What Hillary Should Say Now

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  • Posted By: thisisreality @ 09/06/2008 6:13:39 PM

    YES! Thank you for this! This is exactly how I have been feeling and what I have been thinking. How dare the Republicans--or any party--think that women will vote for their party simply because the veep candidate happens to be a woman. It is cheap, and she is being used--and she is complicit in that. As I read on another site, she is hooker to McCain's pimp. Harsh, but true.

  • Posted By: Sarahh @ 09/06/2008 6:09:32 PM

    another

    "For all the weighty material, Mr. Obama had a disarming touch. He did not belittle students; instead he drew them out, restating and polishing halting answers, students recall. In one class on race, he imitated the way clueless white people talked. ???Why are your friends at the housing projects shooting each other???? he asked in a mock-innocent voice.

    A favorite theme, said Salil Mehra, now a law professor at Temple University, were the values and cultural touchstones that Americans share. Mr. Obama???s case in point: his wife, Michelle, a black woman, loved ???The Brady Bunch??? so much that she could identify every episode by its opening shots.

    As his reputation for frank, exciting discussion spread, enrollment in his classes swelled. Most scores on his teaching evaluations were positive to superlative. Some students started referring to themselves as his groupies. (Mr. Obama, in turn, could play the star. In what even some fans saw as self-absorption, Mr. Obama???s hypothetical cases occasionally featured himself. ???Take Barack Obama, there???s a good-looking guy,??? he would introduce a twisty legal case.)

    Challenging Assumptions

    Liberals flocked to his classes, seeking refuge. After all, the professor was a progressive politician who backed child care subsidies and laws against racial profiling, and in a 1996 interview with the school newspaper sounded skeptical of President Bill Clinton???s efforts to reach across the aisle.

    ???On the national level, bipartisanship usually means Democrats ignore the needs of the poor and abandon the idea that government can play a role in issues of poverty, race discrimination, sex discrimination or environmental protection,??? Mr. Obama said.

    But the liberal students did not necessarily find reassurance. ???For people who thought they were getting a doctrinal, rah-rah experience, it wasn???t that kind of class,??? said D. Daniel Sokol, a former student who now teaches law at the University of Florida at Gainesville.

    For one thing, Mr. Obama???s courses chronicled the failure of liberal policies and court-led efforts at social change: the Reconstruction-era amendments that were rendered meaningless by a century of resistance, the way the triumph of Brown gave way to fights over busing, the voting rights laws that crowded blacks into as few districts as possible. He was wary of noble theories, students say; instead, they call Mr. Obama a contextualist, willing to look past legal niceties to get results.

    For another, Mr. Obama liked to provoke. He wanted his charges to try arguing that life was better under segregation, that black people were better athletes than white ones.

    ???I remember thinking, ???You???re offending my liberal instincts,??? ??? Mary Ellen Callahan, now a privacy lawyer in Washington, recalled."

  • Posted By: Sarahh @ 09/06/2008 6:05:19 PM


    another excerpt

    "At the school, Mr. Obama taught three courses, ascending to senior lecturer, a title otherwise carried only by a few federal judges. His most traditional course was in the due process and equal protection areas of constitutional law. His voting rights class traced the evolution of election law, from the disenfranchisement of blacks to contemporary debates over districting and campaign finance. Mr. Obama was so interested in the subject that he helped Richard Pildes, a professor at New York University, develop a leading casebook in the field."

  • Posted By: jamiejul @ 09/06/2008 6:04:40 PM

    Formillers: I think you sound like an idiot...I think Irish1863 made a fine point and so have many others and you take things out of context. Also you put too many words into a sentence to make yourself sound smart.

  • Posted By: TX RN @ 09/06/2008 6:03:57 PM

    As a former Democrat, it is obvious that the Democratic party has allowed the "good-old boys club" to prevail. Hillary sorry you last but part of it was your own fault for not taking on the Democratic leadership and pushing Obama's inexperience.
    Enjoy your vacation, but be ready to take on Sarah Palin in 4 years.

  • Posted By: deeppeace @ 09/06/2008 6:03:18 PM

    Hey, 4gates23, she said nothing at all bad about Sen. Clinton. Read the piece again so you're sure YOU know what you're talking about.

  • Posted By: FJRinLA @ 09/06/2008 6:03:15 PM

    I love this piece.
    I think it puts not only Hillary, but her DEM female supporters on the hotseat to rescue the country during this campaign from four more years of right-wing rule.

    Hillary and her legions put themselves and all of us there by playing the "gender" card so masterfully to prolong a campaign that Hillary lost in IOWA and rescued with tears in NH and finally won meaningless primaries with gender-baiting, attacks on Obama and the media....sound familiar.

    So the REPS just took Hillary's tactics to its logical extension and by doing so, have really challenged all the women of America in a similar way that Hillary challenged DEM women in Denver. (Were you doing this for me or were you doing this for real). All women in America now must be confronted with a similar conundrum as exquisitely presented by the author of this article. Is the typical American woman willing to put gender ahead of her agenda.....her family's agenda, her children's agenda, her country's agenda, this planet's agenda?

    I wouldn't think so, but I've been wrong many times and the REPS have kept winning the White House, so they clearly know something I don't. So we'll see.

  • Posted By: FJRinLA @ 09/06/2008 6:01:24 PM

    I love this piece.
    I think it puts not only Hillary, but her DEM female supporters on the hotseat to rescue the country during this campaign from four more years of right-wing rule.

    Hillary and her legions put themselves and all of us there by playing the "gender" card so masterfully to prolong a campaign that Hillary lost in IOWA and rescued with tears in NH and finally won meaningless primaries with gender-baiting, attacks on Obama and the media....sound familiar.

    So the REPS just took Hillary's tactics to its logical extension and by doing so, have really challenged all the women of America in a similar way that Hillary challenged DEM women in Denver. (Were you doing this for me or were you doing this for real). All women in America now must be confronted with a similar conundrum as exquisitely presented by the author of this article. Is the typical American woman willing to put gender ahead of her agenda.....her family's agenda, her children's agenda, her country's agenda, this planet's agenda?

    I wouldn't think so, but I've been wrong many times and the REPS have kept winning the White House, so they clearly know something I don't. So we'll see.

  • Posted By: cyndilu9 @ 09/06/2008 3:15:17 PM

    Sarah Palin is a fraud - along with John McCain who gave in to the Bush Administration and their idiotic plan (or lack thereof) for this country! We need America back.....Obama / Biden is the answer. Smart people know that. Sarah is a stuffed suit - and I can't wait until they take the script away and she has to answer a few quesitons. Republicans are so eager to elect a woman who has had NO passport until last year?? IT figures. We have to get the Republicans out and fast. Hillary - we need your help !!!!

    • Posted By: 'BamaforObama' @ 09/06/2008 6:00:59 PM

      Amen! And I'm sure we will not EVER see Hillary bat her eyelashes and wink at her audience. Give Me A Break. Can't wait to hear Palin answer the critical questions of today without a script. And why is it always McCain/Palin together? Do the Republicans not trust Ms. - whoops - I'm sure she'd prefer "Mrs." Palin, by herself on the campaign trail? I think not. It scares the bejesus out of me to think that she will be - if elected heaven forbid- a heartbeat away from being our president. What a fiasco that would be. I can't bear to think of it. Biden on the other hand, could step right in if need be. He's 'been there, done that'. Please, just think this through.

  • Posted By: calgal1964 @ 09/06/2008 5:34:03 PM

    Great letter, I hope she reads it and will follow your suggestions.
    You know, I am the same age as Sarah Palin, I have 5 kids one special needs but he is turning 12, I am a working mom, middle class (as of yesterday's bank balance, I maybe hitting lower income any minute now). I cannot imagine how she will go it. She must have a great support system because I can barily find the time to do my hair much less run for public office.
    One comment which is being made recently by the right is a bit opposite of what I would expect. Isn't traditional family values centered around the mother being home to raise the children? That has always been the argument made to me when i decided to go back to work. Why is it there is a change in that view?
    also, I though the right looked down on pre-marital sex and if a woman /girl became pg out of wedlock it was a shame and an embarrassement to the family and to god? it seems as though the right has come to see things a little to the left these days.
    Also, as a mother to a special needs child I realize the amount of dedication and the amount of time it takes to care for a disabled child. Down syndrom children can be anywhere on the spectrum and she has no idea how her son will be . As a mother her first duty is to her child. Being a mother is the most important job a woman can have and the most important thing we do as woman. Amazing, that comment is comming from a democrate who is raising her daughters to be strong independent woman who can do anything they want in life and do it just as good as a man if not better. But then a man can't be a mommy either!

    Oh and did Imention, as Sarah Palin looked into the camara and said she would be an advocate in washington for the special needs parents? Well, that feeling really should have began as being governor of Alaska, the state she cut special ed funding by 62%! Some advocate!

    Let the bashing begin!

    • Posted By: LMAO @ 09/06/2008 5:59:19 PM

      And just maybe Obama's message of Hope & Change and "Yes we Can" should have started with the black folks in Rev. Wright church. After all based on the racist anf ill informed ideas emerging from a place he called home for 20 years is quite telling. In short he presided over the self destruction of the black community and did not lift a finger to provide them with a postive message instead of rabid hatred for folks who have gotten up and helped themselves.

      Yes let us bring out all the real issues on the table instead of hiding from what is in front of our faces.

  • Posted By: stepfordmom @ 09/06/2008 5:59:08 PM

    Am I to assume Patti is a vegan? She may not see toughness in a woman hunting but let's face it, we all have to eat and for those of use who are omnivores, it does involved the death of an animal of some sort.

    Oh, wait!! I get it!!! Us girls are supposed to be afraid to do the hard things and get all of life handed to us in sanitized little packages with no effort or hardship on our part. Everything from our food to our children, at our convenience.

    As I always say, I'll never understand the moral compass of a party who will chain themselves to a tree, jump in front of a bullet to save a bunny and yet still think it is okay to vaccuum the brains out of an unborn child.

    Go go Patti, take the easy path in life...we all know where that leads...

  • Posted By: jillbobeep @ 09/06/2008 4:49:00 PM

    You somehow have selectively chosen to willingly forget the zingers, snippy, rudeness, snarkiness, sarcasm remarks and lack of respect that Hillary had towards Oboma?

    • Posted By: JustAThough2008 @ 09/06/2008 5:58:49 PM

      Why don't you dig them out and post them? I recall that they debated each other and it was an intense competition but it was a lot more respectful of each other than Palin's remarks.

  • Posted By: hitobito @ 09/06/2008 5:56:41 PM

    Beautiful, eloquent and well written! Hillary Clinton can change the national election. I hope she joins the fray. The country needs her strength, support and intelligence! The women of this country need her toughness now!

  • Posted By: hoosiergal49 @ 09/06/2008 5:27:20 PM

    If the Obama campaign thinks that they are going to get any help from Hillary Clinton they are mistaken. This woman is all about her and always has been. Whenever you need someone to speak out she is never there. She obviously wants Obama to lose so she can try again in 2012. Obama campaign please get some other high profile surrogates out there pronto. Do not wait for Hillary because it is obvious she is not going to step up to the plate and help the Democrats because she is not the nominee.

    • Posted By: 4gates23 @ 09/06/2008 5:55:43 PM

      News Flash! Hillary will be campaigning in Florida on Monday. How about that! Before you speak ill of someone, make sure you know what your are talking about.

  • Posted By: ELC3 @ 09/06/2008 5:55:25 PM

    Your article deftly over-emphasizes Palin's "hunter-gatherer" skills and eloquently under-emphasises her mothering qualities -- those same qualities for which you are such an ardent apologist. And for some reason, when Palin talks about Obama's lack of executive experience, it's "snippy", but when Obama says that McCain "doesn't get it", that's OK?

    Excuse me.

  • Posted By: dr j @ 09/06/2008 4:54:38 PM

    I am a great grand mother ,born again spirit filled christian ,pro lifer and an Obamacan,I am voting for Obama
    I agree with this letter. gov palin came off as rudeness,snarkiness and sacasam.A pit bull with lips stick is still a pit bull. and most of her claims were lies. every tv station in jax fla carried the gop convention that why there numbers were higher . lies,lies you can go to hell for lies just like you can fro anything else.

    • Posted By: jillbobeep @ 09/06/2008 5:11:23 PM

      Dr J, a pro lifer and a Obama supporter can not if you believe the Bible is the inspired inerrant Word of God be joined together. You might wantto take a look at his voting record... at least when he was there.

      • Posted By: JustAThough2008 @ 09/06/2008 5:55:15 PM

        drj - I LOVE your comments! Thanks! You totally rock...

    • Posted By: JustAThough2008 @ 09/06/2008 5:54:34 PM

      I LOVE this posting! Thanks!

  • Posted By: JustAThough2008 @ 09/06/2008 5:46:18 PM

    This is very well written and beautifully expressed. The writer, Ronald Reagan's daughter, certainly speaks for me. As to "liberal media bias..." isn't it about time that the conservative media establishment owned their superiority in controlling the media and dropped this pretense of being the underdog? The media I read is still pre-occupied with good journalism and representing all perspectives (this is the OPINION section, BTW, and MSNBC has featured many different columnists here) while the Murdoch-run media empire only illustrates the liberal perspective when it represents an opportunity for the Fox News stooges to verbally beat up on the speaker.

  • Posted By: SLEEPLESSININDY @ 09/06/2008 5:41:32 PM

    Yes, I hope Hillary will, through a reasoned message which she is so capable of, communicate how wrong this person is for American women and America in general. I must say though, why is any American surprised by the Republican's choice of Palin? After all, it's the party who gave us that renowned intellectual featherweight George W. Bush. Americans who vote with their bibles in hand have consistently demonstrated that they don't really care what their man or women in office does - immoral, amoral, etc. - as long as they receive their regular dose of religious lip service.

    While we don't know as much as we would like about Obama, we do know enough about John McCain and Palin to vote for the Obama ??? Biden ticket to prevent a repeat of the last eight years wherein America was grievously wounded at home and abroad by the leadership of the Republican Party. Yes, Hillary, give her hell!

    And, for all of those out there who are backing off because Obama said, ???leave her family out of it???, he didn???t mean you dummy. Now is not the time to be cowed by sacred cows. She put herself in the position she is in, a very public place, and can easily be skewered by her position and record on abortion, the environment, ethics, her claim to being a maverick, her relationship to big business, her religious views, etc. ??? all of which are fair game. Imagine her getting the call at 2:00 A.M. in the morning. I could have been very comfortable with Hillary getting that call, and now am with Obama ??? but this right-wing bible thumping ?????????, thanks, but no thanks! America doesn???t need any more self-righteous hypocrites making our future any darker than it already has become under the Bush administration and Republican Congress.

  • Posted By: cfap92 @ 09/06/2008 5:40:52 PM

    Could Sarah Palin be even more appealing to Hillary's male voters than Hillary - or Obama? And could that have been the idea all along? Seems to me that blue collar men could, and maybe should, be the swing voters this time....just asking...

  • Posted By: annebeck @ 09/06/2008 5:39:30 PM

    I understand that the Democratic party is hoping (beyond hope?) that you will come out against Sarah Palin and I truly do hope, myself, that you will NOT. Yes, a year ago, when people were buzzing about your potential race to the white-house, I had a sinking feeling that there was NO way any American public would allow for it. I had no idea that the DEMOCRATS, would hold and foist upon us such misobynistic views and oust the person with the more popular votes only because she was a woman. It has me completely frustrated and, if Sarah Palin is given the same treatment that Howard Dean, et al, have beccome so proficient at, we may never see a female president in my lifetime or even that of my young-adult childres. Am I concerned that John MCCain has chosen a woman as his runnning mate? I followed all sides of this election process and I noted that both Palin AND Sebelius were high-up on the "McCain" short list for veep and, so, I decided to inform myself about both women, along with other potential mates. Though I would have preferred Sebelius (or, against all odds, YOU) as his veep, I have found that this "liberal, incependent voter" can get behind McCain. Surely, I appreciate both candidates' experience over that of Barack Obama! Biden MAY be able to help Obama along, were Obama to actually win the seat, but (and it's a big but) Obama would have to open himself up and actually LISTEN TO SOMEONE OTHER THAN HIMSELF. Obama is not the type of man to do this and, so, he is doomed to fail in position as President-- just as he has failed as senator and "community organiser". His organising seems to have been much more geared for the financial gain of the slumlord, Rezko, thsn it was a positive thing for any poor people in his city of Chicago. It's deplorable, how he operates.
    With all that is known (by those like me who actually do their homework) about Obama, there's not one thing that anyone wuld now way which could cause me to vote for him. Had YOU been his veep pick, I would have had to vote against you.
    Now, I thought for all of these months, as I realised that the fix was in for Obama, I could still write-in YOUR name as my presidential pick. I realise now that I cannot do that. My one vote is too precious for me to essentially throw it away only to make a point. So, you will not get it this time.
    But, Hillary; I want to be able to vote for you in the (very near) future. And, I want for the American people, as a whole, to finally be okay with a woman in the white-house. It seems to me that getting Sarah Palin elected with John McCain may be the only thing I can do to ease the country's collective worries and bigotries as far as this is concerned. So, with a lighter heart, I am supporting McCain/Palin..., and I hope you will, too.
    At the very least, I hope you will not campaign against Palin as she is, first and foremost, a woman. And, Hilary, women should and certainly DO count.

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