education in schools, which Palin is against. It doesn't have to "promote" sex, it has to be tailored in a way that hits on both issues with efficiency. In high school, I was geared up to write an article against giving condoms in schools, mostly citing moral conviction. Although the more and more I researched the issue I had to CHANGE my thesis. My research told me the only result would be that teen pregnancy would be on the rise, which just happens to be the case NOW that only abstinence is taught!!! There needs to be education on both in schools, which is what I was taught. THEN, it is up to the parent to teach abstinence strongly in the home. And to make an economic point, only tax payers pay the burden of single mothers. NONE of the friends I know who had kids at a young age in generation Y had the support of the FATHER!!!

  • Posted By: nissi @ 09/02/2008 4:41:43 PM

    You so called Christians - Conservatives - social or otherwise, what do you know about His message - a message not just to you but to all Mankind?
    What would Jesus say to you?

    • Posted By: loriw @ 09/02/2008 5:08:18 PM

      I think Jesus would tell us not to vote for a candidate who supports INFANTICIDE... In fact a gentleman who worked with Jill Staneck on the Born Alive Infants Protection Act already said "Jesus wouldn't vote for Obama" . I would tend to agree, I wish I could remember this man's name so I could give him credit for his words but if you do some research on Jill Staneck or on the BAIPA you are sure to find his name.

      • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 09/02/2008 7:25:01 PM

        If you could actually have a chat with Jesus, you would be in for the shock of your life.

        • Posted By: star3 @ 09/02/2008 8:49:43 PM

          I have, and I was, but it was a happy, pleasant shock. Next... :)

          • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 09/02/2008 9:00:37 PM

            Yeah, just keep telling yourself that was Jesus. But when the voice starts telling to blow up abortion clinics, that's the time to check in with your doctor.

            • Posted By: star3 @ 09/03/2008 12:57:31 AM

              Thanks for the advice, Zig, but, so far, the voice has never told me or anyone I know to blow up anything, not even the Democratic headquarters, and if it ever did, I would be highly suspicious that it might be another Democrat who had finally "seen the light".

              • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 09/04/2008 10:29:44 AM

                The key words being "so far"

      • Posted By: neos @ 09/02/2008 5:18:21 PM

        I always find the right-wing's ability to put words in the mouth of Jesus disconcerting.

        • Posted By: jradmacher @ 09/02/2008 6:21:51 PM

          I think that it is called blasphemy. Muslims use the same pretence for violence, a radical in the name of religion is almost as destructive as the atom bomb.

          • Posted By: star3 @ 09/02/2008 8:58:29 PM

            Jrad, hummmm...you've got a point, but keep in mind, Jesus led, he didn't shove, so a real Christian would not use force to bring anyone to Christ, unlike Muslims. Doing that does not insure anyone's belief or change them in any way, you may want it for them, but unless they want it for themselves, it won't happen. Christians offer, Muslims shove.

            • Posted By: Carruth2008 @ 09/03/2008 2:56:50 PM

              People need to quite being so ignorant about other religions and do your research. You group muslims all in the same group, there're not pushy.

        • Posted By: star3 @ 09/02/2008 8:52:11 PM

          Some right wingers might attempt to put words in Jesus' mouth, but a Christian won't, so not all right wingers are Christian.

      • Posted By: Carruth2008 @ 09/03/2008 2:52:44 PM

        When did becoming a Christian give people the right to believe that they know what God would do? If you are a Christian then follow the whole Bible not just parts of it. People kill me saying they don't believe in abortion, but yet do whatever else they want to do. A sin is a sin and no one on earth can put anybody in heaven or hell ONLY GOD!!!

      • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 09/02/2008 11:11:29 PM

        loriw, take your beef to the American Medical Association.
        It is doctors who perform partial birth aborition all across the United States of America.

        'Nurse Saving Lives' you need to stick to what you know, i.e. 'wipe a lot of butts.'

        Your vicious lies about Sen. Obama aren't working.

    • Posted By: star3 @ 09/02/2008 5:46:44 PM

      nissi, this may come as a shock to you, so hope your system can take it: Not all conservatives are Christians, and not all Christians are conservatives. And not all are "So Called"; most who claim to be Christians are just that--Christians. But, they are, also, still very much HUMANS; being a Christian does not change that, nor does it change one into a saint, so don't expect to meet a Christian who is capable of walking on water. I am a Christian, and everytime I've tried to walk on water, I sank right to the bottom. About the only thing being a Christian changes is that one has to work much harder at doing the right thing, sometimes we succeed, sometimes we fail. When we fail, we know we have to find a way to, somehow, make it right again, to apologize when necessary, to do whateve it takes to reverse our failure, and then to ask forgiveness, to forgive ourselves, and move on. So, what do YOU think Jesus would say to us, or to you? He could walk on water, but, so far, he has been the only one I've ever heard of who could, And, YES, his message is for ALL mankind---if they accept it. Jesus led, he didn't shove.

      • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 09/02/2008 7:23:33 PM

        ... but all conservatives are idiots.

        • Posted By: star3 @ 09/02/2008 8:47:11 PM

          ZigZag, you should be able to recognize an idiot---you see one everytime you look in the mirror. Yeah, conservatives are "idiots", but only to those they don't like. Its a camouflage we use to keep the real idiots from stealing our smarts.

          • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 09/02/2008 8:59:04 PM

            The old "look in the mirror" response. Well, I suppose it is better than the old "I'm rubber and you're glue what bounces off me sticks on you" response, but not my much.

            So all you conservatives just pretend to be stupid to fool us poor ole liberals. Well, you've been doing a great job for the last eight years. When exactly do you start using those smarts?

            I think it would have been nice to share a little of those smart's with McCain before he made his VP choice.

  • Posted By: jd_jenks @ 09/02/2008 5:14:27 PM

    Sarah Palin seems to have an authentic walk with Christ which is a great attribute for any candidate. I think it was completely within her right to ask the churches pastors for discretion regarding her church involvement and her families.

    Regarding the issue of teen pregnancy, there is a community of people who will support the Palins and it sounds like this church has just such a supportive community. That act alone speaks volumes to the quality of the people that surround the Palin family.

    • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 09/02/2008 10:19:53 PM

      We can only pray that America's maternity wards will not be overpopulated by teenage moms who learn too late what young guys really think about Gov. Palin's 'abstinence' mumbo jumbo.

      • Posted By: loriw @ 09/03/2008 1:50:04 AM

        I can tell you from personal experience that our maternity wards are already overpopulated with teenage moms who not only chose to have sex but chose to have unprotected sex despite all the sex ed in school and on public service announcements. Teens have brains that are not fully developed yet (like yours) and they think that pregnancy won't happen to them. They just make bad, reckless decisions because they are still learning about the realities of life and chjoices.

        • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 09/04/2008 10:28:21 AM

          Thanks for making our point. And if the country switched to Palin's plan to only teach that absitence-before-marriage crap, you can triple the number of maternity wards for teenage pregnancies.

        • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 09/03/2008 2:24:04 AM

          Speak for your own family. No woman in my family has had an abortion nor has any teenager in my family been pregnant.

  • Posted By: loriw @ 09/02/2008 5:27:32 PM

    Any one else hear Obama call the town of Wasilla.....WASILLY? I watched the rebroadcast of the AC360 program just to be sure I heard it correctly and I had.
    Was it a "dis" to the people of this town or is Obama incapable of remembering the name of the town?
    Just like Obama couldn't remember that the US has 50 states and not 57.
    Just like Obama couldn't remember if he was in St. Louis or in Kansas City during the convention?
    Perhaps Obama is having JUNIOR MOMENTS or...could it be because he did too much Cocaine and marijuana during his youth?

    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 09/02/2008 7:13:36 PM

      Oh my gosh - you are so right. I see the light! Obama cannot pronounce the name of some two bit town in the middle of the Alaskan wilderness - no way I can vote for him now.

      Anyone else hear Zig Zag calling Loriw an idiot?

      • Posted By: loriw @ 09/03/2008 1:35:53 AM

        Your candidate Obama can't even remember what city is is in...is it St Louis or is it Kansas City during the Convention. Now there's a 4-watt light bulb moment for you Obama supporters. Even his daughter was smart enough to pick up the error in his words. Is Obama smarter than a 5th grader?
        Obama is singing the Cooke song....Don't know much about biology, Don't know much about GEOGRAPHY...

        • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 09/04/2008 10:25:35 AM

          As opposed to not remembering the number of houses one owns?

          You're an idiot.

    • Posted By: neos @ 09/02/2008 5:35:43 PM

      Have you noticed that all of your posts are negative attack ads a la Rove? Is there nothing positive about your candidate?

      • Posted By: loriw @ 09/03/2008 1:37:26 AM

        Vote McCain-Palin 2008!
        Experience, service, country before self!

        • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 09/03/2008 2:17:39 AM

          Carry on with your butt wiping job.

    • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 09/02/2008 9:57:01 PM

      No one cares what the name of that town is. What is your problem?

      • Posted By: loriw @ 09/03/2008 1:32:23 AM

        Your candidate is a feakin' FLOP without his teleprompter, that is the problem.
        Is he going to have a teleprompter when he tries to talk with Iran or in Obama-speak... Ifan? Idan? Iray? the options available to Obama are nearly endless and to many to list here for you, Lizzy.

        • Posted By: elizabethpaige @ 09/03/2008 2:17:02 AM

          loriw, stick to butts. Sen. Obama's message is very clear.

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