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  • Posted By: penn @ 09/06/2008 11:02:37 AM

    if has the meaning in chinese is best

  • Posted By: iyark @ 09/05/2008 5:29:12 PM

    Fareed Zakeria type idiots are coming to US and corrupting US policies and business enviorment. Just wait for few more years when US population will realize that the biggest invasion happing in the US is not from the south of the border but from rat eating piss drinking india.

    Wake up Republicans these rat eating piss drinking people don't even assimilate in to US culture, forget mexicans deport all indians!!!!

    • Posted By: skeptikos @ 09/06/2008 2:08:26 AM

      What has this to do with the article on Kashmir?

  • Posted By: cjgermany @ 09/06/2008 12:31:32 AM

    It's sounds very patronizing of you to tell others who desire freedom that they shouldn't want it from a list of things that you don't explain where you got them from. The reader is left with the impression that "these are reasonable." How can you judge their experience? I'm not saying that secession is justified, just that your argument comes across as very patronizing. It sounds to me like you are trying to impose your agenda on their coices and desires.

  • Posted By: skeptikos @ 09/05/2008 10:14:52 PM

    An excellant article. Thanks Newsweek for putting such unbiassed and correct view of the situation in Kashmir.
    Is it possible for Kashmir to exist without being attached to the apron strings of one of the neithbours?

  • Posted By: iyark @ 09/05/2008 5:21:36 PM

    Has newsweek gone nuts!!! hiring hindu fanatics to write about kashmir? Here's an idea how about hire a KKK member to write about slavery.

    Kashmir banega PAKISTAN!!

    • Posted By: cyborg_001 @ 09/05/2008 7:47:20 PM

      Kashmir banega Pakistan? yeah and then what! convert a potential export n tourism goldmine into a terrorist camp haven! who'd want to go there then n get blown up?
      first save ur already present land from extremism n then add more..its not a free gift..n do u forget anti-Pak Buddhist ladakhis?
      n whats with d 'rat piss' crap..atleast we dont marry our cousins and convict rape victims!

  • Posted By: cyborg_001 @ 09/05/2008 7:38:06 PM

    and you have abusive and jealous Pakistanis like iyark who dont realise their nation is the biggest scum on this earth. Go home terrorist, save your country first!!

  • Posted By: iyark @ 09/03/2008 4:12:35 PM

    Its seems that newsweek is outsourcing journalist jobs to india. first that moron Fareed zakeria and now full indian call center in action.

    I am cancelling my subscription and going with TIME. You know i never agreed with Bill O"reilly but i guess he was right when he said newsweek is looney bin

    • Posted By: kg10 @ 09/05/2008 1:53:33 PM

      Subsrcibe to TIME or if you want, subscribe to the Taliban Times. Won't matter much anyways. It's only a matter of time before US jets carpet bomb the mud hut you live in. Lol, so ridiculous. Every day Pakis are getting bombed and the most that their Prime Minister can do is "protest strongly" and "warn the US"

      • Posted By: iyark @ 09/05/2008 5:26:09 PM

        Enter Your Commenti definately touched some soft nerve here, aren't you the same person who were begging for H1B visa outside my office yesterday?

        Clean world from rats! destroy india!

  • Posted By: iyark @ 09/05/2008 5:21:24 PM

    Has newsweek gone nuts!!! hiring hindu fanatics to write about kashmir? Here's an idea how about hire a KKK member to write about slavery.

    Kashmir banega PAKISTAN!!

  • Posted By: topcat2001 @ 09/03/2008 3:02:30 PM

    They have to hire Hindus because you Muslims are busy blowing yourselves up and killing innocents everywhere to do anything productive.

    • Posted By: hassana1 @ 09/03/2008 3:08:53 PM

      Topcat; that's quite humarous, did you pick that up on Fox news or did you think it up all by yourself? It would do you well to know that the first suicide bombers started from the Tamil who happen to be Hindus. Now go praise mother gita as you undrestand the history of suicide a bit more. Least you forget the monstrosity and horror the Gujrati's are capable of in the State of Gujrat. Guess you must've missed out on the stories of how they gutted pregnant women only to toss the fetus around something tells me that falls pretty close to someone blowing you up on the scale of crimes commited.

      • Posted By: kg10 @ 09/05/2008 1:58:35 PM

        What happened in Gujarat were riots. And in case you have followed news, there have been convictions. And quite a few cases are in courts as well.

        Besides, going by the body count, this year more people have died in Pakistan in different bombings, testament to the "humane" nature of the "religion of peace"

  • Posted By: iyark @ 09/03/2008 4:12:46 PM

    Has newsweek gone nuts!!! hiring hindu fanatics to write about kashmir? Here's an idea how about hire a KKK member to write about slavery.

    Kashmir banega PAKISTAN!!

    • Posted By: kg10 @ 09/05/2008 1:50:27 PM

      Yeah Right !!!!! Remember Bangladesh ??? That was supposed to be Pakistan too.

  • Posted By: meera1 @ 09/03/2008 5:48:58 PM

    This entire assumes that Kashmir is a part of India, that it is a state like any other Indian state. But that suggestion/assumption is erroneous because Kashmir is a disputed territory, not part of mainland India. Therefore, the secession of Kashmir is very different from the secession of any other state/part of a state. The Kashmiri people have never accepted the Indian government as their own. From the partition of India in 1947 till today the Indian government has tried to paint the picture that everything in Kashmir is 'okay', that the people living in the Kashmir valley do not really mind being a part of India- this is completely false. The Kashmiri people now, just like 60 years ago, want either independence or to join Pakistan. The reality is that India has never allowed a fair plebiscite that will decide the fate of Kashmir. I urge the writers of the article that same thing I would like to tell the Indian government: stop pretending like things aren't that bad. The Kashmiri people do not want to join India.

    • Posted By: kg10 @ 09/05/2008 1:47:51 PM

      By Kashmiri people whom do you refer to ??? Hindus Muslims and Buddhists are all part of Kashmir. Though a vast majority of the Hinuds have been driven out, they are Kashmiris too. And let me assure you that this minority, which was originally around 30% of the state, does not wish to join Muslim Pakistan, or be part of Independent Islamic Kashmir, but wish to be a part of Secular Democratic India. Kashmir was LEGALLY signed over to India during the partition, and India has given Kashmiris rights and privileges over and above those granted to most of it's other states. Kashmir has had democracy for more time than Pakistan has had it for. Nobody can force India to give up it's territory. Least of all a weak falied state like Pakistan, whose army can't prevent the Taliban from attacking it's cities at will, and assasinating it's most important leaders with ease.

  • Posted By: Hallihuduga @ 09/04/2008 12:40:49 AM

    I am a Hindu Indian. That does not stop me from believing that Kashmiries ( of both POK and Indian Kashmir) should be given a chance of self determination and deciding if they want to be independent or join PakI am a Hindu Indian. That does not stop me from believing that Kashmiries ( of both POK and Indian Kashmir) should be given a chance of self determination and deciding if they want to be independent or join Pakistan or join India. I still vividly remember a classmate (in a college in south India) of mine from Kashmir during 1980-84. he would always refer to his homeland as Kashmir and never as India. Would say things like.. Your India is soo developed! He would never relate well with even Indian Muslims. If some one does not believe he is an Indian in his heart no matter what force or delaying tactics you use he would never ever belong. What happens to them after a separation is their fate. When British were ruling India even they said things like white mans burden.. What would happen if we leave.. Indians can not rule themselves. What did we tell them? Why we get upset if Kashmiries tell us the same?
    I very strongly believe that Kasmiries are better of in India than in Pakistan or being independent. But I am not a Kashmiri!

    I very strongly believe that Kasmiries are better of in India than in Pakistan or being independent. But I am not a Kashmiri!

    • Posted By: kg10 @ 09/05/2008 1:40:13 PM

      What about the hundreds of thousands of Kashmiris who refer to India as "My India", and who have been driven out of Kashmir by Islamic hardliners just because they are Hindu ?? How do you propose we deal with that ?? Kashmiris stood silently by, and even condoned the violence as it's Hindus were ethnically cleansed. It is fitting that they suffer till the last Kashmiri pandit gets rehabilitated, BACK IN KASHMIR !!!

  • Posted By: lahorijerry @ 09/04/2008 2:24:49 AM

    amazingly biased and presumptious article. no talk of UN resolutions or Nehrus promise of holding a plebicite. brushing aside the number of people killed.but to be honest if i was in the shoes of the authors id write the same way.

    • Posted By: kg10 @ 09/05/2008 1:36:49 PM

      Nehru promised a plebiscite over ENTIRE KASHMIR and not a part of it (i.e. Indian Kashmir). Besides, the ethnic cleansing of Kashmir's hindus over the past few years has altered the demographic balance of the region. India and the World community both accept that the plebiscite is no longer valid.

      Don't complain of the number of people killed. Islamic mercenaries have resulted in deaths all over the world. I bet Pakistanis sympathized with Bin Laden more than the US even after the WTC attacks ( they certainly do so now).

      Indian Kashmir is far better off than Pakistan Occupied Kashmir, and much freer than PoK as well as that dysfunctional geographic entity called Pakistan. Dont take my word for it, visit the official site of freedomhouse international, and see how they classify Indian Kashmir as 'Partly Free' and Pak as 'Not Free'

  • Posted By: Kuksha @ 09/05/2008 10:39:22 AM

    The USA persistently dismembered Serbia. The first recognised Kosovo. Hide the information across Ossetia. The USA it is possible for the all-rests only with the consent of god-US president. In the USA demonstrators have dispersed - "democratic" methods: tear gas. God relieve us of American "democracy"!

  • Posted By: Ad_Hawk @ 09/03/2008 11:34:41 PM

    India is a democracy only for the Brahmins. Muslims, Untouchables and Christians face the worst kind of discrimination imaginable. Google 'Sachar Report' for more details.

    • Posted By: engti @ 09/05/2008 9:03:06 AM

      I am a Christian living in India. And I consider myself lucky for that.

      Yeah, not everybody is so lucky, but hard work and ingenuity will get you everywhere out here.

      If you want to act like a victim, then I'm sorry nobody can help you.

  • Posted By: engti @ 09/05/2008 8:58:15 AM

    @ Don't Tread on Me: Sure, your founding fathers made a great commitment to self-government and self-determination by eradicating 95% of the Native Americans, and corralling them like horses into reservations. Way to go.

  • Posted By: engti @ 09/05/2008 8:56:50 AM

    @ Don't Tread on Me: Sure your founding fathers made a great commitment for self-determination and self-government by killing about 95% of the Native Americans and corralling them like horses into reservations.

  • Posted By: System7 @ 09/05/2008 8:46:29 AM

    Russia's moves in S.Ossetia and Abkhazia are less important than the moves of the USA in Kosovo. Only Russia and weak Nicaragua recognized S.Ossetia and Abkhazia but 40 countries recognized Kosovo after the powerful USA. Even Russia refers to Kosovo and the USA in speeches about S.Ossetia and Abkhazia. So the current stream of secession has origins in the USA. Who wants to follow Russia except Nicaragua? I don't know. The USA gave new real power to secession.

  • Posted By: bispectralman @ 09/05/2008 5:00:31 AM

    all these people writing here make no mention of Hindus & Buddhists, and indeed muslims who live in Jammu, Poonch, Ladakh and other parts of Jammu & Kashmir---nobody takes into account OUR wishes of staying in the Indian Republic---this is because the extremist's clamour from Srinagar drowns out the other voices here. Certainly we would like to remain part of India (a burgeoning economic tiger) rather than be swallowed up by a failed terrorist state (Pakistan) that is itself imploding.

  • Posted By: Don't Tread on Me @ 09/04/2008 3:49:28 PM

    As with the recent political huff in this country against Russia over the South Ossetia situation, it seems we Americans, in our growing commitment to empire-building and nationalism, have forgotten our founders' struggle with an oppressive parent nation over the rights of the people to self-determination and self-government. If nations' territorial and economic greed did not rule this world the people of South Ossetia and Kashmir could live in peace.

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