What Happened to Family Values?

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  • Posted By: snoozhe @ 09/07/2008 4:19:11 PM

    Mr. Weisberg's article does not tell the story of devastation and hurt caused by abortion. I took a friend and paid for her abortion when I was 21. Her parents offered to build a room on their house and let her have the child (and her mom would care for the child while she was in college) or facilitate an adoption. She chose abortion because she couldn't imagine dating with a child. I supported her and was I wrong. She got an infection caused by a dirty, legal, clinic in Nashville, TN. They said it would render her sterile (I haven't talked to her in years--so I'm not sure) and then she sunk into a sad life of promiscuity, drugs, and financial ruin. And my $200--it was blood money. My college roommate, her boyfriend "made" her have an abortion, then broke up with her--she was never able to have children. My other friend, aborted her child conceived from an affair, then mourned for 4 years while she tried to get pregnant with another child (she already had one child). Never once did I hear her call her now 10 month old child a fetus--it was a baby from 8 weeks in the womb. Yet, the one conceived by the affair--never a baby.

    Friends, this is not an easy issue--but there are so many families wanting to adopt and abortion, termination, "choice," these are not the best options for a pregnant teen. Note that Mr. Weisberg said 50% of teen marriages end up in divorce (the same statistic for all marriages), but 50% stay married. One of my best high school friends pregnant at 17 is still married to her high school sweetheart (25 years later) with 2 other children.

    I read these posts and hear so much hate and I'm not sure why. I don't hate any of you, though I disagree with you. Is there a chance for compassion on my side and yours? I love my friends that have had abortions just as I love my other friends, but their burden is a heavy one to bear.

    And I ask one last question, when any of you were expecting your first child--was is a baby or a fetus to you? This is a telling way to see the other side of us that are pro-life.

  • Posted By: Earlsdad @ 09/07/2008 2:28:00 PM

    Regarding "Princess Palin's choice to give birth to her youngest son (dignosed with Downs Syndrom prior to his birth): I have read several times that the "Princess" flew from Texas to Alaska AFTER her "water broke." I am just wondering if this was just POSSIBLY an attempt by her to self induce a miscarriage thus relieving her of the responsibility of either delivering the child or haviing the birth aborted. I have discussed this decision (flying from Texas to Alaska) with several women and having been asked the question, NONE of them could posit any other reason. IF another reason exists I am anxious to learn of it, Also, based upon my observations of how she interacted with the baby during the RNC, I was unable to detect physical displays of "mothering" (I have a Masters degree in Behavioral Psychology).
    NamVet67-69.

  • Posted By: techresmgt @ 09/07/2008 11:14:52 AM

    In the real world, too many mothers abort the unborn with no input (or parental rights) of the father. This article is not only one person's opinion, it is flawed, inaccurate, and horribly biased. If these mothers are not aborting the unborn, they are callously tossing them in garbage dumpsters while generally not being held criminally responsible. The sanctity of life? Far too many women have never heard of it. It's all about them, ad naseum.

    • Posted By: MAZees @ 09/07/2008 1:54:20 PM

      This assumes that most of these fathers want to be there and raise those children. Statistics of the large percentage of fatherless homes would belie that assumption.

  • Posted By: VicNel1 @ 09/07/2008 1:26:54 PM

    One hopes the American people are smarter then Mr. McCain hopes they are. The Alaskan Goveneors daugher will never know the sting of being a teenage mother, divorced after a few years with no support from family. The Christian right will hammer her the moment her mother does not live up to their standards of high moral standards. Many teenage girls are in poverty and alone because the GOP and Christian right will hammer them for being so careless to get pregnamt at such a young age.

  • Posted By: VicNel1 @ 09/07/2008 1:24:21 PM

    The GOP and Mr McCain and his complelety unqualifed Vice President are not only flip floppers, and swiftboaters, the will say anything to be elected. Statistics clearly indicated young teen mothers wihtout the father or parental support will live in poverty. Paulins daughter will never know the feeling of abandonment becaues she will be the Alaska Governors daughter. Miillions of other teenage girls will feel the sting of the right wing GOP Christian conservatives for alloiwng themselves to be such sluts to have premarital sex and deserves her circumstances. Oh, congratulations for not aborting that brat.

  • Posted By: Obums @ 09/06/2008 5:51:51 PM

    Nothing happened to family values, its all about a 17 year old having a baby out of wedlock, when the republicans do that is okay, but when it happens in the inn city, it will become a sin that will never be forgiven by God, because God is on the republicans side. The rest of us are going to hell fire.

    • Posted By: chrisphx66 @ 09/07/2008 1:18:41 PM

      Strange how it always works that way for them, doesn't it, Obums? I've been wondering why that is for years. I only hope that those poor Christians who are sincere in their beliefs eventually see that those people are just using them to get them to vote republican. McCain and palin obviously don't give a rat's ass about their values, but they know exactly what to say to get honest christians to vote for them. Then they turn their backs on them. Hopefully one day they'll see.

  • Posted By: neos @ 09/07/2008 12:31:48 PM

    I for one applaud the new republican stance on supporting out-of-wedlock pregnant girls. Just a few months ago, O'Reilly attacked the Spears family for their moral failure in "allowing' a teen pregnancy, but now he fully supports the Palins on the same issue. It shows great courage that conservatives can now admit that their previous holier-than-thou attitude was wrong and that all moral issues are not so black and white as they once depicted them to be.

  • Posted By: melbee1971 @ 09/07/2008 10:39:21 AM

    I'm a registered Republican and a high school teacher. Watching the ideals of conservatism tank into a pandering group of religious idealogues has been one of the most upsetting things I've witnessed in my adult life as an American citizen. There is no place for progressive, pro-choice conservatives in the Republican Party anymore. The voice of reason gets shouted down by extremism.

    The Palin family, like it or not, are symbolic of this hypocrisy. Shame on Sarah Palin for dragging her family into this national spotlight when they clearly have more pressing issues to deal with at home. As a MOTHER, she needs to re-think her priorities. Her AND her husband need to focus on the family for real, not just in front of the cameras.

    • Posted By: Tigerfish @ 09/07/2008 12:22:57 PM

      Sarah Palin placing her family before the media on her timing and terms was an absolutely necessary preemptive position before the media did it on their terms. Not shame on Sarah, shame on the media.....

  • Posted By: midnight05 @ 09/07/2008 11:38:12 AM

    She was given the choice to have an abortion or to give birth to her Down Syndrome baby. She would deny other women the same chioice.

  • Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 09/06/2008 2:46:34 PM

    Weisberg is a partisan hack [which means at NEWSWEAK,he is merely in good company]. Rather,consider the ''extreme''of allowing a fully-developed child to be removed from the uterus at the conclusion of the 3d trimester and then butchered,or worse,have its killing botched and allowed to suffer in a laundry hamper tossed away like common garbage.

    Who is the real ''extremist''here Jake?

    • Posted By: marksgershenson @ 09/07/2008 11:30:07 AM

      http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/kilkenny.asp

  • Posted By: Yes! We ALL Can @ 09/06/2008 8:47:37 PM

    TO THE MEDIA: PLEASE INTERVIEW SARAH PALIN AND FIND OUT WHO SHE IS. We, the American Public have a right to know where she stands on public policy and how she voted!! These stories are not coming out of nowhere!!

    Gov. Sarah Palin's church is promoting a conference that promises to convert gays into heterosexuals through the power of prayer.

    "You'll be encouraged by the power of God's love and His desire to transform the lives of those impacted by homosexuality," according to the insert in the bulletin of the Wasilla Bible Church, where Palin has prayed for about six years.

    Palin's conservative Christian views have energized that part of the GOP electorate, which was lukewarm to John McCain's candidacy before he named her as his vice presidential choice. She is staunchly anti-abortion, opposing exceptions for rape and incest, and opposes gay marriage and spousal rights for gay couples.

    Focus on the Family, a national Christian fundamentalist organization, is conducting the "Love Won Out" Conference in Anchorage, about 30 miles from Wasilla.

    Palin, campaigning with McCain in the Midwest on Friday, has not publicly expressed a view on the so-called "pray away the gay" movement. Larry Kroon, senior pastor at Palin's church, was not available to discuss the matter Friday, said a church worker who declined to give her name.

    • Posted By: marksgershenson @ 09/07/2008 11:28:22 AM

      you will like this...

      http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/kilkenny.asp

  • Posted By: thehappyamerican @ 09/07/2008 7:20:21 AM

    "politically damaging to the GOP?"
    Palin and her views have energized the GOP. For many Republicans the campaign season only started a few days ago (!) with Palin and her speach. the political damage is being sustained by the Liberals who have star power but no substance.

    • Posted By: marksgershenson @ 09/07/2008 11:27:02 AM

      http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/kilkenny.asp

    • Posted By: wmayes @ 09/07/2008 10:35:24 AM

      So is Palin running the show for the Republican ticket or is McCain? The Obama camp has used criticism to contrast itself from the McCain camp, but Palin's substance-less convention speech, just as all the others of that night, was just the usual aggressive, warmonging, nasty attack that we always get from Republicans.
      So if you are willing to vote for 4 more years of the Republican ideology that has caused us such economic distress, then you deserve whatever economic woes that befall you. Let go of your pride and partisan ego!!!!

    • Posted By: mccaincursingonyoutube @ 09/07/2008 9:46:54 AM

      She is not credible. If you peel back the onion, lie are exposed. I don't want
      anything from Palin except for her to go back to Alaska. She is being touted for
      things that are not true......sold the jet on Ebay - didn't happen, was against
      the "bridge to nowhere", was actually for it - then against it - NOW the money
      is kept in Alaska and being spent for a roadway approaching the now not built -
      "road to nowhre". She took a small town of 8000 and left them with over $1
      million in debts. She did manage to get $23 million of American's tax dollars
      for that little town over a couple of years. She hired a Lobbyist in Washington
      to do this. How many of us live in little towns that got no money at all back
      from the taxes we paid? Who did she know who taught her how to finagle the
      system and get monies that were not needed nor fair to the rest of us Americans?
      Do we really want a person(woman)like this running our country? Will only her
      friends get the perks......a continuence of the last eight years. No
      way!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Posted By: marksgershenson @ 09/07/2008 11:26:43 AM

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/kilkenny.asp

  • Posted By: BRM@ @ 09/07/2008 10:34:25 AM

    Agreed. This is not a clean cut issue, but I believe that if a woman is determined enough, she will FIND a way to end the pregnancy. legal or not.

  • Posted By: audrey85 @ 09/06/2008 9:38:15 PM

    Family values are important when its the Republicans standing in moral judgment against everyone else. I am shocked that the media went after the Clintons, the Obamas, even the Kerrys but Sarah Palin is off limits. Not too long ago, the Republicans said Hillary Clinton has a habit of retreating and whining about being mistreated because of her gender and now they want to cry sexism. I am sorry, no disrespect to the child, but this isn't a role model for my young daughters or nieces or nephews for that matter. The trickery has started. McCain succeeded in covering up his own POW records, his being an adultery and womanizer, and now his people are in Alaska trying to badger the State in covering up Sarah Palin's woes. They should have taken care of this matter before selecting her. Double standard america, isn't it funny the moral majority wants an opportunity to screw us even more by electing this man and this woman to the 2 highest positions in the country. They are trying to instill fear by telling lies, using the sarcasm, and working to blind side the American people by pointing out this man is Black. Well contrary to popular belief, a lot of community organizers are white, lawyers, doctors, financial people. Honorable hard work for scraps for pay. I trust the community organizer more than I would the party that got us in this mess in the first place. WAKE UP AMERICA.

    • Posted By: mccaincursingonyoutube @ 09/07/2008 10:01:24 AM

      I know he was the 5th from last of his graduating class in the Naval Academy, but what do you mean when you say "his POW records"?

  • Posted By: audrey85 @ 09/06/2008 9:43:47 PM

    I agree MEDIA please interview this woman. We aren't asking you to rip her apart, just be fair and tell the American People about this woman. Oh, why aren't the media reporting that her church doesn't support Jewish people either because of their religious beliefs. And did the media report the church has taken down their website, and the myspace page of the 18 year old boyfriend was also disabled. It may be back now but the words on his page were pretty scarry! He stated on his page that he's an f___kng redneck. Yeah real family values. She talks loud, she's sassy, sarcastic, and belittles hard working Americans, scarry thoughts for a VP. Frightening as a matter of fact. McCain is riddled with his own historical scandals and he's bringing change to Washington. Interesting!

    • Posted By: mccaincursingonyoutube @ 09/07/2008 9:57:37 AM

      Bravo Audrey

  • Posted By: MAZees @ 09/07/2008 7:10:16 AM

    It's time to rename those extremists - they are not "pro-life" or "anti-abortion", as they like to call themselves. They are "anti-choice". Big difference.
    I am pro-life, as I am anti-war, and anti-abortion, as I would never have one, and never had an amnio with any of my 4 children, even after I was 35, when they begin to recommend them, because I believed that what will be, will be. But I do NOT want the government in my GYN office, and as such, I do not believe my views should be in someone else's GYN office.
    I wish the MSM would stop letting these people get away with the so flowery "pro-life" label, when they so often support war and cutting programs that would actually help these single mothers' lives.

    • Posted By: mccaincursingonyoutube @ 09/07/2008 9:48:24 AM

      Well Stated!

  • Posted By: FRam @ 09/07/2008 12:34:01 AM

    Hi folks there is such a thing as hypocritical family values.

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