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  • Posted By: VoteOnIssues @ 09/03/2008 4:01:59 PM

    Hear, hear! I don't like her views on abortion, but that doesn't mean we have to bash her as a mother and soon-to-be grandmother. However, the Republicans shouldn't trot her out as an exemplary person for deciding to have a Down's Syndrome child. Nor should the same Republicans that don't want people to bash the Palins on the teenage pregnancy thrust her teenage daughter out for all to see as an example for pregnant teenagers everywhere.

    • Posted By: star3 @ 09/04/2008 2:10:21 AM

      Vote, you sound like a level headed person, but I have to comment on some of your statements; first, as one who feels very strongly avout abortion, what other choice could she make, regardless if the child's down's syndrom. I'm sure she would have prefered a baby who did not have a birth problem, but her belief would not allow her to make any choice except to give it life. I admire her courage in staying true to her belief, and many Downs babies grow up to function just fine, while not on the same level as those who do not have this condition, they are capable. You may have seen one who was an actor on a TV show. The ultimate choice was hers and her husband's to make, and he is their child, to raise to be the best he can be, within the limits of his capabilities, which only he, himself can decide once, he is old enough to have a say in the matter, so no one else should have any comment on the subject, except to wish them well.

    • Posted By: kas_wolf @ 09/03/2008 4:13:14 PM

      "the Republicans shouldn't trot her out as an exemplary person for deciding to have a Down's Syndrome child."

      Why not? It is an issue given Obama's veto of the born baby protection act while in the Illinois senate - and his speech on baby's as "punishment".

      • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 09/03/2008 4:30:18 PM

        Babies have been the punishment that the patriarchy have used against naughty loose women for centuries. It's the left, with the advent of birth control and choice that has freed women from this stigma.

        • Posted By: kas_wolf @ 09/03/2008 4:36:57 PM

          Really?

          It is the left - with its advocacy of abortion on demand that has resulted in teens distraught over a choice that is regretted later. Once done, not able to be undone.

  • Posted By: edge @ 09/03/2008 5:57:08 PM

    That was about three energy plans ago for him. Which one was it? And it's a sad day in this country when you are a pro-life candidate and you're treated like you're from another planet? Pro-life? How passe is that? And how dare she pray for a pipeline to be completed to benefit her state? At least she's on her knees praying for something instead of acting like "Who needs God? That's so yesterday." You liberal losers disgust me. How about the two years that you liberals have had control of Congress? How's that worked out? Nobody talks about how incompetent Pelosi and Reid are, a couple of deer in the headlights literally, but no, let's trash a conservative woman who's actually done something in her life and made things happen.

    • Posted By: bluebloodedLV @ 09/03/2008 6:04:06 PM

      Yep, that's the ticket. Liberals don't believe in God, they hate America and they abort all babies. Thats what the neocons would like everyone to believe. Don't act like when you go to church there are no liberals there. Don't act like the honorable who serve in the military are all conservatives either. Or that no republican/conservative has ever had an abortion. Thats what makes me sick. The hypicrisy is mind boggling. The republicans claim this moral high ground and more patriotic stance, but then can't practice what they preach as they support an illegal war and don't give a rats ass about feeding the homeless, starving children right here at home.

      • Posted By: dsherbourne @ 09/03/2008 7:05:14 PM

        yes, most liberals don't believe in God, even if they think they do. Going to church dosen't make you a Christain anymore than standing in a garage makes you a car. If you dont' believe in the morals the Bible sets out, then your not a Christain, because the Bible is God's word and the word Christain means "Christ like". I don't think Christ would have performed an abortion.

        • Posted By: mcgreen @ 09/03/2008 8:30:11 PM

          Enter Your CommentI get bloody sick of you guys who claim to know the minds and spiritual life of liberals. How very unchristian of you.

          • Posted By: star3 @ 09/04/2008 1:37:13 AM

            Well, Mcgreen, what can I say---you just have to understand that some people are too busy PRACTICING their religion to be a CHRISTIAN.

      • Posted By: star3 @ 09/03/2008 8:29:35 PM

        Blue, Conservatives do not claim to be perfect, not do we attempt to walk on water. Our halos, often, become as tarnished as every other humans; neither party has a monopoly on nice or on hypocracy--that, unfortunately, is part of the human condition that crosses every party line and every nation. Please don't clump all Conservatives together as though they were clones, just as you would not want us to do that to your party. While we in the same party do share common belief systems politically, we are still individuals in our own right. We don't all agree. even with each other, sometimes, we aren't bonded at the hip, as your comment suggest, so lets not get carried away with bitterness which serves only to widen the gap between us, who should be remembering we are ALL Americans first, party members second. The enemy loves it that we are so seperate, and that we fight amonge ourselves. Is that the kind of image we want to send to them? We can disagree on political issues, and still remain mature people who put Country first---at least some of us can, the others will find something to complain about even if its not about politics, because thats just their nature. We have to just try to ignor and continue on with what we believe to be right for America, not just what is right for our particular party.

    • Posted By: mrzoid @ 09/03/2008 6:00:59 PM

      It's worked out poorly, how'd the 6 yrs prior to that work out?

  • Posted By: SocoMT @ 09/03/2008 6:43:04 PM

    It is already all over the news that Sarah Palin was never a member of political party in Alaska that talked of secession. And I have not heard her even one time push her beliefs on anybody. She has been up front about what her stance is on family issues and has supported those beliefs in action with her own family. She does not believe in abortion; she chose not to abort a downs syndrom baby. She supports her daughter having her child at 17 even though she knows having the baby will present hurdles for her daughter down the road. I cannot wait to her her speech tonight so I can have a chance to form an informed opinion about her and what she has to say. We have yet to hear from her. Lets give her a chance.

    • Posted By: mrzoid @ 09/03/2008 6:48:47 PM

      She'll have her chance, but she chose not to answer or adress any of the non-personal issues we need to know her positions on. Did the McCain camp think that the press wasnt going to find something to talk about when there was no info on policy questions? Did she think the media was going to ignore her (and i stress HER, she chose to do it whn she did) disclosure of her daughters pregnancy? Why did she disclose that? So let her hve her chance, but dont act like the McCain/Palin campaign is not responsible for some of this media scrutiny.

      • Posted By: star3 @ 09/03/2008 7:48:39 PM

        Of course the McCain camp knew there would be questions raised, and every Democrat within snooping distance would be putting out their feelers for any kind of noteworthy news, expecially anything they could use to make her seem a bad choice; the GOP expected that, they would have been very surprised if it had not happened. Thats politics. You are surprised that she went public about her daughter? Why? Wasn't it better to be up front about any controversial issues herself, than to wait for the media to broadcast it? This way, everything is open and out front for anyone who cares to, to get the nasty remarks out of their system, get it over with and then lets move on with the more important issues. Are some of you just disappointed that you didn't get your chance to oooohhh & ahhhh over these family things that should be private? You can still do that, its just that she beat the nosy media to the punch by revealing them herself, and never denying anything that came out that was a concern for some, so now you can accept her honesty, or you can reject, which many would do anyway, even if she had been Mother Teresa, because you are not happy that this nice lady may just help to beat out your choice..again, that politics. Personally, I like her, and think she will do a fine job as a wife, mother, grandmother, friend, and Vice President.

        • Posted By: mcgreen @ 09/03/2008 8:21:03 PM

          Enter Your Comment I won't vote for McCain/Palin because I just don't support their policies and I feel very strongly about it.

          What I loathe in politician's is phony hand wringing about the unfairness of behavior which they gladly inflict on the other side.

          Frankly as a white woman of a more senior age - things have improved for women, sexism is not dead but its greatly reduced. What I fear is the pernicious development of hatred towards the poor, the perception they deserve their lot - and what I see is still alot of free wheeling racism.

          • Posted By: star3 @ 09/04/2008 1:29:04 AM

            Mcgreen, I absolutely agree with you that there is still a lot of racisum, and it exsist on both sides. Unfortunately, being unfair and feeling the need to put others down in an attempt to make one's self appear better, is a part of the human condition for some people. As for the poor, it does seem that some of those who have, obviously, never been in that position, do tend to look down their snooty noses at those less fortunate. There are varing degrees of poor, some through no fault of their own, who work hard, but seem to always earn just barely enough to keep bread on the table and meet expenses, with never anything left over for frills of any kind, then there are those who could do better, but won't, and who are not really as "poor" as they would have us believe, as they may receive some type of funds from the government, or as in one case I heard about, a man was pretending to be a street person, and raking in a lot of $$ each day, but someone saw him drive away at the end of one day in a very expensive car, and followed him to an even more expensive home, which it was later discovered he owned. Then there was the case of a friend of ours who stopped to offer a person holding up a sign offering to "work for food"; this friend needed some yard work done and some painting, and was willing to pay the person and feed him, but the "street person" declined, saying he could make more with handouts from people. I don't believe tjis is the case of all street people, but it makes me suspicious, because I can't afford to suppliment them when they may be richer than me! I have given food from a fast food to a few before, but never cash. I respect your decision to vote for your choice; I will be voting for McCain, because, over the years, I have learned to trust my instincts, and I just do not have a comfortable feeling about Obama. It has nothing to do with his ethnic affiliation or his religion, it is just something that doesn't feel right for me. Anyway, wish you the best, and we will all find out come November who will be our next president.

      • Posted By: star3 @ 09/03/2008 7:54:07 PM

        What questions did she refuse to answer? Maybe you watched a different broadcast than I did, but in everyone I watched, she answered every question put to her, plus voiced her stand on every issue, so what were you watching, honey---the reruns of Gilligan's Island?

  • Posted By: star3 @ 09/03/2008 7:03:24 PM

    Reader, we're not missing the point at all, honey; we see the point clearly, and the point is, that you who make such concerned comments are all Democrats, and you aren't at all worried about her ability to be Vice President, and still spend quality time with her family, you really could care less about that, what you are NOT say, but what is so, obviously, apparent is that she may be so helpful to the GOP campaign that your choice may not win after all, and that my dear, is what you are really worried about. You see, we GOPs can read between the lines. Stop runing in circles, Chicken Little, the sky isn't falling, nor is it likely to. Give the lady a chance to prove she is capable. I believe she will be an amazing VP, and may give a whole new meaning to the VPs image.

    • Posted By: carnaldiem @ 09/03/2008 7:20:59 PM

      Star3, if you are going to continue posting replies to other's comments, please utilize the "Reply" button next to the each posters' comment.

      • Posted By: star3 @ 09/04/2008 12:54:58 AM

        Thank you for bringing that to my attention, and that is precisely what I have been doing after coming in, but when I first came, there was not a "reply" button, I located it after I hit "view all comments" I know about reply buttons, but thanks for your concern.

    • Posted By: Tabbitha @ 09/03/2008 8:55:30 PM

      I don't think anybody is concerned anymore that Palin might actually help the GOP win. I think there is greater concern that McCain might win despite Palin, leaving us with a woefully unprepared Vice-President.

      • Posted By: star3 @ 09/04/2008 12:51:31 AM

        Tab, you mat be able to convience yourself, but don't expect me to buy it. She sounds very prepared.

  • Posted By: Mwalimu @ 09/03/2008 7:09:42 PM

    Let's set one record straight, Barack Obama made it very clear that he considered any discussion of Palin's family strictly "Off limits." He seems to be the only person following that guidelines. By doing so, he shows more class, intelligence, and human decency than the entire Republican party put together.

    Let's bear in mind that when a regrettable scandal occurred in the 1990's the Republicans staged an impeachment trial. Some of the Republicans leading the impeachment, Newt Gingrich and even John McCain committed the same offense. Republicans, especially evangelicals, are always eager to point out the sins and human failings of other - BUT they always want the first to be forgiven when they commit the same sins.

    I call that hypocrisy. And hypocirsy is the name of of the GOP and the media.

    • Posted By: star3 @ 09/04/2008 12:47:56 AM

      Mwal, we don't need YOUR forgivness---only GOD'S. Maybe you had better try to forgive yourself for such biased remarks. I thought we had evolved from attacks on one's faith, but apparently not. Oh, well, go back to your GOP bashing, since there is absolutely nothing the Democrats do to need forgiveness for; must be lonely up there on that pedestal.

    • Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 09/03/2008 7:22:20 PM

      Garbage. As a mob boss,Obama need merely use his press minions to sling the mud while presenting an ''I'm above the fray'' image. Pass to ''hypocrisy''and you will be reminded that at this moment in the campaign of 2000,Gores son was busted for drug possession,while the media ''respected'' his problem,and the GOP remained on the sidelines. Same deal in 2002,when Joe Bidens daughter was arrested in an assault and battery beef on a police officer outside of a bar. The press kept mum on that one too,which was the correct thing to do in both cases. Their blind partisanship has made base hypocrites of all of them this time around.[or,it was perhaps that both Biden and Gore were Democrats,instead of Republicans,which makes their hypocrisy all the more worse].

  • Posted By: burbank @ 09/04/2008 12:25:09 AM

    I remenber back in the early 70's a commercial hawking a particular brand of perfume had a tall blonde in a rather sexy dress proclaim that she could "bring home the bacon, fry it up in a pan, and never, never let you forget you're a man". The double standard here is amazing. For decades we have been told that women can be just effective as men when it came to holding down a job and raising a family. To suggest otherwise was sexist and denied women their rightful place in modern society. But now that a Republican working mother and govenor of a state, (Alaska), has been nominated to be John McCain's veep, the hue and cry from the left has been raised about her status as a mother and concern for her family. Please. You can't have it both ways. And right now, the only thing that shows up from the left on this issue is their hypocrisy.

  • Posted By: TheVigil @ 09/03/2008 11:27:03 PM

    Awful lot of back and forth on this thread. And Roller's not even here.

  • Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 09/03/2008 3:58:48 PM

    Just so. The backfire has begun. Americans of even the left-of-center stripe are seeing the national press as tinhorn torpedoes out to kneecap a woman for their mob boss back in Chicago. More and more voices on the left,and the moderate GOP,are growing disgusted with the tactics being meted out on Palin and her family that include NEWSWEAK scribblers Eleanor Clift and Sally Quinn[who has as much damned business writing on ''religious faith'' in her and Jon Meachams column as I do on rocket science,as putrid as she is in her gross partisanship,fully displayed in todays Wall St.Journal].
    This left the ''getting out of hand''box about three hundred miles back. The obscenities are getting to the point where no one gives a damn about anything the Obama Press Secretaries have to say on the subject and are fighting back against the Bolshevik media on air to ensure that its impact remains. Sick of their disgusting behavior aimed at this woman and her family,[and the lies the press has peddled forgetting that they no longer have control of their own narrative], unlikely champions emerge,set to battle against the national media and its slanders.
    We know now that McCain had a vetting staff of over 25 individuals who were in Alaska when the media reduced them to nothing. We now know that Mrs.Palin was never a member of the ''Alaskan Independance Party''[though the NY Times refuses to retract as of about thirty minutes ago]. We now know that Palin is a lifelong Republican. We also know that she increased teen-pregnancy funding rather than ''reduced ''it. We know that despite the lies peddled by the leftwinged blogosphere and the MSM [which included the ''fact''that Palins last child was not her own], there is no such thing as ''The Eagleton Option'' as pounded on by MSNBC and HUFFINGTON,which began the rumour a few days ago.[she drops out and is replaced by a Romney or Huckabee,both of whom have gone on the attack against the media,describing them as ''hurtful''and ''cruel''].
    Not one to allow panic to go unchecked ,the Obamaite scribbler Harold Meyerson trots out a racist screed in todays Washington Post muttering sourly over ''Whiteness''being the ''last hope of the GOP'',while Lieberman is again trounced for his ''treason'' despite giving an effective speech last night as to why he has separated from the wingnuts. Nor is the ''McSame'' or ''Bush-McCain''working any longer. If it were,the polls would indicate this. Yet McCain continues to stymie the experts and enrage the Obama-sycophantic press.


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    • Posted By: TheVigil @ 09/03/2008 11:24:30 PM

      Pretty colorful.

      Are you writing political analysis or ad copy? I feel like I'm reading an advertisement for "Election II: The McCain Strikes Back" or something...

    • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 09/03/2008 4:02:40 PM

      Palin was a horrible choice. No amount of spin is going to fix it. But, you have to admire them for trying.

      • Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 09/03/2008 7:15:21 PM

        Uh-uh. She is a ''horrible choice''because she has been created in that image by the press.[which is making FOX,Hannity and O'Reilly look more reasonable by the minute].

  • Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 09/03/2008 10:33:24 PM

    Ye gawds,what a dingbat ''choice''if you will.

    Busted even by NEWSWEAKS ''FACTCHECK''for his full-birth abortion votes,Obama now cranks out his new ad,now dubbed ''abortion''[or ''choice''depending on your ideological fervour]. In answering the worries of the evangelical vote,especially Catholics[after the stupid performance of Biden and Pelosi on this issues which had the effect of both the Denver and DC Bishops demanding that communion be denied to these two,as well as the YOUTUBE videos busting Obama on this issue which he denied until nailed],Obama inserts a ''nurse'' into his video.
    Plain enough I guess,until we find out that this ''nurse''is actually working for Planned Parenthood. Well,wouldnt you just know it. This is the same organization that is being accused by black evangelicals of ''genocide'' to their race. Great call Barry.You've managed to piss off people of all races on this issue.

    The Catholic Association News June 28,2008 ''African-American Coalition Protests Planned Parenthood At DNC,RNC Headquarters''.

  • Posted By: avg joe25 @ 09/03/2008 10:20:49 PM

    Palin is a GILF? how about a JOKE?

  • Posted By: kas_wolf @ 09/03/2008 4:09:10 PM

    As far as 'social conservatives' go - I think the consistency you would see is support for the girl - daughter or other - insofar as the decision of life for the child or abortion were the same. 'Social conservatives' are interested in the honoring of human life - in at least the same manner that the left proscribes honoring that of the polar bear or green toed-purple spotted tree frog (fictional example).

    The point being that Obama has made it clear that he feels a teen pregnancy would "punish the mother" the conclusion drawn is that his advice would lean toward the ending of the pregnancy. THAT is where the 'social conservatives' would balk at support.

    • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 09/03/2008 4:13:57 PM

      You are incorrect. Barack himself is the child of a teen. He believes that women should have a choice, something your candidates want to snuff out.

      • Posted By: kas_wolf @ 09/03/2008 4:20:08 PM

        How is abortion a 'choice'?

        Well, I guess any bad behavior is a 'choice'. Stealing is a choice; murder is a choice.

        Roe v. Wade is a protection - NOT a form of birth control.

        • Posted By: reisbergsgal @ 09/03/2008 4:44:26 PM

          To many people, abortion is not "bad behavior." It's neccessary, fair and lifesaving. That's what the argument is-- you NEED to be able to have the freedom to "choose" if it is alroght with you or not. If it is, great. If not, that's fine. Appreciate someone else's opinion for what it is-- someone else's opinion. Doesn't mean it has to be yours.

          • Posted By: star3 @ 09/03/2008 10:10:26 PM

            Abortion is lifesaving?? Since when??! Now thats an oxymoron if ever I heard one!

        • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 09/03/2008 4:27:26 PM

          You choose to bring the fetus to term, or you don't. That's the choice. The majority of America is for preserving that choice.

          • Posted By: kas_wolf @ 09/03/2008 4:34:17 PM

            You may have your majority views wrong. The majority I see is behind life for conceived babies.

      • Posted By: star3 @ 09/03/2008 10:08:05 PM

        John, snuffed out or not, it will not stop people from doing what they choose. Murder is illegal, too, yet it still happens. Making something illegal doesn't stop it, but we have to have laws, otherwise we'd have chaois. If all it took for crime to stop was to make it illegal, then the police department could shut down. Nobody is naieve enough to believe snuffing something out is going to stop it from happening, thats why crimes are called crimes.

  • Posted By: tovef @ 09/03/2008 4:18:23 PM

    What's so hard for you to understand, ma'am? The woman is obviously career and religion driven. She supports "abstinence only" sex education for young people. Zowie, look how beautifully that worked in her own family! A seventeen year old is going into a shotgun marriage with a young man of eighteen, who has no job and said outright on his Facebook page that he doesn't want kids! Isn't it heartwarming? Those wonderful family values! Nothing like two kids whose lives are ruined before they ever really begin as a result of ignorance and lack of information. It's truly the American Dream.

    I think what people object to is not the fact that Palin's family is obviously a mess and that she certainly isn't on top of the situation - it's that because of her conservative outlook and religious beliefs that she will try to make the rest of us march to her tune. Most Americans don't want the right-wing version of "family values", including lack of sexual education for teenagers and "quiverfull" families. I doubt you could find many sane Americans who think it's a good thing to have seventeen year olds getting pregnant and being pushed into marriage with an eighteen year old just so Mommy's career will go forward. So it's understandable that Americans, particularly women, who will be the most impacted by Palin's beliefs, particularly anti-abortion, don't feel too warm and cuddly about the idea of her becoming Vice President.

    Personally, I don't care if Sarah Palin wants to live in the Middle Ages. She might tote around a Blackberry and be a high powered career woman, but she supports policy that is based in medieval thinking, and she will do her darnedest to see to it that it is foisted off on the rest of us, whether we want it or not. That's where I start to kick, lady. I'm not dumb enough to go with the "well, she's a woman, so us women have to support her, don't we" line. She's a woman who believes in and supports policies that are anathema to me and to many other Americans, male and female. That's more than enough for me to say "get her out of here, fast".

    • Posted By: star3 @ 09/03/2008 10:00:15 PM

      Tove, and how do you access Hillary Clinton as a parent, or as a wife who remains with an unfaithful husband who is also a lier? What kind of an example does that set for her daughter, who, now, may believe its normal to accept that kind of behavior and marriage? And how about the issue of their questionable funds? Oh, I could write a book about the things wrong in that relationship, but, hey, its their personal choice...right? You see, Tove, the shoe fits both feet, so before you start to find problems with one, take a closer look at the other one. At least, Sarah Palin is open and honest with her beliefs and family issues. When you're in the public forum, you have to expect to have very little privacy, ot goes with the territory. I have not heard her say anything about "forcing" anyone to believe as she does, those were strickly her own personal feelings, and I might add, very sound ones. Just because an almost grown child strays away from her teachings, does not make the parent a bad parent, it just means they are human, and subject to temptation, as we all are. I do not encourage permissive sex, and there is certainly enough education about the subject, plus contraceptives are available, so that anyone should not have to become pregnant unless they want to, or its a rape, or the protection didn't work, and abortion should be only in cases of danger to the mother, or whatever medical problem may occur that the doctor advises one against continuing the pregnacy, but abortion should not be used as a form of birth control, or as a method of eliminating a child just because its "inconvient". Adoption is always an option when one does not want to keep the child. Those are MY personal feelings, and no, I am not going to attempt to persuade anyone else to adopt them as their beliefs. Unless another person's beliefs infringe on someone else's rights, then their belief is between them and God, not between them and anyone else.

    • Posted By: reisbergsgal @ 09/03/2008 4:37:33 PM

      Thank you! Perfect!

  • Posted By: unm @ 09/03/2008 4:27:17 PM

    I have sympathy for all sides in this argument. When my first wife died I was a single male parent to three young children. I also had an active medical practice with night call involved. I can tell you this much, I never felt I was a good parent or as good a physician during that portion of my life. I would never have chosen this lifestyle, but things happen. I was torn all the time between what my children needed, what my patients needed and who I had to take care of first. None of my children were handicapped in any way. I don't know what I would have done if that was the case. The only thing that kept me from suicide was that that would leave my children parentless.

    I was lucky, I met somewhere several years later, quite by accident and we were married. She turned out to be a great mom and wife, but in those intervening years life was hell and I always felt guilty.

    • Posted By: star3 @ 09/03/2008 9:33:23 PM

      Unm, at least you stayed the course, and thats all anyone can expect in such a situation, so you can give yourself a pat on the back for that, and be thankful for your family who, I'm sure, appreciate their Dad's efforts in a difficult situation. God bless you & your family.

  • Posted By: DaxieNC @ 09/03/2008 4:36:37 PM

    This isn't about you. It's not about the millions of working mothers in this country who are doing the best they can. It is about a presidential candiate that has nominated someone for VP that is an extremist like him. Don't let the Republicans send you off on this rabbit trail.

    • Posted By: star3 @ 09/03/2008 9:24:52 PM

      Daxie, an extremist?? Hardly. Look at his record, then at Obama's, and you're smart, you'll figure it out who the extremist really is.

  • Posted By: execwoman @ 09/03/2008 9:23:12 PM

    It seems to me that all the candidates have had their family life scrutinized, once they decide to run for the highest national office. A candidate's children should be off limits. But there's no reason to grant Palin a pass. She's going to need to stand up to the media scrutiny and let the American people get to know her. If some women think she's let political ambition trump family, that's a valid viewpoint. Career and motherhood involve trade-offs. The telling point is which comes first.

  • Posted By: BullwinkleJMoose @ 09/03/2008 4:43:12 PM

    In re Ms. Palin vis a vis male candidates I would hope that if someone had a 3 month old special needs child and an embarassed 17 year old pregnant daughter who I wouldn't want to push into the limelight, that said candidate would defer running at that time for the good of their family. Be they male or female. Sarah Palin's fault is not bad judgement, it is overreaching, Macbeth-like ambition that puts her desire for office above the good of her family. She is young, she has time ( or rather had time)for a lot of future runs. She should have said "No."

    • Posted By: star3 @ 09/03/2008 9:18:51 PM

      I'm sure she consulted with her family and got their approval before accepting. They'll be fine.

  • Posted By: BullwinkleJMoose @ 09/03/2008 4:53:52 PM

    The biggest issue I have with Palin is judgement. Judgement that would allow a person to look at their family situation and so " No, my family needs me more." I have no doubt that Mrs. Palin can be a Mom and effective Governor or even Vice President. The decision to put job or family first is something every man and woman struggles with, for no-one can dicide their time equally, so we all do the best we can. It is this judgement I find most fault with. If Joseph Biden, a man who spent 30 years longing for exectutive office suddenly had a young child who had special needs and another daughter who was pregnant, I most certainly hope when offerred the VP job he would say no, I need to take care of my family first.. ( By the way... this would be a good debate question)

    Her over-reaching, Macbeth like ambition is most bothering, both to me and many others. I have no right to tell her what to do, but have every right to disagree with a decision I find morally repulsive and selfish.. .

    • Posted By: freddie26 @ 09/03/2008 5:55:21 PM

      Why do we expect her to tend to her family, but John Edwards can run for president with a wife with cancer, two young children, etc. This is not even mentioning his extracurricular activities and child. I expect the demands of vice-president are similar to those of a governor with more staff at your service. Let's celebrate her accomplishment and quit passing judgement.

      • Posted By: IDon'tUnderstand @ 09/03/2008 6:16:33 PM

        What accomplishmets? You act as if she is the first female Governor. She is not. Other than 18 months as Governor of Alaska (pop. 700,000), or mayor of a small town with less than 10,000 residents, what has she done? It's time to take a serious look at the person who may be the next President. Everyone's touting her experience. I worked in government for 34 years, would I be qualified to be VP?

        • Posted By: star3 @ 09/03/2008 9:16:13 PM

          You might----if one of the candidates had selected you, so if you believe you can, then by all means, go for it.

  • Posted By: mrzoid @ 09/03/2008 5:04:27 PM

    What is John McCain's great experience stockpile? This is an honest question; please fill me in to his "experience".

    • Posted By: star3 @ 09/03/2008 9:11:43 PM

      MrZoid, Apparently, you did not watch the convention speakers, or you would know what his experience is. I am still waiting to hear what Obama's experience is---besides the fact that he was a senator from Chicago for three years; that has been established, so lets hear something that will really impress us. A three year senator, big woo.

  • Posted By: Flyer88 @ 09/03/2008 5:07:01 PM

    That attack on Gov. Palin's daughter is very poor form and has left a bad taste in not only me but many of my friends. Today at lunch there was a large gathering of women, over 100 or so, talking about how the media has attacked and smeared this Gov.'s daughter. Many of us feel it will backlash. In fact one lady in the group who is a chairman for one of the Republican groups said they have received over 30,000 emails offering service and volunteer work because they are excited about her being added to the ticket. She also told us that Gov Palin's has so energized the Rep. (I'm actually a Democrate) that millions of dollars have been raised since McCain added her to the ticket. So I would say, 'lay off the family members." It shows weakness and despiration. In fact, I find Gov. Palin and her family to be great examples to many people and my daughter would ow love to meet her kids.

    • Posted By: Copperriver @ 09/03/2008 5:35:14 PM

      This is not a "smear" campaign. Palin and her family are being used by the McCain campaign. If this is all such a "private" matter why is McCain meeting the boy in public in front of all the cameras?

      • Posted By: star3 @ 09/03/2008 9:04:02 PM

        Copper, now, you know that when you choose a career that places you in the public spotlight, there is no such thing as "private" matters. Who cares why he met with the future husband of Bristol? It was the choice of both of them to do so, and why not? If they're, possibly, going to be a part of the McCain camp, then it makes sense that they all get introduced to the public. What difference does it make? Would you be asking the same question if it were Obama meeting with his daughter's boyfriend? I wouldn't, I wouldn't even be very interested; why pretend its an issue? Who cares?

    • Posted By: mcgreen @ 09/03/2008 8:37:00 PM

      McCain's pick was a very cynical play to get voter's like you. Unfortunately for McCain, those aren't the voters that will make the difference. - he could always count on the religious right which Palin firmly represents.

      The rest of us are put off by this kind of government intrusion into our lives. I don't want the government deciding what books should be available for our kids to read because their religious views aren't promulgated. I don't want a religious right politician using the church you attend as a litmus test of whether you get a job.

      I object to religious values which exhort they have the one true path to God and everyone else is toast unless they convert. IMHO - religion is an extremely personal issue and I don't want my government mucking around in it.

    • Posted By: mrzoid @ 09/03/2008 5:10:26 PM

      Name me one person from the "left" that has criticized Sarah Palin's daughter; further more, quote exactlly what they said.

      • Posted By: freddie26 @ 09/03/2008 5:58:39 PM

        based on all of your comments, you are certainly smarter than that. Hillary Clinton is not going to speak up and bash the daughter, they have staffers for that purpose. You know, advisors, officials, staff members, etc. That's the way it works - the lower level members of the "left" as you put it, get the negative word out.

        • Posted By: mrzoid @ 09/03/2008 6:05:03 PM

          Ok, name me one staffer that has attacked Bristol Palin. Can you confirm any of these claims or just offer conjecture?

          • Posted By: mrzoid @ 09/03/2008 6:08:57 PM

            I apologize for the tone of that statement, but stil, are there any concrete examples of democrats attacking Sarah Palin over this? I really dont think the Obama camp cares, because they havea leg up on the issues that effect the country.

    • Posted By: mrzoid @ 09/03/2008 5:26:54 PM

      Come on, you cant answer that simple question?

  • Posted By: carolf2 @ 09/03/2008 5:21:02 PM

    Even before we latently discovered that Palen had an out-of-wedlock teenage pregnant teenage daughter, I already had doubts about her ability to balance her obligations between family and this intended job. Face it, this isn't just a nine-to-five, leave it at the office job, this is tshe second hightest post in the land. And possible THE highest postion, if John McCain has another cancer reoccurrance oranything else at this late term in his life. And the reason for the so-called double standard is becase Mothers ARE special and essential to the upbringing of children, especially a severely disabled new born and a pregnant teenager about to become a mother herself. Where are all the right-wing Christian high standards now that they have a candidate who clearly doesn't meet them?

    • Posted By: star3 @ 09/03/2008 8:53:56 PM

      Carol, she will be just fine. This is not an ignorant woman, this is an intelligent, well educated woman, who, I am sure is well aware of what will be expected of her, as a wife, mother, grandmother, and vice president. Its not as though she & her husband could not hire help if they need to, its don all the time by familys where both parents work. Would you have the same concerns if she were Democrat? Hummmm.....?

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