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GOP Convention Spin, Part II

Palin trips up on her facts, and Giuliani and Huckabee have their own stumbles on Night 3 of the Republican confab.

By Viveca Novak | factcheck.org
Sep 4, 2008 | Updated: 8:23  p.m. ET Sep 4, 2008

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  • Posted By: Rocky_B @ 09/15/2008 6:34:42 PM

    Oversimplification & misleading information is rampant on both sides. As we all know this is typical during elections.

    Sarah Palin has been taken to task for flip-flopping and taking the money anyway and using it for undisclosed other things. The implications suggest corruption and her being part of the problem. Saying she eventually nixed the project only after Congress removed the earmark paints a picture that it Palin's burning desire to see this bridge completed at all costs and only gave in due to beltway pressure.

    The facts concerning the bridge to nowhere: Alaska's government officials for over 10 years had been telling their constituents that the bridge was neccessary. Due to the propaganda push, the majority of the people of Alaska, not just Palin, trusted that their representatives were correct. With so much pressure, as a govenitorial candidate, running against it would have been political suicide. In 2003, the price tag for the two bridges was $130 million. By early 2005 it had jumped to $230 million. By November 2005 Stevens was estimating $350 Million. One of the first things Palin did when she took office in 2006 was to set a commission to review the 2 bridges. Before the end of the same month, the commission reported back that to finish the projects would require well over $400 million. Meanwhile, with DOT resources being diverted towards this boondoggle, the rest of Alaska's road infrastructure was in sorry state. It was December 2006, during her first month of office, not 2007 that she notified Congress, "Thanks, but no thanks." and worked out a compromise where the funds would be used towards alternate solutions and towards fixing Alaskas roads. Investigations also uncovered illegal activity with the road project that resulted in indictments against several individuals. The earmark's strongest proponent Senator Stevens who was asked to resign for corruption. Even then, the bridge project and all investments to date are not being thrown away as a dead issue, Sarah merely informed Congress that enough was enough, Those bridges would no longer be considered for earmarks in her administration and if Alaska want's those two bridges built, Alaska will pay to build them.

    By the way, "Helping to push through a bill" is NOT synonimous to actually doing the 'grunt work' and research needed to successfully "Author a bill." The point I take away is there is a difference between "establishing policy", something a president needs to know something about to run an effective administration, and "jumping onto a political bandwagon". Which any hack politician can do.

  • Posted By: wildlifeusa @ 09/06/2008 11:49:43 PM

    9/11 and religion What is the connection? there is the answer. Please pass this video on.

    http://propagandameatgrinder.magnify.net/video/Zeitgeist-s-hrvatskim-titlom/theater#theater_title

  • Posted By: cshortz @ 09/06/2008 9:29:11 PM

    Great article. It is about time someone checked the facts.

  • Posted By: cshortz @ 09/06/2008 9:28:25 PM

    Great article. Glad that someone actually checks the facts.

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 09/06/2008 9:25:35 PM



    JOHN MCCAIN AND HIS EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE AS A COMMANDER . . .A LEADER . . .IN THE U.S. NAVY:

    In the Spring of 1975 John S. McCain was given an opportunity to redeem his Navy career. He was first named the 2nd in Command and then on to Commanding Officer (CO)of the Navys largest Air Squadron, a massive Unit at Cecil Field in Jacksonville FLA. At Cecil Field, they trained pilots and maintained attack jets called A7s. This was McCains first measured entry into leadership.

    http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1185143625/bctid1761979374

    McCain was revered by many on the base: Testimonials

    Carl M. Smith - fellow officer, Cecil Field:

    John was a commander who did not attempt to tell people how to do jobs (no micro-management) . . . instead he picked PEOPLE HE HAD CONFIDENCE IN and INSPIRED them to rise to the highest level of their own ability.

    Sharleen Hollenback, Navy enlistee under McCain:

    * He was a very ACCESSIBLE person
    * He was very KIND
    * He CARED ABOUT THE PEOPLE that worked in his Squadron
    * I very much ADMIRED him and felt like was part of something very important in that squadron.

    Carl M. Smith - fellow officer, Cecil Field:

    John would talk to the Sr. chief and KID him, given him a hard time, saying things like ???what about your behavior chief?, what about your drinking?, huh, huh, huh???? . . .which would rock them back on their heels while the rest of the crew and shop WATCHED IN FASCINATION at how McCain was interacting with their chief petty officer.

    That was part of his unorthodox HANDS-ON STYLE. John was not one to cloister himself away in his office on the 2nd floor of the Squadrons airplane hanger.

    Carl M. Smith - fellow officer, Cecil Field:

    Instead, on a DAILY basis he would WALK THROUGH the maintenance spaces, all the functional shops on THE BASE. He would go though the engine shop, the hydraulic shop, the fuel shop, the weapons shop - every one of them. He would GO IN AND TALK TO ALL the folks in the shops.

    Jim Lichtenwalter - fellow office, Cecil Field:

    I just think that he did a great job of making himself understand what other peoples jobs were and what their responsibilities were. . .

    In its heyday in the Vietnam era, Cecil Field was buzzing with THOUSANDS OF NAVY OFFICERS ENLISTEES, AND THEIR FAMILIES.

    J. B. Renninger, former Navy Pilot at Cecil Field:

    You would have anywhere from 10 - 12 aircrafts in a pattern at any one time, doing touch and go???s
    We would operate from 7am one morning thru 2am or 3 am into the NEXT morning. It was a very ACTIVE BASE then.

    Cecil Field was John McCains last posting with the Naval Squadron, but one that would CARRY RELEVANCE today as HE LOOKS TO LEAD OUR COUNTRY.





    http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1185143625/bctid1761979374


  • Posted By: Neuboy @ 09/06/2008 12:07:55 PM

    How sad has our democracy become that you saw almost NO ANALYSIS of these BLATANT LIES by the major networks. The only place I saw these covered and pointed out, beyond this article was "The Daily Show." No wonder why so many young people consider that their primary news source.

    You "independents" who claim to be "outraged" by this article can go on all you want, but the simple fact is that you have NO FACTS to refute. You simply attack and "blame the media." How pathetic.

  • Posted By: skunkamericahaters @ 09/04/2008 9:40:40 PM

    And what is the credibility of your left wind Obama loving magazine that will soon disappear from my house at least. Its your total bias that kills your credibility as journalists I use the term rather loosely. You arebasically hacks for the extreme left fringe of the Democrats

    • Posted By: julescator @ 09/04/2008 9:56:17 PM

      Oh please stop whinning about the same media that you loved then rev Wright was on an endless loop. You just couldn't get enough. Palin speaks - Obama gets $8 million and GOP gets $1 million. Follow the money, honey. McCain and Mother Moose are dead in the water. Although, I must say that's a nice picture of her on the cover of the National Enquirer, lol lol She's right up there with John Edwards and Dog the Bounty Hunter. lol lol

      • Posted By: skunkamericahaters @ 09/04/2008 10:05:02 PM

        Save your breath, you freak; she's married. Reverend Wright dug himself into a hole; it was clear that he and Obama are in the same America-hating boat. It's only right, then, that we like that sort of media, the truthful one. Yours is one of lies and corruption.
        Barack Hussein Obama has hidden his past; his starving, neglected half-brothers live in poverty.

        • Posted By: max in fl @ 09/05/2008 6:12:45 PM

          Spin, Spin Spin you'd take an INCOMPLETE sentence out a speech...Yes youtube only took a video of half of the sentence and looped it. Now he is a racist. why so you can make your case and make Obama a racist. If that doesn't work, since I can't find anything current let go back 40 years and find dirt on a 65 year old college professor and link it to Obama. Great Plan. All is fair in love and elections right? All that happens is that someone ACTUALLY googles the entire speech or Wright interview and notices he was not being anti American or racist but against social injustice in America. When he spoke out against the injustice of blacks not allow to ride at the front of the bus or able to be served at a restaurant, he was also being a racist. Likely I like the spin call the guy that speak out against racism by calling him a racist. That always works. The rest of the line if you care to know was ...for treating its citizens as less than human.

          If you want people to stop taking about Palin's daughter, don't talk about Obama's brother. There is ALOT of moral material there.

          The day we can no longer speak of social injustice, is the day we WILL be like China.


          STOP THE SMEARS IN 2008

  • Posted By: Nicj @ 09/04/2008 10:16:47 PM

    It is sadly clear that Newtgreg is an Islamic Terrorist as the New York Mayor did say he has a problem with them. I think maybe he has a right to dislike them as well as all the 4,000 some New York victom's families' By the way Racist, if you were looking for a "black man" for Pres. then the mixed Berry is not able to foot your bill!!! Just so you know he is half black, he just hates all white people including his own grand mother. Who is the racist, You or Berry!!!

    • Posted By: max in fl @ 09/05/2008 5:36:03 PM

      Art of war? Ruin Obama's credibiity so no one believes what he says.No cigar but nice try. But bringing his grandmother into this is low even for a Republican. Palin's children are off limits but not Obama's grandmother, nice touch. Just like a republican to spin a visit to his grandmother who has a hard time getting around and call it a vacation in Hawaii. Since you mentioned ALL, I guess you also mean he hates his mother. Likely.

      Speaking of Guiliani, When I visited NY, while in Manhattan the unions made a HUGE replica of a rat with a sign Guiiani across its chest. Now he a speaker because he redeemed himself by the way he responded to 9/11. After hearing his speech that image of a RAT pops up again.

      I give him credit on 9/11 not a pass as the mayor of NY.

    • Posted By: Keepinguponfacts123 @ 09/05/2008 10:11:25 AM

      You need to go back into the hole you came out of. Guilani is an idiot! And if you believe what he says than you deservce what you get! Why aren't you over in Iraq if you believe in it so much. Don't com on here and spew your hate and bigotry. If you want to vote McSame than do so. But I will not, I have that right beacuse our forefathers fought for us to have that right and you or your hatred will not take that away from any Americans (and I mean all Americans black, white, Asian, Indian, Latino, etc.). Did you notice that all the people at the GOP convention where white and old? Take another look at yourself and your Republican Party.

  • Posted By: Nicj @ 09/04/2008 10:44:26 PM

    Being a military survivor of William F, I have the leisure of having studied the battles of our past all the way to the revolutionary war. Our history in battle explains our freedom today. Any prick who states we have had our _ _ _ handed to us in Iraq is truely an anemy on our own soil. You, idiot, are a pathetic fool who collects and sucks the energy of all free people!!! Go to your calling in China, and when you open your big fat mouth just one time!!! You then will cry America please save me!!!!

    • Posted By: max in fl @ 09/05/2008 4:48:57 PM

      If you only think about war guess what your see around you... war. I personally don't think we had our asses handed to us. We have made SIGNIFICANT progress, but throw these guys in the water and let them swim by for themselves and start looking for Bin Laden. I believe we have veered from our path and unless I'm missing something Bin Laden is not our main objective. How many people belief he is still in Iraq?

  • Posted By: Nicj @ 09/05/2008 12:33:25 AM

    You are confused about what I am saying to you!!! The first action Bush took was to go after Bin Laden!!! The next action he took was "who else is claiming an attack" Sadam!!! What Bush did not realize is that all the aid, help, and friendship to the European nations meant nothing to them as they hated our power and strength. Many of them actually aided Iraq in arming against the UN Resolutions. In hindsight Our President's hands were tied by inaction for way too long. I find it ironic that with all the intell we had before Bush made office, nothing, absolutely nothing was done!!! He sits in a classroom in front of kids in FL thinking that we were prepared and had good intell and sadly it was not the case. So in response he is prudent to ask congress for a war against all enemies of the US and has Sadam saying "it is my goal to Kill little Bush and all Amercans" Just months after Bin Laden says "I, and all my islamic brothers am declaring war on America" If Bush would not have attacked in Iraq nobody knows if there would have been a 10/11 or a 11/11 or a 12/11. And by the way, as a criminal justice major and a student of law enforcement the way to catch the columbian drug cartels has always been arrest the small time drug dealer, interrogate him and work your way up. A little more info for the uninformed from your military, we took terrorists in sso many more places than Iraq, Afganistan, Africa, Canada, Britain, Germany, Former Russian countries, Australia, Central America and so on and so on. Just because the tards who lead you say something is true does not set it in stone. Bush and his administration has shook up and punished the terrorist world but with the wrong approach from here on out, be prepared to lose more friends as sad as it is. Israel has lived with it for so long that if we want guidence about terrorism we need to talk to them. Bush does and they honor him as one of the smartest allies they have ever had.

    • Posted By: max in fl @ 09/05/2008 3:39:36 PM

      By WE, I hope you mean the government of all the countries you mentioned have been fighting terrorism in their country not for the US but because its a world problem. I love the credit hogging spin though.
      If the Republicans believe as YOU do, they would have mentioned it,at the convention right? McCain does not hesitate when speaking of the surge. IF he believed it was a good idea to start the war he should own it along with the economy that is a result of it?.

      We are winning now but back at the beginning we were closer than we are now to catching Bin Laden, why did we stop?. Based on what you learned in school I see where you are going with this, capture, torture and kill the terrorists in Iraq first and THEY will lead us to Bin Laden.

      McCain is not really interested in the economy. This war costs nearly 12 billion...16 billion dollars a MONTH if you include Afghanastan. How to you fund the second most expensive the US has ever had? That's right we will cut taxes and borrow from China. You can't say we will stay as long as it takes and not talk about where you are getting the money .. We have to protect this nation not only militarily (as McCain sees) but FINANCIALLY (as Obama sees) as well. THAT'S real talk.

      If you WANT this war in Iraq to continue indefinitely, then think of way to PAY for it out of YOUR pocket without putting the solvency of Social Security at risk. You want smaller government, less taxes, alternative fuels, but you ALSO want spend 12-16 billion a month on war. Well guess what door we WILL be going through with McCain..12-16 billion a month on war. Whatever is LEFT we will use domestically.

      We don't have to worry, The White House have alot of money trees in the back. They say Obama is delusional but imagine if we SPENT the same 16 billion dollars a month on weening us off foreign oil instead of war...Do you think we could switch over in 10 years? We can use off shore drilling when we are halfway there to bridge the gap between our dependency on foreign oil and our self reliance on alternative fuel.

      In the interim,, stop calling the people that are now supplying the oil 'terrorist' and expect them to work with you to lower their prices. Why deliberately SLAM every Middle Eastern citizen from royalty to beggar to get yourself elected. Unbelievable! Then you'll go over there as if they DON"T have televisions as ask to lower the oil prices. Then you wonder why they give you such a hard time.... .......

      Don't think the Democrats are scared to call essentially ALL Middle Easterners terrorists, 1) Its not true. 2) We just don't believe in INSULTING the driver without another RIDE..

  • Posted By: ewmorri @ 09/05/2008 3:12:58 PM

    I think its funny that you post Palin's accusation that Obama hasn't authored "a single major law or even a reform" in the U.S. Senate or the Illinois Senate is simply not a fair assessment. Obama has helped push through major ethics reforms in both bodies, for example. as an example of a bad fact with out posting a single law or reform that Obama "Authored" no one said he never supported a major reform but that he had never authored one

  • Posted By: writelhd @ 09/05/2008 3:06:16 PM

    Huckabee might have meant percent of votes, not total number. I don't know the total populations of the states Biden campaigned in nor the town Sarah Palin was mayor of to compare.

  • Posted By: Mwalimu @ 09/05/2008 2:51:11 PM

    Woweeee!!!

    5 pages worth of lies. What will happen during the campaign?

    Lest we forget, the Bush Administration circulated lie after lie to get us into the Iraq war.McCain, the maverick did nothing.
    The Bush Administration has moved from one cover-up to another, one lie to another. For 8 long years the Bush Administration has lied and obstructed justice. Once again, McCain the mavericka did nothing. Books have been written about the impeachable offenses that the Bush Administration has committed. Far more serious that the tawdry sexcapade committed by Bill Clinton.. Once again,McCain the maverick, did nothing.

    McCain claims he will change Washington. He claims he will fight for the people, but he has participated in 8 years of lies and cover ups. Why should we believe him this time? (The same applies to Sarah Palin, who in first speech before the American people conained lie after lie, misrepresentation after misrepresentation.)

    McCain is telling the truth only in one respect. He will promise change from 8 years of a failed Bush presidence. He will make everything worse - much worse.

  • Posted By: mk2008 @ 09/05/2008 1:48:16 PM

    an a-4 is not a small bomber, it is a duel role 'fighter' the A stands for attack. maybe factcheck should get their facts straight.

  • Posted By: LudwigVanBeet @ 09/05/2008 1:07:51 PM

    As an Independent , I can say with certainty that the thought of McCain and Palin in the White House is absolutely terrifying. God if mcCain has a senior moment and she has to fill in can you imagine her with a Major event about to happen. Not that women are not qualified , lot's of them are but this lamebrain is a Moose Killer.

  • Posted By: tiredoflies @ 09/05/2008 12:24:46 PM

    Who really has the experience, judgement and leadership?

    1. Barack Obama said we did not have justification to invade Iraq and was against it.

    That turned out to be true. No WMDs. OBAMA WAS RIGHT.

    2. Barack Obama said we should attack in Pakistan if we find the enemy there.

    BUSH IS NOW DOING JUST THAT.

    3. Barack Obama said we should use diplomacy as a first resort not a last resort.

    BUSH IS NOW DOING JUST THAT WITH NORTH KOREA AND IRAN.

    4. Barack Obama said we should establish a time table to leave Iraq.

    BUSH HAS NOW ESTABLISHED A TIME TABLE WITH IRAQ TO LEAVE BY
    2011.

    5. Barack Obama said Washington needs change very badly.

    JOHN MCCAIN IS NOW, AFTER YEARS, SAYING JUST THAT.


    So who then has the correct judgement here?

    Looks to me like both PRESIDENT BUSH AND JOHN MCCAIN ARE NOW DOING EXACTLY WHAT BARACK OBAMA SAID LONG AGO.

    So who then is the real leader. He is the one others follow, and that is Barack Obama.

    So yes, Obama has less so called experience but obviously he has learned so much more from his lesser experience because he has the correct judgement and has been in the lead on all these issues.


    These are FACTS, NOT speculation, distortions or lies as some of my republican counterparts like to do.

  • Posted By: MidwestGal @ 09/04/2008 10:12:14 PM

    I applaud Factcheck.org for being so thorough in detailing for the public the Republican speakers' missteps. That's an important thing in keeping politicians "honest" (at least in their claims) and keeping the general public informed.

    Now, if only this same level of journalistic could be applied to BOTH parties, that would be a huge step toward unbiased reporting!

    • Posted By: goybij @ 09/05/2008 11:18:13 AM

      They already do (see link). If only the Republicans didn't lie so darn much, then the Democrats' lies wouldn't be as burried.

      http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_obama.html

    • Posted By: Aggie Independent @ 09/05/2008 11:13:40 AM

      They do and it was reported during the Dem convention. This week it is the Repub's turn. Go to the site, look and you will find the GOP is much more dishonest than the Dems, though they aren't lilly white by any means.

  • Posted By: max in fl @ 09/04/2008 9:12:03 PM

    She is a mom, she is a mom. That is the Republican's angle, so they can exploited Palin's sex as a woman, show pictures of her holding her baby, however cannot comment on her life as a mother. She can be a hockey mom for her son but can't be a cheerleader mom for her daughter???

    She will continue to cut the CREDIBILITY of the media so they will slow their fact finding mission. Whatever DOES come out she'll complain that she's a victim, and they don't like her. It won't work, We know the kill the opponent's crediblity before they speak tecknique. Funny, she should call up Hillary and apologize.

    The Republican have been using scare tactics so we can give a pause to elect Obama. They claim that they would rather lose the election then to lose a war....and its not about winning the election. He is not like Bush but he just HAPPENS to also using war to scare the people into voting for him.

    Well how on EARTH do you USE any VIDEO of 9/11 to scare the voters into choosing you. THAT is NOT a tribute, he should apologize to people like myself who LOST people, for using those picture for political gain. This is an outrage.

    This proves McCain is out of touch if believes that WE WANT to remain at war. Maybe he does know what works to get elected. Push the war and when people talk about the economy for the next 4 years, he can say 'hey look at Iraq'. But no he is NOTHING like Bush.

    • Posted By: skunkamericahaters @ 09/04/2008 9:56:03 PM

      And About Barack Hussein Obama community oraganiser rabble rouser. Remember Wright/ Flager/Ayers.
      And how can we forget the lovely Tny Rezko and the land deal .Business as usual by democrats Ay.

      • Posted By: skunkamericahaters @ 09/04/2008 10:08:41 PM

        We don't have a choice anymore about the war, and besides, we're on the verge of winning! Obama would only snatch defeat from victory's jaws.

        • Posted By: jnakhoul @ 09/05/2008 11:15:22 AM

          yeah if we could only wipe iraq off the map, VICTORY would be ours. what exactly do you mean when you say victory. if you mean deepening resentment towards the US then we already victorious, do not mistake short term success for long term stability

        • Posted By: max in fl @ 09/04/2008 11:55:33 PM

          If we beat poverty in New York have we won the war on poverty in the US. That is Obama point. This is not about cutting and running it is about sticking to your goal. The man who masterminded 9/11 and killed the people I loved is in Afghanastan. In a police investigation, when the culprit is PA you don't hang out in NJ killing all known associates in the area. You don't kill the drug cartel in Columbia by arresting the pushers in NY or CA. .

          Even if you killed every single terrorist in Iraq right now and leave. As soon as you do they will come back WHY because the MASTERMIND is building is organization somewhere else. We took our eyes off Bin Laden and now ANYWHERE he lives he can build an organization.

          The problem I had with Bush is that he did not want to say America we are looking for Bin Laden and Bin Laden is not here we must find Bin Laden so we move on. The troops are following his orders you tell them we had bad intel this is where Bin Laden is now, let go get him, they'll go. I feel he just said we might not get him now but we will kill all terrorist cells here. I feel the definition of winning in this administration and oossibly McCain's has become reducing numbers of terrorists in Iraq and stop them from entering Iraq. I would rather they come home, if they are not looking for Bin Laden. US can't afford it. You can't talk about cutting government spending with a war on the books.

          You kill a rattlesnake by cutting off his head not his tail

    • Posted By: Nicj @ 09/04/2008 11:45:04 PM

      If you lost people in that terror attack why is your tribute to them to hide from the enemy? Did Sadam ever say he would honor his peace agreement? One very basic fact is the Deso's said Bin Laden was not a threat so long that Bush believed them, his big mistake, Sadam said from beginning to end that he was going to make America pay for not letting him have Kuwait! Your glass bubble of safety that the deso's assended on you is too clean for you to see. Stop dreaming of a great Deso leader and start looking at what they are realy about!!!

      • Posted By: max in fl @ 09/05/2008 1:08:56 AM

        But did Sadam attack us? We are giving Bin Laden time to build his new terrorist cell. He points to us in Iraq and gives them reason to join his cause. He is in his cave brainwashing then sending young men off to their death to fight.

        We were really hoping to kill 2 birds with one stone. Kill Sadam because he's a risk after we screwed him over and get the REAL threat Bin Laden. We killed off the possible future threat because we had to show the world that threatening us is not option. Then we hung around. If we stuck to our goal to hunting and killing Bin Laden the war would not end, but it would be easier to manage because we would've scrambled their network and then use intel to KEEP them scrambling and pick them off one by one if we chose to. If we didn't want to hang around, we could say we finished what we started out to do so now we're going back home. It's a measured response that Americans would not second guess. I don't care about all terrorist because they will alway be there. I want them too weak and too scared to fight. Go after number 1 or go home.

  • Posted By: Nicj @ 09/04/2008 10:01:13 PM

    Fact check.org
    humina, humina, humina as Eddy Murphy once joked if we look at this factcheck in the psychotic eyes of a demo or should I say a deso you Know desocrate the US of A we know this same factcheck was not placed on the Deso's. Today Biden on national tv, ABC that the RNC never addressed the problem with fuel costs for the average American. Hmmm who refused to allow the senate to vote on offshore drilling. Sure as heck wasn't the RNC even most of the deso's asked to be able to place their vote. Yet a refusal of the deso's to help the American people with their fuel cost and hence a refusal to assist to our economy. When the housing market started having problems the Deso's again could have done something in Congress to fix the problem, but again , nothing!!! 12% aproval rating since the deso's took over, Hmmm If Busch has a 30% rating while winning a war to set Iraq free and smoke or nearly wipe out terror all terror against America. I actually have to fact check that , He says that the Deso's have the right to continue to terrorise America with their outragouse Ideas and their ziplock bags of urine and poop.

    • Posted By: goybij @ 09/05/2008 11:06:52 AM

      Wasn't Crist against off-shore oil drilling? And isn't Shwarzenagger still against it? Aren't they Republicans? Not all Republicans are in favor of off-shore drilling.

  • Posted By: kings5 @ 09/04/2008 9:52:13 PM

    In your comment about McCain flying a fighter when it was a A-4 Skyhawk you called it a small bomber and this is not correct. In fact its an attack aircraft which is why it has an "A" designator. The only aircraft that can be called a bomber are those with a "B" designator such as the B-52, B-1 and B-2. The A-4 is every bit a fighter as is the A-10 Thunderbolt II (Warthog) that is use down range right now. Get your facts straight!!!

    • Posted By: goybij @ 09/05/2008 11:00:06 AM

      Yes, but if you read the article: "The aircraft is formally called a 'Light Attack Bomber' by Boeing"; which on the Boeing website entry it reads: "A4D/A-4 Skyhawk Light Attack Bomber".

      http://www.boeing.com/history/mdc/skyhawk.htm

    • Posted By: goybij @ 09/05/2008 10:57:15 AM

      Yes, but if you read the article: "The aircraft is formally called a 'Light Attack Bomber' by Boeing"; which on the Boeing website entry it reads: "A4D/A-4 Skyhawk Light Attack Bomber".

      http://www.boeing.com/history/mdc/skyhawk.htm

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