Struggling School-Age Boys

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  • Posted By: livewire51 @ 09/11/2008 2:11:26 AM

    It's about time someone in the mainstream media started writing about how males are being discriminated against. With all the insane sexual harassment laws and special programs for girls and women to the complete exclusion of boys and men, with the pervasive attitude that females are superior to males in just about every way, it's no wonder that boys are showing significant dysfunction. What makes all of this even more disturbing is that most doctors and parents are drugging the boys into compliance. Male rights are slowly being circumvented and their freedom of expression abridged. We better start recognizing second wave feminism for what it is, a bigoted monster.

    • Posted By: Sallygirl @ 09/11/2008 2:56:45 AM

      As a women, I 100% agree with you. Funny how Michele Wie can attempt to be in the men's PGA but a man can't go in the Women's circuit?

  • Posted By: Tracker500 @ 09/11/2008 2:53:36 AM

    The baby boom generation has screwed everything up, so why should we expect anything else. As I was growing up, I had lots of energy. By today's standards, I would have been medicated like a nephew of mine. He was a nice, energetic kid until the parents decided to put him on Ritalin. Now, he is a zombie, ready to explode and shoot the place up at any moment if he ever gets off his medication.

  • Posted By: rkkfa @ 09/11/2008 2:53:02 AM

    Come, all you beast of the field, come and devour!. The watchmen are blind, they all lack knowledge, they are all mute dogs, they lie around and dream, they have mighty apetites, they never have enough, each seeks his own gain. The righteous perish, no one understands. But you, come, you sacrifice your children, they, they are your lot. You sent your ambassadores far away, you did not faint.

  • Posted By: starlight100 @ 09/10/2008 5:52:30 AM

    I have a suggestion for parents. Teach your children good manners, respect for others, take responsibility for your actions, do your best, and lastly you aren't owed anything is the life you need to learn to make your own way. Quit putting all the blame on teachers and expecting them to raise your children. You brought the little creatures into this world - it's your responsibility to raise them.

    • Posted By: aaraaf @ 09/10/2008 9:24:26 AM

      It would also help to teach teachers to respect children. One of my son's teachers was what is deemed a "scremer". She screams all day about everything, even telling the kids, "All I want for Christmas is for you guys to be good so I don't have to scream." Flake.

      Another teacher talked down to the kids. My son stopped asking questions because she would be so snotty about his questions that he couldn't bring himself to ask anything.

      The principal walks around with a bull horn. How stupidly ridiculous is that?

      I do think kids need to be respectful, but it's a two way connection. I don't think it's odd that great teachers often treat the kids with respect, and like people.

      • Posted By: starlight100 @ 09/11/2008 2:52:16 AM

        Yes, I know respect should work both ways. It is a shame when teachers don't respect their students. I would think that is another "lesson" children could learn from - don't act like that!

      • Posted By: kathleen28 @ 09/10/2008 11:13:31 AM

        You described my son's elementary school to a "T". Respect is a two way street and my son was so intimidated by some of his teachers he just shut down. I couldn't believe a teacher would treat a child as they did and expect respect back in return.

  • Posted By: Harveywood @ 09/11/2008 2:41:16 AM

    I have a son who is now 14. He is not on meds and doesn't seem to need them. I also have a daughter who is 16 and she is not on meds either. However my son has always been much more hyper than my daughter. I think that some parents and teachers just want them to be calm at home and in class so they turn to meds right away for there sake and not for the kids sake. If they don't use meds then they use the TV or the Computer so that the boys are occupied and out of the parents already stressfull life. this only compounds the problem in later years. Kids will be kids and boys will be boys. If they do not enteract with each other while growing up such as playing tag at recess then they will not learn how to do it when they become adults. Some parents want to home school tokee their kids away from bad kids and I can understand that but they still need to have a way to learn how to socialize and learn do deal with the bad along with the good and to know the difference. This type of learning is just as important as the acidemics and should not be overlooked or we will start to raise leaders such as Hitler. My son once had a teacher that ehld him in during recess for his bad grades and i let herknow that that was not an acceptable way to deal with his poor grade. For some of us our learnig abilities come later in life and at a time when we are ready. We can not and should not expect every student to develope certain skills at the same age. Einstein's math teacher told him he wouldn't amount to anything but yet look at what his math capabilities were later in life. I graduated high school near the bottom of my class but later went tocollege and was at the top of my class. Also I have a freind who is a step father to a young boy he was having some behaviour problems with him and I suggested something that I noticed while I had the same problem with my son. My son was getting a little too rude so i had a talk with him to keep it under controll. I also realized I hadn't spent as much time with him as I should so I spent sometime with him doing one thingor the other and noticed his chage inattitude and even a high respect for others while he was spending time with me and after.

    • Posted By: rottenmont @ 09/11/2008 2:50:00 AM

      What do you say about the schools having the power to perscribe treatment? Schools can refuse to educate your children now if you don't medicate. It's not always the parents choice at all.

  • Posted By: Harveywood @ 09/11/2008 2:47:56 AM

    sorry this was a two part since i couldn't get it all onone ................................................................................................

    I still let him play video ames and watch tv but sometimes we just go outside and play catch or go for a walk with the dog. Kids that do not interact with adults will not learn how to act as an adult. I heard once that if you treat a kid like a kid then they will grow up to be a kid but if you treat a kidlike an adult they will grow up to be an adult. There is also a real problem with our social structure today where we need to have both parents working in order to pay just the minmum bills and this doesn't help the children. The small deductions we get on taxes doesn't even begin to help us as parents and with the tax dallors spent on fixing the problem after is just that "a problem" should maybe also be used to give larger tax deductions for parents so that they could spend more time with their children and keep the problem from coming up in the first place. Bill Cosby several years ago was also blasted by his own ethnic group for suggesting that they spend less money to buy the best shoes for their children and instead use that money on more meaningful things. I think that this type of spending is not limited to one group of people and I admit I have over spent on my children too. However if we as parents would realize what is needed and what is vanity forour children and instead save that money inorder to be able to work less sothat we could spend more time with our children. One thing about a slow economy is it can be very good for our children since parents will be forced to conserve and instead spend time with their families. Ok i think I have vented enough LOL. :)

  • Posted By: gecko_roman @ 09/11/2008 2:43:42 AM

    the k-12 education system is REALLY F***** up... even more so because of the "no child left behind" act. the curiculum, atleast here, seems like these kids are coming off the assembly line and if they have any malfuctioning parts (psychological problems due to stress, lack of human connection, etc.) then doctors prescribe them drugs. I see a new generation of manufactured junkies on the rise streaming through the "educational" process. you want to know the solution to this? quit prescribing students mandatory bull****! let them think for themselves, and most importantly... to question authority. k-12 teachers are not always correct... theyre there to *GUIDE* not to instill their petty communistic ideals... to put this another way... at my highschool (graduated 06'), the PHYSICAL EDUCATION teachers also taught all the HISTORY and GEOGRAPHY classes! and people wonder why most citizens of the U.S. dont know jack about geography! einstein stated that technology has far surpassed humanity.... i believe that unless there are some MAJOR changes in the educational department and some changes in the way our society operates, the gap will only widen exponentially. on a positive note, college is MUCH MUCH MUCH better and makes me think that the 13 years of hell on the way here was worth it, but i'll do my best to ensure my kids will be enrolled in private schools or homeschooled. i apologize for the rant....

  • Posted By: lovin_eeyore @ 09/11/2008 2:34:18 AM

    As a future educator I find this article relatively accurate. Thinking back to my school years and comparing the children to todays students, there is an apparent difference. We are taught in our education courses that we can not treat our classes the same as we were treated becasue many view the previous methods as harmful instead of helpful. I view the past as the method to create great people like those in my generation. Medication is not the only answer, keep in mind, studies prove effects, not the infinate possible causes. The future mayhems are the ones we need to worry about, not the times of the past. As an educator I hope to help find the balance that will help our young boys not only learn but become self managers (not the parents) and keep them from being medicated zombies.

  • Posted By: lovin_eeyore @ 09/11/2008 2:33:21 AM

    As a future educator I find this article relatively accurate. Thinking back to my school years and comparing the children to todays students, there is an apparent difference. We are taught in our education courses that we can not treat our classes the same as we were treated becasue many view the previous methods as harmful instead of helpful. I view the past as the method to create great people like those in my generation. Medication is not the only answer, keep in mind, studies prove effects, not the infinate possible causes. The future mayhems are the ones we need to worry about, not the times of the past. As an educator I hope to help find the balance that will help our young boys not only learn but become self managers (not the parents) and keep them from being medicated zombies.

  • Posted By: NumberOneDebater @ 09/10/2008 8:42:03 PM

    Wow big surprise, little girls are acting more mature than little boys. This is not an epidemic this is how life has always been, so quit drugging up kids when the are learning the alphabet. Of course boys are going to be more entergenic and want to work with their hands more than girls it is how life works. This is nothing new, but maybe we should start teaching our kids more life values and not the quadratic formula in kindergarten.

    • Posted By: pcd317 @ 09/10/2008 8:49:01 PM

      I agree

      • Posted By: Isis Skye @ 09/10/2008 11:19:54 PM

        This is totall BS!!!! I am female, I am an athlete, I started out a sculptor (working with my hands, hello!), then a massage therapist (more working with my hands, more physicality), now I am in tech (love the problem solving, hate sitting on my butt). ALL kids need activity, ALL kids need respect, ALL kids need to be treated equally in terms of discipline----

        As someone who was reared in the 70s, I cannot BELIEVE the NEANDERTHAL nature of these posts! But they make me presume that there is a LOT of gender stereotyping going on in the REARING of these kids, and maybe boys need a little more EMOTIONAL support, when instead they are being treated like little soldiers. YES, emotions are not just "FOR GIRLS!"

        YIKES!!!!!!! Take a trip to Denmark or Sweden! Take a trip back in time to Crete or Catal Hoyuk or to see different expressions of gender in Native American tribes! This is RIDICULOUS and UN-believable! Not even the uber-right wing Sarah Palin fits your WW2 era gender stereotypes! Join the 21st Century!!!!

        • Posted By: faerylights13 @ 09/11/2008 2:32:00 AM

          THIS IS NOT BS! As a strong woman who frimly believes that women can do what men can do and vice versa, I am not so blind as to deny that there are differences! The comments most of us are making concern generalizations, generalization that are rooted in research I might add. Of course, there are exceptions. I don't think anyone is saying that we can apply all descriptors to all people in all instances. If you think we are so wrong, perhaps you ought to look at the images in our current society with a more critical eye. Just how are men portrayed vice women? Again, I will say that in trying to redress the wrongs of the past, we are swinging too far. The nazi-fems agenda has served to deny differences because to suggest difference is to threatened equality. I vehemently disagree with this thought process. Be proud of what you do, and who you are, open your eyes, and stop insulting people!

  • Posted By: pdpetrov @ 09/11/2008 2:31:09 AM

    Wonder why the author does not even think about the consequences of fatherless families on boys.
    In America every second marriage end-up with divorce and in 95% of the divorces the women obtains physical custody. Countries where the fathers retain physical custody after divorce (European catholic or Orthodox (shared custody) and Musliam countries (the father usually get custody) do not experience such a boom of ADHD)
    I would say in the US more than a third of schoolboys live in a fatherless family and boys need father - here is where the problem lays.
    Of course, there is a lot of so called "mental professionals" - social workers, child psychologists, mental terapists, who make their living on our children tragedy. They love to stuff our children with lithium and other psychotrop substances. This is the other side of the problem.
    Peter from badwalker.com

  • Posted By: rottenmont @ 09/11/2008 2:29:15 AM

    Kids need both parents but the law will not protect the rights of fathers. Only rich fathers who can pay for lawyer after lawyer can win any justice for their children. I've hired two now that have stolen money from me. My son is in a mental hospital and they won't take him from the environment that causing his problems.

  • Posted By: rottenmont @ 09/11/2008 2:25:43 AM

    RE: Kids need both parents. I agree with you and would offer, what do we do with a legal system that will not protect the rights of fathers? I've wanted to be involved with my children their whole lives and I can't get visitation very often. All cost of the children reside with me and the mother gets the bennefits. I pay for child support, medical, dental, travel, and still have to buy gifts and attorneys that have done nothing but steal from me. My son has been hospitalized and tried to commit suicide at the age of 9 and it just keeps getting worse. Sincerely, Jeremy Montgomery - rottenmont@msn.com

  • Posted By: william congreve @ 09/10/2008 9:03:05 PM

    I agree with cork57. Along with "male bashing" comes "boy bashing." (Although I believe the problem began longer than 10 years ago.) Girls are given preferential treatment in schools, with special classes and "girls only" social groups. At the college level, it's hard to find a scholarship for young men. But there are plenty of scholarships for young women. And then we scratch our heads and wonder why boys are failing.

    • Posted By: i_see_ears @ 09/10/2008 11:18:18 PM

      I believe the all girl classes and clubs as well as the scholarships were set up by women for women. Who is stopping the men from setting up something for the guys? Perhaps women are genetically better at organizing.

      • Posted By: faerylights13 @ 09/11/2008 2:22:42 AM

        Uh, anti-discrimination laws and all the nazi-fems determined to 'break down barriers' are stopping men from offering male only scholarships. As "Wish Life Was Fair"'s attitude illustrates, the thought process that boys have been favored, while women do all the real work prevents us from having true equality. We are so busy trying to redress all the wrongs/ills of the past, we are blind to our new prejudices. Men and boys need their own same-sex opportunities, but when they try to do that, they get nailed for so-called discrimination.

  • Posted By: Tracker500 @ 09/11/2008 2:22:31 AM

    The article left out one thing. Girls will be girls and boys will be girls. Don't believe me? Just go to any university campus and you will see what I mean. These boys will grow up to be girly men.

  • Posted By: kidsfirst @ 09/11/2008 2:21:59 AM

    I'd have to agree with the author. I believe that, yes we are moving to the type of society where we are structuring our childrens life at an earlier age. We are so concerned in building a better future for them, building better people, better citizens, a more self reliant being that we forget to let them live their precious childhood years. Why are we so concern with micromanaging their lives? And filling every waking moment with some type of learning activity. We take creativity, fun, and self esteem initiative and confidence right out of them and turn them in to a standardized test score, and eventually they become a test result no longer a person. Let us remember, that childhood is a very precious and short lived, and adulthood will be with us forever and sometimes it's our experiences as childrens that gets us through rough times as adults.

  • Posted By: Milano74 @ 09/11/2008 2:15:17 AM

    I'm not sure where you all are coming from. I have a happy, healthy 12-year old boy who does great in school, and is very well adjusted. I do not worry bout how his future will turn out, becuase I know that he handles himself very well in public, he makes freinds easily, he makes good life choices, and he does the right thing. He lives in a house where both parents work, he knows the value of a dollar, he has to help do household chores as well as outdorr chores, and he manages to eat farily healthily. I'm proud of my son, and I'm proud of the way I parent my son, and I don't have a problem with the public school system he attends. Granted , we live in a small town, but my child also has ever reason to be a wreck. He's really my step-son, and he's been through the wringer with the behavior of his biological mother. He has risen above the murk and refused to be wieghed down by the mire. I have a well-adjusted, helathy child that I couldn't love more or be more proud of. I'm sorry that so many of you don't.

  • Posted By: eclipticsphere17 @ 09/11/2008 2:11:07 AM

    As a product of this system (two years in preschool, straight A's in all honors and now AP, and sports) I have to say that most guys seem apathetic towards life. Now that I am a sophomore, it is worsening, and the line between scholars and average is becoming more prominent. I am glad that this article was published, although I must admit that I feel school would be more enjoyable if there were more "overachievers". Remember that American pride shouldn't consist of wishing for the good old days, but rather our country???s progression into an even more successful nation.

  • Posted By: solidrockpeter @ 09/11/2008 12:47:02 AM

    I wonder if any research has been done to show what percentage of these troubled boys come from broken homes i.e. the boys are not raised by their biological father and biological mother. Maybe the problem with boys today is the lack of tradional structure that only a traditional family can provide.

    • Posted By: faerylights13 @ 09/11/2008 2:08:27 AM

      Research has been done on the impact of fathers on their children and the reults of them not being around vs. being involved in their children's lives. From what I have read, the studies indicate that children are emotionally and socially healthier, less likely to do drugs, less likely to get in trouble with the law, and more likely do well in school. There are exceptions, of course, but I think the edvidence confirms that which we all know: kids need both parents!

  • Posted By: raff618 @ 09/11/2008 2:04:23 AM

    Hey parents,

    I am 21 years old, in college, smoke and drink on the weekends. Guess what, I have a great GPa and am going to graduate with a college degree. You could say I am a close to being a complete grown up ready to take on the wolrd and make some money. I see all sorts of people around school, some kids like me, my friends, and other kids that can't handle stress and eventuall become druggies or just lame. The reason they become this way is because of not bad parenting, but too much parenting. Tell these kids to go outside and get hurt trying sports, riding their bikes, climbing fences and trees. For gods sakes if they can't learn to stick up and try new things the rest of thier lives will be a long a hard road of emotional angst(?). Kids need to go out and play sports or go to the park. It doesn't matter if they are good or not, just make them do it. Of course they won't like it, but what do they know, their kids...they have no idea what's good for them. When I was 5 I was playing tee ball, AYSO soccer and basketball along with other fun activities with my friends. These are important years that they will deveop social skills, along with confidence. If they can't take making fun of learn to back themselves now, they are doomed for high school. ISo good luck and relax., let them be kids, tell them to go to sports and try new things, disconnect their xbox 360 and PS3. Hint: did you get to do everything you wanted, if you did then thats why you suck and are listening to your kids. Grow a pair. I'm out.

    -Neal R

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