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  • Posted By: James Lee @ 09/05/2008 4:24:37 PM

    In regard to Palin's stance against adding polar bears to the endangered species list, I would earnestly like to see some numbers. Are there any figures that show the polar bear population year to year for the last 25 years? For the last 30 years? For the last 50 years? For the last 100 years?

    The reason I ask is that I have heard that the polar bear population has been increasing as of late. If that is true, then shouldn't we question the need for this animal to be added to such a list?

    Additionally, it has been stated that the polar bears in Gore's film were capable of swimming 100 miles and that the ice floes were used only fto establish a dramatic effect. In other words, to embellish the perceived crisis.

    Clift writes as if opposition to Gore's chicken little like tale that "the sky is falling and we are all going to die" is ludicrous. In reality, many people (perhaps including Palin) believe that the concept of man-made global warming is merely a hoax. They further believe that folks like Gore (who has established a company to sell carbon credits to you and to me) have built up this hoax to their own advantage.

    I don't know if any of the foregoing is true, but if we steadfastly accept what some scientists are telling us, we should remember that it was the scientific community who told us that the earth is flat, the sun orbits around the planet Earth, and (in the 1970's) that global icing would destroy the planet in 20 years.

    So, how can Palin's viewpoint be so casually and cavalierly be written off as nonsensical by Cliff? There is always the possiblity that Palin is right and Cliff is wrong. It comes down to whether our common sense logic and the evidence we have absorbed leads us to accept or deny the man-made global warming theory.

  • Posted By: faithinflight @ 09/05/2008 4:15:18 PM

    An interesting read from an unusual religious perspective - I didn't know Christians could think like this! If you're into that kind of thing, I highly recommend checking this out:

    http://www.newsflavor.com/Opinions/McCain-Hijacks-Christianity-Via-Palin.240929

    • Posted By: Old Joe @ 09/05/2008 4:23:03 PM

      Well, Christians come in all shapes and sizes, sort of like everyone else. Some even think for themselves, as in your referenced and very interesting article.

  • Posted By: EoD696 @ 09/05/2008 3:51:07 PM

    Palin is plenty qualified. Have you all forgotten about Bill Clinton's roots in the political industry? He was elected without opposition as attorney general for arkansas for two years(1976-1978), then became governor for ten years(1978-1988) in Arkansas. He was the youngest governor, and made alot of mistakes, but in his ten years he made alot of advancements in economic and educational growth for the state. Regardless, prior to his presidency, he had no national political experience whatsoever, except leading a failed presidential campaign in Texas in 1972. Now I don't doubt for a second any of you would praise the idea of having Clinton back in office, but if you're going to doubt Governor Palin based on her experience alone, I'd have to call you all hypocrites. Since 1992 Palin has been working her way up step-by-step seat-by-seat throughout the entirety of Alaskas government, from city council representative, to governor, she has seen all sides of political strife and adversity, and tackled a wide variety of problems, both small and large. If a spoiled Yale-boy with little more experience than two terms as governor of Arkansas can give us such a great economy and carry our country's toughest desicions so well, then why can't a hard working-class mom with 5 kids who fought her way to the top, tooth and nail?

    • Posted By: basedrum777 @ 09/05/2008 4:02:58 PM

      Did you just compare 10 years as governor of Arkansas to 1.5 as governor of Alaska?

  • Posted By: Suji @ 09/05/2008 4:02:04 PM

    This is just a SHAME. America celebrating INDECENCY. Here is a WOMAN who believes in "ABSTINENCE',
    yet could not teach her daughter to abstain from SEX. A 18 yr old boy will get married to a 17 yr old girl. What does the 18yr old boy has to take care of his family. Would it be correct then, that this marriage is being forced on this little chap? All because of POLITICS??? Does America considers the boys opinion. The GOP is DEVIL's PARTY.

  • Posted By: F-B Dave @ 09/05/2008 3:55:44 PM

    Ummmm onepatriot are you alright over there? I think you need your medication. Here's the sign you need to look for- when you have your first Elvis sighting of the day, run for your pill bottle

    • Posted By: Old Joe @ 09/05/2008 3:58:42 PM

      probably won't notice Elvis... he's busy talking to God...

  • Posted By: EoD696 @ 09/05/2008 3:50:52 PM

    Palin is plenty qualified. Have you all forgotten about Bill Clinton's roots in the political industry? He was elected without opposition as attorney general for arkansas for two years(1976-1978), then became governor for ten years(1978-1988) in Arkansas. He was the youngest governor, and made alot of mistakes, but in his ten years he made alot of advancements in economic and educational growth for the state. Regardless, prior to his presidency, he had no national political experience whatsoever, except leading a failed presidential campaign in Texas in 1972. Now I don't doubt for a second any of you would praise the idea of having Clinton back in office, but if you're going to doubt Governor Palin based on her experience alone, I'd have to call you all hypocrites. Since 1992 Palin has been working her way up step-by-step seat-by-seat throughout the entirety of Alaskas government, from city council representative, to governor, she has seen all sides of political strife and adversity, and tackled a wide variety of problems, both small and large. If a spoiled Yale-boy with little more experience than two terms as governor of Arkansas can give us such a great economy and carry our country's toughest desicions so well, then why can't a hard working-class mom with 5 kids who fought her way to the top, tooth and nail?

  • Posted By: onepatriot @ 09/05/2008 3:46:09 PM

    The republican party has lost it's brand and will never find it for many years, McBushes speech shows the party grasping for straws and that he is a poor choice and his choise of vp is a disgrace to the party and to the women of this country. No one asked about the amount of people were at tne RNC on Thursday and how many tuned in to watch McBush talk his failure to talk issues.
    If this were a poker game He would bet the lives and the American people to trust a coward, no hero at all Check what his fellow POW's said about this make beleive hero really did as a POW, He is labiled as a traiter to thoes that served with him and know the truth, I trust these POW's, they were their, 32 Propagander films that McCain has had sealed so the country won't learn about his real cowardness, He is t true trator and if not for his daddy would be in prison today, like Bush commiting desertion, a coward to fight for his country when needed, and if you think the men and women of our military dont know you arn't in touch with the truth. Bushs daddy did fly a plain but he jumped out of it before letting his men get time to get out, another real man from the bush familey and if you want to learn more look into
    prescott Bush who worked with our enemy Hitler and did the banking for Germany during the war another Bush, don't trust me look it up your selves and now you want to beleive this McCain, The son of Cain, if you beleive in God you should know that he is the killer of his brother, can't be trusted no matter what he says, he's telling a lie. If you can't hear it or feel it or see through it, you are not really paying attention.

    • Posted By: Old Joe @ 09/05/2008 3:50:41 PM

      "The son of Cain, if you beleive (sic) in God you should know that he is the killer of his brother, can't be trusted no matter what he says, he's telling a lie.".. Righto! Let's bring God into this! I forget- is God a Democrat or a Republican?

    • Posted By: F-B Dave @ 09/05/2008 3:50:34 PM

      Ummmm I think you need your medication. Here's the sign you need to look for- when you have your first Elvis sighting of the day, run for your pill bottle

  • Posted By: dolfina @ 09/05/2008 2:48:18 PM

    Someone needs to remind Mrs. Palin that Jesus Christ was a community organizer and Pontius Pilate was a governor!

    • Posted By: ari122 @ 09/05/2008 3:19:16 PM

      YES! Other notable "community organizers" include Ghandi, Jane Adams, Martin Luther King, Gloria Steniem, the Women's Suffrage movement, Harriet Tubman and even college students protesting the war in the 60's....to name a few. These were heroes that took risk to organize their communities because the government was not protecting their interests. If it were not for the "community organizers" - children would be working in sweat shops, slavery would still be legal, and women would be relegated to the kitchen. But maybe Palin was endorsing the notion that government should continue to ignore social ills and injustice. After all, they don't seem to feel the pain of americans workers that are unemployed, can't afford gas to drive or heat their houses this winter, have no health insurance or who are losing their homes to foreclosures. Hey, we need some more community organizing!

      • Posted By: RavenMaven @ 09/05/2008 3:39:29 PM

        "YES! Other notable "community organizers" include Ghandi, Jane Adams, Martin Luther King, Gloria Steniem, the Women's Suffrage movement, Harriet Tubman and even college students protesting the war in the 60's....to name a few." none of which were qualified to be the president of the united states in 2008.

        • Posted By: ari122 @ 09/05/2008 3:47:21 PM

          Clueless, just my point. People organize their communities because their governments turn a blind eye or is clueless to what is happening. This woman mocked this process of democracy... I won't even go into the finer points because you probably won't get it.

    • Posted By: RavenMaven @ 09/05/2008 3:26:13 PM

      Someone needs to remind you that Jesus was the Son of God and not a politician.

  • Posted By: Tim in Alaska @ 09/05/2008 3:41:01 PM

    The polar bear issue could easily be fixed by using a portion of the outer continental shelf lease sale proceeds to contract with the local coastal Alaska Native village corporations to build a series of small rock islands 20 miles apart out into the very shallow Chuckchi Sea where these magnificent creatures live.

    • Posted By: Old Joe @ 09/05/2008 3:45:31 PM

      Now THAT's an imaginative and interesting proposal. Why don't YOU run for something? You might be a whole lot better than what we've got now!

  • Posted By: Tim in Alaska @ 09/05/2008 3:34:46 PM

    Ms. Clift, like many others, continues to underestimate Sarah Palin by assuming she has nothing to offer beyond a pretty face, a compelling personal story and a gift for public speaking.

    In fact, Palin is deeply committed to building the largest construction project ever in North America, a pipeline to transport Alaska's nearly limitless supply of natural gas to the Midwest to reduce its energy costs, build its feedstock and petrochemical industries, and re-energize its factories.

    This is why I believe McCain/Palin will carry Ohio and Michigan and win the election, and that she will be an effective Vice President if for no other reason than that she will finish the job she started as Alaska Governor of getting the Alaska Gas Pipeline built.

    And it would be a mistake to think this is merely a short-term regional issue. In the big scheme of things, Europe has to buy its natural gas from Russia, at whatever price Russia asks. By contrast, we in the U.S. have enough Alaska natural gas to supply ourselves for many decades to come, if we are wise enough to invest in the capital infrastructure needed to transport it to where its needed. If we do, we will enjoy a long-term economic advantage over Europe, giving us a competitive edge for decades to come.

    For this reason I think Sarah Palin is the right person for the job as Vice President at this time.

    As a more general matter, based on her performance as Alaska Governor, I think she just as capable and qualified to step into the Presidency as the likes of Bill Clinton, George Bush, Barack Obama or anyone else.

    • Posted By: Old Joe @ 09/05/2008 3:42:57 PM

      "we in the U.S. have enough Alaska natural gas to supply ourselves for many decades to come"... a thoughtful commentary, even if I don't fully agree. That sounds pretty much like the same story we were sold re the oil pipeline. I do believe, though, that there are immense resources of natural gas in the Rocky Mountain shale deposits, and I think that maybe some compromises with the environmentalists would be a wise move. I completely agree with you regarding the danger of Russian leverage via energy supplies.

    • Posted By: basedrum777 @ 09/05/2008 3:37:38 PM

      Barack has come out for using Alaskan natural gas to help our oil issue. She even commended him for it before she was selected as VP.

  • Posted By: ari122 @ 09/05/2008 3:39:01 PM

    She did not improve McCain's odds in my opinion. Palin was deceptive, she talked a lot of trash, avoided discussing her own dubious record and proclaimed that she was a gun toting soccer mom. Were his odds that low? Managing one of the least populous states and a city of 7,000 does not qualify a person for VP. unless the only qualification is a warm body next to the old man. I liken her to Dan Quayle and we know what that was like. I am a woman and I am not impressed. After seeing her, I went online and made my first donation to Obama.

  • Posted By: F-B Dave @ 09/05/2008 3:19:44 PM

    Let me see... I worked my way up from nothing, working full time all the way through college- no loans. My father was a blue-collar steel worker and we lived paycheck to paycheck. I went to graduate school, no loans, working full time. I taught as a T/A at the university. I joined a company whose annual sales were 3.4 million and in the succeeding 5 years as GM, the company is now grossing 11 mil a year. I have traveled abroad to Israel, Canada, South America, and most states.. I worked on 2 different presidential campaigns and have spoken publicly for years, working closely with law enforcement and the DARE initiative. I am .... 36 years old and would NEVER consider myself qualified for President of the USA!

    • Posted By: basedrum777 @ 09/05/2008 3:29:39 PM

      I don't see where you spent 8 years in a state Senate or 4 years in the U.S. Senate. But i guess 12 years in politics is nothing compared to running a city of 8,000 (wth $24 million in earmarks) or a state of roughly 450k people, where corrupt Republicans are the norm for 1.5 years

      • Posted By: F-B Dave @ 09/05/2008 3:38:12 PM

        No but I have WORKED in the state assembly and personally interviewed several representatives in Ohio & Pennsylvania, and I can tell you the secretaries in most offices are more capable of being president than most representatives. Hold on, I'm sorry, one of my corrupt republican cronies is calling, I have to take this call because we are going to discuss raising the price of crude oil.

  • Posted By: josemarti @ 09/05/2008 2:49:53 PM

    Eleanor. That is no woman your boy is now facing. That is the grey eyed Greek goddess Palin Athena in full armor. She will lead us to victory.

    • Posted By: labman57 @ 09/05/2008 3:37:50 PM

      Oh boy, here he goes again. I told you to put away your comic books and go to bed!

  • Posted By: akottler @ 09/05/2008 2:44:58 PM

    Anyone who compares Palin's readiness to lead this country to Obama's is in a sad state of denial. Please go watch Obama's interview with Bill O'Reilly on youtube, and you will see how versed on the issues he is, and how he is able to confidently go toe to toe with today's leading conservative voice. Sarah Palin is being shielded from the media because she is not ready to handle the media. She would get eaten alive. If she was so wonderful, they would unleash her, but they know she is not. The Republicans clearly thirst after a rock star after watching the Obama phenomenon, but she will prove unable to live up to the image that is being bestowed upon her. Sometimes it is difficult to get beyond our own idealism in order to get to the truth. All supporters of Obama have learned at some point that he is just a man, with flaws, and not a god or a savior. I think he's a smart man, and a man that will strive to be honest, but beyond that, most of us see that he is not a rock star but a very valid choice for the Presidency of the United States. I implore Republicans to own up to the very obvious fact that Sarah Palin is not a valid choice for President of the United States. To not admit this is irresponsible, and to compare her pedigree to Obama's is downright delusional.

    • Posted By: RavenMaven @ 09/05/2008 3:37:10 PM

      I could not disagree more. You are seduced by the eloquence of his delivery to the point that you do not realize that he can not actually do what he is saying. That is far more dangerous my friend. He is in no way ready to lead a country. If you were a hiring manager at your company, and an applicant came to you with no resume at all, but just sounded good would you hire him for a job where he would control every facet of your company's success or failure?

  • Posted By: Charliemudcat @ 09/05/2008 3:34:54 PM

    Hunter Poster re: polar bears, you're wrong. Go here:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/08/AR2007090800363.html

  • Posted By: Charliemudcat @ 09/05/2008 3:33:57 PM

    Regarding polar bears, the hunter commenting here is wrong. Go here:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/08/AR2007090800363.html

  • Posted By: nyctuber @ 09/05/2008 2:03:32 PM

    I disagree with the notion that the Palin choice makes it harder for Obama to characterize McCain as more of the same. Just the opposite, in fact. Palin is THE most extremist Religious Right 'true believer' he could have possibly found. Palin and her smirky demeanor is a shining testament to the fact that the GOP is 100% sold out to the Religious Right.. It's all they've got left, in light of the fact that McCain has spent the last 8 years doing policy 180's in order to fall in line with the Neocons. The cherry on top is the absurd notion that they are now somehow agents of 'change.' Absolutely amazing.

    • Posted By: RavenMaven @ 09/05/2008 2:18:05 PM

      You have to realize that at least half the country falls into the "religous right" that you characterize as if it were some kind of affliction. Maybe, just maybe, you are wrong and those 150 million people are "Right"!

      • Posted By: nyctuber @ 09/05/2008 3:30:53 PM

        It absolutely is an affliction, Religion pulling the strings of Government always has and always will be. Think about the fact that GW Bush killed/crippled Stem Cell funding, even though the vast majority of Americans were in favor of it, because he is beholden to the Religious Right. And gays can't get married because the Bible says so. It's pathetic.

      • Posted By: basedrum777 @ 09/05/2008 3:03:13 PM

        If you were right in that at least half of the country was "religous right" than we woulnd't have a democracy anymore because the Republicans sold their souls to that group a long time ago. It would simply be one republican after another.

  • Posted By: josemarti @ 09/05/2008 3:24:09 PM

    Barry. Don't old hobbitt Mccain was talking about his scars last night and implying that you don't have any. Why don't you show us the scars on you nasal septum? Got any scars on your knees from playing basketball? Any blisters on your lips from kissing the fondillo of Mr. and Mrs. X in Chicago?

    • Posted By: Old Joe @ 09/05/2008 3:27:34 PM

      Another erudite Republican. And we let these folks vote?

  • Posted By: jamesreid @ 09/05/2008 3:27:01 PM

    Elephants may not forget, but republicans readily do - like why they didn't support John McCain in 2000. I believe that because he is reckless, forgetfull and ill-informed McCain will make a WORSE president than George W. Bush. You cannot turn back time. We need leadership for the 21st Century - McCain can't even organize his own campaign , and then Palin? http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-oe-steinem4-2008sep04,0,1290251.story

  • Posted By: Texan to da Bone @ 09/05/2008 3:23:46 PM

    Eleanor,
    Please go find some real facts to quote instead of algore and the trash movie he put out. Facts are that the Polar Bears have been increasing in population for the last 40 years, coincidentally since sport hunting was reestablished and the Bears became a source of revenue instead of a nuecience to the Inuit hunters. The lack of Ice may actually be helping them. I know you just FEEL for that poor polar bear having to swim so far. They are actually classifyied as a Marine Animal. What a bunch of Tripe. I can't believe you make a living writing.

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