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The real benefit of the Fannie/Freddie bailout is overseas

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  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/07/2008 1:05:08 PM

    The link below contains a purported list of the top 25 in Congress who got contributions from the folks at Fannie and Freddie. Obama is listed third, after Dodd and Kerry, even though Obama is just a junior Senator. Obama is followed next by Clinton. Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi are on the list as well.

    http://www.investors.com/editorial/IBDArticles.asp?artsec=16&artnum=1&issue=20080918

    Then there is the Senate Banking Committee Chairman Christopher J. Dodd who allegedly got special mortgage deals from Countrywide, who gave preferential rates to 'friends' of company's chairman.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25140560/

    For an interesting article purporting to detail the House Financial Services Committee Chairs long history with Fannie Mae, See http://www.businessandmedia.org/printer/2008/20080924145932.aspx

    "House Financial Services Committee Chair promoted GSEs while former 'spouse' was Fannie Mae executive."

    The link below describes how some in Congress tried to use the original version of the bailout bill to divert money eventually recovered to groups like ACORN, a group Obama has a long association with. See:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122247015469280723.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

    And then there is House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who allegedly has directed nearly $100,000 from her political action committee to her husband's real estate and investment firm.

    http://www.washtimes.com/news/2008/oct/01/pelosis-pac-pays-bills-for-spouses-firm.

  • Posted By: timrogers @ 09/09/2008 3:16:04 PM

    America has borrowed its way to third world status. With Fannie and Freddie facing a massive margin call, the Treasury had no choice except a bailout. We can't afford to miss any payments if we want to keep borrowing. If the USA was in a position to stop borrowing from the world on such a gigantic scale, this bailout would restore some confidence to the financial markets. As it is, we just got another advance from our line of credit with the world which we will use to borrow even more at higher interest rates. It may be comforting to think the USA is too big to fail; but I believe we just witnessed a preview of exactly that.

  • Posted By: Tan Boon Tee @ 09/09/2008 1:55:58 AM

    At last, the government has come to the rescue in a very big way, $200 billion to bail out Fannie and Freddie. Didn???t some of us correctly make that prognosis? Indeed it is the tax-payers??? money, but how many of them have benefited in the mean time?

    The stock market responded upward instantly, with Dow Jones reverses its sliding trend. Naturally so, the world markets are being dragged along, moving northwards for the first time after weeks of dismal performance. But the question is how long will this trend be sustainable when the world economy continues to be sluggish? Could it just be a momentarily flash again?

    Just wait and see. (Tan Boon Tee)

  • Posted By: expatincebu @ 09/08/2008 10:41:43 PM

    Privatize the profits, nationalize the losses. transfer wealth from working Americans to the wealthy elite. The good old USA is fascism running at its best.

  • Posted By: manwoman @ 09/08/2008 10:24:44 PM

    It is a big systematic problem.

  • Posted By: manwoman @ 09/08/2008 10:23:50 PM

    It is a big systematic problem. Each of government systems has its inherent problems that are very hard to deal with. The toughest and common among them is lazy persons. I have not seen a report about how many job openings there are nationwide monthly while the government reports unemployment rate. In fact, there are many job opportunities ever day, but American people do not want or are qualified for. They do not want hard jobs or "dirty" job or job that need skills or special knowledge. But they do want a office job, they do want to have good life, they do want a house if possible.

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 09/08/2008 8:35:39 PM

    These are the people who call democrats big spenders. These are the people who decried welfare payments to the poor who might otherwise starve, but give welfare payments to the rich because they are too big to be allowed to starve. There is a word for this.

  • Posted By: PacificGatePost @ 09/08/2008 7:24:34 PM

    OMINOUS SIGN BEHIND PAULSON???S ACTIONS

    http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2008/09/secretary-paulson-reasures-foreign.html

    And as usual the taxpayer is on the hook in the biggest bailout ever, and forever after that.

  • Posted By: neosapiens @ 09/08/2008 6:35:23 PM

    That the financial system is bursting at the seams because of the trade deficit is extremely disturbing. It means that we're perilously close to the edge of an economic tailspin that could greatly increase the unemployment rate and wipe out the retirement savings of millions of people. It's a market failure that must be addressed and not just papered over. One way to do that is to accelerate the shift away from using foreign oil. Business as usual just won't cut it much longer.

  • Posted By: neosapiens @ 09/08/2008 6:34:05 PM

    That the financial system is bursting at the seams because of the trade deficit is extremely disturbing. It means that we're perilously close to the edge of an economic tailspin that could greatly increase the unemployment rate and wipe out the retirement savings of millions of people. It's a market failure that must be addressed and not just papered over. One way to do that is to accelerate the shift away from using foreign oil. Business as usual just won't cut it much longer.

  • Posted By: Cleareye @ 09/08/2008 6:17:32 PM

    You are on target. The Chinese and Saudis insisted upon it. We had little choice in the matter.

  • Posted By: does not work @ 09/08/2008 12:17:41 PM

    socialized capitalism

    • Posted By: Iconoblaster @ 09/08/2008 5:21:30 PM

      One other word for socialized capitalism is "fascism". Since Hitler's and Mussolini's day they have also called it "industrial policy", or "macroeconomic planning"..whatever euphemism is employed, it is an incestuous marriage of industry and government, and the result is always the same: lots of corruption, inefficiency and waste, but the insiders make so much money they don't care, and the rest of us have no real voice in the matter.

  • Posted By: no republican @ 09/08/2008 1:39:01 PM

    Who will explain to me why I have to pay for some foreign persons greed. Is that my problem. I realize that many would loose money, but so what. The real people such as I did not make a dime from their greed and now I have to pay them more for it. Will the people at Fanny and Freddie pay for this, do they get to keep their money? WHY??????????????? I am tiered of the rich taking my money and then causing other meltdowns later on. WHO WILL GO TO JAIL FOR THIS????????????????????????

    • Posted By: Iconoblaster @ 09/08/2008 5:17:15 PM

      You have to pay because someone ELSE (meaning not you) is making the decisions about YOUR tax money. The federal government isn't responsive to us (meaning the general public), because they know that many of us don't pay much attention to what "our" government does in our name, and enough of us can almost always be manipulated to believe whatever "they" want us to believe. All they have to do is wave the flag a bit, call their political opponents unpatriotic and weak, pray out loud...VERY loud... (God isn't hard of hearing, but they want to make sure the REST of us hear them being properly pious), and tell us to vote for them, or the terrorists will get us. Its worked pretty well for the last 8 years.

  • Posted By: blackcourt @ 09/08/2008 3:28:57 PM

    The lack of responses here is almost as alarming as learning that we are being bought by foreign investors. I guess I'm not really sure why the US Government feels the need to step in here and "save the day". Why exactly are we ensuring that foreign investors get profits on poor investments? These investors buy when things were going well, driving up the prices on real estate and encouraging the banks to make poor investments to continue driving up their profits... but now that they are turning the corner and crashing back down to Earth we are going to continue to pay them anyway? Is there something I'm missing here or has this been one of the biggest DOH! moments in our history.

    • Posted By: Iconoblaster @ 09/08/2008 5:06:39 PM

      I'm wondering the same thing. I suspect that the big-money "powers-that-be" here in the US are more concerned about events rocking THEIR financial boats than they are about costs of a bailout they are able to "share" with (dump on?) the rest of us taxpayers.

  • Posted By: Small business in Peoria @ 09/08/2008 4:53:51 PM

    Look, the real issue is this. I own a small business in the midwest & the onus is on me to be responsible & profitable. If I am not, I have no one to blame but myself. I understand that the failure of Fannie May & Freddie Mac would have world wide implications. With that said the GOVERMENT has failed in its duty to properly manage their federally backed business. You would think that with the amount of financial exposure/risk involved that the GOVERMENT would have watched a bit closer ???

  • Posted By: Small business in Peoria @ 09/08/2008 4:47:31 PM

    Look, its very simple. As a small business owner the onus to be responsible & profitable is on me...NOT the goverment. As a matter of fact I would be MORE profitable if the goverment would allow me to keep & distribute the gains in a responsible manner, not sending it overseas or allowing the pork distributions our congress encourages.

  • Posted By: gvillagran3 @ 09/08/2008 4:30:53 PM

    The real question is for how long can we as a Nation continue to follow the demented Republican policy of reducing taxes while expanding Government spending to unprecedented levels on the bases of IOU's to foreigners.

    The letal convination of uncontrolled Government spending, and Wall Street corrpution scandals, can very well end up undermining the confidence the International investors had in the U.S.
    The real reazon that Fanny and Freddy Mac are now beeing bailed out by the U.S. Trasury is simply because foreign investors were sending a CLEAR SIGNAL that they had it up to here with American fiscal irresponsability and corruption. No new foreign money was forecoming to these lenders, or any other in the sector.

    A financial meltdown, and a run on the U.S. Dollar was on it's way if there was no intervention by the Trasury. After the .com collapse in the late 90's when the NSDAQ was as high as 5,000 points the private investor class left the markets never to come back. The same could hapen now to the International investors if we don't change the way we do business.

  • Posted By: mmshaw @ 09/08/2008 4:28:35 PM

    blackcourt: The U.S. Treasury had to step in or else these foreigners that buy our debt to finance the stupidity of U.S. consumers and the U.S. government would go away and we would be in a world of hurt. The U.S. is like a junkie only with debt. We borrow, borrow, borrow at every level needing an ever greater fix to satisfy our consumption apetite. We can't get off the debt. Basically we're screwed as a nation. We've sold our souls for overconsumption.

  • Posted By: just jerry @ 09/08/2008 3:05:56 PM

    The problem isn't the takeover or the cost: the problem is the lack of accountability. Nothing will change as long as those who had the responsibilities to oversee these financial markets simply pick up the bill without any real consequences for those who didn't live up to their responsibilities.

    • Posted By: TheVigil @ 09/08/2008 3:33:38 PM

      Yep. You're not required to bail out your neighbor if his/her business goes under on the street, but these institutions are "too big to fail". If they're too big to fail, why are they *failing*? The truth is that any institution, no matter how big, can waste its money and overcompensate its top employees and take on risky policies that don't pan out - as FM^2 did.

      I might agree that they have to be shored up in order to protect the world market, but honestly, not without some kind of accountability, like you said. If this means they might have to be government institutions instead of private ones with strictly regulated salaries, etc., then so be it. (Not that government is generally much better in terms of accountability, but at least there's the hope.)

      These institutions are not only not "too big to fail" - they're not too big to fail again. The part we need to do something about is the inevitable tendency for these institutions to require massive bailouts on a regular basis unless substantial policy reform is implemented. Everyone needs to wake up to the fact that bailouts without accountability are essentially a *license* to hemorrhage money.

  • Posted By: 4carol @ 09/08/2008 3:27:55 PM

    Of course, it's beneficial to the overseas markets; everything that we do well enhances the overseas markets. I really don't know why some of you reporters think the American people are stupid or ignorant; we certainly don't need the press to tell us what we already know. How about facts that we don't know???

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