What Happened to Family Values?

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  • Posted By: tesstbtb @ 09/08/2008 6:19:57 PM

    It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish. Mother Teresa

  • Posted By: tesstbtb @ 09/08/2008 6:19:19 PM

    It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish. Mother Teresa

  • Posted By: Yonderboy @ 09/08/2008 6:18:08 PM

    The problem I have with this article is that Jacob Weisberg is a deceiver and a liar. He intentionally twists and misrepresents Palin's position on abortion and makes one of the weakest logical arguments about her ideas being ethically flawed that I have ever read.

    1 - She is personally opposed to abortion, as evidenced by her family decisions and statements, but the abortion laws in Alaska have liberalised since she has been in office. She is clearly not attempting to legislate behavior or thought. To suggest her beliefs are wrong and she should not have them reaks of intolerance and thought control. "You can only have your own belief system if it agrees with mine, otherwise I will critise you." Sounds VERY intolerant. Obama would be ashamed of Jacob.

    2 - To suggest that being Pro-Life and pro-traditional family b/c young unwed mothers have difficult lives is illogical. Every belief system has a natural hierachy. Jacob may not agree with her beliefs, but it is clearly logically consistent.

    She supports the ideal of children raised in two parent families. Ideally, who does not? Certainly Obama does. Both are opposed to divorce, in theory. Both would promote counseling and reconcilition in marriages that are suffering rough times. Who would not? But when a couple has irreconcilable differences neither would demand the marriage stay in tact. When a husband is willing to kill his wife but not divorce her, neither would say the ideal of a sacred bond should supercede the sanctitiy of life. Neither would say it is okay to be abusive or murder, as long as the ideal family unit is maintained.

    Likewise, Palin believes that the life or death of the child supercedes wether it grows up in an ideal family. Life first, good family second. Jacob may not agree that the fetus is a child, but to those who do there can be no other logical position. Her position is only ethically flawed when Jacob suggests that she holds the sanctity of an ideal famliy on par with the sanctity of life. He either did so knowingly, and is therefore a deceiver of readers, a twister of facts and a liar, or he did so in ignorance and an inability to think rationally and clearly. I think he is intelligent and acted maliciously to support his own political agenda. Maybe you disagree and think he's just stupid.

  • Posted By: comRob @ 09/08/2008 6:05:30 PM

    So your solution to the problem of teen pregnancy is that abortion will fix everything? Teen pregnancy is just the symptom or result of sex outside of marriage. Adding the guilt of killing one's own child will only contribute to the devastation of that teen. Statistics don't lie. A significant percentage of women that have had an abortion, suffer very serious mental side affects including suicide, drug and alcohol abuse, eating disorders, relationship problems, etc. Not to mention the physical side affects like increased chance of breast cancer.

  • Posted By: THE RAVEN @ 09/08/2008 5:32:28 PM

    This child--yes, child--had a mother and daddy in the house, yet, she still went around screwing her boyfriend, having unprotected sex. If this was any other little tramp, or a black girl, you people (whitey, of course) would be talking about baby mama this, baby's daddy that, black this, blah, blah, blah. That girl's baby's daddy/boyfriend could feel palin's shotgun digging in his spine.

  • Posted By: Kboogie @ 09/08/2008 4:49:56 PM

    ABOUT SARAH PALIN -
    [ Note by web_admin: This was already posted on Washington Independent
    comments area and was meant by the author to be read by many, but
    readers need sourcing. The NY Times has talked with contributors since. ]

    The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral administration
    weren't enough to fund everything on her wish list though, borrowed
    money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it
    with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage
    the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said
    she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? or a
    new library? No. $1m for a park. $15m-plus for construction of a
    multi-use sports complex which she rushed through to build on a piece
    of property that the City didn't even have clear title to, that was
    still in litigation 7 yrs later--to the delight of the lawyers
    involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the
    community but a huge money pit, not the profit-generator she claimed it
    would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5m for road projects that
    could have been done in 5-7 yrs without any borrowing.

    While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office
    redecorated more than once.

    These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a very small city.

    As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus
    in Alaska. Rather than invest this surplus in technology that will
    make us energy independent and increase efficiency, as Governor she
    proposed distribution of this surplus to every individual in the state.

    In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she
    recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects, even while
    she proposed distribution of surplus state revenues: spend today's
    surplus, borrow for needs.

  • Posted By: Old Fashioned @ 09/08/2008 3:53:18 PM

    In 1960, 5% of the black community had children out of wedlock - today 69%. Over half of black pregnancies are ended in abortion. In 1960, you never heard of blue colar children being illegitmate - over 25% are today. AIDS, Broken families, serial live-ins raising unstable kids are the norm. As a upper middle class child, the live-ins wrecked our lives. The sexual revolution failed years ago! I think the press, media, academia and the elite look to prove otherwise. When I was a little girl I looked forward to getting married and having children. With the new promiscuity and "live in, no commit" partner, I am glad I didn't. Rome fell when it got to where the West is today....

  • Posted By: history buff @ 09/08/2008 3:16:01 PM

    Yes, I know mistakes happen, but do we have to publicize it in such a way that it is celebrity news? This is not the issues we should be focused on! What about our economy, the wars, the mortgage situation, the broken health care, inflation, our nations debt, the infrastructures, etc. etc. etc.

    To be so easily distracted is worrisome.

  • Posted By: Driver of wagons @ 09/08/2008 3:09:09 PM




    "Katrina, four dollar gas, a trillion dollar war, rising unemployment, deregulated housing market, global warming......."

    "N O M O R E"



    This race should be about whether the Republican Party is going to be dismantled or not after the borderline treason of the past eight years. But instead it is about making the word "community organizer" a dirty word and a beauty queen who shoots foxes from a plane. Someone is not in any way doing their job and it's the press. Or more specifically, that job no longer exists.

    Probably the worst offenders are the pundits who take the position that it's all just a game and say phrases like "getting a post-convention bump" or "playing to the soccer Moms." This isn't a game of Monopoly or Survivor. There are real truths that exist outside of the spin they are given and have an effect on lives. 250,000 Iraqi civilians are dead because we let our reality be distorted by the most effective propaganda machine in fifty years, the corporate American press. Money and jobs are flying out of this country as our currency becomes worthless and we're talking about the fact that McCain is a veteran. If someone busted into your house and robbed you would you then forgive them if you found out they were a veteran? Of course not. So why are we forgiving McCain for selling out his country by supporting the Bush agenda?



  • Posted By: Driver of wagons @ 09/08/2008 3:08:31 PM




    G E T O F F S A R A P A L I N !


    This is not about Sara Palin this is about John Mccain and his irresponsible and irrational choice for his VP running mate.

    This is John McCains ball game and he is the one making the decisions. The Republicans have you all looking the other way by making you think this is about Palin and John McCain having his strings pulled with his campaign manager saying things like "This election is not about issues" or one of his surragates saying' "John Mccain does not speak for this campaign" or turning "Community Organizer" into a dirty word when we all know that is a great way to reach and help peple who are in greater need than ourselves. No sir This election on the Republican side is being run by the one and only John Mccain and nobody else. If you think otherwise you are a fool in your own skin.

    "IT IS NOT"

    This is all about John McCain and his extremely bad judgement.

    The republican party is playing Bushy with all of you all over again by making you think that he is a puppet and his strings are being pulled by Rove and company and the Republican party.

    W E L L I H A V E G O T N E W S F O R Y O U!

    Bush, Cheney and Mccain are dumb like foxes and we are all just fish on a hook and we are swallowing it hook, line and sinker and being reeled in all over again.They did it to everybody in 2000 and 2004 and they are right back at it again in 2008. As it stands right now they are winning and if we all keep talking about the wrong things till the General Election and lose focus of what is ailing our beloved country America will lose again.

    I hope you can live with that because i can't bear the thought and i can't afford another 4 or more years of the same and as it looks right now you are all helping to get us to that juncture.


  • Posted By: mccaincursingonyoutube @ 09/08/2008 2:46:33 PM

    Can anyone confirm that Palin not only has a pregnant teenage daughter, but her oldest son is a high school drop out? I don't believe the liberals. I want a Conservative to confirm. So far I can't.

  • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 09/08/2008 8:57:55 AM

    The McCain-Palin ticket offers a perplexing image. John McCain really just wants to retire as having been president and shows signs that he is close to being there, even finishing a first term could be a challenge. That presents the prospect of Sarah Palin as president and that is really scary and not just because of her significant lack of applicable experience. As she describes herself, she is ???a pit bull with lipstick???, an aggressive, feisty and arrogant personality that demonstrates little knack or taste for diplomacy. She is extreme in everything. She bans books from the library, bans sex education in the high school, has the reputation for demanding everything be her way and then even the Republican powers are afraid to have her be a known quantity as they keep her from the media. She is being constantly coached by Senator Lieberman, by Bush???s speech writers and by image people hoping to make her presentable and only appears at controlled appearances where she can???t be questioned. They may be satisfied that she would be a good puppet for them but what about for us? For eight years we heard Bush???s speeches, often impressive, and yet we only have to look around to see what that has really cost us; now they are writing her speeches and expect us to be moved by them. Do we really want what that brings, being more of the same or even worse? It would seem that to vote for McCain-Palin one would have to be a certifiable masochistic lunatic. A little strong on the criticism? Really, I wonder.

    • Posted By: mccaincursingonyoutube @ 09/08/2008 2:42:50 PM

      Some in my party don't like baby killers and it doesn't matter is the country torpedoes into the worst depression this country as ever seen. Even if it leaves us vulnerable to other countries. As long as you are not a baby killer, you have their wholehearted vote.

  • Posted By: McCainCursingYouTube @ 09/06/2008 7:04:11 PM

    She cut funding for Special Needs Children by 40%.

    She is the mother of a Special Needs Child as well as an aunt of a Special Needs Child. She took the money for the bridge to nowhere. She left the small town she was Major of in dept from a balanced budget. She never sold the state jet on Ebay. She took credit for an ethics reform bill that was started before she was in office. She preaches abstinence and has a pregnant teenage daughter. She was 43 and having sex without thinking of the well known consequences of the complication of pregnancy at that age. Lastly, the Republican Party is keeping her hidden from the press- Palin Family Values are not right for America.

    • Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 09/08/2008 2:39:33 PM

      False. She increased it by 154%

      Anchorage Daily News,Sept. 06,2008

      And www.pajamasmedia.com ''Sarah Palin: Debunking The Lies''.

    • Posted By: marksgershenson @ 09/07/2008 11:29:10 AM

      see what you think...

      http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/kilkenny.asp

  • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 09/08/2008 2:20:21 PM

    Palin is pro-life, opposing abortion in all cases except when the mother's life is in danger. She opposes same-sex marriage and favors teaching creationism alongside evolution in schools. But she hasn't pushed for legislative changes in any of those areas.

    To me that says that she recognizes the limits of government and the importance of personal choice. Her choice might be different from mine, and she would have no qualms about telling me what she thinks, but she doesn't try to legislate religious positions.

  • Posted By: bwilson46 @ 09/08/2008 2:20:01 PM

    Boy, here is a fair and balanced account of pro-life versus pro-choice. Terribly one-sided and written by Jacob "Obama can only lose to McCain due to racism" Weisberg; come on, this is obviously left wing trash.

    And understand, I am OK with contraception and with Roe v. Wade as it stands. But this kind of one-sided article with no rebut is a clear example of why under Jon Meacham NewsWeek is losing credibility,--not to mention subscribers--and going through an ever quickening death.

    Good work, Jon. Great editing.

    B. Wilson

  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 09/08/2008 2:05:31 PM

    man my eyes are going bad and i'm starting to get paranoid these liberals don't care!! they keep using these big words that i can't understand. don't they know i suffer from Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia ?


  • Posted By: Sassy Lady @ 09/08/2008 1:28:44 PM

    I find this as an opportunity for the Democrats to take advantage of in a new and positive way. For the first time in a long time, the BLUE ticket has the appearance of family values more than the RED ticket. How lovely!

  • Posted By: neos @ 09/07/2008 4:58:02 PM

    I for one applaud the new republican stance on supporting out-of-wedlock pregnant girls. Just a few months ago, O'Reilly attacked the Spears family for their moral failure in "allowing' a teen pregnancy, but now he fully supports the Palins on the same issue. It shows great courage that conservatives can now admit that their previous holier-than-thou attitude was wrong and that all moral issues are not so black and white as they once depicted them to be.

    • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 09/08/2008 11:52:02 AM

      I for one applaud the new republican stance on supporting out-of-wedlock pregnant girls. Just a few months ago, O'Reilly attacked the Spears family for their moral failure in "allowing' a teen pregnancy, but now he fully supports the Palins on the same issue.
      **************************************

      Are you kidding? There is no NEW STANCE, they are HYPOCRITES! Do you honestly believe that if Chelsea Clinton (An adult) had become pregnant prior to Palin's nomination, that she and her family would not have been dragged through the mud. All you would have heard from Rush the junkie and Bill O the idiot is the Clinton's lack of morality that they have abviously instilled in their daughter or something equally as stupid.

      Palin's daughter's teen pregnancy is only alright because they want McCain in the white house. Where is all of the Evangelistical Outrage at the lack of moral fiber in the Palin's household? HYPOCRITES!!!!!

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 09/07/2008 8:56:01 PM

      I remember that about the Spears. Bill O is becoming a hypocrite.

  • Posted By: cuppa jo @ 09/08/2008 11:43:16 AM

    You people just really don't get it. Abortion is not going to do it for you scaremongers this time around. In her time as the Alaska Governor did she ONCE try to cram through any issues dealing with abortion. SHe spend her time trying to REFORM the way business is done in Alaska. You guys just can't help yourselves. NO ONE CARES WHAT YOU THINK!

  • Posted By: turnbulldw @ 09/06/2008 3:51:38 PM

    Nowhere in this article did the author suggest an unrestricted, anything-goes approach to aborting pregnancies. That such inflammatory didactic is used to demonstrate a point shows how weak the underlying argument really is. Why not simply stand on the real premise; no abortions ever. Why bring in images of babies in dumpsters aborted on the verge of birth? That is not legal under the current model anyway so, if it happens, it is something that can and should be prosecuted.

    There are extremists on both sides that have fought any sort of resolution to this matter all along. The moderate wing of both the conservative and liberal elements are right. Abortion should be made irrelevant, not illegal. We should actively work to remove the stigma associated with accidental pregnancy; support adoption programs; and provide the social support needed for unwed mothers to successfully raise children.

    • Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 09/06/2008 4:47:09 PM

      Yet nowhere did he mention anything on Obamas own stand,that went unrefuted by a FACTCHECK investigation on this matter,which finds that Obama as both state and US senator,voted with the ultras,displaying an extremist philosophy on abortion. Weisberg is using fear to make his case,and it will not stand. Obamas position is opposed by a majority of Americans who rightly believe that abortion-on-demand is unacceptable,with the vast middle,[including Republicans] opting to keep abortion within the confines of the original ROE decision. The very impetus of the 2002 BAIP Act and that passed by a majority in the US Senate was to stop abortions on healthy mothers,with healthy fetuses,who were delivered in a ''born alive''condition before being killed. Obama took his stand. Now he will have to deal with it,his ass-covering scribblers like Weisberg notwithstanding.
      Nothing can be construed to be an absolute right. Not in speech,guns,religion,the press, even voting or discrimination. Yet to the ultras,the killing of a post-delivered child is as bad as the ultras on the other side wanting to end all legal abortions. It is an extremist position. And it is absolutist. Foolishly,Catholics Pelosi and Biden,caught up in the moment of the Obama controversy,decreed that they knew more on ths subject than their own church,and are paying heavily for it among this critical voting bloc.[voices within the Catholic hierarchy called for the refusal of communion to these two]. Obama should have taken the middle road,which would have left the subject still debated,but under the political radar. He chose not to,ergo,Weisbergs screed.

      • Posted By: mccaincursingonyoutube @ 09/07/2008 10:11:07 AM

        A baby born alive and then killed would be murder. There are already laws on the books to protect babies or adults from being murdered. In what world would our doctors deliver a baby and then kill it. Try again.

        • Posted By: bojack27 @ 09/08/2008 10:46:25 AM

          Here is another example of an Indepent Christian! When someone speaks out against an evil you are there independenttly speaking to try and justify their actions! If laws were on the books to protect babies from being murdered then why do we have abortion? Especially since you claim to not believe in abortion.

          There was a federal law pass to stop hospitals from just sitting there watching children born alive to die after the expected time they were supposedly going to die after being born pre-mature. Obama opposed this bill in which he chaired to make sure that it had the same wording as the federal bill that passed, because some ACLU lawyer told him that the child that was born alive would be declared a person and would undermine the Roe vs Wade decision.... yes God forbid that we say that all unborns are persons!

          Quit playing devils advocate! either you are for God or against him! You need to TRY AGAIN and read the bill and read the BIBLE!

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