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  • Posted By: drjim1 @ 09/13/2008 12:52:59 PM

    How short sighted of Mr. Weisberg to refer to Sarah Palin's pro-life stance as extreme. In reality it is consistent unlike most views on this subject. If you believe, as Governor Palin seems to, that life begins at conception or implantation then the products of conception are a person. As a person he or she is entitled to the rights to which other people are entitled. Including not being killed. That right remains even if the conception occurred in a horrid manner like rape or incest, or if the raising of the child would be economically inconvenient. So from an evangelical point of view two people who are worse off economically are better than one who is better of and one who is dead. A necessary corollary to that pro-life stance is the need to get off our collective evangelical duffs and come alongside the mother and baby and provide them with opportunities to live a better life.

  • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 09/11/2008 9:10:04 PM

    I wonder how the Obama supporters are going to handle when Palin's interview goes off without a flaw? OH yeah probably say it was rigged or she had an ear piece.....yeah...let's take away Barry's teleprompter and see how many great speeches he gives.

    • Posted By: mccaincursingonyoutube @ 09/12/2008 2:24:40 PM

      It didn't. She is a fraud.

      • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 09/13/2008 10:37:03 AM

        SHE DID GREAT PEOPLE NEED TO QUESTION OBAMA'S JUDGEMENT TO BE POTUS !It is difficult to understand Obama???s claim to ???good judgment.??? When has any modern major party presidential nominee so frequently changed his positions on so many important issues or blamed his staff for so many problems? If Obama can???t consistently hold positions on important issues, how can he claim that he has such good judgment? Possibly Obama can come up with some other way of showing "good judgment," but so far he hasn't succeeded using the standards that he wants to be judged by.

  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 09/13/2008 10:34:53 AM

    It is difficult to understand Obama???s claim to ???good judgment.??? When has any modern major party presidential nominee so frequently changed his positions on so many important issues or blamed his staff for so many problems? If Obama can???t consistently hold positions on important issues, how can he claim that he has such good judgment? Possibly Obama can come up with some other way of showing "good judgment," but so far he hasn't succeeded using the standards that he wants to be judged by.

  • Posted By: Kboogie @ 09/10/2008 6:52:42 PM

    September 10, 2008. The central focus of the Republican's claim is that Gov Sarah Palin is a good mother - so she'd make a good president. Well, our sources learning that she may NOT BE a good mother. According to sources close to the family, her son Track is a drug addict and her daughter Bristol was a "regular" w/ the local guys.

    Here's what they say about Gov Palin's son:

    Sarah's oldest son, Track, was addicted to the power drug OxyContin for nearly the past two years, snorting it, eating it, smoking it and even injecting it ... " Ive partied with him (Track) for years," a source disclosed. " Ive seen him snort cocaine, snort and smoke OxyContin, drink booze and smoke weed."

    The source also divulged the girls would do anything for Track and he'd use his local celebrity to manipulate other guys, to get them to steal things he wanted."

    "He finally did what a lot of troubled kids here do," the source divulged. "You join the military."

    And here's what they say happened when Sarah learned of the pregnancy:

    "Bristol was a huge stoner and drinker. I've seen her smoke pot and get drunk and make out with so many guys. All the guys would brag that the just made out with Bristol."

    When Sarah found out the teen was pregnant by high schooler Levi Johnston, she was actually banished from the house. As part of the cover-up, Palin quickly transferred Bristol to another high school and made her move in with Sarah's sister Heather 25 miles away!

    It's excusable to have one screwed up kid ... but when you have two ... GOTTA BLAME THE PARENTS!!!

    • Posted By: Pallisor @ 09/10/2008 8:36:03 PM

      Exactly who are "they"? This is all unsubstantiated innuendo. And by the way, Sarah Palin nor her two kids are running for president. Are you so short on issues that this is all you have?

      • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 09/12/2008 4:02:15 PM

        Actually I believe I heard Palin STATE THAT SHE WAS READY TO BE PRESIDENT in her interview. So at least ONE PERSON believes that she is running for POTUS LOL!

    • Posted By: AskPlus @ 09/11/2008 11:52:01 AM

      When they are that young it is the parents.

      • Posted By: AZJUDY @ 09/11/2008 2:36:21 PM

        SOUNS LIKE NO ONE WATCHES THE KIDS

  • Posted By: erinmcc @ 09/12/2008 3:46:04 PM

    "If you do not allow teenage girls who accidentally become pregnant to have abortions, you are demanding that they either raise their children as single mothers or that they marry in shotgun weddings." Cmon, give me a break! Do you really believe this? Abortion is violence against a woman and her child-let's treat women and girls better than what abortion offers-A DEAD BABY!

  • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 09/11/2008 9:41:30 PM

    It is fun to watch liberal apologists like Weisberg squirm over Palin. Their fear of this woman is palpalble and is the clear driver behind the endless 'hit pieces' like this one.

    My personal favorite was an article that ran in today's USA Today. The story is that Sara Palin, as mayor, replaced the police chief in her small town. And the new police chief began billing insurance companies of rape victims for the medical exam and evidence gathering 'rape kit' administered by the hospital. Now they billed the insurance companies, not the victims, and the new police chief said it was because the small town had to watch its finances closely.

    The USA Today left-wing slanted article, however, (and I am not making this up) tried to make it out that somehow Sara Palin is unsympathetic to rape victims because of the new police chief's policy! Now, is that just amazing, or what?

    Bottom line, the MSM will stop and nothing to try and destroy this woman, at all costs. And it is because they see the election slipping away from them with each successive poll....

    • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 09/11/2008 9:49:19 PM

      They just don't get it. They don't get the appeal, not just sex appeal, but the real appeal that Palin has on those "bitter" small town voters.

      • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 09/11/2008 9:57:33 PM

        Speaking of sex appeal, she is a smokin' hottie. We are all thinking it, so I might as well come out and say it.

        I suspect this is the real reason that NOW hates her so much....

        • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 09/11/2008 10:37:19 PM

          Hey I was pushing for McCain to pick Palin since June. She is a hottie that is exactly why Gloria Steinem hates her....because Sarah has the brains, the leadership skill and the looks that Gloria wishes she had.

          • Posted By: mccaincursingonyoutube @ 09/12/2008 2:37:08 PM

            She is a mom of 5, a soon to be grandmother, and loves to hunt. She is the Governor of a state of 600,000 and was the major of a town of 6000. She hired a lobbyist to bring in over 28 million dollars and as Governor has requested more earmarks than any other state per ca pita.

            She is tough. When the news media keeps telling everyone that she did not sell the plan on ebay, or that she was not always against the bridge to nowhere, she sticks to her scripts.

            She stood up to Charlie in her interview and said Yes, I am ready to be president. He was shocked, she said that she was ready to be president.

            Proven by all of the things I have listed. Who cares about The Bush Doctrine? He is a mother of 5.

  • Posted By: mccaincursingonyoutube @ 09/12/2008 2:23:48 PM

    What women has never considered abortion? How is abortion effecting your life today?

  • Posted By: josh22 @ 09/12/2008 11:47:43 AM

    People just don't get it. The real question behind abortion has to do with if the child in the womb is really a person. If it is a person, then abortion is a kind of murder. My point is that if you believe that the child in the womb is a person, you can't just sit on the fence and hem and haw. In ancient Rome they practiced abortion and exposure (leaving a newborn out to die). To pro-lifers, the two are really the same thing.
    Now sexual ethics is a big deal. If you go back 50 years ago, abortion was rare and illegal, teenage pregnancy outside of wedlock was rare, and you didn't have all the contraceptives, etc. People want to blame Palin, etc., or say it is all about protection, but the bigger problem is with our culture. It is hard on parents and families nowadays. Look at the movies and TV shows, turn on the radio. . . It is culture not the lack of sex education that is the real problem. I think Palin's daughter's boyfriend probably new about protection. If kids run around having sex with each other, some are going to get pregnant.
    Okay, teenagers are not promiscuous? He doesn't like Reagans words. They are just sexually active. Give me a break.

  • Posted By: Karenn1 @ 09/12/2008 9:32:47 AM

    She psychotic,oh by the way you were never in.Also psychotic actions.

  • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 09/11/2008 9:07:10 PM

    This is the same Weisburg that said before the conventions, that if we don't vote in Obama, we are all racist...typical Obama supporter argument. To bad it won't win over any converts.

  • Posted By: whatdoyouthink @ 09/11/2008 6:30:36 PM

    Does abortion prevent child abuse?
    Perhaps one day we'll hear the argument that murdering your husband or wife should be legalized to prevent spouse abuse. Ridiculous as it is, this is the rationale behind the argument that killing a baby in the womb will reduce the chances of that child being abused after birth. Seen in context, it's simply illogical. The incidence of abused, abandoned, neglected, and mistreated children has skyrocketed since the 1970s, when feminists told us that abortion would make every baby wanted and loved. What it actually did was cheapen life at every stage of development.

    While there may be unexpected, unplanned pregnancies, there are no unwanted babies. The list of couples wanting to adopt literally runs into the millions. Across the country prospective parents are pleading for the opportunity to take a child into their hearts and homes. Unfortunately, the desire to adopt is often frustrated by the lack of available babies.

    Murder is not the answer for the so-called unwanted child. It was Mother Teresa, who said, "The greatest destroyer of peace today is abortion. Any country that accepts abortion is not teaching the people to love but to use any violence to get what they want."

  • Posted By: whatdoyouthink @ 09/11/2008 6:04:05 PM

    Mr. Weisberg's comment that "two parents raising children in a stable relationship, without government assistance" is what conservatives care about, does that imply liberals don't have similar concerns? If we are a country that cares about our weaker, defenseless members, and abortion on demand is the best alternative for this country, how does one explain that in every nation where abortion has become legitimized, child abuse rates have rocketed? If a child is disposable before birth as an inconvenience, how distance is the mind set that has so little value of the scantity of human life to batter a child. The billion dollar abortion industry ignores the link of abortion to breast cancer and long term depression, and lies about how many women die from the procedure. Margaret Sanger was a racists that wanted to reduce the number of dark skinned peoples of the earth. Haven't you noticed where the clinics are located?
    Possibly If the media didn't saturate TV, movies and music with the worship of the "god of sex" then maybe, " By 12th grade, 60 percent of high-school girls" wouldn't be sexually active, and abortion would be rare.

  • Posted By: Alivegarden @ 09/06/2008 7:15:04 PM

    Fine. Let the right wing make abortion illegal in all instances. But pass this law on the condition that all good Christian conservatives in this country MUST sign a legally-binding contract in which they agree to adopt at LEAST 2 of the unwanted children that will flood the already strained and under-funded foster-care system. I'm sure al these God-fearing, wealthy conservatives will line up at the chance to adopt a crack-baby or two, otherwise, these children would most likey be left to lives of neglect, crime, drug-addiction and a host of other nasty circumstances, since conservativesa are against any welfare funding of any sorts.. So come on, good Christians, start adopting! If you don't, you are hypocrites.

    • Posted By: McCainCursingYouTube @ 09/06/2008 7:20:56 PM

      Amen! I am an Independent Christian and have had the same opinion since the age of 5. Outlawing abortions doesn't stop abortions, it just forces those women to find more dangerous ways to terminate the pregnancy.

      • Posted By: bojack27 @ 09/08/2008 10:36:00 AM

        You are a Christian? Hmmmm couldn't tell by this...by your support of stupid comments mentioned above.... Let me break it down to you since you cannot see the forrest for the trees...

        So by keeping abortion there is no crack babies, no underfunded foster care systems, and they aren't destind to a host of nasty circumstances?

        So you are agreeing with someone who says that the problem is with Christians who won't adopt babies? Let see Christians stand for abstinence until marriage, not smoking crack or doing illegal drugs, not killing innocent children, making families stronger and choosing life over death.....

        You are right outlawing abortions will not stop abortions but prosecuting those who have and perform abortions for murder will definately reduce the amount of abortions in the United States.... Of course you don't want to support this because you are not an Independent Christian as you claim but a Lukewarm Christian who saddles that fence and is afraid to tell the truth in season and out of season.

        There is no compromise on life issues, your stance as an Independent (Prideful) Christian just shows you don't follow God but your own agenda! God says "Choose Life" you say "Don't Outlaw killing the innocent because it will not stop it anyways!" Get Real and Get Off the Fence!

        • Posted By: ChurchOfRealism @ 09/11/2008 4:53:19 PM

          More Abortion = Less Crime

        • Posted By: BaDgErFaN @ 09/09/2008 6:30:43 PM

          you can be christian and prochoice.... i consider myself pro-child, pro-family, pro-choice.

  • Posted By: emmalulu @ 09/06/2008 4:59:48 PM

    so the question on this issue is, would you rather have an extreme leftist baby killer for a president, or an extreme rightist baby saver for a VICE president?

    • Posted By: ChurchOfRealism @ 09/11/2008 4:49:40 PM

      Abortion keeps crime low, so I'm for whoever keeps abortion.

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 09/10/2008 2:33:14 AM


    THE TRUTH ABOUT THOSE SARAH PALIN RUMORS
    http://explorations.chasrmartin.com/2008/09/06/palin-rumors

    • Posted By: AZJUDY @ 09/11/2008 2:56:53 PM

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  • Posted By: trazer @ 09/10/2008 8:00:16 PM

    Mr. Obama hates all women given his comparing us to pigs. What happened to family values?
    Sarah has them - she has a wonderful family.
    Mr. Obama on the other hand tells his kids: 1) Its ok to borrow money from known felons (given his and his wife mortgage); 2) Its ok to call others Pigs - shame on him) and 3) thinks its ok to be mean to otheres.

    • Posted By: AZJUDY @ 09/11/2008 2:33:55 PM

      TELL YOU ALITTLE ABOUT JOHNNY MCSHAME I LIVE IN AZ HE WAS ONE OF THE KEATING 5 TOOK FAVORS FROM CHARLIE KEATING AND HAD THE GOVERNMENT BAIL HIM OUT , JOHN COST THIS COUNTRY ALMOST 200BILLION DOLLARS , AND HE DUMPED HIS FIRST WIFE AND 3 KIDS BECAUSE HE WAS CHEATING WITH CINDY AND THIS AFTER SHE HAD WAITED FOR HIM WHILE HE WAS IN P CAMP HE MARRIED CINDY 17 YEARS YOUNGER 4 WEEK S LATER HE'S NOT A NICE GUY

  • Posted By: allright @ 09/11/2008 12:32:04 PM

    Wildly underqualified? I believe what you meant to say is wildly out of touch with liberal journalism relativistic morality.

    Let me please make a correction concerning your grossly mistaken view of the values that conservatives hold dear. Yes, we do value the traditional, stable family where both original parents nurture and support - emotionally and financially - their children without government intervention. However, under no circumstances would we say that AT ALL COSTS we must have it that way. In other words, murdering new children to allow us to comfortably support the existing ones is, for us (who are so terribly old fashioned about life and such), barbaric. In addition, a thinking person might conclude that when a pregnancy is the result of rape or incest, that the third person had absolutely nothing to do with the horrible crime, and therefore should not be executed. Just as a personal example, I know two of those "third" people, and I'm married to one. He is definitely not a non-person.

    • Posted By: AskPlus @ 09/11/2008 1:04:40 PM

      Well that's great. But it is your opinion. Some people might not want to raise a child born from violence or hate. Maybe some people call early termination "murder", but it a reach and always has been, right in line with killing kids via masturbation or something. Your morality is good - for you. Not for every one. There are cultures that you will never understand and they feel just as deeply as you do that they are right. It's okay to disagree, but horrible to judge, then claim you are being judged. Stay in your reality, don't force it on those who don't agree with you.

  • Posted By: KReviewerH @ 09/10/2008 3:43:22 PM

    This is posted in response to kle5507 post: It is a real shame that you believe the poor to be "dumb" and the middle class to be "dumber" (Note: This is not a word). Many of these individuals are the results of our government, as the largest group of individuals who are homeless are veterans who have been denied what this country owes them. As for the article, Palin, as I have said before, is not the right choice for any government position. Her emotions get the best of her. That and her attempt to hide such things as her daughter's pregnancy. Maybe instead of running a state she should have been running what went on in her household.

    • Posted By: kle5507 @ 09/11/2008 11:50:04 AM

      I call them dumb and dumber because they would vote for the GOP in a heart beat if the GOP wave the flag, cries "fight with me, fight with me" or put forth a pitbull with lipstick. They don't recognize that it's the same GOP gov't who screwed them over. I just to think that Americans were smart enough to know when to change course when something's not working. But seeing some fat chick on TV who says she's a democrat who's voting for McCain because of Sarah Palin is a woman makes as much sense as playing russian roulette with all the chambers loaded. This same fat chick is probably one job layoff away from losing her home. They just don't get it. The poor and especially the middle class don't get how things can change on a dime (good to bad).

  • Posted By: AskPlus @ 09/11/2008 11:43:01 AM

    She just a no-account mother. The US is sadly rife with such mothers. The planned family is a thing of the past, and behavior and consequence models are almost non-existent. She is a bad mother. It is an up-front issue, and it is getting ignored. The question remains - do we want an Evangelist who can't discipline her household, but does seem to brow-beat and bully every one else? Alaska is the second most corrupt state in the union after Florida, and she helped it along.

  • Posted By: jperry64 @ 09/11/2008 10:18:54 AM

    Ok this article is obvious in its intent. The media is making it a up front issue not Palin. IF asked she replies what she believes and even Big Joe has the same outlook on the subject so whats that say?? So before trying to throw bombs check your own shack for explosives. This issue is a tough one and allot of people have the same stance but don't force it on others as a political push. Your beliefs are yours and as a public official they can't be forced on others but can be discussed and let the country decide. That is the greatness of our country and what makes us unique.

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