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  • Posted By: hewburn @ 09/03/2008 5:30:39 PM

    This is really ridiculous!. I'm a woman who will never ever vote Republican until they change their platform. It's outrageous to me that if Sarah Palin and her Republican buddies have their way, pregnant rape and incest victims would be forced to give birth to the child that was forced upon them. I'm sure Sarah Palin can juggle her job, caring for her family - I just hope she never represents me or my daughters in the WH.
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  • Posted By: Chicago_08 @ 09/03/2008 2:04:10 PM

    How ironic, seems Gov. Palin's daughter could have used "sex education" in High School rather than the Republican "family values" stance of teaching only "abstinence" in schools. What a joke! Republicans must think we're all so stupid! Gov. Palin is the example conservatives put forward as holding their type of "family values"? Gov. Palin can't even control her daughter from getting knocked up before the age of 17! How can she run the United States government?

    • Posted By: paproudmom @ 09/03/2008 2:12:54 PM

      First of all we do not know what conversations Gov. Palin had with her daughter. She could have said all the right things and still her daughter may not have listened. Do you honestly believe that every child listens to their parents advise? This is a very unfair and critical viewpoint. My family values involve being fair to others. Obviously from your self righeous commentary fairness is not a value of yours.

      • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 09/03/2008 2:37:59 PM

        She could have got her on the pill or gave her a condom. Somehow, I doubt this was done.

        • Posted By: jennyferd @ 09/03/2008 5:24:27 PM

          Neither of which is 100% effective. Maybe she was on the pill or using condoms.

    • Posted By: pixiepunk @ 09/03/2008 2:16:41 PM

      The fact that she's pregnant at 17 rather than 10 or 11 (the age at which kids are starting these days) is commendable.

  • Posted By: Copperriver @ 09/03/2008 5:19:34 PM

    Yeah, we are being played by the whole McCain Camp on this one. If this is all such a "private" matter, why is the boy father meeting McCain for a very publi photo opp?

  • Posted By: Chopperace @ 09/03/2008 5:14:43 PM

    Well said. Whether you lean to one side of the political spectrum or the other I think we all expect too much from women and not enough from men when it comes to the daily division of familial responsibilities. Wake up America. We ought to applaud people who are trying to make a difference, not diss them.
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  • Posted By: jcounter @ 09/03/2008 5:13:08 PM

    and I'm sure my politics couldn't be further from the author of this piece...moronic is how I would sum up her commentary...."Blackberry in one hand, Red Bull in the other" "seemingly oblivious to her youngest daughter" "it made me LIKE her"? what?? it made me think this woman, like many, want it all, and given the fact that Ms. Palin is in politics, only drives home that obvious fact...as much as I might agree with Ms. Palin's politics, I don't think someone whose been the Governor of Alaska is qualified to be the VP (President), nor do I think the mother of five school-age children should be running for VP...she should be at home as much as possible, not part of the VP job description

    MILF/GILF...never heard of those before...how trashy...doesn't this writer have any editors

    the fact that the author of this piece is miffed why many people, men and women, from the left and right, don't see how this woman can handle the VP position given all that is going on in her personal life (not including the recent revelations regarding her teenage daughter being pregnant)...and how someone, in this case, this woman, "runs her personal life" is relevant to the debate about her choice as VP...so is her stand on abortion (which I agree with and of course this feminist author surely disagrees with)

    "Working mothers face challenges that working fathers don't. Right or wrong, women overall still shoulder an unfair burden when it comes to childcare and household duties"...what a crock! where is this woman living, many men shoulder the majority of their kids care, household upkeep, not to mention still be expected to keep their wives cars, the lawn, coach their kids sports teams, etc.

  • Posted By: c_wood @ 09/03/2008 3:20:10 PM

    This is not about Ms. Palin's daughter, this is about the hypochrasy that Ms. Palin lives by. She preaches abstinance, but her own underage teenage daughter is pregnant and unmarried. She preaches against government waste, but diverted millions of federal money to her own town and has asked for nearly $200 million this year in federal earmarks even when Alaska is flush with money from oil revenue. She preaches honesty and integrety, but is currently being investigated for firing a state worker for refusing to dimiss her ex-brother in-law. She preaches patriotism, but her own husband was part of a political party that supported succeeding Alaska from the union. She preaches good Christian values, but again her husband was arrested for driving under the influence. She preaches shaking up the system, but it was her own political party, the Republicans, she shook up in Alaska. And all this has come up in only a few days. The fact that her family has been wrapped up in this is her own fault. She has the oddacity to preach to others how they should live their life and what "good moral values" are, but her and her family don't even follow what they preach. Nobody can stand a polical hypocrate, and she can't blame anybody but herself for this fiasco.

    • Posted By: baybluv @ 09/03/2008 5:12:54 PM

      Couldn't have said it better. You live by the sword, you die by it,

  • Posted By: sofraj @ 09/03/2008 5:02:44 PM

    I oppose her nomination because she is not qualified. I would oppose a man with the same resume'. There is not enough time between now and election day for the electorate to make a sound decision on her qualifications or learn more about her. There are many who say we don't know Obama well enough yet and we've been reading about him in the press for nearly 2 years. Shame on John McCain to throw this curve ball at the electorate and the pandering it implies. It is correct for us (the voters) and the press to completely vet her bewteen now and election day. Maybe we'd rather go softball on her and risk a tragic mistake like all the softballing in the run up to the Iraq war. Heaven help us if we fail so badly again.

  • Posted By: jordanadah @ 09/03/2008 4:48:48 PM

    A man in her shoes, and a paper slim resume would never be chosen. And your photo showing her ignoring her child for business says it all. She had that last child to get the spot. Who's going to vote against a new mom. But that baby will never see much of her and will die fairly soon in misery, thinking (if it can think) thanks mom, for not saving me this life by having an abortion.

    • Posted By: kas_wolf @ 09/03/2008 4:51:20 PM

      Really? We have all listened ad nauseum to Obama's vast ability to lead the US - and his resume is as skinny as hers - or more so.

      Sounds like some pandering....

      • Posted By: mrzoid @ 09/03/2008 5:01:11 PM

        If experience was that important, John McCain wouldn be the candidate. He has no more experience as an exec. than Obama. If this were about being ready to lead because of "experience" it would be a Cheney vs. Gore election. I dare say that Obama knows more about the economy than McCain, since McCain said he isn't very knowledgable about the economy (the most importan issue to Americans, and an issue Obama holds a substantial lead in the opinion polls with).

  • Posted By: NWscot08 @ 09/03/2008 5:00:00 PM

    "Comment: Palin is not qualified because she has no foreign policy experience.

    Wow. Obama has not experience either - yet he is running for President no less. How does that work?"

    That is the point, Obama ran for the nomination for the Democratic Party and won. He made his case, based on his experience, adequate or not, to the American people, won the primary and is clearly in the lead in the polls. He was not appointed like Palin was. To say that she is as or has more experience is reductionist reasoning. My aunt Bessie also has not experience so she as as qualified as Obama ergo she should be appointed VP for the GOP?

  • Posted By: Omaar @ 09/03/2008 4:33:37 PM

    CONSERVATIVE MY A!!

    THE GIRL IS IN PHOTO'S KISSING HER FEMALE COUSIN, DRINKING ALCOHOL AND SHE'S PREGNANT BY A YOUNG BOY, WHO SAYS ON HIS MY-SPACE PAGE "I DON'T WANT TO HAVE CHILDREN" AND "I'M A RED-NECK"

    WATCH, THERE IS GOING TO BE A FORCED MARRIAGE, THERE WILL BE A POLITICAL "SHOTGUN WEDDING" BECAUSE OF HIS PREGNANT GIRLFRIEND'S MOTHER, IS RUNNING FOR THE VP OF THE USA...PUH-LEASE

    WATCH THEY PUT ON A SHOW...OR ANNOUNCE THEY'VE MARRIED OR WILL BE MARRIED SOON !!

    THIS BEHAVIOR FROM THE STEREO TYPICAL REPUBLICAN MACHINE, IS SOMETHING THATS RELEGATED TO THE DEMOCRATS.

    KNOWING THATS A DAMN LIE AND ALL POLITICAL PARTIES AND SOCIAL CLASSESS HAVE THIS PROBLEM...

    THE REPUBS. HAVE LABELED THIS A DEMOCRATIC PARTY FORM OF BEHAVIOR.

    YET WHEN YOU HIDE THIS GIRLS PREGNANCY BY HAVING HER HOLD HER DOWN SYNDROME CHILD, WITH A LONG WHITE TOWEL, WHEN ALL SHE HAD TO SAY IS, MY DAUGHTER IS 5 MONTHS PREGNANT, IT STINKS OF A COVER UP.

    THE 17 YR OLD GOT PREGNANT AND SHE IS SUPPOSE TO HAVE MORAL CHARECTER AND UPHOLD WHAT SHE ESPOUSE TO OTHER YOUNG UN-WED MOTHERS.

    THATS THE CULTURE OF THOSE ALASKANS, THEY ARE IN NO DIFFERENT THEN THOSE LIVING IN THE APPALACHIAN MOUNTAINS OR THE OZARKS...

    • Posted By: Heavensinthemtns_unless your a devil... @ 09/03/2008 4:56:09 PM

      Sounds like a little mind is afraid of people that are different. You may not come from the mtns or the ozarks - doesnt make YOU better - only bigotted. Culture? Your way of thinking went out with the scaredy cats that hid behind sheets as they killed, raped and spread their bigotry behind a mask. Hey- better yet come on down to the mtns sometime...share your bigotry....if you got the guts! You arent about Class, Character or Culture - Bigotted Ignorance is the point of your post.

  • Posted By: mrzoid @ 09/03/2008 4:54:31 PM

    I think that whats lost in thes preceedings is the fact that while McCain may get a few more GOP aligned voters out in the south, he's going to push Obama a few points ahead in the swing states: He's lost Michigan, plain and simple, Penn. is no longer in play, nor is Minn., or Wis., NMex, not a chance, and Colorado and Nevada are slipping away. Even Iowa has tilted towards Obama. At his rate Ohio and Florida won't even save him, and yes, new Ohio numbers show Obama swinging ahead by a slim margin.
    Oh lord he'll take Texas and Utah hard though.

  • Posted By: thinkinghelps @ 09/03/2008 4:51:24 PM

    My issues is not that she is a mom with 5 kids, my issue is that fact that she has a 17 year old daughter who is pregnant. Clearly she is not getting it done at home, so what makes me think she is going to get it done as vice president. I also have a problem with the fact that McCain has asked people to back of, then Palin has brought her daughter and boyfriend to the convention. You cannot have it both ways.

  • Posted By: flourgirlsweets @ 09/03/2008 4:32:14 PM

    So why doesn't anyone talk about the fact that she does have a husband and he is the parent of these children as well. He quit work when she became governor and I expect he would not go back to work if she is VP so don't these kids have a full time, stay at home parent? Or don't dads count? Its sad that in all this talk is the implicit arguement that Palin is a bad parent so she will be a bad VP. How many good presidents have been lousy fathers. I think even Republicans would agree that Reagan didn't exactly have a great relationship with his kids. Would we consider a person's family or parenting skills as a disqualifier for a CEO job? There are a lot of highly successful people who have very messy personal lives. I am a working mom and I am tired of seeing women justify their own choices by demeaning and attacking women who make different choices. Wasn't the whole point of feminism to give women choices?

    • Posted By: baybluv @ 09/03/2008 4:49:17 PM

      Everything I've read stated that he runs his own business so how is he at home. The nanny is raising the kids, no wonder the girl is pregnant.

  • Posted By: blakeplacid @ 09/03/2008 4:47:13 PM

    While I appreciate the author's acknowledgement of the unfair treatment of Gov. Palin - one line in this piece is so oddly out-of-place that I could barely stomach the rest of the article, even-handed as it seemed to be. It was this: "I have been surprised, however, by the reactions of many women???not to Palin's pro-life views or to the fact that she had asked members of her onetime church to pray for the completion of a $30 billion natural-gas pipeline project..."
    It is exactly this sort of secularist elitism that makes the average american roll their eyes and turn off national media. This unabashed disdain for those who actually possess a faith that infuses their everyday lives and decisions is pathetically intolerant and betrays a stark ignorance of life outside those pretentious academies that draw cookie-cutter, affirmation-seeking "progressives" like ants at a picnic. The most pathetic thing is that she seems to expect that "many women" will be equally as repulsed by Gov. Palin's expression of her faith. I wonder if she's ever met a woman that lives outside NY, LA or DC. I suspect that if she has she scoffs at the poor, uneducated little dears that can't share her ivy-league enlightenment.
    People's faith is real. Just because you have some barrier that prevents you from acknowledging your own reliance on a higher power doesn't give you the moral or professional justification to belittle others with a more full understanding of the world around them. Treat others with respect first, and then maybe your call for a more respectful discussion of Gov. Palin's credentials will seem more legitimate.

  • Posted By: jake2485 @ 09/03/2008 4:11:49 PM

    delawaremom - you are exactly right. Edwards should not have run for office with his wife undergoing cancer treatment (he should not have done a lot of things). And Palin (Sarah or Todd) should not be running with a four month old special needs baby and teenager who is pregnatnt at home.

    • Posted By: kas_wolf @ 09/03/2008 4:16:21 PM

      Why not? Should they barricade themselves in the house?

      The world doesn't stop because you are having a personal crisis. In my experience, people on the whole are usually having a personal crisis; recovering from a personal crisis or getting set to have a personal crisis.

      S__t happens. Character is defined by how you deal with it. I would say Palin is deal very well.

      • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 09/03/2008 4:25:01 PM

        I think the family of all politicians have hardships. So, it's a compromise. I don't think she should be slammed for having 5 kids. She should be slammed for her far, far right-wing orthodoxy that is so out of synch with the majority of America.

        • Posted By: kas_wolf @ 09/03/2008 4:33:21 PM

          What? What is the view of the majority? Or do you speak for the Michael Moore voting block?

          • Posted By: mrzoid @ 09/03/2008 4:46:41 PM

            The majority? Um, those believing creationism shoudnt be taught in school, those believing that abortion should be an option in case of incest and rape. Those believing that the troops are doing the work of the USA, not "god's work". Those who believe that sex education, and not abstinence, should be taught in school.

            That enough for you?

          • Posted By: kas_wolf @ 09/03/2008 4:41:29 PM

            :-) Actually Moore is a voting block all on his own.....

  • Posted By: Bethie @ 09/03/2008 4:01:24 PM

    You dilute the issue. Most of the women I know have been fighting this thinking for years. And mostly against the right wing. There is a false narrative that has been exploited to dodge the real issue. The conflict that we see in Gov. Palin is the attitude OK for me but not for thee. As a Dem, I am very happy that she is standing by her daughter but I honestly can't see her doing anything but that. What exactly are we congradulating her for...not coming out with a statement calling her daughter a nasty name and physically throwing her off the stage by her hair. Actions speak louder than words. She vetoed the majority of funding of an exisiting clinic in Alaska to help teen mothers in exactly the same situation her daughter finds herself in. But these women have different situations and find themselves in totally unsupportive situations. That is the mommy war that we should be discussing -- Sarah against the mommies. Sarah supports her daughter but throws other teen mommies out of thier shelter. (Not so sexy a subject huh...do what you can to carry their narratives)
    Sarah Palin exemplifies what most Progressive women are frighten of -- lack of rights over their own bodies. Good for Sarah that she will be there for her daughter. But we want her to be there for all of our daughters.

    Quote me one person that has, in any official capacity, been saying that she should stay home. No modern women would say that.
    To allow the McCain campaign to try to spin this as people being mean to Sarah you need to stop it. She wants to be second in command of our country...Act like it. Putin is not going to back off her.

    This is as much a blatent dodge as Sen. McCain using the POW defense whenever he can't answer the tough questions.

    • Posted By: kas_wolf @ 09/03/2008 4:10:55 PM

      "The conflict that we see in Gov. Palin is the attitude OK for me but not for thee."

      Tell me - WHERE do you see this? Because what the rest of us see is "this is my belief and I am going to support that belief and my daughter".

      Not sure what you are looking at - Michelle Obama perhaps?

      • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 09/03/2008 4:31:37 PM

        We've explained it over and over. Palin believes parents should teach sex education. Her own teen gets knocked up. Unless you can show me where she did everything she could to prevent the pregnancy, she is a hypcrite.

        • Posted By: kas_wolf @ 09/03/2008 4:44:55 PM

          Hypocrite because her daughter made a contrary decision?

          Palin would be a hypocrite if she stuck his penis in her daughter ( sorry for the graphic image) - since not even the rabidly biased press hasn't mentioned this happening, I don't see her as the hypocrite.

  • Posted By: MJ6161 @ 09/03/2008 4:37:12 PM

    She's made old news out of that Obama guy. Let's see if she can become "America's Mom" tonite.

    • Posted By: mrzoid @ 09/03/2008 4:39:42 PM

      What about this woman is "average" or "middle america", the fact that she is a mother? Well, i am over-f*cking-whelmed; i didnt realize that having children bridged all the differences of ultra-conservatives and the rest of us. I guess you learn another falsehood everyday.

  • Posted By: MJ6161 @ 09/03/2008 4:39:11 PM

    She's made old news out of that Obama guy. Let see if she can become "America's Mom" tonight, gliding on the backlash from the nasty media attacks.

  • Posted By: mrzoid @ 09/03/2008 4:08:44 PM

    Not related to Palin's family situation, relating to her views on sex education: Yes!! Check out the statistics conservatives. Those girls taking the "abstinence pledge" are 60% more likely to engage in oral and anal intercourse. The abstinence is the answer crowd has driven high school girls into porn style sex; great outcome.

    • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 09/03/2008 4:14:58 PM

      Man. I wish they had these pledges when I was in highschool!

      • Posted By: mrzoid @ 09/03/2008 4:18:18 PM

        I know, right; but seriously, how does this statistic make the case for teaching abstinence?

        • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 09/03/2008 4:28:55 PM

          It doesn't. Abstinence-only education has been proven to be counter to its supposed purpose, preventing unwanted pregnancies. There can be no argument.

          • Posted By: kas_wolf @ 09/03/2008 4:35:35 PM

            I suppose you are one of those 'there is no global warming debate' folks too? There is always room for debate - apparently YOUR choice works no better than abstinence.

    • Posted By: Tappy McWidestance @ 09/03/2008 4:23:19 PM

      Since the McCain camp put her family into political play, we absolutely have a right to take her to taask for her views. My first question to Palin would be, "How's that Abstinence Only Sex Education plan working out for ya?" I love it when the wing nuts get caught in their own web! One thing to always remember, the Religous Right is NEITHER!

  • Posted By: krounded @ 09/03/2008 4:34:13 PM

    Ms. Palin is being used by the Republican party as a sacrificial lamb in a losing year. They want to be able to state in the future "Look, we nominated a woman!"
    Unfortunately, this lamb is being slaughtered. The judgement exhibited by the Repub's and ultimately by McCain who caved to their urging, disqualifies them from holding elected office in this time and place.

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