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  • Posted By: lifeistooshort @ 09/07/2008 2:48:42 AM

    I believe in freedom of expression as well, but I also believe that one can go too far with that freedom. We also live in world with a lot of weirdos out there and the last thing I want is my daughters out there with clothes on that bare too much or draw unneccesary attention.


  • Posted By: lifeistooshort @ 09/07/2008 2:25:05 AM

    As a mother of 3 precious daughters, I would never let them wear any attire that I AS THEiR MOTHER HAVE THE RIGHT TO TELL THEM THEY CAN"T wear. As the wife of a teacher I also know that attire does affect not only the learning environment but the teaching environment as well. My husband had a student that was wearing jeans that were so low that her thong panties were showing, do you think the kids in the class were listening to a word my husband was saying...no they were too busy gawking over the young ladies panties.

  • Posted By: mistabeanz @ 09/07/2008 1:32:59 AM

    people who spit this kind of dumbness are exactly why the people in this country that are classless act how they do...its always about '"federal government power, rights this, freedom that"....schools have a right to instill 'uniformity' of students, to avoid distractions and gang problems for example, the school IS meant for the purpose of the benefit of education, they arent going to a club after all, which by the way, also has a dress code for whoever wants to participate in the party, and take part in the benefits AND problems inside

  • Posted By: countrybumkin @ 09/07/2008 1:17:36 AM

    ok...............Jenny222 didn't do anything I wouldn't have done. She isn't telling anyone how to dress. But she is, however, bringing attention to something I have often thought about. We scream and yell about perverts that look at little girls butts, but yet, we put words like sexy and cutie pie on their butts....HELLO...we draw attention and then yell at the attention drawn! Come on here. And dangrs1958.....as for teens expressing themselves....no problem, but they can do so in a way that doesn't offend others. Baggy pants...fine....having to look at your boxers and butt checks with your pants belted BELOW them...NOT FINE...offensive if you ask me!!!!!!!!!!

    • Posted By: angelosdaughter @ 09/07/2008 1:32:35 AM

      Amen! remember young ladies, when you wear clothing that draws attention ot your body, you may be drawing attention you neither need nor want.
      And for mothers of young daughters who allow their girls to dress in a manner that is too adult for their ages, remember, like it or not, there are plenty of sick people in this world. Why would you allow your child to dress in a manner to draw their attention?

  • Posted By: countrybumkin @ 09/07/2008 1:23:01 AM

    Jenny 222 didn't do anything that I would not have done. I mean come on.....we put words like cutie pie and sexy and hot on little girls butts and then we yell at the perverts for looking at them. Hello! and as for dangrs1958.....Letting Teens express themselves is one thing. Baggy pants held up at the waist with a belt or just loose fitting even...t shirts that hang to their knees...ok fine....but looking at their boxers and butt cheeks with their pants belted BELOW their buns is NOT. In the 70's when I was growing up, my sister's boyfriend was walking down the street with an inch of his boxers hanging out BELOW his shorts, an officer pulled over and told him he better hide his underwear or he was going to ticket him for indecent exprosure. 25-30 years later they walk down the street with their pants BELOW their buns and a belt holding them their for the world to see ALL OF their boxers or girls dressed in less material then my bra and underwear cover! If we keep letting the express themselves, they will be walking around totally naked in another 20- 30 years.

  • Posted By: dangrs1958 @ 09/07/2008 12:09:49 AM

    I grew up in the sixties and seventies. This all seems like a rehash of the same. My hair was too long. My cloths were too sloppy. When are people just going to let go and let teens express themself? The more you say "NO" the more they will want to do it.

  • Posted By: Chaotician @ 09/05/2008 10:50:43 PM

    Butt Lettering is far preferable I would think to body piercing, cutting, and other truely dangerous fads; I imagine these are the same folks running around with Jesus Saves bumper Stickers...get a life already!

    • Posted By: biggiantted @ 09/06/2008 4:34:07 PM

      I find it interesting that the "dangerous fads" that you talk about aren't in any way related. body peircing is a personal expression. Cutting is a cry for help by a person with mental issues or a way to scream "look at me!" I feel that this silliness of wearing sonething with lettering on the ass is much more in the realm of the look at me camp than anything else. either to shock parents into finally paying some attention or else any one (good or bad) to pay attention. The Jesus Saves bumper sticker comment is just dumb. (or are you screaming look at me?) get a life indeed...

    • Posted By: angelosdaughter @ 09/06/2008 1:59:52 AM

      Get some class, already!!!

  • Posted By: jnklive @ 09/05/2008 2:14:25 PM

    Well, why not just have them were gray or black suits with swastikas on them. After all this is America, and if you can???t be like the rest of us we will persecute you...................................and yes I am a parent, but I taught my children to be RESPECTFUL INDIVIDUALS, which includes not imposing your will on other people.

    • Posted By: angelosdaughter @ 09/05/2008 4:11:16 PM

      Your kids do not have the right to disrupt the learning envirionment with their provocative clothing slogans. Their rights end where the majorityy's rights begin.
      Seeing some of the responses on this thread supporting their kids' 'right' to say/do whatever they want is the reason the schools have so many discipline problems. Keep your kids and home and take care of their educatiion yourself, then they can be as offensive as they want if you can stand it.
      As I told my now grown daughter when she sneaked out the house wearing a very brief pair of cut -offs that exposed part of her butt and then returned complaining that some guys at the store had made crude remarks "When you dress like that, it won't be just the guys you want to look that will be looking". Human nature is what it is, and it is a constant battle to restrain the basest instincts. Kids that age are overwhelmed by their hormones and have very questionable judgement. That's why they have parents. Unfortunately parents who defend their childrens' right to say/do whatever they please don't have any judgment themselves, so the kids are befreft of standards by parents who have none to give.

      • Posted By: ceanf9 @ 09/06/2008 2:08:12 AM

        how exactly does a provocative slogan on a t-shirt disrupt the learning environment. are the slogans so cool that all the kids can't stop staring at them and hence stop learning? do the slogans make then go crazy and run around like animals just because they read them? come on now. and your comment about majority/minority rights, well that may just be the dumbest s_hi t i have read in a while. rights are right, whether you are in the minority or the majority. they are not something that are passed around only apply to a specific group.

        • Posted By: angelosdaughter @ 09/06/2008 4:10:22 PM

          No, the dumbest sh_t you ever read is what you just posted! Elementary/Junior/high school is training for the real world, particularly the wonld of work. That is when the basics are taught. Most wokplaces have a dress coode, too. As someone who helped with the hiring process in my former workplace, I know for a fact, we never even considered hiring applicants with facial piercings, visible tattoos, or wearing clothing that would have been inappropriate in the workplace. If kids are never taught and made to conform to dress codes in school, they will never know why thery have such a hard time getting a job, You need to be taught appropriate behavior/attire so that you can make the choices fitting for whatever situation you are in. . What people wear outside school or work is their own business, but minors need to be led by people who teach the standards until they are old enough and sensible enough to realize the consequences of their choices. .

  • Posted By: kyleband1 @ 09/05/2008 2:17:26 PM

    There is not ONE heterosexual male who would not sneak a second look at a beautiful teenage girl's backside with the words "JUICY" or "Parking In Rear" stickered on it. Stop thinking you are so high-and-mighty and that "our kids are out of control". You grumpy, religious, conservative types are just as horney as the 17-year-old football captain down the street but are too jealous and bitter to admit it.

    • Posted By: tylerrose @ 09/05/2008 2:33:39 PM

      What on earth does this drivel have to do with the banning of letters on the backside of sweats, pants, etc? It's precisely the reason why the ban is there in the first place---there is no need to further objectify naive, young girls or give others the temptation. Something tells me you're a high school student....

      • Posted By: IndependentMind @ 09/05/2008 3:53:51 PM

        tylerrose, come on, objectify naive, young girls? I think they do a fine job of objectifying themselves. There were girls in school that were very good at being sluts, and there were girls that were not. The girls that wear these shorts know exactly what their doing; teasing boys (and dirty old men like me). Sounds tells me you're a puritanical, christian conservative...
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        • Posted By: Jenny222 @ 09/06/2008 2:45:29 PM

          What a sick pedophile!!!!

    • Posted By: angelosdaughter @ 09/05/2008 6:46:22 PM

      Wrong! I sent my girls to school to learn, not to have boys and men staring at their butts and snickering. You can't help being a heterosexual male, or a being few brain cells short, but you cculd have some class! And, let's see how you react someday if you see your daughter being snickered at by the horny 17 year old football captain down the street.

  • Posted By: angelosdaughter @ 09/06/2008 11:35:39 AM

    I don't kow why some of my comments are posting twice. Does anyone know how to delete duplicates?

  • Posted By: woofa @ 09/05/2008 3:59:02 PM

    CSCSR, Elvis and what you're comparing to is incredibly mild. The notion that it has no limits is ridiculous. Droppy pants fashion came from prison and gangs. Denim jeans did not.

    • Posted By: TheVigil @ 09/06/2008 2:14:19 AM

      When Elvis first hit the scene there was an uproar far beyond anything stitched on anyone's butt these days. Parents were convinced rock and roll was evil and indecent due to Elvis' hip gyrations. Now nobody bats an eyelash. "Mild" is a product of cultural values and time periods, not your own personal say-so. So quit thinking the way you like to see people dress is anything special.

  • Posted By: woofa @ 09/05/2008 3:52:27 PM

    Well AJLewis, you happened to be only ONE of the far too many that dress like that and ONE OF THE FEW that actually didn't let it influence his/her future and employability. I'll agree schools need to focus a lot more on education and not funding as well, but they also need to focus on not allowing anything goes because for many the influence is NOT GOOD despite your story. Underwear hanging out, piercings, general slobbiness and the piss poor behavior very often associated with it is not. As much as you like to think you were "just being yourself" what you were actually doing is wanting to be special, stand out, be cool, at least within some specific group. You happened to be mature enough, if what you say is true, to handle it. How many on college campus did you see dressing outlandishly? The numbers on a college campus go down drastically of your type that go on like that and have a future. You're concerned about education and a future for kids? Then get some basic understanding of the affects that what you did had on others that REINFORCED their slacker attitudes. I don't believe in kicking them out, just requiring kids go to school dressing and behaving like they are THERE TO LEARN and not teach.

    • Posted By: TheVigil @ 09/06/2008 2:11:58 AM

      I have nothing against school uniforms, but this post is so judgemental and bigoted that I really think you need a foot up your ass.

      I've seen plenty of people with tattoos, piercings (both sexes), and other nonconformist fashions who did just fine at their jobs. If you judge someone based on a piercing alone, I doubt you have anything intelligent to say about whether or not people get hired.

  • Posted By: whathappen2commonsense @ 09/05/2008 2:58:15 PM

    WHAT IS THE PROBLEM HERE, DID WE LOOSE FOCUS SOMEWHERE? IS OUR CONCERN FOR FASHION OR FOR EDUCATING OUR CHILDREN?

    • Posted By: zombiemaven @ 09/05/2008 3:39:21 PM

      Unfortunately, fashion can interfere with educating our children. Especially when the parents lack common sense.

      • Posted By: justthefactsma'am @ 09/06/2008 2:07:31 AM

        YOU COULD YOOSE SOME EDUCATING YOURSELF, PUNCTUATION AND SPELLING IN PARTICULAR.

  • Posted By: abinadi @ 09/05/2008 2:46:13 PM

    I agree. Your rights, your rights! Are you the only one who has rights? As long as your 5 children wear things that my 6 children can see, I have a right to have a say in what your kids wear! And I don't appreciate you deciding what my kids are going to see!

    • Posted By: ceanf9 @ 09/06/2008 1:50:51 AM

      since your kids obviously see adults frequently, do you have a right to have a say in what adults wear? i bet next you'll be trying to get the state to be fashion police. legislate the dress code now! that will be your battle cry.

  • Posted By: angelosdaughter @ 09/05/2008 1:56:15 PM

    Our kids are out of control.
    I don't know the answer except that parents need to try to get their control back and support the administrators at schools who are trying to stop provocative clothing/lettering on clothing. Try to make your daughters understand how such phrases cause them to be perceived. I think mandating plain solid colored unitforms is a good first step to be implimented in schools for several reasons.

    • Posted By: CSCSR @ 09/05/2008 2:17:57 PM

      OUR kids are NOT out of control. Some kids may be, you may think mine are, I might think yours are but OUR kids are not. But most importantly it's not the school's (gov't) job to have any opinion on the matter. The underlying problem is in the use of OUR as a collective as I intrepret your statement, you've decided for all what's in control in this context. It certainly makes sense then if the collective is out of control the gov't should do something about it. Well as long as we have a republic vs. a dictatorship you or the gov't don 't get to decide for me. And my daughter will not own a boy's (or girl's) @ss pants. If you or anyone else want to let you daughers (and probbably sons soon enough) that's fine with me because it's none of my business. Another fine example of our rush to socialism or worse communism forgetting our freedoms.

      • Posted By: tiredofidiots @ 09/05/2008 2:34:50 PM

        CSCSR - Normally I would agree with most of what you state here. It isn't for the government to decide. It is OK for the schools to decide what is appropriate to wear while in the educational environment. It has always been this way. When I was in school (public, not private school), we couldn't wear anything that had holes in it, which was in fashion. Nor could we wear anything promoting drugs or alcohol. Doing so risked detention or suspension depending on the item worn and the number of warnings the student received.

        When the parents don't do their job as parents and limit what their kids wear (@ss pants are not appropriate for anything but being in the house), it is up to the schools to say what is appropriate for that setting. It isn't like they are saying that kids can't wear it while not in school.

        If you want to get bent out of shape about freedoms, why not get upset about the seat belt law. This takes away our freedom of choice. As adults, we KNOW the possibilites of what could happen in a car. Yet we are forced to wear seat belts or get a ticket. Yet another way for our corrupt government to get more free money (after the $10 trillion that they cannot even account for).

        • Posted By: CSCSR @ 09/05/2008 2:56:03 PM

          Well seat belt laws are an easy one to tackle. If you don't wear them and get into an accident it will cost me money. Even if you have insurance at some point there is a limit and society inherits the costs to care for you. And if you don't have insurance (which is your right) society inherits the first dollar of care. Sure I'm not talking about broken bones or really even the deaths. It's the not dead and unable to contribute to society like brain injuries. There are also added cost to society in keeping enough hospitals and doctors and firefighters available for the injuries that result. I was a FF for 15 years and the taxpayers absorb the full cost of the response. More serious calls due to the lack of seatbelt equals more cost to the taxpayer, which I am proudly one. So you not wearing a setbelt does effect me and everyone else. Wearing @ss pants doesn't cost society anything.

          But I know you meant it more as a symbol. And there are certainly many, many things we could agree on that are a taking of our freedoms.

          • Posted By: NickiDrea @ 09/05/2008 11:48:49 PM

            Well, actually, you're wrong about clothing not "costing" society anything. Before I started doing criminal defense, I was an employment and civil rights attorney. I saw firsthand the lawsuits filed under sexual harassment laws by students in schools: girls feeling "harassed" by the boys at school, being touched in inappropriate ways, etc. When those cases go to court or end up settling, who do you think bears the brunt of the costs? The taxpayers. When students sue the school because they were suspended for wearing clothes that violate the dress code, and it happens, taxpayers pay for defending that suit as well.

            Litigation over this stuff costs taxpayers thousands of dollars a year. In some cases, hundreds of thousands of dollars to pay lawyers, filing fees, expert fees, settlement fees, etc.

      • Posted By: whathappen2commonsense @ 09/05/2008 2:47:43 PM

        You are right kids arent out of control, they just dont have any bounderies set for them by their parents. I am not sure where parenting (good parenting) can be associated with dictatorship and loosing freedom. Then again, I guess I could because my house my rules dont like it tough. I am sure that person was not being specific for I am sure they dont know your child. That's one of the problems here, everyone feels its none of there business what happens. If you fel that strongly about it and think no one has the rights to decide what your child wears then home school your child or start your own school with your own set of rules. however, once your child is in a school system (public or private) the are part of (yes I will say it) the collective it isnt and sholdnt be about seperate rules for certain people in a school it has to be a blanket rule.

  • Posted By: angelosdaughter @ 09/05/2008 5:33:49 PM

    Those who defend their childrens's 'rights' to be unrestrained by rules and boundaries should be the only ones who have to put up with their unruly brats. If they don't obey the school dress codes, expel them and mandate that their parents home school. Of course without other kids to impress with their prvocative manner of dress,there is no incentive to dress in such a style although their parents will still have to put up with the unrestrained behaviour they have encouraged indeed they should.

  • Posted By: woofa @ 09/05/2008 4:01:44 PM

    zombiemaven, sorry I mistook you for someone else so I'm sure my comment is confusing.

  • Posted By: woofa @ 09/05/2008 3:55:58 PM

    zombiemaven, going by your last post I can tell we're not that far apart. Again, you were atypical of the type you described yourself as dressing like.

  • Posted By: CSCSR @ 09/05/2008 3:52:39 PM

    It's been a fun discusion but got to go. One last thought our parents said the same things about us and our grand parents said the same things about our parents. I imagine my kids saying the same things about their kids. Funny though each generation has continued to move forward and in my opinion we are a better place today than in the past. Elvis didn't end the human race, go figure. I certainly prefer to live today than anytime in the past.

  • Posted By: zombiemaven @ 09/05/2008 3:46:15 PM

    I think it's less self expression that people are concerned with and more the sexualization of our children. Have you seen the hooker outfits some of these kids wear? No suprise when you see their influences. Bratz dolls were bad enough but now they have Bratz Babies that are dressed in half shirts, make up and diapers. The same idiot parents that buy pedophile inspired dolls for their kids are the ones who think dressing their little girls like hookers is cute!

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