McCain's Tricky Calculation

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  • Posted By: choff01 @ 09/04/2008 7:12:09 PM

    Hello, person (whoever you think you are of any significance), Obama is running for President and Palin is the VP candidate. There is not "Obama vs. Palin". I can't wait to see how she takes on Joe Biden, the old school, run of the mill, good ole boy, Washington Dem. You need to get a real life, instead of getting paid (wow, you do?) to write crap like this. Get a real job, dude.

  • Posted By: Russ T @ 09/04/2008 6:53:20 PM

    Gee Jonathan...Do you mean "tough minded reporters" like yourself? Don't hold your breath. There's no reason to acknowledge the majority of the 'main stream' press any longer. You all have made your sympathies very clear over the last 19 months. There is no point to the exercise other than to make you self important media types feel better about yourselves at DC cocktail parties.

  • Posted By: sunoverla @ 09/04/2008 6:42:58 PM

    alter: boo hoo, sniff, sniff. barack thoushallnotsayhismiddlename obama gets gutted.
    As your fellow pundit Chris "thrill up the leg" Matthews says, HA!
    As an in the tank cultist for the false prophet, you no longer have an credibilty as a journalist.

  • Posted By: grej @ 09/04/2008 6:19:50 PM

    "Also, Palin is under two ethics violation investigations for abuse of power in Alaska. Sound familiar??? maybe that arrest might be sooner than we think." Posted By: uuforyou

    Sound familiar? Yes it does-just like the CLINTONS

  • Posted By: WhatIsReallyGoingOn @ 09/04/2008 6:10:24 PM

    melody51...you sound just as contradictory as the Republican Party's campaign speeches!! I would stay away from the "making decisions for my family" issue because you are obviously a little ignorant on the subject of POLITICS! BEFORE there was this media buzz about Palin experience, did you FORGET that Obama name could not be mentioned without inexperience?! No disrespect to the Native Americans or Indians, but Palin must be sharing a LOT of drinks with her fellow Alaskans if she thinks her resume is better than Biden's or Obama's! What a waste of time during this campaign! The Republican campaign is geared at older individuals who are SET in their ways....take it as you may!

  • Posted By: hawks96 @ 09/04/2008 5:26:38 PM

    Is this Alter's April Fool's column come early? When exactly has the media been tough on Obama? ALter and Newsweek have been among his biggest cheerleaders! Palin has faced more scrutiny in the last week than Obama has in this entire campaign. Obama is fluent in national affairs? How about not knowing that the Afghanis don't speak Arabic? Or that he's NOT on the Senate Banking Committee- as he told journalists in Sderot?! Or that he can't explain why lowering th capital gains tax leads to increased tax revenue- for that matter, he's unaware of past history on the subject. How about his comments that the surge would fail, and his inability to previously ackowledge the success it's had and give the credit to the troops?! Never mind other topics "above his pay grade". Alter is a joke- he may call himself a journalist, but he's an advocate, pure and simple. The idea that Obama's been scrutinized and Palin will somehow duck the media. I suspect that after last night's speech, you're going to see a lot more of Palin discussing campaign topics freely- something Obama still doesn't do without interview preconditions (ironically, the only time he'll set preconditions for a meeting).

    • Posted By: edhornyak @ 09/04/2008 6:05:55 PM

      The media is afraid to scrutinize Obama. We don't know his college records, but his graduation information lists him only as a student; not an honor graduate. How'd he get into Harvard? Affirmative action? That's for people who don't qualify, but they're admitted only because of their color. In the Illinois legistature he never voted on anything controversial by voting 'present' on tough issues. He did head up the Annenberg Challenge, I think it was called for Bill Ayers, in which they blew $1.2 million in a couple years with no discernible results. Is that the exectuive experience the dems speak of? It's all he has. The guy's a straw man, an empty suit with a glib tongue who's very good at reading speeches written by others, but as we saw at the Brokeback Church debate forum that he has a very hard time giving a straight answer to questions if there's no teleprompter to tell him what to say. I've never seen so many uhhh's.....in on sentence. The dems constantly put these pathetic guys out there (Kerry, Gore, etc.) and then they don't understand why they can't get elected. I suspect Obama will simply join that long list of also-ran's. No depath, no character; just all show. Can't you just see this guy sitting down across from Putin, the former head of the KGB? Now that's a scary thought.

  • Posted By: pammygamherst @ 09/04/2008 5:25:36 PM

    thank you jonathan for stating the obvious. this woman is all fluff and no substance. of course they'll shield her from hard-hitting reporters because she wouldn't know how to answer a question regarding anything resembling foreign policy, the economy, education, etc.

    and to melody51. i am not an elitist liberal. good for you you're pro-life - i'm pro-choice. and liberals don't try to tell you how to live your life - you have it backwards. it's you neocon bible toting nuts who think you can perpetrate your narrow-minded beliefs on the rest of us. take abortion - that is an ideological belief if you don't believe abortion should be made available to women. that is MY choice, honey, not your's so i don't care what YOUR opinions are about my choices. and you shouldn't use the government to ram your beliefs down our throats. that's why i don't attend church. i am a very spiritual person but organized religion...please. if a person doesn't meet the narrowly defined parameters as set forth by YOU then that person isn't accepted or they are welcomed into your church but you're going to "change" them to be more like yourself. what church do you attend - thomas road baptist church?

    • Posted By: Mike Kilo @ 09/04/2008 6:02:22 PM

      >>you neocon bible toting nuts<<

      Again. Liberals say they're all about "tolerance", "compassion" and "diversity". Then they go stright to the name-calling and invective when their arguments fail. Talking about "Bible-toting nuts", by the way, what would you call Obama's pastor? Not necessarily saying he's a nut. Just want to hear you defend him. So I can watch yet another liberal wallowing in their own cognitive dissonance.

    • Posted By: Mike Kilo @ 09/04/2008 5:54:18 PM

      >>liberals don't try to tell you how to live your life<<

      To the contrary. Liberalism is ALL ABOUT the regulation of literally EVERY aspect of our public and private lives. Liberals want to regulate what we eat, what we drink, what we buy and how we buy it, who we hire, who we fire, what we say and how and where we say it, who we associate with, how we educate our children, where we educate our children, how we worship, where we worship, how we pray, what we pray, where we pray . . . and that's just a random list I put together in no particular order or priority. There's really no end to it.

      Honestly. Name ONE aspect of our lives that liberals DON'T want to control or influence. And don't say "sex". Liberals are ALL OVER matters of human sexuality through a pervasive program of sex education in the public schools, encouragement of their view of sexuality through distribution of abortion services and birth control, "sensitivity" training in the workplace, etc.

      It's amazing how much cognitive dissonance liberals lives with.

  • Posted By: uuforyou @ 09/04/2008 5:50:51 PM

    Now, on to a couple serious things. Palin is a traitor. I don't mean that as an insult, its a fact. We should be arresting her, not voting for her.
    She thinks Alaska should secede from the union....you know, the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. She is a member of the ANTI-AMERICAN Alaska Independence Party(AIP) that advocates secession and that Alaska is illegally a state. Palin is the ultimate in unpatriotic. In contrast to McCain, their slogan is "Alaska first-Alaska Always". Hmmm?

    Also, Palin is under two ethics violation investigations for abuse of power in Alaska. Sound familiar??? maybe that arrest might be sooner than we think.

    BTW, Palins speech was written by a BUSH speech writer....McSame speech writer, McSame speech.

    www.impalin.com

  • Posted By: WhatIsReallyGoingOn @ 09/04/2008 5:47:39 PM

    And...neither Palin nor McCain are any where CLOSE to Bill Clinton!!! Scandal and ALL...he knows how to do his JOB!!!!

  • Posted By: WhatIsReallyGoingOn @ 09/04/2008 5:44:38 PM

    I LOVE this article because it is VERY true! Palin and McCain are hypocracy at its best!!! McCain was a POW...SO WHAT! In his 25 years as a Senator and all, what BIG CHANGE did he bring to Washington or the U.S.? Heck...his own hometown for that matter!! He wants to convince those people that it is RIGHT to vote for HIM because of that simple fact. He is 72!!!!!!!!! Why is he soooo READY now to be commander in chief?! What has changed about HIM in the past 25 years that concurs with his decision? NOTHING!!!!
    Palin is just a WOMAN from a SMALL town, who governed a SMALL population of people for a SHORT amount of time, has FIVE children, can be a bit too sarcastic, and knows how to SAY what people want to HEAR at a moment in time! What makes her different than my next day neighbor in my hometown who didn't even graduate from HIGH SCHOOL! Be honest with yourself, Palin/McCain supporters. This is sooo far from right! They are going into this campaign with an I HOPE mentality and they HOPE that people will some how sympathetically VOTE for them!! They disgust me!!!

  • Posted By: Mariee123 @ 09/04/2008 5:42:31 PM

    The Republican Rovian tactic is to call a circle a square with a straight face and scream foul if anyone dares call them out on it. It makes me sick to my stomach.

  • Posted By: grej @ 09/04/2008 5:42:14 PM

    Let's see.. Governor from a small state that begins with "A"
    history of of having to deal with scandals.

    Is this person qualified?

    Hey, wait....Bill Clinton didn't do so bad after all.

    (I bet you Dems thought I was taliking about Sarah, didn't you?)

  • Posted By: y585 @ 09/04/2008 5:42:12 PM

    I've just completed some research on pit bulls - here's what I found out:

    These dogs were used in battle and for guarding, but they also served utilitarian purposes, such as farm work. Specifically, these dogs accompanied farmers into the fields to assist with bringing bulls in for breeding, castration, or slaughter. The dogs, known generally as bulldogs, protected the farmer by subduing the bull if it attempted to gore him. Typically a dog would do this by biting the bull on the nose and holding on to the violently struggling bull despite injury. These traits permitted the development and rise of the bloody sports of bull-baiting and bear-baiting. In Elizabethan England, these spectacles were popular forms of entertainment, comparable to Shakespearean plays which often took place right next to the bearbaiting pits in Southwark. However, in 1835, bull-baiting and bear-baiting were abolished by Parliament as cruel, and the custom died out over the following years.

    Now when you realy think about it, dogs are taught to be obedient to their masters, to do what their master commands them to do. If a master is being attacked, that master doesn't place him/herself in front of the dog. No.....the dog goes out in front and faces the danger. In many cases dogs receive the 'harm' that would have come upon the master.

    Why has Gov. Palin allowed herself to be offered up like this? She has done the 'dirty work' - now tonight McCain it is said will not be so 'vicious' - Perhaps the other options from which McCain had to choose would not have done what she did - and maybe that's why they were not selected (and this has nothing to do with the fact that she is a woman!!!!!)

    This candidate performed the 'pit bull' task well last night - the attack dog...making sure that the way would be clear for McCain's 'softer' touch tonight. But oh....at what price?

    I've also just noticed that they have changed the stage for McCain's speech tonight to one that is more of a 'Town Hall' setting - to make McCain more comfortable. And this is someone who wants to represent the United States of America in an international forum. If he cannot speak in front of crowd of his own people, his own party supporters - how will he be able to speak up in front of crowds as president? Will his aides always have to run ahead of him and make sure that for every appearance the stage is set in the format of a 'Town Hall' meeting?

  • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 09/04/2008 5:40:48 PM

    Taking a look around at the status of everything quickly confirms that any more of the same will just be a disaster. Senator McCain and Gov Palin state that they are for change, recognizing people really want change, and for a government that is for the people, yet can we believe what they say? The Republican Party is simply not what it was 20 years ago; it has been constantly sliding downhill ever since Ronald Reagan and has really hit the pits as it strongly and belligerently supports an arrogant and irresponsible Bush-Cheney administration totally focused on Special Interests, a select few and themselves. The last eight years have proven that we can???t believe whenever the Republican Party promises any concern for the people, we need real sincerity that they fail to give. All of that is readily seen when rationally checking most anything to objectively understand what was said, who really benefited and what it actually cost America. Can McCain-Palin turn that around? Are they sincere when expressing an interest to do so? Without dwelling just on Sarah Palin???s questionable qualifications and her extremes let???s consider the efforts to sell John McCain as a Maverick who supposedly thinks for himself. We know of and respect him for his heroism but being a POW just isn???t a qualification to be president. When observing, for one thing, that he gave up his own pick for Vice President to instead pick a nominee who was acceptable to the (pseudo-) conservative powers, that in itself is a clear indication that he accepts he is subordinate to them. That action neither represents a Maverick nor an independent thinker, instead it totally equates to just more of the same ??? just another puppet for Special Interests and a select few, who would then again dishonestly give the people only apathy, the costs and more subterfuge! Not what we need.

  • Posted By: ssquared @ 09/04/2008 5:31:59 PM

    I predict Obama will dump Biden for Hillary

  • Posted By: ziaislam @ 09/04/2008 1:59:26 PM

    Palin has become an instant celebrity. She is a MUCH MUCH bigger celebrity than Obama. It is a shame that in this country of 300 million people, GOP could only have this moronic person as a VP. Here is why she
    is an abomination to society:

    1. She is a traitor. Watch her address to Alaska Independence Party which wants independence from USA. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI
    2. Palin painted the current war in Iraq as a messianic affair(What!!?!) in which the United States could act out the will of the Lord. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02 /palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html
    3. Palin said she is for limited Government, but she increased the size of the City of Wasilla payroll by hiring a CIty Manager as SHE WAS INCOMPETENT TO RUN IT ON HER OWN. Her predecessors did not need
    anyone to run the city.
    4. She said she will change Washignton. Well, she hired Jack Abramoff's firm to lobby for the city. For a city of 6000, she could get ear-marks for $27 million!!
    5. She said she will cut cost, well she ran her city to debt when she left
    6. She has a pregnant 17 y/o daughter who has CHOSEN to keep the baby. But as she is ADAMENT TO REVERSE ROW V WADE, she DOES NOT WANT THE CHOICE FOR MY DAUGHTER. GOVERNMENT WILL IMPOSE IT ON HER THAT SHE KEEPS THE BABY OR GO TO JAIL.
    7. She has a baby with down syndrome, BUT SHE CUT THE SPECIAL EDUCATION BUDGET for Alaska. I guess she did not know tha GOD WILL PUNISH HER THIS WAY.
    8. SHE IS WRONG IN EVERY WAY for America. Last night, she did not utter a SINGLE WORD ON ECONOMY and HOW WE WILL GET OUT OF THIS ECONOMIC MESS.

    • Posted By: Deus_Ex @ 09/04/2008 2:05:38 PM

      Amazing how the GOP forgot to mention those facts.

      • Posted By: philmon @ 09/04/2008 3:10:36 PM

        1) Ok. I watched it. How does that make her a traitor? She addressed, as a Repubican Governor, a legitimately registered political party in her state. Nowhere did she argue for Alaskan Independence from the United States.

        2) Palin engaged in a prayer that we are doing the right thing in Iraq, not saying that God sent us into Iraq. It was an act of humility, not a "Messianic affair". For "Messianic", see Barack Obama and his greek temple ;-)

        3) Palin is for limited government. Not for no government. I think she more than paid for a city manager by getting rid of the jet and the cook and whatever other government waste she got rid of -- plus, how do you know the city isn't run better with a city manager? Other cities have city managers. Perhaps it's more efficient.

        4) Would she hire Jack Abramoff today? I doubt it.

        5) Did she really? Why did she? What did she spend the money on? Was it wasteful?

        6) She's adamantly against abortion, which means she doesn't view killing unborn babies as a choice any more than you chosing to kill or not to kill your neighbor is a choice. I chose not to kill my neighbor and yet I refuse to give your daughter the choice to kill your neighbor. I'm not following. Besides, 1) A VP can't overturn R v Wade, and 2) even if it were overturned, states would then have the right to regulate -- or not regulate abortion. They wouldnt' suddenly become illegal.

        7) She obviously loves her baby and felt that there was too much money going to special education in Alaska. Cutting a budget doesn't mean something isn't important. It might mean too much money was going to that interest. I'm pretty sure there is still a special education budget in Alaska, and children with special needs are still being educated.

        8) She's not wrong for the America I live in. She's just what the doctor ordered.

      • Posted By: philmon @ 09/04/2008 3:15:59 PM

        >> Last night, she did not utter a SINGLE WORD ON ECONOMY and HOW WE WILL GET OUT OF THIS ECONOMIC MESS.

        Really? She didn't say anything about minimizing taxes to allow American business to grow, expand the economy, and create new jobs? Nothing at all?

        I think she did. And it was, after all, a nomination acceptance speech that lasted barely 30 minutes.

        Obama, outside of "Hoping" our way out of it -- his economic plan is to tax american business more, taking money from productive people and ... I guess creating jobs outside of the market (government jobs?). Of course, it's been shown again and again -- raising taxes on business reduces the amount of tax revenue you collect. It reduces growth. Socialism has been tried. It's not compatible with human nature.

        • Posted By: philmon @ 09/04/2008 4:00:07 PM

          Cut the special education budget, did she. Under what definition does "cutting the budget" triple the amount of money you bring in?

          http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/09/newest_palin_smear_she_cut_spe.asp

      • Posted By: Lora1234 @ 09/04/2008 2:45:49 PM

        Does anyone really thing that the VP has any power to overturn Roe v Wade? Do you guys know anything about law? The last thing to worry about here is the overturning of Roe v Wade. We need to focus on the Obama Tax and Spend plan and how his tax plan will ruin small businesses in this country. How many of you work for or own small businesses. THAT is what you need to beware of. BIG government. And by the way, mayors typically have a city manager.....delegation is part of leadership. But some of you would not know this. Liberals, wake up.

  • Posted By: Deus_Ex @ 09/04/2008 1:06:47 PM

    Comment: Your argument is ridiculous, Obama's experience on foreign policy doesn't extend beyond the podium. He has done absolutely nothing internationally and his domestic experience is equally thin. Why do you think a few town hall meetings qualifies him to lead?? Palin at least has executive experience, as mayor and governor, by count, that's a total of 10yrs so far... Obama on the other hand has been a senator since 05 and started campaigning for presidency in 06, that certainly shows a lot of audacity and hope...


    Posted By: Deus_Ex @ 09/04/2008 13:01:58

    Comment: Le's pick this garbage apart shall we.

    "Comment: Your argument is ridiculous, Obama's experience on foreign policy doesn't extend beyond the podium."

    Obama sits on the foreign relations committe and was instrumental in the nuclear proliferations bill. He is also chairman of the Foreign Relations Sub committee on European Affairs. So get your facts straight.

    "He has done absolutely nothing internationally and his domestic experience is equally thin."

    Considering the hundreds of co-sponsored bills he has signed onto yeah his experience is really thin huh:? When you will you morons put down your republicans bibles and start researching actual facts!!!!


    "Why do you think a few town hall meetings qualifies him to lead??"

    The same can be said about both McCain and Palin. What makes them qualified to lead as well? Unlike those two, Obama has judgment and surrounds himself with advisors that are experts in their respective fields. A real leader analyzes his strengths and weaknesses and seeks advice, which is more than we can say about McCain and Bush.

    "Palin at least has executive experience, as mayor and governor, by count, that's a total of 10yrs so far..."

    Acutally you're wrong, Palin does not have 10 years executive experience. She was city councilor for four of those ten and was mayor for six before becoming governor. But again, being mayor of a town that would sit comfortably in the property limits of Walt Disney World doesn't qualify you as a person ready to be POTUS. In Fact Disney World has more people living there than Wasilla and it's economy also dwarfs that town, so does that make those executives of Walt Disney World Resorts qualified to be POTUS?

    "Obama on the other hand has been a senator since 05 and started campaigning for presidency in 06, that certainly shows a lot of audacity and hope.."

    Count it up my friend, that is more than 12 years of legislative experience. In Addition the man graduated from the world's best law school and was President of Harvard Law Review. He also built from the ground up the single largest political grassroots organization in the history of the country. An organization that has raised half a billion in less than 17 months. 18 million people voted for this man and 36 million currently support him, with over 2 million donated to his cause. Yeah that surely is a lot of hope.

    • Posted By: Mike Kilo @ 09/04/2008 1:24:56 PM

      >>Obama sits on the foreign relations committe and was instrumental in the nuclear proliferations bill. He is also chairman of the Foreign Relations Sub committee on European Affairs.<<

      Wow. So he's on a couple of committees? Big deal. Everyone in Congress is on a committee. And, like, being on a committeecompares to being President of the United States. In any event, he's been too busy campaigning to actually do any real work as a U.S. Senator.

      And, so he co-sponsored "hundreds of bill"? So? Every congressman co-sponsors hundreds of bills. It's as easy to co-sponsor a bill as it to post hundreds of messages to this forum.

      You guys in the Obama camp are really straining. I love it.

      • Posted By: Deus_Ex @ 09/04/2008 1:32:54 PM

        These Republican clowns never cease to amaze me.

        "Wow. So he's on a couple of committees? Big deal. Everyone in Congress is on a committee. And, like, being on a committeecompares to being President of the United States. In any event, he's been too busy campaigning to actually do any real work as a U.S. Senator."

        It's important to note numbskull that McCain has the worst attendance record of any senator over the past 2 years. Many of the bills he claims to have supported or voted against, he wasn't even there to vote for them because he too was busy campaigning. Amazing how you seemed to forget that.

        And, so he co-sponsored "hundreds of bill"? So? Every congressman co-sponsors hundreds of bills. It's as easy to co-sponsor a bill as it to post hundreds of messages to this forum.

        The fact is, he does his job and has reached across the aisle to get things done in Washington. As a state legislator he authored many bills that helped low income families in Illinois and has worked to help curb police corruption in that state. He also serves on the ethics committee and has drafted bills that regulated washington lobbyists. Again, when you Republicans can debate on facts come back and we'll have a real debate, until then, go back to school and educate yourself.

        "You guys in the Obama camp are really straining. I love it."

        You morons in the GOP camp never cease to amaze us on how uneducated an misinformed you can be.

        • Posted By: Mike Kilo @ 09/04/2008 5:25:22 PM

          >>These Republican clowns never cease to amaze me.<<

          Ah, yes. Liberals like yourself love to preach tolerance and compassion. But then go right to the cheap-shots and name-calling when their arguments fail.

          >>It's important to note numbskull that McCain has the worst attendance record of any senator over the past 2 years. Many of the bills he claims to have supported or voted against, he wasn't even there to vote for them because he too was busy campaigning. Amazing how you seemed to forget that.<<

          "Numbskull?" There you go again. By the way, I didn't forget anything. ALL Obama has done as a Senator is campaign for President. McCain has been U.S. Congressman and then U.S. Senator for over 25 years.

          >>As a state legislator he worked to help curb police corruption in that state. He also serves on the ethics committee and has drafted bills that regulated washington lobbyists.<<

          Great. Obama's helped keep criminals safe from the police. And wrote some bills regulating lobbyists. Were any of those bills aimed at regulating lobbyists like Tony Rezko, one who worked a sweet-heart real estate deal for Obama? Or the below-market loan he got from Angelo Mozilo?

          >>Again, when you Republicans can debate on facts come back and we'll have a real debate, until then, go back to school and educate yourself.<<

          The fact? You liberal can't HANDLE the fact. That's why you resort to invective.

          >>You morons in the GOP camp never cease to amaze us on how uneducated an misinformed you can be.<<

          You just made my point. Again. Case closed.

  • Posted By: andreawenson @ 09/04/2008 5:19:08 PM

    McCain's spin team wants us to believe that Gov. Palin is tough enough, smart enough and experienced enough to be the leader the U.S., while at the same time, the campaign fears that Palin isn't smart enough, tough enough or experienced enough to face questions from the public- without a script! Americans, it's time to wake up. We've done average Joe before with G.W., and look where that got us. Having the "average hockey mom" for vice president and potential president may make a funny movie subject, but in real life that's a scary risk we can't afford.

  • Posted By: andreawenson @ 09/04/2008 5:18:39 PM

    McCain's spin team wants us to believe that Gov. Palin is tough enough, smart enough and experienced enough to be the leader the U.S., while at the same time, the campaign fears that Palin isn't smart enough, tough enough or experienced enough to face questions from the public- without a script! Americans, it's time to wake up. We've done average Joe before with G.W., and look where that got us. Having the "average hockey mom" for vice president and potential president may make a funny movie subject, but in real life that's a scary risk we can't afford.

  • Posted By: tom faranda @ 09/04/2008 5:02:42 PM

    Jonathan, as a fellow mantle cell survivor, & occasional follower of your column, I must say this is the 2nd worst, silliest, dumbest column you've written, topped only by your fist column attacking Palin.

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