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  • Posted By: dawgluvher @ 09/03/2008 3:40:01 PM

    How Palin governs her family is fair game because it can give insight to her decision-making abilities in governing the country. Just as I would not want a Vice President that was mis-managing the families finances, over-extended with credit, or recently filed bankruptcy. If they couldn't manage their own financial affairs, what would lead be to have confidence that they could manage the country's economy? It would not make sense.

  • Posted By: RochelleLong @ 09/03/2008 3:03:19 PM

    I'm a mommy who has serious concerns about Palin's family choices. Generally, I do not criticize other women's choices that are different from my own but when you are held up as a roll model for women and our daugters and that your (apparent) success is meant to support the deception that women can do it all - all at the same time. I have a serious problem. We are highly talented and very capable but we all have the same 24 hours in the day. The weakness in Sara's own family that results from her choices is personal. But when we parade Sara Palin as a champion of future women, we weaken the next generation of familes.

    • Posted By: kas_wolf @ 09/03/2008 3:06:45 PM

      As a ROLE model; Palin is exceptional. She handles her job well - while being a good mother. She is not a single parent - and I would hazard a guess that her husband also had a hand in making all 5 of those kids. He is as able as she to care for them when the demands of her job dictate she attend to it first.

      And no - attending her job does not make her kids come last - just focusing on the job while the other parent handles the children.

      Perhaps those mom's who cannot juggle home and career are just not as good at time management as those who can.

      • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 09/03/2008 3:12:45 PM

        Don't forget that she was an Alaska secessionist. That should appeal to all those supporters of the Confederacy in the South. Nothing like a VP candidate that's for the breakup of the union.

        • Posted By: kas_wolf @ 09/03/2008 3:15:54 PM

          Given some of the leanings of the Union - it may not be a bad thought.

          Guaranteed if the Supreme Court Second amendment case had come out differently; Montana and Texas would be setting up their own governments right now.

          • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 09/03/2008 3:37:55 PM

            Glad to get you on the record as being pro-succession. It helps us evaluate your other loony posts.

  • Posted By: suzanne@thesalesfactor.com @ 09/03/2008 2:39:58 PM

    I don't believe that a candidate (male or female) that doesn't understand a family in crisis should have any part in the running of our country. Where are the "values" that leave a newborn at three days to return to work? And, where are the "values" that would subject her teenager daughter to this media circus? She should have said "no thanks" to McCain and taken care of her family...if she is such a star...her time would wait!!!

    • Posted By: bojack27 @ 09/03/2008 3:37:01 PM

      I guess you can say that to all women who serve in the military as well who leave their children and go off and fight a war.... where are their values? What about the men who leave their wives to handle the crisis by themselves?

      Your reasoning doesn't make a lick of sense!

  • Posted By: CETraveler @ 09/03/2008 3:18:19 PM

    Perhaps it would be appropriate for the public to concern itself with politicial candidates' career ambitions in relation to family obligations and challenges regardless of the candidates' gender. I can't help but care if a candidate makes his or her political aspirations a priority at the expense of family (and please don't try to convince me that the Vice President -- and potentially the President, of the United States -- will have ample one and one time with a four month old son, a pregnant seventeen year old daughter, and three other children while actively addressing the needs of the nation). For me it is a ,matter of character. I am a single professional woman, and I need to make difficult choices when faced with balancing my childrens' emotional needs with our family's financial obligations. It's important to me that the candidate I vote for has, by and large, similiar priorities. One day my children will not need my attention to the degree that they do now. But while they do, they will have it. The responsibility I accepted when I chose to have my children supercedes my professional ambitions. And I believe that I'd feel the same way if I were a man.

    • Posted By: kas_wolf @ 09/03/2008 3:21:49 PM

      Perhaps it would be appropriate and fitting if America busied itself with contrasting the candidates stance on the issues rather than churning over a story that - at most - is anecdotal.

      There are REAL issues to debate and this is an obfuscation that benefits Obama. So nice to see the press jump on it to save their 'boy'.

      • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 09/03/2008 3:35:49 PM

        Palin is a joke, and the right knows it. You're stuck. Your guy had a very small chance of success before, and now he's going down in flames. I personally will be fiddling as I watch.

  • Posted By: pixiepunk @ 09/03/2008 2:20:30 PM

    Mommy wars it is! The issue over stay at home moms vs. working moms will be debated for decades to come. The point is that I have seen stay at home moms raise some pretty screwed up kids and hard-working moms raise some great ones. Because a mother chooses to work vs. stay at home does not make her a better or a worse mom. My personal opinion from my many years of observing children grow up is the ones with working moms tend to be more self-sufficient and less needy when they grow up - especially the men!

    • Posted By: Redrose40 @ 09/03/2008 3:03:21 PM

      Very few stay at home middle class mothers raised screwed up kids. in my neck of the woods it is the working parents and the wealthy kids that are messed up.

      • Posted By: anti-maverick @ 09/03/2008 3:34:36 PM

        Unfortunately, some people have to work to live. Being a stay at home middle class mother would be a slice of heaven, but I don't live in Candyland.

  • Posted By: myfairjuliet @ 09/03/2008 3:20:23 PM

    I am a working mother and I struggle every day to be the best mother I can be and also keep my boss happy, my husband satisfied and my house maintained (not necessarily in that order). It is not easy, but it can be done. If I truly mean it when I tell my daughter "you can be anything you work hard enough to be" then I have to support Palin in her decision to run. It will mean sacrifices for her family and her personally, but what political person has not had to make sacrifices for the greater good when they chose to enter politics. What is politics, if not standing up for others, even if it means sacrificing yourself? She is a mother of five and is willing to sacrifice herself and her family time to make a better world for her five children, her son at war, her grandchild soon to be born and my child as well. She has the drive to see it through and I for one applaud her for it and will support her in her task. My vote is for Sarah.

    • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 09/03/2008 3:33:43 PM

      My guess is McCain had your vote to begin with. I doubt many independent and Democrat voters are fooled by the obvious pander that Palin's choice represents.

  • Posted By: rebrenee @ 09/03/2008 3:07:19 PM

    I am sorry, I personified the single working mom for 14 years. I lived in a state 2300 miles from my family, and I must admit that I believe God did help me by placing people and employment at a place that was sympathetic to the demands of motherhood. I was 33 years old, had a decent job and ONE child, and though there is nothing I would change, I would never reccommend such a situation. To be seventeen and pregnant is far from a prerequisite for successful child rearing, and so what if she marries the father? How many teen age love affairs are everlasting ? Yet a teen husband andwife with a child? Are you kidding??? How can this woman even contemplate being Vice president of the USA and she has FIVE children and an expecting grandchild whose mother is 17? How can we as a country even contemplate allowing any one with little experience, still a somewhat young mother herself put that kind of strain on herself ? Superwoman is a comic book character. But what I have surmised is that being an attentive and supporting mom is not this woman's priority or she would not be in her situation.. Hillary was done with child rearing, and though she was always politically active, A 24/7 job I'm sure she had the good sense not to try to do. She found balance in her life, and Chelsea is a product of that balance. I am not impressed by this woman, strictly from a moral standpoint and my belief in you should always do the right thing. I am ashamed of John McCain for putting this woman in such a position. I know work and family can be done, I've done it, but five children in this day and age is a bit extreme and vice president of the USA is also an extreme job, it is impossible to do both without one or the other and most cases both suffering irrepairble damge.

    • Posted By: feefee @ 09/03/2008 3:33:32 PM

      I agree with you, I was not a Hillary supporter but her political career is very impressive and she has done a wonderful job with Chelsea I don't care what anyone says. Why would you pick someone to be a VP and in four days they've already found this much luggage on her. I feel sorry for the 17 year old and her boyfriend now they are in the spotlight. Shame on McCain for making such an irrational decision.

  • Posted By: ghostdance7 @ 09/03/2008 2:08:23 PM

    Seriously? We've had all this time to hear every little detail about the Obama/McCain/Biden personal bios and political histories. McCain nominates someone that most people have never even heard of, whose entire history (political or otherwise) is unfamiliar, and people are crying foul over all of the questioning? This is politics...it's a public process. Answer the questions, answer the criticisms, or go home.

    • Posted By: pixiepunk @ 09/03/2008 2:13:41 PM

      The point is the TYPE of questions they are asking about her and the TYPE of scrutiny she is under. It is so infused with sexual bias it's not even funny. Sure, go ahead and vet her come on - be fair about it. She shouldn't have to deal with anything that a MAN wouldn't in the media.

      • Posted By: ghostdance7 @ 09/03/2008 3:31:53 PM

        ANY candidate will be asked about their spouse (and their spouse's politics), their children, and their positions on "family" and "child" issues. ANY candidate with an unwed, pregnant teenage daughter can expect questions. ANY candidate attempting parenting 5 children while leading the country will be asked questions. The real question is: "why do so many people WANT to see sexism when a woman is asked?"

  • Posted By: mrzoid @ 09/03/2008 3:30:16 PM

    None of these family issues disqualify Sarah Palin from being a VP or president for that matter; but get a grip, cause none of these family issues are qualifications either. Mabey we should find extrodinarilly versed people to occupy the most influencial office in the world. Just being a "down to earth", "family values", "hockey mom" does not make you viable to be in the executive branch unless you have the same superb grasp on all issues pressing America that all Presidents must have in order to not harm the country through their incompitence. Hillary Clinton had qualifications. Kay Bailey Hutchenson has very clear, long standing policy stances. Sarah Palin has conservative moral values; that is hardly a substitute for knowing nill about the military conflicts and foreign policy issues we face as a country; or knowing admittedly, very little, about the domestic economy.

    Being a mother is fine, women can do anything they chose; but being a mom doesnt make me look past her glaring pitfalls of knowledge about this elections stakes for the country.

  • Posted By: lionguy73 @ 09/03/2008 3:30:03 PM

    It amazes me how the actions of Bristol Palin are somehow a reflection of Gov. Palin's "failures" as a parent. I have a teenage son who's old enough to be sexually active. I've given him the "talk," but that doesn't mean he won't tell me to sod off and go learn the hard way if he wanted to. Does that make me a bad parent if he does? It's no different for the Palin family. Bristol has now found herself in an unfortunate situation, but I give her credit for not taking the easy way out. That attitude I'm sure she got from her mother, someone who won't cut-and-run when things get tough.

  • Posted By: opinatedfemale @ 09/03/2008 2:20:49 PM

    It is amazing to me the hypocrisy that still exists everywhere in politics and how as voters, we still don't focus on the right things. Shouldn't the focus be on the economy and the war and the security of the country? Instead we are focused on the issue of a woman running for vice president and how she balances that with raising a family. Goes to show you how many uneducated people are out there today. Did anyone question President Clinton when he was running with a teenage daughter living in the white house how he planned on balancing raising a daughter and being the president. And shouldn't the people that are so concerned about Sarah Palin's ability to raise children have been more concerned with the fact that both of the Clinton's were involved in politics when President Clinton was in office? Have we all forgotten that teenagers will usually do what their parents DON'T want them to do?

    The lack of education in this country is really showing if we are more concerned about the sex of our candidates than the education of our children. Wake up people and focus on the REAL issues!!!

    • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 09/03/2008 2:25:30 PM

      Hilary Clinton wasn't involved with politics until she ran for Senate, at the end of Clinton's second term. Before that, she was a first lady. Talk about the lack of education.

      • Posted By: Vesper2 @ 09/03/2008 2:53:26 PM

        Before that she was the First Lady. It's a title and capitalized. And First Lady's don't have anything to do except decide what the Christmas decorations will be? Any politician's wife is involved in politics. That was one of her "qualifications" for the Senate seat.

        • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 09/03/2008 3:28:48 PM

          I know. You are reinforcing my point.

          I didn't support Clinton in the primaries, but the poster was saying that both she and Bill were politicians during his presidency. I was correcting this factual mistake.

          You don't capitalize first lady unless you use it as a pronoun. Same with the word president.

      • Posted By: opinatedfemale @ 09/03/2008 3:18:56 PM

        She liked to say that she was the one who formed the health care plan and that they held the office together. And you don't think being First Lady is political?

  • Posted By: widemer @ 09/03/2008 3:28:21 PM

    I see the main issue being Palin's choice to accept the VP nod knowing that in doing so her daughter would become a poster child for unmarried teenage pregnancy. That is a choice that would be made by anyone in her position, male or female. I doubt that many would make the same choice as she.

  • Posted By: Vicki's View @ 09/03/2008 2:34:18 PM

    This is about choices ??? Sarah Palin???s and John McCain???s.

    First ??? and this relates directly to Ms. Deveny???s article ??? there is the issue of the choices faced by Sarah and Bristol Palin. Being pro-choice, I can understand and, indeed, find laudable Governor Palin???s decision to have her latest child. One has to wonder, however, about Bristol???s ???choice??? to have her baby and to marry someone who might not make the best father and husband. To what degree was that ???choice??? forced on young Bristol by her very ambitious mother? Governor Palin???s decision to plod ahead with a national political campaign ??? a campaign she must have known would shine a bright spotlight of publicity on a daughter in crisis ??? speaks volumes about the Governor???s priorities and, yes Ms. Deveny, her mommy skills.

    The second point relates to Mr. McCain???s choice - forced on him by the ???Base??? that smeared him in 2000. It has been described as a ???bold gamble.??? But, one must ask, a ???bold gamble??? with what? It???s one thing to gamble ??? boldly - with the future of a political campaign; it???s entirely another thing to gamble ??? recklessly ??? with the future of our country. Is it his to gamble with?

    ???Boldly,??? by the way, connotates ???strength.??? But Senator McCain???s caving in to the expediency of winning at any price reeks of weakness ??? the sort of weakness that throws into question the entire narrative of courage being woven around him. Courage, after all, is not just physical.

    Yes, there???s one more choice that needs mentioning ??? ours!


    • Posted By: kas_wolf @ 09/03/2008 2:58:24 PM

      So, rather than standing firm with his choice; he should show supposed strength and cave in to a media clamour about nothing?

      That sounds more like weakness - 'course some liberals get those 2 confused - run out of Iraq.....run away from controversy.....run aways from a position because the polls show it is not popular....

      If this is your idea of 'strength', vote for Obama.

      • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 09/03/2008 3:26:28 PM

        McCain should stand firm with his choice...rather like a captain who goes down with his ship. I personally want to him to continue with Palin. I love to watch the Republican talking heads contort and twist as they try to spin this choice as a good thing.

        Before the Palin pick, I predicted that if McCain picked Romney he was sure to lose. Little did I know that he had an even worse pick in the wings.

        Palin, the gift to Democrats that just keeps on giving.

  • Posted By: jjla01 @ 09/03/2008 3:24:32 PM

    You have kids, you take the responsibilities. What about woman who DON'T have kids, eh? Where is their "maternity" leave? Oh, that's right...the double standard says that women who have kids can get the time off while women who don't are penalized for not having them. We have an overpopulation problem people! 9 BILLION people by 2040..and people wonder where all the conflict comes from. Why the hell 5 kids? One or two wasn't good enough?

    Stop

  • Posted By: imnojunecleaver @ 09/03/2008 3:23:00 PM

    I don't have a problem with her being an ambitious, successful working mother. Just because she is why does it have to mean she is a bad mother that neglects her children? I know many highly successful, competent working mothers that balance work and family brilliantly. I'm working mother and it's tough, REALLY tough. It's a battle every day and the responsibilities are enormous. We should applaud those that do it and do it well, not put them down to make those of us that struggle feel better. These women are truly remarkable! It is obvious that Sarah Palin is intelligent, talented, driven, committed, level-headed, responsible and an inspiration to many. HOWEVER, I'm still not going to vote for her, even if she is all those things. I wasn't supporting Hilary only because she is a woman...I supported Hilary, and will now support Obama because I firmly believe in what they and the democratic party stands for. Palin, I respect her, I'm inspired by her accomplishments but I cannot align myself with her politically. Let's put the whole mom thing aside and focus on the issues. Do you agree with her (and McCain's) views on public policy, healthcare, womens issues, the economy, foreign affairs, global warming, the war in Iraq etc? NO? Okay then, that's why you don't vote for her.

  • Posted By: lwhaley @ 09/03/2008 3:22:09 PM

    As women we have spent years figtiing for equality and trying to prove our sameness with men. But I think that we have failed to accept that at our core, men and women are very different. Those differences should be celebrated. Men don't have babies! And as much as men should have the same responsibilites as women when it comes to parenting, the fact is, there is something very different when it comes to mothering.

    Yes, we should have equal pay for equal work and we should have the the same opportunities as men to compete for whatever jobs, careers and even public offices that we desire. Women make hard choices everyday as we try to strike a work life equation - it may not be balanced - that works for us. And none of us should be criticized for our personal choices.

    Sarah Palin has made her choices and whether we agree or disagree with her choices, it's an interesting debate. Unfotunately, I highly doubt that her 17 year old daughter made the choice to be thrown in the national spotlight and debate. This is a consequence that she has to pay for her mother's choice to run for a national office, while knowing that her life and family's life would be placed under a microscope. While perhaps none of this speaks to Palin's quailifications or ability to be an effective Vice President, it does make one question her judgement or her decision making process. Sarah Palin strikes me as a woman who can handle all the scrutiny. It's her daughter who I feel sorry for.

  • Posted By: lsickler @ 09/03/2008 3:20:13 PM

    I would never say this has be brought up in the main stream press but I know both my wife and I have discussed the impact on the Obama girls and should Barack wait to run for president until he and Michelle do not have the same responsibility with their children as they do today. In the end, I decided that's up to Barack and Michelle what burden they will put on their children and they appear to have solid family support so Barack will be able to focus on the job of President.

    With Ms. Palin, she has 5 children, 1 with special needs (4 months old) and her 17 year old daughter is having a baby. I think it's reasonable to ask the question, how do you expect to be able to handle this given your applying for one of the most powerful jobs in the world? I think if the situation was reversed Mr. Obama would be expected to answer a lot questions on the subject and I expect Ms. Palin to do the same.

  • Posted By: kas_wolf @ 09/03/2008 2:47:29 PM

    "John McCain made a rushed, misguided, flat out wrong choice in choosing her, not through any fault of Palin's. "

    Really? Her being in the running for this position for months is making a rushed decision? Why? Because you don't know her? Because she is "new" to the national political scene?

    In my book that is good - she is not a bloated, sycophantic career politician. She has fresh eyes and a history of acting against corruption. That will be a welcome "change" in Washington. All that - versus Biden - 36 years of being a Senator - and NOTHING else.

    She is a clear choice for the "change" Obama supposedly represents.

    • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 09/03/2008 2:55:13 PM

      It was a rushed decision. Even his own people have admitted this. The right is in full spin mode.

      • Posted By: kas_wolf @ 09/03/2008 3:12:27 PM

        And who is saying this? McCain? Doubtful.

        Just because you read something on Huffington Post doesn't make it true.

        • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 09/03/2008 3:20:13 PM

          His aides have said that it. They said that a vetting team wasn't in Alaska until a day before the pick was announced.

          McCain knuckled under to far right-wing. This is exactly why he has lost so much credibility with independent voters who used to value his independence from the extremes in his party.

  • Posted By: jaigd @ 09/03/2008 3:13:34 PM

    There are TWO Palin Issues - which are 2 Entirely Different issues: 1 ) whether Palin is personally CAPABLE of being a Good President ( the only Definitive job spec for a VP - the importance of which cannot be underestimated ) . . and . . 2 ) whether she SHOULD, given that she has chosen to put herself out there as the Poster Girl for Family Values & run for Vice President of the most Powerful ( AND demanding ) nation in the world - while also having made an earlier choice to be mother to 5 underage children ( the youngest of which is an infant with special needs & the oldest of which is in the rapids as an unwed expectant mother who still - apparently - needs the guidance of a mother of her own ) . . These are not " Mommy Wars ", if you are to ascribe to the Central Place the Republican Party has given Family Values in its platform - this is about the health & welfare of the entire country. How about stepping up tp the Plate. Ms Palin, and setting an example ? How about showing the country that the welfare of YOUR family takes precedance over your political aspirations - at least until your children are capable of managing on their own . . since THAT is something you ARE qualified to do !

  • Posted By: jaigd @ 09/03/2008 3:13:16 PM

    There are TWO Palin Issues - which are 2 Entirely Different issues: 1 ) whether Palin is personally CAPABLE of being a Good President ( the only Definitive job spec for a VP - the importance of which cannot be underestimated ) . . and . . 2 ) whether she SHOULD, given that she has chosen to put herself out there as the Poster Girl for Family Values & run for Vice President of the most Powerful ( AND demanding ) nation in the world - while also having made an earlier choice to be mother to 5 underage children ( the youngest of which is an infant with special needs & the oldest of which is in the rapids as an unwed expectant mother who still - apparently - needs the guidance of a mother of her own ) . . These are not " Mommy Wars ", if you are to ascribe to the Central Place the Republican Party has given Family Values in its platform - this is about the health & welfare of the entire country. How about stepping up tp the Plate. Ms Palin, and setting an example ? How about showing the country that the welfare of YOUR family takes precedance over your political aspirations - at least until your children are capable of managing on their own . . since THAT is something you ARE qualified to do !

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