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Georgian Army, American Made

U.S. officials tried to build a force that could not stand up to Russia, but now they may have to.

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  • Posted By: Glenno @ 10/01/2008 7:03:30 PM

    Why did America prepare Georgia for a war? Read your own politicians books like Brzezinski. The goal is to encircle and contain Russia, to make sure it can not be a regional power to threaten american global dominance. America did it for the same reason America is expanding Nato, building missile shield and staging coups in Ukraine and Georgia.
    America should be careful about arming Georgia again because next time you will not only slaughter Ossetian civilians and russian peace keepers, you will also kill a lot of EU peace keepers

  • Posted By: budda-I @ 09/08/2008 6:47:35 AM

    System7wrote: I think the USA trained the Georgian army to kill people of S.Ossetia and Abkhazia. Let's create a basis for peace in Georgia, Russia, and the USA
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    What is US to decide who must die or live? Is US deputies of Lord?

  • Posted By: streetwise @ 09/10/2008 11:05:17 AM

    Let's put it clear: 1, USA did NOT prepare georgian forces for a conventional war (and if so, for what ?), let alone for a war against Russia . 2, Sakashvili knew about it it (or not ?) . 3, knowing it, Sakashvili has attacked a region linked to Russia 8let alon the fact hat she attacked pro-russian CIVILIAN targets), triggering a sure-fire military reaction from Russia...Is it so ?
    And that incredibile fool has still a job ?

  • Posted By: nawawimohamad @ 09/10/2008 4:17:06 AM

    It would be foolish for the Georgians to believe that the US is their saviour! The US can not even defeat the ragtag Talibans and have not been able to win in Iraq against the few insurgents. How can the US protect Georgia? The US is more interested in intimidating Russia, the oil pipelines and not interested in the welfare of the Georgians! It is better for Georgia to live in peace and give the due respect to Russia which is also its neighbour. Georgians must wake up and realise that the main problem is Saakasvilli who is working for the US before it is too late. Georgians must learn from the people of Thailand; topple the government by peaceful sit-ins and demonstrations. Then Georgia should join the non-alliance group.

  • Posted By: lilinha @ 09/09/2008 2:27:44 PM

    I think U.S isn't the solution. The Russian/ Georgian 'people could think different and take for theself the force to keep going.

  • Posted By: maratkhan @ 09/08/2008 11:20:23 PM

    Russia is not the Soviet Union, and despite widespread western believes has pretty lively fast growing capitalist economy; therefore, there is no ideological confrontation. Yes, historically Russian Empire has been built and expanded by absorption of other nations, but there is no reason to expand more. Yes, USSR put troops to Hungary and Chekoslovakia, but for purely ideological reasons to contain uprising against communist rule not to annex their territories. Occupation of Auganistan was also in response to perceived thread from the US on Southern direction, again not to annex. These ideological causes have long gone, Russia is just another capitalist society with its own version of democracy (and who is being the perfect golden standard? US? After Gitmo, CIA prisons, domestic spying - I don't think so). Why would Russians want to occupy Poland, for example, is beyond me. Notice that Russian Army did not go to take over Tbilisy although it easily could have. You, Europeans, should be particularly ashamed of throwing piles of dirt towards Russia simply because it was Russia (and US of course) who saved your butts from Nazis with extraordinary sacrifice (remember, 80% of German divisions were destroyed on Eastern Front -- or maybe it was also "unproportional use of force?"). So, relax and just let Russia be and everybody will benefit. Otherwise, Russian Bear will attacked when cornered, and don't be mistaken, Russia will never give up fighting Europe and will, and I am pretty sure in this, as I am Russian myself will use tactical nuclear weapons and if not enough strategic weapons against Europe as well. And I don't think the US will get involved on the European side as the US population here including myself will demand neutrality of the US since nobody will want to loose everything -- treasure and families -- over some nutty european war. You may say that so will Russians, but I'm afraid Russian will sacrifice half of its population just to defeat the enemy -- its a very proud people. So, lets have our heads cool, quite down the rhetoric and let the Russian Bear go back into its den, so that my children here in US could have a chance to grow up.

  • Posted By: maratkhan @ 09/08/2008 11:19:42 PM

    Russia is not the Soviet Union, and despite widespread western believes has pretty lively fast growing capitalist economy; therefore, there is no ideological confrontation. Yes, historically Russian Empire has been built and expanded by absorption of other nations, but there is no reason to expand more. Yes, USSR put troops to Hungary and Chekoslovakia, but for purely ideological reasons to contain uprising against communist rule not to annex their territories. Occupation of Auganistan was also in response to perceived thread from the US on Southern direction, again not to annex. These ideological causes have long gone, Russia is just another capitalist society with its own version of democracy (and who is being the perfect golden standard? US? After Gitmo, CIA prisons, domestic spying - I don't think so). Why would Russians want to occupy Poland, for example, is beyond me. Notice that Russian Army did not go to take over Tbilisy although it easily could have. You, Europeans, should be particularly ashamed of throwing piles of dirt towards Russia simply because it was Russia (and US of course) who saved you from Nazis with its extraordinary sacrifice (remember, 80% of German divisions were destroyed on Eastern Front -- or maybe it was also "unproportional use of force?"). So, relax and just let Russia be and everybody will benefit. Otherwise, Russian Bear will attacked when cornered, and don't be mistaken, Russia will never give up fighting Europe and will, and I am sure inn this, will use first tactical nuclear weapons and if not enough strategic weapons against Europe as well. And don't expect that the US will get involved on the European side; It never will as US population will demand neutrality of the US since we have so much prosperity here to loose it all over some nutty european war.

  • Posted By: poirot @ 09/08/2008 7:13:38 PM

    The defense needs should be formulated. What is the objective of Poland and Georgia? who is their enemy? If it is Russia then it should be said clearly. Otherwise all the talks about the abstract right to protect itself are meaningless. Niether Poland nor Gergia can wage a war aginst Russia. Becuase the nukes are there. The only country that can fight Russia is the United States, but it also will be on the verge of total annihilation. Poland and Gorgia can not wage a war, but they can try. And this puts everyone in a very dangerous position of becoming sudden victims of someones urges. The solution is not the creation or expancion of military blocks with overarming of the most eager members. I do not see where else Grogia is going to use it's force if not again S Ossetia and Abkhasia. The solution is in creation of the demilitarized zones, where the peace will be maintained thorough direct involvment and agreement of the most potent countries.

  • Posted By: Savo @ 09/08/2008 7:50:11 AM

    All these countries, like today Poland and Czech and may be tomorrow Georgia, are suddenly in a double win situation.
    Today they get from USA for free ABM shields worth $1bn each - tomorrow they will get from Russia, free of charge, rockets worth $2bn.

  • Posted By: Savo @ 09/08/2008 7:45:26 AM

    This article is fairly accurate but fails to explain:
    - why Georgia needs to waste the money (already $750m) on an inflated defense budget ?
    - Georgia can burn further $5bn on its military and they will not be able to resist Russia in a case of conflict ?
    - once the Saaky-boy is gone Georgia will have no reasons to pick fight with Russia.

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  • Posted By: System7 @ 09/07/2008 11:52:19 PM

    I agree that the USA didn't trained the Georgian army to beat Russia. I think the USA trained the Georgian army to kill people of S.Ossetia and Abkhazia. Let's create a basis for peace in Georgia, Russia, and the USA, not for a new war. Peace is much better.

  • Posted By: mskiba @ 09/06/2008 11:18:17 PM

    Great article for the most part. However one section of the article implies that Poland has been requesting US military upgrades as a result of the Russian-Georgian conflict. Truth is Poland has been asking the US for military upgrades since Tusk came into office as Prime Minister. Long before this conflict erupted. For the record Poland is playing it smart. Poland has nothing to fear from Iran for one and second hosting this shield makes Poland a target for Russian retailiation be it political,economic or military. The minimum the US can do is make it beneficial for Poland also and not just for the US.

  • Posted By: mskiba @ 09/06/2008 11:17:23 PM

    Great article for the most part. However one section of the article implies that Poland has been requesting US military upgrades as a result of the Russian-Georgian conflict. Truth is Poland has been asking the US for military upgrades since Tusk came into office as Prime Minister. Long before this conflict erupted. For the record Poland is playing it smart. Poland has nothing to fear from Iran for one and second hosting this shield makes Poland a target for Russian retailiation be it political,economic or military. The minimum the US can do is make it beneficial for Poland also and not just for the US.

  • Posted By: mskiba @ 09/06/2008 11:17:04 PM

    Great article for the most part. However one section of the article implies that Poland has been requesting US military upgrades as a result of the Russian-Georgian conflict. Truth is Poland has been asking the US for military upgrades since Tusk came into office as Prime Minister. Long before this conflict erupted. For the record Poland is playing it smart. Poland has nothing to fear from Iran for one and second hosting this shield makes Poland a target for Russian retailiation be it political,economic or military. The minimum the US can do is make it beneficial for Poland also and not just for the US.

  • Posted By: texjuanon @ 09/06/2008 8:55:51 PM

    If NATO is to fulfill its Article 5 obligations, then its defensive and counter-offensive capabilities ought to be structured on an international rather than a national basis. In other words, the essential military power and command of NATO ought to be centralized, deployed among the members with careful attention to strategic considerations, but capable of being relocated and focused upon a particular threat anywhere that threat may arise. Further, NATO forces ought to be deployed in such a manner as to counter-attack wherever an aggressor has left itself vulnerable by the redeployment of its forces against a particular member. Finally, in order to achieve great efficiency and effectiveness, NATO must avoid the redundancies and expenses that individual, nation-based forces would entail. Real and well thought-out cooperation among NATO members is more important than ever.

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