McCain's Tricky Calculation

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  • Posted By: melody51 @ 09/04/2008 4:52:25 PM

    Alter begins his sentence "Even many Republicans believe..." The problem is that libs and Dems really don't even begin to understand what Republican conservatives believe. They just don't get it and that's why they're running scared. Governor Palin said what I've always wanted to say to the elitist left wing media and the arrogant liberals who think they can make decisions for my family better than I can. I don't care about your opinions of what I think, how I look, how I raise my children, etc. I am a 51 year old gun owning, pro-life, college educated wife and mother who doesn't need my life and values validated by the media or politicians. Apparently Governor Palin doesn't either.

    • Posted By: Mariee123 @ 09/04/2008 5:01:41 PM

      That's the point exactly. The freedom to make your own choice for your family. I respect Governor Palin's choices. What I do NOT respect is her desire to make MY choices for me. Do NOT tell me what god to follow, what book to read, what reproductive and educational decisions to make for myself and my family. How dare she?

  • Posted By: Deus_Ex @ 09/04/2008 12:27:14 PM

    Posted By: ldap23 @ 09/04/2008 12:13:36 PM

    Comment: Its also funny that Dems are ripping on her being the governor over a small population state and not having any foreign policy experience. . .ever hear of a governor from a back-country little state called Arkansas?


    Posted By: Deus_Ex @ 09/04/2008 12:21:43

    Comment: Yeah that governor's state become first in the nation in economic, job creation and health care coverage for it's citizens. That governor's state also had one of the highest averages in education.

    That governor from no where lead this nation with an economic policy that created 22 million jobs, reduced the national debt and created a 555 billion dollar surplus. That governor was President William Jefferson Clinton and unlike you republicans, he placed people in his cabinet who understood foreign policy, energy policy and fiscal discipline.

    Now compare that to Sarah Palin's record of deficits, high uninsured, and terrible educational standards, and it is no contest.

    Next time you want to debate come with facts and not GOP slander.

    • Posted By: Deus_Ex @ 09/04/2008 12:33:42 PM

      When are you going to address the issue and stop being a troll?

      • Posted By: ldap23 @ 09/04/2008 4:51:24 PM

        Sorry man, I have a job, I can't spend ALL day sitting around waiting to respond to you. And seriously, calling people trolls? Could you act any more juvenile?

    • Posted By: ldap23 @ 09/04/2008 4:45:25 PM

      The comment had everything to do with the claim that she had no foreign policy experience and therefore wasn't ready to be VP . . .next time read my post before you write something stupid about it.

      Secondly, talking about all the stuff Clinton did as president, especially getting experienced people to help him only further validates my point in showing that you don't necessarily have to be extremely exerienced in foreign affairs to be capable in that arena. That being said, I would prefer someone with more knowledge and background. And by the way, I never said I liked the woman or would vote for her, but I do take issue with the article's slant and bias.

    • Posted By: retired @ 09/04/2008 12:55:28 PM

      That governor was a Rhoads scholar.

  • Posted By: Mariee123 @ 09/04/2008 4:49:10 PM

    The Palin pick is condescending, irresponsible, and dangerous political pandering. Forgive me if I am not excited about a small town, book banning, religious zealot who describes herself as a pitbull in lipstick. This country has had enough divisiveness. It's not red America or blue America. It's the United States of America. Don't we have enough enemies overseas? The only positive thing that emerged from the tragedy of 9/11 was the unity we experienced. George Bush and the Republicans have done everything possible to tear us apart and alienate us from the world. Palin is more of the same.

  • Posted By: Deus_Ex @ 09/04/2008 12:23:38 PM

    I AM REPOSTING THIS SO THE POSTER CAN ANSWER MY REFUTATION.

    Posted By: ldap23 @ 09/04/2008 12:13:36 PM"

    Comment: Its also funny that Dems are ripping on her being the governor over a small population state and not having any foreign policy experience. . .ever hear of a governor from a back-country little state called Arkansas?


    Posted By: Deus_Ex @ 09/04/2008 12:21:43

    Comment: Yeah that governor's state become first in the nation in economic, job creation and health care coverage for it's citizens. That governor's state also had one of the highest averages in education.

    That governor from no where lead this nation with an economic policy that created 22 million jobs, reduced the national debt and created a 555 billion dollar surplus. That governor was President William Jefferson Clinton and unlike you republicans, he placed people in his cabinet who understood foreign policy, energy policy and fiscal discipline.

    Now compare that to Sarah Palin's record of deficits, high uninsured, and terrible educational standards, and it is no contest.

    Next time you want to debate come with facts and not GOP slander.

    • Posted By: ldap23 @ 09/04/2008 4:34:50 PM

      Secondly, talking about all the stuff Clinton did as president, especially getting experienced people to help him only further validates my point in showing that you don't necessarily have to be extremely exerienced in foreign affairs to be capable in that arena. That being said, I would prefer someone with more knowledge and background. And by the way, I never said I liked the woman or would vote for her, but I do take issue with the article's slant and bias.

    • Posted By: ldap23 @ 09/04/2008 4:29:01 PM

      The comment had everything to do with the claim that she wasn't ready to lead the country because she had no foreign policy experience . . .next time read my post before you post something stupid about it.

  • Posted By: chasepartyof4 @ 09/04/2008 4:34:23 PM

    This article is clearly written by a biased Democrat. Why can't these articles be written without a slant?!! Personally, I dismiss slanted commentaries. Slamming Palin's qualifications is ignorant. The ignorant choose to see what they want to see in hopes that if they just believe hard enough - their mirages will somehow become real.

  • Posted By: chasepartyof4 @ 09/04/2008 4:25:02 PM

    This article is clearly written by a biased Democrat. Why can't these articles be written without a slant?!! Personally, I dismiss slanted commentaries. Slamming Palin's qualifications is ignorant. The ignorant choose to see what they want to see in hopes that if they just believe hard enough - their mirages will somehow become real.

  • Posted By: arkay @ 09/04/2008 4:04:31 PM

    Mr. Alter; How many of those 18 million votes were gievn for one reason only; he was born of a black parent. With 96% of the black vote going for him can there be any other reason?

  • Posted By: philmon @ 09/04/2008 2:48:15 PM

    Let's see, I'm for McCain, and I have a college education. Most of my friends have college educations and they're for McCain. And college education has nothing to do with intelligence anyway, I (with mine under my belt) am fully willing (and proud) to admit.

    The experience argument with Palin isn't so much that Palin has a lot of experience -- it's really more of a counter to the argument the Obama people have put out against her. If you really think Palin doesn't have enough experience to be Vice President, how can you possibly think that Obama has enough to be President? Obama has run NOTHING. Obama has done NOTHING. Except, as Palin's speech pointed out, write two memoirs and give speeches filled with soaring rhetoric with all the substance of cotton candy.

    If all we're talking about is experience, McCain wins hands down.

    • Posted By: harvey74 @ 09/04/2008 3:29:37 PM

      You criticize speeches, yet your research has obviously stopped at the incomplete and inaccurate Republican speeches. "NOTHING" is pretty loaded and the use of the word kills your entire argument. People shouldn't take a stand to the point that they are too close minded to see ANY side of it.

      • Posted By: philmon @ 09/04/2008 3:55:28 PM

        I get it. I use the word "NOTHING", therefore I am wrong. When you have no valid response, chose a detail you don't like and dismiss the whole argument. You COULD counter with a list of significant things he has done, or even mention one or two. But that's not what you did, is it?

        I've done far more research than you would believe.

  • Posted By: bobmac15 @ 09/04/2008 1:32:55 PM

    Mr. Alter, do you similarly beleive it is up to you, and the press, to examine Mr. Obama? What about the numerous reports of frustration from your brethern for Mr. Obama not making himself available for interviews and questioning during these wonderful 15 months of running for President.? what kind of follow-ups and digging have you undertaken on him? where was your exhaustive interview of him re: Jeremiah Wright's comments? Oh, I guess his one short press conference weeks later, no questions please, is sufficient. Or questioning him about Wiilaim Ayers? how many people does Newsweek have in Chicago now looking at newly released dopcs on Mr. Ayers/ Mr. Obama's relationship? As a comparison, how many do they have in Alaska? How many questions habve you asked Mr. Obama about his direct attempts to censor an intereview with the journalist who reviewed the Ayers files? how many questions have you asked Mr. Obama about his wife's comments - Oh, I forgot, those comments are all off base, and to that request you comply,, but any similar request by Mr. McCain is viewed with deep ridicule and skepticism.

    So Mr. Alter, I appreciate you have taken upon yourself the role of annoiiting and burying candidates, but please do it for both sides. Equally. If Mr. Obama's prime qualiification for President and executive exprerience is the long and expensive campaign he has run, then certainly shouldn't you have asked him just a few digging questions during and about his 15 months of comments, positions, qualifications? Aftre 8Newsweek cover stories, I would think a little digging in additon to the PR would happen, but i guess you've both been very busy.

    • Posted By: AskPlus @ 09/04/2008 1:41:09 PM

      All of those things have been questioned to death to, for and against Mr. Obama, and it's all good. Need new stuff. But there probably isn't anything as good as HS drop out kids, drunks, corruption, teen pregnancy, super-right religious bullies and Big Oil hubbies. All wrapped up in a nice, snarky, nylon K-mart package.

      • Posted By: bobmac15 @ 09/04/2008 3:37:14 PM

        ASkPlus:
        do you jsut as matter of reflex turn to personnel, denegrating attacks when your opinion is questioned? you seem to love painting a picture of White trash and insuilting 16-17 years olds in order to destry the meesenger. is that the only way you can win a debate? sort of the James Carville model of character assassination to avoid a true debate. Just Insult the messenger so no one can stay on track to debate the issues. is this what the Obamanation means when it is a "uniter" and "post-partisan" and will bring great consensus to Washington. How exactly does this work for you all? once Obama wins, all those insulted as trailer trash by you and others will fall at his feet and honor his goodness?

        We were talking about Alter feeling is obligated to dig into Sarah Palin aftre 4 days when he has been looking the other way for 15 months while Obama circles the globe. and you want to talk about how Ms. Palin looks? that works well to advance adult conversations.

  • Posted By: bammer @ 09/04/2008 1:51:01 PM

    TO: NBC, MSNBC, CBS, CNN, NYT, CT, WP, Newsweek, Time, Atlantic Weekly, LAT---

    CC: Jonathon Alter

    WHAT MAKES YOU WORTHY OF TELLING US WHAT YOU THINK?

    The Main Stream Media should be ASHAMED AS HELL OF ITSELF; but, we know, it has NO SHAME!!! It NOW thinks it should get involved in the vetting of a VP, while it GAVE A SHAMELESS PASS to OBAMA for the PRESIDENTIAL SLOT.

    So you think giving SOFTBALL questions to OBAMA in the debates proves anything. Do you think not tracking down his associations, record, accomplishments or lack thereof proves anything? Do you think that attacking a 17 YEAR OLD GIRL of a candidate AND THE CANDIDATE HERSELF MAKES YOU WORTHY OF TELLING US WHAT YOU THINK?

    It proves that the MSM is trying as hard as we have ever seen to CONTROL an election like a Chicago Party Machine, or a government controled, Banana Repubic press.

    The MSM press has been disgraceful and there has been and will continue to be a decline of the MSM into tabloid, celebrity, and sexism journalism.

    With some MSM outlets like NBC, MSNBC, CBS, CNN, NYT, CT, WP, Time, Newsweek, Atlantic Weekly, LAT, and others becoming tabloids following DailyKos, MoveOn.org, and HuffingtonPost, the vast majority of normal, middle class, independent/moderate WILL BE SICK OF YOU.

    ANSWER THIS QUESTION:
    WHAT MAKES YOU WORTHY OF TELLING US WHAT YOU THINK?

    • Posted By: Roodydes @ 09/04/2008 3:29:25 PM

      I see that you did not put Fox News on your list. I guess they tell you what to think and you follow them blindly. You should read, listen to the news and commentators and read ideas from the candidates and their platform and make an intelligent decision.

  • Posted By: Indy Voter @ 09/04/2008 3:27:16 PM

    Sad to see what was once a fine institution, Newsweek and what was once a relatively objective albeit left-leaning columnist, Alter, become wholly-owned subsidiaries of the Obama campaign. Typical Newsweek edition these days is "Story 1 - Why Obama's inexperience is a strength. Story 2 - Obama, is he really this great or only nearly great. Story 3 - Column: Republicans and the Nazis, more similar than you think."

    Really, really sad.

    As to this particular column, see Palin's speech. Enough said.

  • Posted By: petersot @ 09/04/2008 3:11:17 PM

    I love it when dems idiots cite the fact that Palin was not vetted. What a crock! Vetting is a process (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vetting) which is designed to reduce the risk of negative exposure or embarrassment. The only person the results of the vetting goes to is the person requesting that the process be done. The only analysis that counts is the person who makes a decision.

    So, this means that if John McCain approves of Sarah Palin, so be it. The media doesn't count. Your opinion doesn't count. The only one that counts is John McCain. I find it absolutely hilarious that people are running around spouting off hateful messages towards somebody who was blessed with the opportunity to run for the second highest position in the nation. We should congratulate her and wish her well.

    If you really want to put your money where your mouth is, contribute to the cause, otherwise all that you can do that really matters is vote.

    • Posted By: harvey74 @ 09/04/2008 3:24:52 PM

      I'm glad you think that our opinion doesn't matter, only McCains. Typical. That's why it was done the way it was done.

  • Posted By: LrunnerR @ 09/04/2008 3:15:48 PM

    "It is going to be GREAT to watch Biden get flustered and shaky and tuck his tail between his legs and retreat." Really? - you can actually say with dignity that Palin - who has the knowledge of the political world as Bush has of quantum physics - will be able to legitimately, keep in mind that word legitimate, able to argue with someone like Biden who has more experience and knowledge than Palin cubed. That's special.

  • Posted By: ssquared @ 09/04/2008 2:21:55 PM

    Obama is supported by Hamas, Hezb'allah and most people within 10 miles of the Atlantic and Pacific oceans.
    John McCain and Sarah Palin will win most votes in between although they may lose in Gaza.
    Joe Biden is of no consequence and will bring nothing to Obama.
    Mr. Altar, you do the math.

    • Posted By: epryor @ 09/04/2008 3:15:35 PM

      If Obama were elected president it would be Hamas, Hezb'allah's and Bin Laden's worst nightmare. Why? because he would pull out the troops. This war is fueling recrutiment for them. All they have to say is "Americans are killing us and occupying holy land" to get recruits. If I were them I would also say that I support Obama, so as to influence the country to vote for the person I really want in office.

  • Posted By: billireland @ 09/04/2008 1:53:46 PM

    "The Palin nomination is as much of a test of us as it is of her." Leave it to the elite media to think this story is about them. In fact, they are furious at being bypassed, and for having their coronation of Obama derailed. The moose-hunting mom came out of the woods to point out that the would-be emperor has no clothes. And yes, her experience does trump Obama's.

    • Posted By: zek202 @ 09/04/2008 3:13:17 PM

      JA is whistling past the graveyard in this article. To the barricades all you media eliets! The moment arrives and the woman appears.

    • Posted By: AskPlus @ 09/04/2008 1:59:49 PM

      Leave it to those who judge and call people "elite" to be wrong on every count. She has zero experience, is a questionable mom with paper-thin moral standards, and ran town smaller than most big colleges, and a State with a population half the size of Hawaii's. But she does read a Rove written speech well.

  • Posted By: andthen @ 09/04/2008 3:08:13 PM

    S. Palin's experience level is one potential problem. So is her rank dishonesty and regressive policy views. Why, in particular, are commentators ignoring the profound misrepresentations and bad faith pouring forth from the McCain/(now)Palin machine?

  • Posted By: Lora1234 @ 09/04/2008 3:05:43 PM

    I for one am SO looking forward to debates between Biden and Palin. It is going to be GREAT to watch Biden get flustered and shaky and tuck his tail between his legs and retreat. Palin is powerful and composed and will rip him apart. Good entertainment. Good entertainment.

  • Posted By: onevoiceofameriaca @ 09/04/2008 3:04:23 PM

    This is John McCains judgement call. WHY did he not pick someone with some foriegn policy????? I do understand she was mayor and a city council member and yes govener She surelly a very nice person but win it comes to John McCains choice for vp I am stunned. He has failed his first test as President.

  • Posted By: locotzinc @ 09/04/2008 3:03:08 PM

    As Bill Buckley said " I would rather be governed by the first 100 names in the Boston phone book
    than the faculty at Harvard" You guys on the "inside" don't understand how silly, petty and arrogant
    you appear. People out here are capable, intelligent, competent, productive as well as straightforward.
    We may not sound as pretty as you guys but we get the job done.

  • Posted By: Marquette70 @ 09/04/2008 3:03:01 PM

    When talking about Governor Palins speech, and the tone, go back and look at Governor Richards speech about President Bush. "Poor George.." Great stuff.

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