I just want to know if Palin has figured out what a VP actually does????? Anyone?? :)
I just want to know if Palin has figured out what a VP actually does????? Anyone?? :)
Saul, I have a feeling she has a pretty good idea of what will be expected of her, and am sure she has been well briefed concerning any questions she might have. Do you think Obama has any idea about what being president is all about?
Did you know that just a month ago, Sarah Palin publicly endorsed Barack Obama's energy plan?
And your point is......? unlike some people, most of those in a party can admit that one in another party has a workable idea, its called common sense. Doesn't mean we are going to convert to that party, just means we agree with that particular idea.
Time after time during Obama's run for office I asked friends and people online who was raising his girls since his wife clearly had a high powered job (paid over $350,000 a year) and they were back in Chicago and he was in DC (and unlike Biden didn't go back and forth). NO ONE ever questioned the abandonment of his girls both as a senator and now as a candidate for the Presidency. Don't get me wrong I am a dem and support him but this is such a double standard. Obama like nearly all black men has essentially abandoned his girls to his mother in law to be raised but no one questions his skills as a parent.
The mere fact that is is a topic shows you just how pervasive and systemic sexism still is in this country.
Your comments show that racism is still rampant. We've seen the Obama family - you can't engineer the kind of closeness and love they have for one another. Sounds like you've decided all black families are one way only - and that's all YOU see. That's your problem.
You're an a$$hole. Just thought you should know. There are lots of white children without fathers too. Watch Maury and you'll see them. By the way, Bristol Palin's kid is likely to be one of those white kids without a father.
Obama didn't abandon his children. His wife took care of the girls while he worked, just like wives have done forever when their men went to war, worked the railroads, or drove trucks for a living.
Yeah, and overt bigote racial stereotypes still exist too, your statement is a hell of an example of that, adolf.
I am amazed at how ignorant and stupid people can be, especially after reading the comments on here..... and worse of all, what hypocrites.... sounds to me that people (both men and women) are jealous and even envious that she might make the best vice-president ever, and yes, a wonderful president. if need be...
Hmmm, i guess she could also be a superhero, or mabey a prophet, or mabey the second coming of christ. I have a question, are you stoned?
Mrzoid, not everyone has to be "stoned" in order to see facts; besides the facts you see when stoned are not reality based, but then I suppose you would know more about that than I would. Stop being a sourpuss just because you disagree with someone. Are you capable of making a mature accesment of a comment and responding accordingly? Posting nasty remarks will only serve to make you appear childish, and not to be taken seriously, so unless that is what you are striving for, try to post as a mature thinker, not as a sulky child.
Regarding the Sarah Palin debate, the concerns most people are having over her do not stem from a pregnant teenage daughter, but rather the possibility of a Vice President or potential President (due to the age and health history of John McCain) who has previously taken a stance in favor of ???book banning??? at her municipal library, and then engineered a campaign to fire the librarian who showed resistance to do so.
Given that she is currently under investigation for potential ethics violations stemming from her firing of a Public Safety Commissioner over him allegedly not terminating the employment of her former brother-in-law, who at the time was engaged in a bitter custody battle with her sister,
Governor Palin is very deserving of media scrutiny and public concern.
Enter Your CommentExactly - that is the info that I find most frightening, what would a McCain/Palin presidency visit on the american public - new kinds of repression.
Here is the shining issue that Liberals just don't quite have a 'clue' about quite yet - Neo-Conservatives firmly believe that their lives are a shining example of how other people should be living THEIR lives, which gives the NeoCons the hubris to assume leadership.....and now you have Palin. What a mess. A total contradiction, yet if she's in the NeoCon camp, then how she lives her life, her judgement/stewardship of her family are EXACTLY in-line with her beliefs she will be enforcing over the rest of US as our 'VP'.
Say 'goodby' to Maternity Leave, say 'goodby' to reproductive rights, and say 'Hello' to forced marriage. Yep, women voters who are leaving the Democratic ticket because Hillary isn't there sure are sheep......
It seems that you are jumping the gun. I have yet to hear Sarah Palin say she is against maternity leave. Or for forced marraiges. She is pro-life. She states it clearly and has shown by example that she honors her own belief. I have yet to hear her condemn any women for choosing differently. Alaska has somehow managed to keep abortion leagal, still has maternity leave, and has had no documented forced marriages that I know of. Even with Sarah Palin as Gov!
This is strictly a women's issue for how we accept ourselves. We aren't very fair to ourselves about parenting remaining convinced that the best care for our kids is mommy - not paid help or even daddy.
So recognize the source of the issue - other women. News has circulated about her water breaking in Texas and her deciding to take a 12 hour flight home to Alaska and drive from the airport to Wasilla. I'll bite that by the time you have your fifth kid you are a pretty good judge of how long it will take and how close you can cut it.
So yes, other women might be really turned off by her persona besides her political views.
there was a comment in nytimes.com that i think hits the nail on the head. the comment basically said, if the GOP and the Palins want us to stay out the Palin family's private life, then they should stay out of our private lives as well--stay out of people's bedrooms, stay out of whom they want to marry, stay out of women's choices for their bodies.
yes, the questioning of Palin being qualified to be a VP because of her gender, or her family situation--these are unacceptable. BUT...the media needs to dig good and hard at the many other things that make her unqualified and frightening. to vote for abstinence-only education in schools, and then to have her teen daughter get pregnant...talk about irony. to talk about reforming big government, and then to be under investigation for improper use of power to get her ex-brother-in-law fired...talk about hypocrisy. and hypocrisy is what this woman is all about.
i don't care if she is a woman, a man, a hermaphrodite, or if she has an extra nipple--i just want the rest of the world to know what she truly stands for, what she is capable of, and what damage she could do to this already much-damaged nation if McCain wins.
Oh, sour grapes, Cashmyre. Stop looking for problems that don't exsist, just because you want Obama to win. The sky isn't going to fall on you, Chicken Little.
Yes, the republicans did make a lot out of what happened with the Clintons in the 90's. Guess what? The democrats are the ones who are currently vilifying them now for that. The same emails I got about Bill in the 90's were sent to me by democrats this time around. In the 90's, the democrats said it was all a republican conspiracy. Now the democrats condemn the Clinton's for the behavior. They call it the 'Clinton baggage'. Both sides are so hypocritical it's hard to imagine any have been educated at all. Some of us actually follow what happens and remember. The young people who bashed Hillary in favor of Obama can't even remember that their bashing was republican 'speak' back then.
I agree with you Kathleen. However, this situation is unlike any that a woman faces in in her life. I will just mention that by accepting the nomination for Vice President of the United States, Governor Palin has opened up her life to a great deal of scrutiny. Rare is the public servant whose private life hasn't leached into the public domain. Criticizing another's parenting or life choices is a despicable thing to do. However, I hold the Republican party's fundamental platform largely responsible for what Governor Palin is going through. I remember a few years ago, when Murphy Brown had a child out of wedlock, the Republicans went ballistic about the decay of moral values in American society. What happened now that one of their very own has a child who has done a 'Murphy Brown'? Also the Republican rationale for selecting Governor Palin as McCain's running mate is her devotion to family values. I am beginning to wonder what those family values are, or worse, if Governor Palin has any. Again, I only have economic and medical arguments against teen pregnancies, not moral ones. However, it irks me when I get a sermon about morals but the sermonizer doesn't follow their own philosophy.
I just need to get this on record: Murphy Brown wasn't actually real, so she didn't actually have a child out of wedlock. The repubs went ballistic about a television show. This Palin woman however is very real, and so is the danger our country faces if we allow her anywhere near the Oval Office.
Your comparison of Murphy Brown to Palin's pregnant daughter showes you miss the point of morality entirely. The issue isn't that the pregnancie occured, lots of conservative Christains have teenage daughters who have gotten pregnant, I am one of them. The difference is in how you react to it. In Murphy Brown's case, single mother hood was glorified as something good, whereas in reality, most singly moms don't have her financial resources to carry it off that well. When my daughter got pregnant however, she knew and I reafirmed that she had made a mistake and it would be a tough road, but I also reafirmed that I would be there to help her when she made the descision to keep the baby and face the consequences of bad choices, rather than let the baby pay for her bad behavior with it's life.
That's all well and good, and I agree that there have been a few blatantly sexist comments about the Palin candidacy (as there were about Hillary Clinton's). But doesn't this constellation of choices, choices that you and many women would not make, regardless of their political views, feed the myth that parenthood doesn't require sacrifices?
Having one child, let alone five (and not to mention one with special needs) does mean weighing every choice you make against how your child or children are affected. I think we are entitled to question Sarah Palin's judgement on these choices, because judgement is critical in our presidents and vice presidents, and because her motherhood is being touted, essentially, as one of her qualifications for office.
The only thing we should concern ourselves with is her ability to be VP, not her parenting skills, which appear to be very good in spite of all the worried Democrats, who are REALLy worried about their choice for that office. If given the opportunity, Sarah Palin will be an amazing VP, AND an amazing mother. Has anyone even remembered that her husband will be involved in helping with the children, and if necessary, they can hire a part time Nanny; its been done before, so how is this differen? Many Downs Syndrom children grow up to function just fine, although, not on the same level as one who does not have that particular condiction, they are still capable of learning and doing things for themselves. Its not any differen from one who is born with a physical difference, Helen Keller is a great example of one who managed to do very well in spite of being blind, not able to hear at all, or speak clearly; she is an insperation for all if us. If the children are well cared for, have good quality time together with their parents, and are happy, then what is the problem? Why not wait and see, should she become our VP, if her job interfers with her homemaking or parenting skills, or if those skills interfer with her job. Stop projecting problems that may not ever occur.
Very well said - THANK YOU!!!
Thank you so much for saying this - and saying this so well. I have never described myself as either a republican or a democrat - or a feminist. BUT I am a 45 year old woman with 3 degrees and 2 kids. I have worked their entire lives, and I've been told before that women going to work and leaving children in daycare was the 'ruination' of this country. Those were very conservative men telling me this. Now I hear liberal women saying these things about Palin. I am disturbed, angry, confused -especially after Hillary's treatment in the primaries. I watched my single mother TRY to get jobs in the 70's and saw the sexism (and wrote a paper on the ERA in 6th grade because of it). Now the women who fought for these equal rights are slamming a woman who is exercising the rights. I think this year of politics has proven to me that sexism is much more acceptable than racism in this country. People don't even 'look over their shoulders' before making an incredibly sexist, cruel statement about women - whether it's Hillary or Sarah. This year, Palin gets my vote since Hillary had that opportunity taken from her. Thanks to the media.
The fact that Ms. Deveny makes such statements reflects the sad state of today's world where anyone, especially loud and obnoxious people, have a platform with which to spew their venom. Unfortunately, the above article and its conclusion show that woman are allowed to make reverse-sexist comments without shame or recourse simply because it is coming from a woman. I take serious objection to the above statements, as a male, and posit that Ms. Deveny has never seen the inside of a family that does not have stereotypical gender roles. As for me, in MY two-plus decades in the workforce, I have heard many a man criticize the childcare arrangements of another man's family. The fact that Ms. Deveny has not, shows what a sheltered life she has lead where she suggests working mothers take time off while the men are required to return to work. Ms. Deveny claims that working mothers face challenges that working fathers don't. What a sexist statement! In attempting to claim that the media is perpetrating a double-standard, Ms. Deveny has fallen prey to her own biases, suggesting that ALL working mothers are to be placed on a pedestal while working fathers remain aloof. That may be the case in her sad little world, but around here, men care very much for their families and make special arrangements when necessary. Her blanket statements that working mothers face greater challenges may have been the case in the 1950's and 1960's, but this is the 21st century where men, like myself, are just as involved in the rearing and care of my children as my wife. I would have loved to take six months off to care for my two daughters when they were born, Ms. Deveny, especially since my youngest has chromosomal issues as well. Unfortunately, my greater challenge was to be forced to go back to work, away from my newborns, because men get little to no maternity leave. Try being forced to go back to work when all you want to do is be home with your new baby and then talk to me about greater challenges.
To suggest that Gov. Palin's parenting decisions should not be under scrutiny is yet another attempt to wrongly claim that any questioning of a candidate's sensitive "family issues" should be kept off limits. This has not been the practice in the history of politics and it will certainly not stop simply because this particular candidate is a Republican woman with five kids. Personally, regardless of the sex of the candidate, I would question their decision to allow themselves to hold such a demanding public office while still producing young children, especially ones with special needs. I would question ANYONE who does not work the least amount of hours to be home with their families, especially ones with newborns and ESPECIALLY ones with special needs children.
Ms. Deveny, if you can't adjust your biases to allow that men can actually think this way, then you have no business in the publishing world.
And what is the rationale behind teaching creationism in schools? Are we talking about "creationism" in the opinion of Muslims? Hindus? how about Mormons? Fundementalist Christians (Earth was created only 6,000yrs ago), or how about Scientologists? I'm sure many are scoffing at these questions, but i hope you see my point. If al you're concerned about is preading Evangelical Christianity, well there are plenty of Christian schools out there; but how can you teach "creationism" in public schools in only one narrow light.
Once again, too short-sighted and extreme for representing all of America.
Somehow, I don't expect Creationism entails teaching that we are all inhabiting the dream of Vishnu.
Dont forget Ganesha:)
Well, while i respect your passion about Sarah Palin on the far right, Obama has been rising in the polls substantially in some key battleground states since her introduction onto the national stage. This is because the battleground states arent won by appealing to the furthest wing of your party. Sorry Johnny Mac, but your base isnt big enough to carry you to 1600 Penn, it'll only carry you home.
elizac, what are you REALLY worried about? If she feels comfortable with raising a family while helping run the country, then give here a chance to prove she is capable of doing that. As for being involved, you can't possibly have a family and not be involved, so what makes you think she isn't? She can always hire help if she needs to, lots of working mothers do that. Even Caroline & John Kennedy Jr. had a Nanny, and Jackie wasn't even in politics, except as the wife of the president! Give the woman a chance!
Newsweek, you were right in there too at the start! Shame on you and a huge shame on "US" magazine for the the text on their cover of Sarah Palin. Talk about going beyond the pale. She has done more for Alaska, and the people of Alaska in less than two years as Governor of that state, than Obama has done in Washington during the time he has been there!
For those who don't believe the parenting arrangements for a father are put under the microscope, try being an active-duty single-parent military member (or one where both parents are military). For deployment planning (at least in the Air Force), you are required to have a plan for how and when your children, or incapable adult family members, will be taken care of; both short and long term. Plans must be in writing, and provided to the Mobility officer of the unit. Some take care of their family, others have to be forced into planning for contingencies which could take them away for potentially extended periods. I agree with the main element of your article that the problem is not that she is being looked at, it is How she is being looked at. Hope all will start focussing on her governmental positions, ethical questions, and the fact she has no federal experience; there is plenty there yet to be vetted by competent authority (the people, not McCain). I have long been comfortable with a female commander in chief. I have never been comfortable with self-serving politicians, no matter what their gender. Thanks.
Jacky, how is her expressing her personal beliefs a threat to you, how is that "forcing" them on you? When you express your personal beliefs, are you attempting to push them on everyone else? Theres a difference in expressing what YOU believe, and in telling others they should feel the same way. Sarah Palin only spoke of HER feelings, I never once heard her say that her feelings should be adopted by everyone else. Lets acknowlege that even public figutes have a right to have personal feelings which may not agree with ours; but that does not mean they can't still be a very good leader for everyone. Mature people respect each other's beliefs, even if they are not what we believe. As for her experience, she has much more experience in political dealings than Obama does.
This is not a double standard. Why is the wife more responsible for family? Because moms are a unique influence in a child's life and no one else, not dad or the nanny can substitute on the emotional level. Dad is very important in raising a child but the mother's nurturing and influence in the child's life is special by nature - especially in a very young child's life - as well as a teenaged girl's life. This mom influence requires a mom's time. Wasn't the campaign boasting that Palin is a Hockey Mom? Well I guess being available to her children for such things isn't important anymore. I'm a conservative Republican and I had a career - but I turned down assignments that would result in too much travel or to miss evenings with my kids while they were growing up. It didn't kill my career and my children had my time for homework and softball games. It doesn't feel to me that McCain had family values in mind with this selection - and he did have other qualified choices. In my opinion, a VP and possible president job for SP at this time in her young children's life is ill-timed for the best interests of the children. Once ALL the kids are older then no problem, shoot for the stars.
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