I was anorexic at the age of 17, but I'm also a Seventh-day Adventist and trust me, there's no belief we hold that would induce anorexia. "Bodily excesses?" In other words, "Don't pig out and get obese?" Isn't that just common sense, or should be?
I was anorexic at the age of 17, but I'm also a Seventh-day Adventist and trust me, there's no belief we hold that would induce anorexia. "Bodily excesses?" In other words, "Don't pig out and get obese?" Isn't that just common sense, or should be?
I'm a Seventh Day Adventist, too, but I didn't find this article offensive. I understand why some of the SDAs on this forum are very sensitive and quick to defend our beliefs, because we are often ignorantly accused of being zealots, fanatics, or what have you. So it's almost a knee-jerk reaction to get defensive. But just like ANY religion or way of life, it can be taken to extremes and contribute to unhealthy behavior. That's what I understood the individual's experience to be about. I personally struggled with anorexia in my early 20s, and I will be very interested to read this book when it is available.
I was raised SDA, and part of my personal experience with this institution influenced my eating disorders practice. The SDA cornerstones are hinged around observing the Sabbath and healthy living. Many people think that thin=healthy. Not true. This misconception sometimes perpetuates eating disorders in the SDA community.
Also, in private schools, there is increased pressure on kids/teens. This pressure to excel, be on top, and compete festers eating disorders in these intuitions. In my personally experience, 60% or more of girls attending my SDA school exhibited eating disorders. When I switched over to public school, the eating disorder rate dropped to a 1-2%.
I think people should remember that even within the same religion there are variations of the way the doctrines are interpreted. In some parts of the country teh religious literature may be viewed as leteral & in another not. I took a graduate class on Spirituality in Psyc & Social Work & we discussed this. You cannot generalize that anyone will feel or react a certain way solely based on their relgious views.
Responding to the comments about a woman whose mother was a Christian Scientist who fed her family "hydrogen peroxide from the bottle, apple-cider vinegar, barley grass" among other things and participated in "fasts" and "cleanses" is very far from my own experience with Christian Science. None of that went on at our house. I grew up in a home where my step-mother was a Christian Scientist. We ate very normally. I have many happy memories of eating lots of vegetables from the family garden in summer (like many families do) and many an enjoyable meal---but with with none of the practices that were mentioned in the article. I was not a Christian Scientist myself as I was growing up (I started reading Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures by Mary Baker Eddy, along with the Bible, when I was in college)--so if there had been anything like what was mentioned in the article going on in our home I probably would have been a more rebellious teenager than I was aready--if that had been possible! Today--I am a practicing Christian Scientist and I am glad that I have the teachings of Christian Science to rely on to help me see that there does not need to be such a big emphasis on the body and diet. Rather--I am seeing the more I focus on my relationship with God--and doing my best to lead a God-directed and God-governed life--the more healthy I am. The body just corresponds accordingly with normal weight, functioning, and enjoyment of normal eating, etc. I hope this leaves readers with a little more balanced sense of what Christian Science is--as I know no Christian Scientists (and I know quite a few!) that practice the methods outlined in that article--nor are those methods in any way, shape, or form included in the teachings of Christian Science. Find out for yourself. Read Science and Health!
Statistics continue to support the fact that most anorexics are white female and middle to upper class. The fact that a minority of cases are not within these groups is not news.
I don't know where you are getting your information but it is flawed or embellished. Fact, eating disorders are a mental illness. And mental illnesses don't discriminate gender, economic stasis, gender....True, there might be more attention drawn to white females middle to upper class but that doesn't mean eating disorders aren't just as common in other situations. Maybe they don't get the same publicity, many people might over look warning signs that fit only a specific stereotype, and being middle or upper class makes it easier to afford treatment. Also, don't forget....globalization. Today, technology has made the world a smaller place and Western influence has permeated many developing nations. Because of this, eating disorders have infiltrated cultures world-wide.
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Hey, SDAs...don't get tunnel vision, here. The article only talks about one incident of a person who interpreted the Gospel in a way that was not intended. There are countless cases of highly revered persons who, for whatever purpose, have taken the Gospel, the media, the family lessons, whathaveyou, and made them into messages that lead to the pathology of anorexia and bolemia. Relax. This article is not about SDA or even Christianity. It's about how people with eating disorders interpret their world so they end up harming themselves.
I thought the article was about the cultural diversity of eating disorders
Not very many Black women suffer from eating disorders. Black women are beautiful and love their curves.... Maybe if people quit focusing on white women imperfections they would be more confident in their size. For those who don???t agree with me I???ll give you an example of size acceptance. Queen latifa and Roseanne, one is a cover girl the other is a fat ass, you tell me which fits where. Need more? Monique and Rosie O Donald, both are huge comedians but who is more excepted as a beautiful big girl???? exactly FAT GIRLS RULE LOL
FAT GIRLS RULE LOL - Think again...You cite terrible examples to hold up for young, black women. I am an unmarried, 30-something black man and attorney, I can tell you that there is a good reason why 52% of black women never marry. A huge part is their physical appearance. BBW is not sexy. While it can be fetished and sexualized, men are not looking for that in a wife. Black women nor any women should think they can eat all the BK, KFC and McD's they want, grow muffin tops and then be found attractive by men. Personally, as a black male I find it repulsive that a woman doesn't care about her weight and then defend being big because she can eat as many fat and calories as she desires. BBW need to get with it. Latifah finally does and Star Jones got it.
You seem to have strong opinions, which is fine but I think it is unfair to generalize the way do. Unless you have degree in social research methods and have conducted coast to coast, national research, everything you claim-is strictly your opinion. You are entitled to your opinion and who you are attracted to ??? but don???t assume and everyone else shares your views.
Also, you don???t seem to realize obesity isn???t color blind. Women of many different races also choose to eat unhealthy. And in such binge-eating disorders, (as I have said many times before) eating disorders are not about food, they are about emotional turmoil. Binging/gorging oneself acts like a drug-it numbs the pain.
I have a question for you. Do you think that our nation???s problem with obesity could simply be changed by introducing healthier role models or by chastising overweight people even more? I don???t because only in recent years has obesity spiraled out of control and even though the popular ???black ideal??? body image hasn???t changed.
As a Black male I can honestly say I wish more Black women did care about their bodies. As a man who tries to eat healthy and exercise 5 days a week, I am tired of seeing BBW's who don't give a damn about their wait and think that thick and being a BBW is beautiful. Someone cites Monique as a good example, but she is a terrible example because she defends her ability to eat whatever she wants and be fat without consequence. There are consequences Black women. I'll take Kerry Washington, Kelly Rowland or Halle Berry anyday to Monique. They are smart, intelligent, health-conscious role models. A muffin-top, big gut and mountains of fat and cellulite is not cute ladies.
This isn't about what you find attractive, obesity, nor is it about black women caring about their bodies. This is about an illness that is extremely detrimental, physically and mentally. Rather than being concerned that women are subjecting themselves to potentially deadly actions, you feel the need to espouse what you want in your woman. This isn't the forum, your words are ridiculous and self-centered in this context, and truthfully, who should care?!
Anorexia and Bulemia are about women feeling attractive and stemming obesity. It is a means of weight control. My comments are not about who I find attractive, but about black women who set good examples for other young black women. My point was an affront to the comment posted by happymedontcry and her pitching acceptance of being overweight. I have black sisters and a black mother and care about black health issues. Don't negate my comments because you want to go eat a double whopper with cheese and have me accept your gut and overstuffed clothes.
Eating disorders have NOTHING to do with "women feeling attractive and stemming obesity." Eating disorders are all about control. A lot of people that have eating disorders don't feel like they have control over some aspect of their life and theres a high correlation with sexual abuse and eating disorders. it's a way to control SOMETHING. You control what goes in and how it goes out. It's not a vanity thing at all, do some research.
Unfortunately, you don???t completely have your facts right either. Eating disorders are about coping with pain/emotional trauma. Thus, emotional issues precede any form of needing "control over something". Personally, I hate the word ???control??? because it is often used incorrectly. Part of the reason eating disorders are so hard to treat is because it is such a complex illness and eating disorder etiology is comprised of many, many features. Personally, I think the word ???control??? is an over simplified term, not the most important issue, and a copout for those in the mental health field.
Do you have any clue on how dangerous eating disorders are? Anorexia is agreed upon by all mental health professionals to the be the deadliest mental illness. What if you had a daughter with a severe eating disorder? Knowing the severity of it, wouldn???t it kill you inside to watch her to suffer and slowly waste away? Eating disorders are in a way related to a drug addiction. In this instance, binging/purging and anorexia acts like a drug. You ???use??? to numb your emotional pain.
Eating disorders are a deadly mental illness and not about weight control and women feeling attractive. In fact, people with eating disorders usually hate their bodies and don???t feel attractive, no matter how thin they are. Tell me this, How do you explain 1 out of every 10 anorexics are male? Males are not taught by our society that ???eating disorder thin??? is attractive like women usually are. So, how do you account for this? Clearly, eating disorders have nothing to do with appearance.
You also have a misconception regarding health, thin is not always healthy (especially those in the media???s spotlight). I???m not advocating for obesity, I???m just pointing out that your comments seemed flawed because you described certain things in celebrity women that you liked. And you don???t know any of perceptions about these women to be correct. How do you know if they are healthy, smart, intelligent???..?
I personally don???t think these women should be role models. They promote body types that 90% of women can???t obtain because of this, self-esteem can go down. Also, what they hell have the mast majority of actresses contributed to humanity that they should be admired/looked up to? They have only perpetuated unhealthy appearance and values. Is this your idea of a good role-model?
Don???t you see that you are being hypocritical? In one sentence you say that the reason you posted your comment about your concern regarding obesity because of health issues. And the very next sentence you chastise obesity on the terms of appearance.
You're an A*hole.
you're an a*hole.
Am I misunderstanding you, but are you stating that anorexia and bulemia offer a means for black women to set good examples to others by their means of weight control?! Please tell me I'm misunderstanding this obviously misinformed position. Oh, and it's interesting that your way of dismissing my comment is assuming I embody a certain form. Actually, I'm a fitness model, can't remember the last time I had a double whopper (perhaps never, in fact!), and my gut is in the form of a 4-pack.
Sorry... the first email might have gone through. Yes I am sick and tired of fat black women making excuses for their weight. It is unhealthy and disgusting. Monique should be ashamed of herself for promoting her being obese as BB... Gross. And yes this has been written by a black woman who is overwheight but makes no excuses about it. Get a life fatties and try to change the vicious circle!!
Specifically, how do you think Monique promotes obesity? I don???t know much about her but I am aware she encourages over-weight women to love themselves, show them the beauty, and have confidence in who they are.
Eating disorders are not always about the way someone looks. I suffered from bulemia for 15 years and it stemmed from needing control. It seems that was the only thing I could control (at age 12). Society hands us a mixed bag of feelings. If you are "fat" you are happy and if you are "skinny" you are supposed to be happy.
It seems to me that you are contradicting yourself. On one hand you say eating disorders are about control and not about appearance... then you continue to blame your eating disorder on society???s ideals and society???s promises of a beautiful appearance. Since you are contradicting yourself I would encourage you to look deeper inside yourself and examine what events/dynamics lead you down this path at 12 years old. Having such desperation to control something in such an extreme matter is evidence that something was/is effecting you negatively. Needing that much control is a symptom but not a cause of an eating disorder.
Dear happymedontcry,
You are so wrong I am black and almost all the women and even some of the men in my family suffer from body image issues, I'm from California, and it seemed like every summer sine I was like 11 or 12 my girl cousins and I would go on a summer diets. I will admit I needed to loose weight, i was "thick" what black people in the south would like to refer to it, but in California I was fat. I had a thin cousin who was 5 feet 11 inches about 145 pound at the time taking phen-phen, because she wanted to get back to her high school weight of 125 pounds. Almost all the women in my family have taken diet pills, 2 are currently receiving lipo dissolve treatments, I have one cousin who has had lipo suction 3 times! And my family is not rare you would be surprise to see how many black women in Calif. are running to Tijuana to buy illegal diet pills and have weight loss surgery performed.
Eating disorders are bad and should be discussed in the Black community, I use to abuse laxatives, starve myself and go on fad diets all through out my teen years, trying to loose my a "big" butt and "huge" breast that were never going to go away. I rarely go to a family function now without being told "I picked up weight" or hearing some reference about weight loss.. I now live back East and the women are more acceptant of their body, but once you have grown up with weight issues you will always have them.
As a Life Coach that works with men and women who have eating disorders - www.starlightlie.wordpress.com -I believe the disorder can be cleared and you can live your life without it!
There is a lack of awareness and treatment in this culture around ED...perhaps more news like this article can open the lines of communication.
Suffers might always have "weight issues" but the more important thing is to learn how to deal with them in a healthy way
sorry for the above typo!
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www.starlightlifecoaching.com
Regarding the reference about the woman who's Christian Scientist mom imposed fasting, "cleanses, fermentation and raw food," etc. Such a practice has nothing to do with Christian Science.
As a third-generation Christian Scientist, I can tell you it has absolutely no teaching or practice based on dietary theories. We strive to heal any abnormality through prayer and yielding to God's direction, not diet or chemicals.
In fact Christian Science has helped me take less thought about my diet, and find a natural balance and health in my life. I try to live by that Biblical counsel: "Take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? ...but seek ye first the kingdom of God, ... and all these things shall be added unto you."
' Works for me!
- John Minard, Christian Science Committee on Publication for the Internet
Interesting. By the way, Seventh-Day Adventists are the ones that focus on nutrition and healthy living as a cornerstone for their faith.
I was raised in such a manner to see people as equal. I am so sick and tired of everyone saying, "black and white". It's caucasian and African American!!! Get it right!!! Geez!!!
Why does this bother you so much? Have you realized that you are the only one making a fuss?
I was raised and personally believe that all people are equal. I am so sick and tired of the terms "black, white, etc" and I wish everyone would get it right. It's caucasian, African American, Hispanic, etc. I mean, come on people, it's 2008, NOT 1950!!! GET IT RIGHT and use politically correct terms!!! Saying "black and white" ages you and makes you look ignorant.
Have you considered geographic location because what is considered racist in one area, can be considered totally PC in another. Look at this article. http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Vines/1521/carlin_pclanguage2.html
Also, if you believe we are so equal, why are you so keen on labeling differences and drawing attention to this trivial matter?
I am an African-American woman born and raised in Brooklyn who struggled with Bulimia and Anorexia in my twenties. My memoir, "Not All Black Girls Know How to Eat" will be released in August 2009 documenting my experience and recovery. I am relieved that others are telling their stories and helping to educate and change the face of those struggling with eating disorders. Anorexia and bulimia are not simply rich, white girl problems and many who don't look like the poster child for ED are at risk. Congratulations Rodolfo for sharing your story.
Ignorant people will greatly benefit from your book. Good luck with your endeavors. Have you ever thought about writing the effects of globalization and the mass occurrence of eating disorders found world-wide today?
Studies have shown that early intervention is key. Thus, getting the word out there can help people identify eating disorder warning signs in people that don't fit the "traditional" eating disorder sufferer
Very insightful and true
People seem to forget the ???American??? in African-American. We live in the same country, go to school together, work together, watch the same shows and are exposed to the same media. The days of segregation are over. So, it is retarded to think that people of color (or men) wouldn???t be affected by eating disorders.
This is not true. You have forgotten a key difference - culture. "Black culture" endorses a different ideal body type; one that is curvy. For example, a wonderfully full and juicy butt. Also, you have failed to understand that eating disorders are also a mental illness and metal illness doesn't discriminate between race and gender.
I am a Caoch who works with clients with Eating Disorders. I am grateful for this article as it is time to finally have awareness of the prevenence of ED and how easily all lines are crossed. Matters not your color ,race, religion, or sex. My hope is for more public awareness and fro all affected to seek help. It is out there and you can clear an eating disorder and live you life without ED!
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Seek the help you need and know you are not alone. Let the word out.
Good for you! Awareness is key and nothing makes me more angry when adults(especially those that are around children) act blind and "stick their heads in the sand".
For me, a black woman, I was a sexy curvy size throughout my teens and by the time I was 19, I started drawing a lot of attention from men, especially Black men, who saw me for my curves. The thing was, I thought of myself as a nerd at the time and was definitely uncomfortable with the unprecedented way men were approaching me. I began to feel like I didn't want my curves, because they seemed to be a distraction for men and I often felt my shape was a 'green light' for men to disrespect me by saying rude things about wanting to get with me, etc. I was very emotionally hurt by that. So, gradually, I started loosing weight and within a few months I was barely eating. The unwanted attention went away but obviously my health was a major concern....That was several years ago. I have since become a healthy woman at a healthy weight and I still consider myself a nerd AND accepting of my body. I understand the way I may be perceived at first, so with this in mind, I may dress more conservatively than most twenty-somethings and have learned to deter convos that are becoming unwantedly sexual... instead of panicking like I did when was 19...lol. I think being a black woman has a lot to do with the situation, I wanted the appreciation and acceptance from other black males and females, especially, but found that being curvy and thick ---often portrayed by blacks as the quintessential shape to have --- was getting me a form of attention that was not the kind I wanted. Overall, though my main concern at the time was safety and protecting myself as a woman, and that is something I think many women feel, a desire to not be seen as vulnerable to strangers. (That's a mental factor.) Note: sometimes people think anorexia is illogical, but it has it's logic to the person who is anorexic................I remember when I was going through my issues, a friend told me to "accept myself a whole person" and that is a beautiful and heathly outlook :)
Many mental illnesses are on some level illogical, but the reason they persist is because they serve as a way to cope.
You are right, we need more education and training available on eating disorders. I myself am a white woman and I think I might possibly suffer from an eating disorder, when I went to my doctor trying to get help I was basically told to up my calorie intake to 2700 calories and that would fix everything, but it hasn't and it wont because the disease is pathological. I wil admit I have starting eating more and do feel better physically but inside feel like crap about myself on the outside. I am strongly considering going back to starving myself. We live in a world were being fat is worse than finding out you have cancer. More awarness needs to brought to the table!
Hi, Booberry, I am so appreciative of your honestly on dealing with an eating disorder. I think the kind of education we need is a radical kind of education. The thing is, even Thandie Newton, a person with emotional depth 'knows' she has an eating disorder. Is that education? Knowing what it is? Many people with eating disorders 'know' there is a problem, even if they don't know what's it's called. But as you pointed out, the priority with people struggling with eating disorders is not being healthy, it's a priority of appearance and perception, ("Being fat is worse than...") and often comes in the form of wanting acceptance, respect, to be liked (or extreme acceptance: popularity and fame), and seeking a feeling of extreme self control, Education is not often dispersed on 'how to be liked' or how be accepted by others or how to manage with not being liked or accepted. I believe these and other deep concerns, especially among youth, must become a major part of the eating disorder education and training for true progress to ensue regarding this issue.
Wonderful point! Bravo
I do believe anorexia and bulimea is all about control. For some reason, these sick individuals have been raised in out of control environments where the only thing they could control was their weight. Then it reaches a point where they cross the point of no return and it has become an addiction like drugs or alcohol. By then it has nothing to do about looking good/weight control. I have been an RN,BSN since 1979 and these clients have the highest rate of relapse of any group. It is just so hard for them to stop after many, many years of this activity. I even had a friend in high school who tried to show me how we could eat lots of food and 'throw-up'. I thank GOD that I could not do this or who knows---I would be with that group now. My mother was so overly concerned with appearance and weight that I am so suprised I did not become anoretic. Even her animals have weight issues!!! How about that.............
LOL! That's my family as well. My parents, especially my mom is also overly concerned with "thinness." And her dogs have been known to be obese.
I believe this is all tied to control issues. For some reasons these affected people have been raised in out of control environments and must have control over SOMETHING. I have worked with this since 1979 and they tend to relapse more than client's with other addictions. It is a very hard addiction to overcome . The Remuda Ranch is an excellent place in Wickenburg, Arizona to be treated. It's a lot of hard work but what addiction isn't? Good discussion topic. I see it in men frequently, also.
Unfortunately, you are misinformed. Deep-seated emotional trauma is the cause of eating disorders and the issue of control is secondary. Thus therapy that doesn???t address the route cause of eating disorders is likely to be less-effective. By the way, I???m totally against most inpatient/residential eating disorder programs (expect in life or death situations) because this type of treatment will cost at least $30,000 a month. This disgusts me. There are so many people losing their homes and declaring bankruptcy just to pay for this type of treatment. But there are many other, more cost effective treatment options like day treatment, groups, outpatient facilities etc???.. Also, there are no guarantees that clients will fully recovery from this type of treatment. In fact, research has shown that family therapy yields the best results.
Ok, let???s set some things straight. As a marriage and family therapist that specializes in eating disorders and from experiencing a near fatal eating disorder myself, I want to share some of my knowledge. Since I have fist hand knowledge, a Master???s degree, and specialized training I feel I have to explain the facts, plain and simple. I am not trying to come across as superior but this mental illness is something that I am passionate about and I often find it is often represented incorrectly.
Fist off, the issue of control concerning eating disorders is highly overrated. Some aspects of Anorexia are about control, but this is simply not the most important factor. In the case of Bulimia, it is the opposite of control. This can be simply seen through out-of-control binge eating and purging. Also, I want to point out that there is another, often overlooked eating disorder that is more prevalent than bulimia and anorexia combined in the United States. It is called Binge Eating Disorder and it is an actual mental illness diagnosis found in the DSM IV (This is the bible of mental health reference and it is accepted by all creditable mental health professionals). In Binge Eating Disorder, like Bulimia, uncontrollable binges are indicative of this illness but it differs from Bulimia, in the way that people with Binge Eating Disorder do not purge, over exercise, use laxatives, etc???.
In my opinion, as well as many others, over eating or lack there of is perpetuated partly by deep-seated underlying emotional issues/trauma. Therefore, eating disorders act like a drug; they numb the pain. In my research and experience this ???numbing effect??? is a universal occurrence.
Thank you for your informed post. I also have my ED cert and am in a masters program, and have my own history as well. As I have read through these posts over the last few days, I have been so saddened to see the misinformation that is out there. I posted to an individual who exhibits signs of BED, and I just wanted to let you know that there is someone here who is educated in the field as well.
Keep up the good work!
Keep up the good work, as well. If you are comfortable, may I ask what school you are attending?
I'm getting my masters in counseling studies from Capella University, and did my ED cert through IAEDP. I live in CA. How about you? Do you work w/ a specific age group?
I went to school at Loma Linda University. I work with all ages and types of eating disorders.
I agree with most of this article, but i have something to say as well. Anorexia isn't always because anorexics think that people think that they are fat. A lot of times, it's because they think that they won't achieve anything if they aren't skinny. They feel limited to their freedom and options in life when they have tion today than it was some excess fat. I think the worl needs to understand that appearences don't matter. So what if someone is really skinny and pretty? They still have their problems. And it is the fact that they ARE skinny that sometimes brings problems into their life. Be happy with What you have. As for models and actors, it's not easy for them. They have hard lives too, so don't look up to them.
There is some truth to what you wrote but I think you are missing the bigger picture. Deep-seated emotional trauma and even low self-esteem is the hidden, true culprit in eating disorders. Thus, some people that suffer from eating disorders don???t always have a strong sense of health. Therefore, it is this lack of self worth that perpetuates this faulty idea that skinniness will lead to happiness. Also, it is incorrect to say that most anorexics don???t think they are fat. Even in the case of extreme anorexia, where people no longer look human but resemble walking skeleton, they still see themselves as fat; they literally see a physical different body in the mirror. This is called body dimorphic disorder. Check out this You Tube video, ???How an anorexic girl sees herself???
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