Struggling School-Age Boys

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  • Posted By: RenoAid12 @ 09/11/2008 1:00:12 AM

    I'm a homschooler and it was the best decision I made for myself. The US public school system is F***ing Sh**ty. The USA public school system only care about if they get high enough test scores so they can keep getting federal money for their schools. This is absolutely shameful and pisses me off. THESE TESTS DO NOT PREPARE OUR KIDS FOR THE WORLD. HAVING A DESIRE TO LEARN PREPARES OUR KIDS FOR THE WORLD. Most kids who are on ADD or ADHD drugs probably don't need them. In the long term this just hurts them because it hurts their WILL TO LEARN. MENTAL MEDICATIONS ARE OVERLY USED. Parents need to educate themselves about where their kids are and how to help them. Granted a few kids truely do need some medication but most do not. I think the public school system should be erased from our country and replaced with other types of schools like homeschools clubs and private schools.
    OUR GOVERNMENT SHOULD ALLOW PEOPLE TO CHOOSE WHERE TO SEND THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL. OUR GOVERNMENT SHOULD NOT FORCE KIDS TO GO TO PUBLC SCHOOL. Shamefully some states force and/or make it very hard to choose a private school or to homeschool your child. That just makes me F**king pissed. Our Government shouldn't do this and in fact our government should by FOR THE PEOPLE AND BY THE PEOPLE.

  • Posted By: webgurly @ 09/11/2008 12:56:13 AM

    We shouldn't just focus on gender regarding the inequities of the US education system, but focus on the socioeconomic aspects of it. It's more about the children who come from low and middle income neighborhoods who are suffering. There isn't enough funding for schools because of the lack of taxes that are being paid from the properties around the school. One school in the SF bay area calls around parents and neighbors surrounding the school to ask for donations to make up for the budget deficits. This is possible because the school is located in an affluent neighborhood. If the school was in downtown LA, this wouldn't happen because the parents wouldn't have the money to be able to donate to the school. Children are suffering because schools aren't receiving enough adaquate funding and the only way they can get money is to do well on tests. If they don't do well on the tests, then even more money gets taken away from the schools. All schools are not equal and something should be done about this.

  • Posted By: webgurly @ 09/11/2008 12:53:34 AM

    We shouldn't just focus on gender regarding the inequities of the US education system, but focus on the socioeconomic aspects of it. It's more about the children who come from low income neighborhoods who are suffering. There isn't enough funding for schools because of the lack of taxes that are being paid from the properties around the school. One school in the SF bay area calls around parents and neighbors surrounding the school to ask for donations to make up for the budget deficits. This is possible because the school is located in an affluent neighborhood. If the school was in downtown LA, this wouldn't happen because the parents wouldn't have the money to be able to donate to the school. All schools are not equal and something should be done about this.

  • Posted By: aparent @ 09/11/2008 12:10:21 AM

    To Isis Skye... Did you even read the article? All it states is we sould let boys (and the girls) be children. It didn't say boys need to voilent to be functioning, it just said they need to not be overly academic and on a schedule at an early age. Also, your boyfriend from the 1980's wouldn't qualify as an example, the study in question touches on changes in the last 15 years. Lastly, do you have children? It is evidentyou do not.

    • Posted By: Isis Skye @ 09/11/2008 12:53:31 AM

      Whichever post you are referring to (I'm on a roll tonight--have a few), I am challenging other POSTERS. I agree with your interpretation of the article, and the article itself. But all of these people who are stereotyping boys as active, girls as passive, boys as needing to play with guns and be aggressive, girls not being so, boys needing physicality while girls do not, the educational system being "too feminized"---I feel like I have fallen into a serious TIME WARP. No, I have chosen not have my own kids, but I spend time with friend's kids, I have taught kids (digital media), I have a young niece and nephew, and most experientially, I WAS A KID. --a kid who had to fight a lot of gender stereotypes to be sure, but it was not 1/10 as bad growing up when and where I did as it is on these pages. EEGADS! Judging from the majority of these comments, things are getting WORSE instead of better. I thought the Battle of the Sexes ended when I was in diapers!

  • Posted By: cw619 @ 09/10/2008 7:02:31 PM

    There are toooooo many "feel good" programs in the schools that waste money.

    It is time to:
    Segregate the sexes into different schools. Boys and girls are different. It migh even reduce the pregnancy rate.
    Reduce class size to 20. 30-40 students in a class is babysitting.
    Raise teacher salaries to those of lawyers. If you have good teachers, you won't need the lawyers. :-) Don't forget to stand back to avoid the rush of applications.
    Lengthen the school day to incorporate vocational skills, music and sports with academics.
    Save money in the educational system. Eliminate bussing. Purge the "support" staff at the education administrative centers - just give the local principals a budget and let them handle it.
    Stick to the basics in education. Reading, writing and math.
    Have a job placement program for high school students.

    Last and not least. LET THE TEACHERS DO THEIR JOB. TOO MANY ADMINISTRATORS WANT REPORTS AND PROGRAMS RUN BY THE TEACHERS FOR THEM SO THAT THEY CAN JUSTIFY THEIR JOBS. THIS IS BIGGER THAN MOST PEOPLE REALIZE!!!

    • Posted By: Isis Skye @ 09/10/2008 11:58:29 PM

      Segregate the sexes and then......put the girls in burkas, perhaps? Give the boys all an AK47?

      GET REAL! Take a look at the socialization around you. I have spent my whole life fighting the confines of gender stereotypes that people try to box me into. We need MORE equity, not less. We need MORE respecting every child as an individual with individual talents and needs, not a reductive binary system of boys go over here, girls over there. All the stereotypes I hear about how girls are "supposed" to learn---I would have failed out of school if I had been confined to that! I thrived on competition. My sister was a kinesthetic learner, and had to take tests walking around because she needed PHYSICALITY to learn! My mother wanted to be a lawyer or CEO, and she kept getting the door slammed in her face because she was "supposed" to be "nice," "nurturing," "intuitive, not analytical."

      Your thinking is 50 years out of date. --even more out of date if you grew up in the pioneer West. Take an anthro class, do some traveling, expand your horizons. Get out of your Barbie/GI Joe bubble.

      Smaller classes, yes!

      • Posted By: lspar @ 09/11/2008 12:51:07 AM

        I think you are a little over the top. I think it would be great to have a school that taught boys and girls but in seperate classes. This way each gender could learn the way they learn best. Boys and girls are different and it does not matter how much you try to fight that, it is true.

  • Posted By: j_mom @ 09/11/2008 12:48:14 AM

    ATTN: LAErhardt, if only I had the room to comment about your worries. I'm sure I have a limit as to how many characters I can include in my comment. Let's start with #1...don't ever send your child to school without a well balanced breakfast. Mine eat breakfast at home and then again after arriving at school on the bus an hour later. And with the skimpy little "nutritional lunches" they feed the children at school, they arrive home famished!! Just because it's healthy doesn't mean it's fulfilling. My pre-teens have learned to keep snacks in their lockers so they don't starve while at school. By the way, my children are in now way over-weight. #2... I know it's terrible that your son is no longer affectionate, but children, especially boys, are taught not to be too "touchy-feely" because it might be inappropriate with their female classmates. The public teaches them at a very early age that it's wrong to show their feelings publicly. #3... do the activities he endures at school even closely resemble the attention and activities he has been used to for the past five years...or was he suddenly taken from his loving and caring family who understood what he needed and thrown into an environment that said he is nothing special and he has to act like everyone else? I know it sounds harsh, but your comment is the same one I expect to make about my 3-year-old son in two years when he is expected to start to kindergarten. Of course if I don't send him and his home schooled academic achievements fall short of what the gov't has decided they should be.... well, then, I could be sent to jail for child neglect!

  • Posted By: aparentinco @ 09/11/2008 12:11:09 AM

    To Isis Skye... Did you even read the article? All it states is we sould let boys (and the girls) be children. It didn't say boys need to voilent to be functioning, it just said they need to not be overly academic and on a schedule at an early age. Also, your boyfriend from the 1980's wouldn't qualify as an example, the study in question touches on changes in the last 15 years. Lastly, do you have children? It is evidentyou do not.

    • Posted By: Isis Skye @ 09/11/2008 12:37:56 AM

      I am not talking about the article, I am responding to horror to many of the COMMENTS to the article. I think the article is great. The stereotyping is beyond belief!

  • Posted By: chestnut @ 09/11/2008 12:28:21 AM

    My view on this subject is this: first of all, I blame the parents to some extent. Mothers tend to pamper their boys and some insist on them not doing certain things, around the home, for instance because it's not 'man's work', etc.
    The next item for discussion, the games that we tend to buy for our boys, these computer games that more often than not tend to make them more hyper than anything else. To me it only stands to reason that if you give a child one of these games to play and they are on them constantly, they would become nervous wrecks.
    Then there are the foods we/they eat. Filled with chemicals. And the answer to all of these and other things that our children (boys and girls) experience is to give them drugs, that would sort them out. That would make them right. Oh what a tangled web we weave

  • Posted By: carriebarros @ 09/11/2008 12:26:55 AM

    I teach 5th grade in a district that hs banned recess for 4th & 5th graders because it takes time out from academics. We have P.E once a week, though teachers have been screaming for twice a week for years. When I "sneak" my kids out for a morning fresh air break, they perform better until lunch. It's all about testing, these days, and how our school ranks with other schools---a terrible competition in our district. I have been teaching for 25 years, and I have never seen such a hypocritical program as No
    child Left Behind. We are leaving our children behind in their development in exchange for high test scores. It's not working. Recess, play, art, movement, and a relaxed atmosphere will do more for academic achievement than banning these things.

  • Posted By: sirius9098 @ 09/11/2008 12:26:50 AM

    The reason boys are failing these days is that the education system is run by women. Female educators produce a syllabus which favors the female student. Boys need to be taught differently.

    Also, in the teen years, co-education is a major distraction for boys - naturally. Co-ed is good for elementary and high school students, but middle schoolers should be segregated: girls taught by mainly female teachers , and boys by mainly male teachers.

    Have we learned nothing from history?

  • Posted By: salsabob @ 09/08/2008 4:42:17 PM

    On what basis do we leap to this being an "overscheduling" cause or a cause associated with the way we teach today? Sounds like it could be from people longing for the past or being too overschedlued themselves. It may or may not be a causitive factor, but the situation is too important to jump to conclusions and risk 'blowing off' the real underlying factor. For example, ADD/HD is a clinically determined and there is now an epidemic of it - can we really afford to blow-off possible organic factors (environmental/food contamination)? Let's get real about this and dig into the possible factors and not grab so quickly at easy answers like it must be the schools' fault. Or perhaps this is too much for what passes as our attention spans these days?

    • Posted By: themadlibrarian @ 09/11/2008 12:26:09 AM

      Actually, my experience as a teacher of an 'extra-curricular' subject (theatre-before I switched to library media) was that it was the same 10% of the student body who were involved in nearly every activity. The other 90% were largely apathetic, passengers on the bus to nowhere instead of steering a course for themselves.

  • Posted By: cw619 @ 09/10/2008 6:03:11 PM

    Duhhh! The politicians sold out to the feminist movement many years ago so that they could be "equal". This was part of the Johnson (remember him?) "Great Society". First it was racial minorities that were given preferences and the feminists seeing their chance went for it and became another "victim class". Women were the ultimate "victims" because there were so many of them - no "minority" here. As the NOW (National Organization of Women) pushed through women preferences the female advantages drifted down to the educational system. Ultimately, young girls were persuaded to "be all you can be" and make jobs and education a woman's right with the given advantages. So, what do we have now? Suppressed men and boys that must submit to the feminist agenda. Feminist power is concentrated in education, the media and law enforcement. The education situation is covered in the article. The media take over is clear from the shift in news anchor persons. And law enforcement is demonstrated by the overwhelming numbers of female lawyers, prosecutors and judges who have created the largest prison population in the world. (The US has 25% of the WORLD'S prison population.)
    It will take a generation to appreciate the damage done to our young boys and then another generation to correct the damage to our society.

    • Posted By: Isis Skye @ 09/11/2008 12:25:39 AM

      Perhaps you would be happier in Saudi Arabia. Sounds like it.

      GEEZ LOU-EEEZ!

  • Posted By: tgot @ 09/10/2008 6:05:51 PM

    I am a mother that has raised 2 sons & a nephew. And I have learned so very much.
    First, boys NEED that physical release, some sort of exercise, recess, p.e., sports, something. They can't sit in a room all day doing studies with little or no break for that physical activity. Girls do not need that.
    Second, it's not boys all the sudden struggling, it's the school system & Society changing. Teaching styles, curriculum, process, and status. Girls & boys definitely learn differently.

    I often worry about how the world & our school system is evolving, Parents these days don???t take the time with their kids, they don???t pay attention to what???s going on around them in this faced paced world.
    This world still has the old fashioned view of men & women. But in this ever growing society it continually contradicts itself.

    Boys are expected to grow into strong men who can take care & defend their families.
    But, physical activities are restricted
    Their opinions & duties are suppressed
    Their decision making process is stopped short & redirected.
    Their are continually told to be careful, be nicer, don???t hurt feelings, be more sensitive.
    Then ridiculed as adults for not being a MAN or standing up for themselves or their families.

    Girls are expected to grow into beautiful, graceful, self sufficient women
    But are encouraged to be rougher
    Encouraged to be mean & tough.
    Told to express them selves openly & take charge
    And then made fun of for being man like.

    I???m all for Women???s revolution & Women???s rights. But why do our young men have to pay the price. In the beginning, the idea was to make women equal to men. But, it has gone far beyond that. While we???re lifting the women up to meet life???s challenges, we???re suppressing the men with medication. It seems a great effort is being made to make boys/men inferior to women & that is very sad. WHERE IS THE BALANCE???
    Let them be MEN!!!

    • Posted By: Isis Skye @ 09/11/2008 12:24:09 AM

      Boys need physical release and girls DON'T, you say???? First of all, how would you know if you have raised all boys? 2nd, HELLO!!!!! I needed every second of recess as a kid--we actually had 2 each day, thankfully-- and as an adult I run 6-10 miles every morning as soon as I wake up!
      Maybe YOU don't need that, but neither does my dad.
      PLEASE DON'T STEREOTYPE.
      People like you scare me that Title 9 will be taken away.

  • Posted By: dfriend9 @ 09/11/2008 12:23:12 AM

    I thought this article was very interesting. I have also taken my son, recently, to see his pediatrician about his behavior. I thought maybe it was his school. He went to a Catholic school. He had problems with playing around in class, fighting, and not listening. This year I moved him to a county school in Maryland. In the first week he demonstrated the same behavior, The issues was really beginning to worry me. I called the pediatrician to have him evaluated.

  • Posted By: rmvasque @ 09/10/2008 6:06:26 PM

    I too agree with kkeducator. My mother has been a school teacher for 12 years now and has her masters degree. The testing is not an option, and most teachers dislike the fact that they have to put so much emphasis on this. I actually have a 7 year old son that fits into this category as having behavioral issues at times. I have people that tell me, "he's a kid - what do you expect?" and I'm finally coming to grips with reality. They're right! He is just a kid. He's only in 2nd grade. The reason I'm writing this is because everything has now fallen into place for me. My son got in trouble Friday and was put into what the school calls the "opportunity room". It's detention. They sit at a desk with a sort of cubbie on it so that they are isolated and cannot talk to each other. While they are in this room, they are to be doing worksheets that their teacher has provided for them. One of the rules is that they are not allowed to have any help from the attendant in the room. If they don't understand something on their paper, they are to move on because they cannot ask for help. What??!!! Is this not school? A learning enviornment? My son was put in this room during lunch recess and I was not notified of this until 3:00pm. Even better - want to know why he got in trouble? He was playing with a couple boys and one said, "I don't want to be your friend anymore", and walked off. My son then followed the kid and said, "Indiana Jones stinks". The kid turned around and pushed my son to the ground and then hit him repeatedly in the stomach. My son did not hit him at all. This was verified by the duty that saw the whole thing. So I'd like to know why on Earth my son would be put in there and then for the principal to tell me she also would like him to be in this room from 9:00am - 4:00pm on Monday and have his recesses taken away for the rest of the week? A little extreme don't you think? Well, at first I didn't know what to think, so I kinda went along with it. Until now. I just got through visiting with the Superintendant today because, I'm sorry, being in detention for that long, when you are 7 years old, for saying that Indiana Jones stinks is absolutely absurd. Now I can say - you know what? My son may get in trouble every once in a while, but dang it, he's a 7 year old boy.
    I think that is forgotten all too much and people blow things way out of proportion.

    • Posted By: Isis Skye @ 09/11/2008 12:20:28 AM

      Well I am glad you are not blaming feminism like most of these geesers here tonight! In fact, sounds like authoritarianism, the OPPOSITE of feminism. --and the sort of thing my mom would have called the ACLU about.

  • Posted By: LAErhardt @ 09/11/2008 12:18:16 AM

    My child has been in Kindergarten for 3 weeks now which you had to chose morning or afternoon for 3 hours. He was all excited about riding the bus with his older school friend across the street but in order for him to be on the bus he had to ready by 7:00 am to catch the bus which is about 2 miles away even tho he would not reach school untill 8:00 am. So we tried getting him up, dressed, backpack in place and breakfast eaten (the most important meal of the day) all by 7:00 am. Needless to say breakfast has suffered and he is not eating before he goes to school because he usually did not wake up till 8:00 am and he was never hungry till about 9:00 or 9:30 am. So I thought lets not do the bus I will just take him to school that way he can sleep a little longer and eat breakfast. What do you sacrifice breakfast or sleeping longer it seems one or the other suffers. Now 3 weeks later I have seen a normally loving child who comments at all times through the course of the day "Hey Mom I love you" to a child that no longer says those words and seems angry all the time. This has just been 3 weeks he is 5 what will happen when he is in first grade, and now I see this study which is why I am writing this comment. Help are there other parents that can give us some help do we always have to get professional help before we can help our children. Do I need to keep him out of school till 1st grade and then will he be behind the other kids and become angry again. I am 46 years old well educated live in a great school district and in 3 weeks I have seen my child change and not for the better, is every boy ADHA and needs medication? What did our parents do before the medical community diagnosed all these children with a disorder that needs medication with out knowing the long term effects of said medication. I don't remember my brother having these problems and neither do my parents. My problem is mess with me all you want but leave my child alone. What is the answer here? What can I do to provide my child with an education that does'nt change him into an angry person? My child is the future of this world along with every other child, what is the future going to be for any of them if we do not figure out what we need to do to ensure education and well being go hand in hand. Where to begin? I don't know, but there has to be others parents out there seeing this same thing. Does anyone else feel this frustration?

  • Posted By: Redgreen @ 09/10/2008 6:13:48 PM

    I am teacher and have taught both elementary and high school.I had two brothers and I have son and two daughters. The answer to the question is simple: Boys are not allowed to be boys anymore.They have been de-guyed. This started with the feminists of the 60's.They are not allowed to play as boys do. They are expected to sit like precious little girls in their chairs at school all day. Many have no fathers in the home.
    To be a man you have to be around other men. Decent men. Boys need role models. They are surrounded by women at school and at home.BOYS ARE NOT GIRLS, Yet the culture has been brainwashed into believing that boys and girls are NOT different. BALONEY!! Boys have had their identity stripped from them, They don't know who they are or what their role is anymore. They need responsible men in their life. They need an intiation into manhood. It isn't a school problem, although it carries into the school. For a good read about the subject try "How to Hold on to Your Guy Card (In a Chick's World) by B.J. Bradley

    • Posted By: Isis Skye @ 09/11/2008 12:17:34 AM

      I am female, obviously grew up as a girl, and if anyone had treated me, my sister, my mother, or any of her 5 sisters as you stereotype girls to be, I think any and all of us would have gone MAD!!!!!!

      In fact, there is a large body of literature by women in the 1800s who describe this sort of going mad.

      You are so insulting, and really really really sexist. I am SOOOOO very glad I was not subjected to too many teachers with your opinions. (--one in 3rd grade, and Mom had it out with her.) But it saddens me to think how many boys and girls apparently ARE. And what about gay kids, trans kids, intersex kids? How do you prefer we box and stereotype them?

      This is truly scary, like the sort of backlash against gender equity that happened right before the Third Reich took full power. --and right before women got the right to vote. Cuz you know, women having the right to vote would EMASCULATE men, conservatives said!

  • Posted By: wbrower @ 09/11/2008 12:12:07 AM

    what do you think testosterone is? it's what drives boys and men. i'm sick of people trying to brainwash our children to all be the same robots. some are going to be marine corps snipers and some are going to be teachers in an elementary school. some are both hopefully. i'm proud that generations of my family have fought for this country. we hunt, fish, and garden. it's sad our whole country has given way to the thought that violence and guns are the same. it's just sad that everyone wants to pump our children full of drugs instead of working with them in other ways. violence is in our blood, if you think not, your blind to reality. freedom isn't free!

  • Posted By: jrod49 @ 09/11/2008 12:12:04 AM

    Over time, the social adaptation to the intensive handover of America's children to contracted childcare workers and educators will result in anarchy.

  • Posted By: vbergem @ 09/11/2008 12:10:26 AM

    About the spanking, I'm not sure. I was never spanked, and my husband was spanked often. We are both well adjusted adults. As for not enough gym or recess, I agree. In elementary school, my son would come home complaining that one thing after another was being banned on the playground( tag and such). Now he's in middle school. He does not have any PE or gym class ever! Not one the entire year. He chose other electives, and I did let him. I think I would make a different choice if I could go back. My younger son is all boy, and he gets reprimanded for it at school constantly. He's only in 2nd grade.

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