Struggling School-Age Boys

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  • Posted By: Jb Goode @ 09/10/2008 6:54:51 PM










    TO ALL THE KIDS WHO SURVIVED the 1930's, 40's, 50's, 60's and 70's!! First, we survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank while they were pregnant. They took aspirin, ate blue cheese dressing, tuna from a can, and didn' t get tested for diabetes.
    Then after that trauma, we w ere put to sleep on our tummies in baby cribs covered with bright colored lead-based paints. We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets and when we rode our bikes, we had no helmets, not to mention, the risks we took hitchhiking As infants &children, we would ride in cars with no car seats, booster seats, seat belts or air bags.. Riding in the back of a pick up on a warm day was always a special treat. We drank water from the garden hose and NOT from a bottle. We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and NO ONE actually died from this. We ate cupcakes, white bread and real butter and drank Kool-aid made with sugar, but we weren't overweight because, WE WERE ALWAYS OUTSIDE PLAYING!
    We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back when the streetlights came on. No one was able to reach us all day. And we were O. K.
    We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps and then ride down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes After running into the bushes a few times, we learned to solve the problem. We did not have Playstations, Nintendo's, X-boxes, no video games at all, no 150 channels on cable, no video movies or DVD's, no surround-sound or CD's, no cell phones, no personal computers, no Internet or chat rooms....... WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found them!
    We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there were no lawsuits from these accidents.
    We ate worms and mud pies made from dirt, and the worms did not live in us forever.
    We were given BB guns for our 10th birthdays, made up games with sticks and tennis balls and, although we were told it would happen, we did not put out very many eyes.
    We rode bikes or walked t O a friend's house and knocked on the door or rang the bell, or just walked in and talked to them!
    Little League had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment. Imagine that!!
    The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was unheard of. They actually sided with the law!
    These generations have produced some of the best risk-takers, problem solvers and inventors ever!
    The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas.
    We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned HOW TO DEAL WITH IT ALL!
    If YOU are one of them CONGRATULATIONS!



    • Posted By: Isis Skye @ 09/11/2008 12:08:51 AM

      Yes! Except for the smoking mom and the lead-based paint, sounds exactly how I grew up!
      And it was FUN!

      Signed,
      A Woman Who Was Not Stereotyped and Constrained As Half These Posters Would Have Had Her Been, Glad They Weren't My Parents
      :)

  • Posted By: concernedindallas @ 09/11/2008 12:06:46 AM

    Not all preschools are making three year olds master math. I teach at a preschool that values learning social skills, free play inside and outside and personal expression through art and music. Our children learn to think for themselves, ask questions and feel they are valued. They also learn the basics of counting, alphabet, etc., but because it is mingled with the physical activity and inquisitive learning opportunities, the kids learn these academic subjects faster and retain it better.

    My son goes to an all boys school and it's amazing how the way they teach the boys is much different from a coed class. Mandatory sports participation, mandatory arts paticipation (they can choose the arts and sports they like), half hour recess, healthy, protein packed lunches. They study books that attract boys, do active science experiments (electricity, explosions and dissections are popular) and do active learning games such as team jeopardy. It's up to parents to check out the curriculum and make the decision that is best for their unique child.

  • Posted By: jrod49 @ 09/11/2008 12:05:58 AM

    Wow...how surprising to hear such concern come from a journalist. You're right on this one! The average household is beginning to leak its true identity through the degrading performances of their children who have been all but neglected during some of the most critical stages of emotional and psychological development. However, are parents to blame? In the 1950s, a single parent (father) could easily support a family of four on a yearly salary less than 30,000. That leaves room for mom to stay home and provide the type of prep and nuture a child needs during the most critical years of child development. Today, it is almost necessary for both parents to work full-time just to break 40,000. As the cost of living continues to surpass earnings, the pressure of provision and next-generation preperation has caused an increase in the intensity of contracted child care and educational expectations. While improved parenting may be an option, reasonable parenting is often impossible given the circumstances

  • Posted By: samtaylor1 @ 09/10/2008 6:57:33 PM

    There are several factors to be considered; as a single-mother of two boys that have a four year age difference between them, I observe the differences in their behaviors and the way they express themselves and handle their emotions. I have to agree that one factor could be that my eldest had time to develop a strong father/son relationship, wheras; my yougest was only two years of age when my ex-husband left and although their father sees them both regularly, there was not sufficient time for the father/son relationship to build strong.

    An additional factor is that society, in general, has changed dramatically since Sept. 11 disaster. By human nature, we all became more cautious and protective - children are exposed to so much more at an earlier age- more so than ever before.

    Let's not forget that with each year, boys and girls are finally educated that men and women are equal and that both sexes can accomplish and succeed anything. At the same time, women have complained that men are not good communicators, are not expressive enough, etc. Shouldn't we teach our boys that it is ok to show emotion and be expressive? The key is that we need to understand that each person is an individual and will express themselves differently, whether it is a boy or girl. We also need to keep in mind that boys and girls are built differently and we need to take time, especially with boys, to TEACH them how to express and talk about what they are feeling. Boys become frustrated, especially with the different hormones, when they cannot find words to express how they feel. It's ok to help them with this.

    When my youngest son becomes frustrated and emotional, I just stop and give him a hug, let him know it's ok- have him to take a few deep breathes, and help him find words and we find resolve.

    Other reasons he becomes emotional is because he is exhausted (and doesn't realize it) from all the work at school; sometimes, it's just because he may need a healthy snack (nutrional values in food have tremendously decreased over the years).

    Simple solutions: TAKE TIME TO KNOW YOUR CHILDS DIFFERENT MOOD BEHAVIORS AND WHAT MAY BE TRIGGERING THEM! IT MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD AND THERE IS SO MUCH LESS DRAMA ONCE YOU HAVE DONE THIS!

    • Posted By: Isis Skye @ 09/11/2008 12:05:00 AM

      Thank you! I wrote the same thing. "Macho" socialization of boys dehumanizes them, they don't know how to handle emotions or express themselves as a result, they act out, people blame feminists. --who are the ones who are trying to give them more space to be fully themselves, not less.

  • Posted By: jsalvatore @ 09/11/2008 12:04:43 AM

    This study missed the cause for struggling school age boys completely. Our society, manifested severely by the media has so marginalized males (especially white males) over the last ten years that school aged boys do not have any positive role models outside of their own family. It has become so obvious how poorly white males have been portrayed on Television, commercials, and to a lesser degree, movies over this period. Why do you think male enrollment in colleges has dropped off.

  • Posted By: avguy @ 09/10/2008 11:59:17 PM

    My God let boy's be boy's until they have to bang out that work for forty or fifty years. The absolute hatred of all things masculine in our liberal elitist controlled educational system and the world they've now created for us, where a boy has to feel bad just because he likes to be what we always thought boys were in the past, have given these kids a no way out scenario. No wonder they're having issues!

  • Posted By: Ldao1 @ 09/10/2008 11:58:35 PM

    This is probably not politically correct and I'm certain I will get flamed for saying this but do parents spank their children anymore? I was raised by a single mom, who I love to death and respect more than anyone I have ever known, but when I was a child I was terrified of getting in trouble. I knew that if I screwed up at school and got punished it was nothing compared to what would happen when I got home and mom found out about it. Shouldn't children be a little afraid of their parents and the punishment that comes with doing something wrong? I'm a grown man now and by most standards pretty successful and I firmly believe it was all due to the way my mom raised me, the expectations she had of me, and the fear of punishment when I misbehaved.

  • Posted By: MomOfSixDoNoHarm @ 09/10/2008 11:56:19 PM

    Tier, you are wise beyond your years. I totally agree with what you are saying and also believe that from the moment a male is born even their basic human rights begin to be violated in one form or another by culture, society and religious beliefs.

  • Posted By: Shel234 @ 09/10/2008 9:13:01 PM

    The schools I went to in the 60's and 70's were FAR more "sit in your desk and behave yourself" than my experience with schools today. (And don't think I went to a "bad" school! It was top-rated in the nation with a 95% rate of college attendance, and public too. ) I'm in the classroom a great deal and the amount of activity, hands on opportunities, and variety is astounding! What I wouldn't have given to have that! And they still have 30 minutes recess everyday and a PE class twice a week. There is still music, art and drama. What I observe should be a boys' dream, based on the over-extended stereotypes. And the vast majority of them are engaged, eager to learn, and not acting out. The girls too, who seem to enjoy the opportunity to let loose their creativity, show their independence, and have the opportunity to lead as much as boys do. They aren't a bunch of submissive little beauties by any stretch of the imagination!

    Solution strategies: (1) If you are male, volunteer in the classroom. Show boys that education is important to men. (2) If you are male, become a teacher, particularly consider it at the younger grades....don't go into administration. (3) Turn off the video games and the TV, for yourself and your kids. These two things are probably the biggest reasons for kids not getting outside and getting their ya-ya's out. (Hmmmm, people make money from these....not much profit in kids running around outside. Wait! Organize the sports, make them buy equipment, and uniforms, arrange tournaments out-of-town, and then towns will have hotel rooms filled, and restaurants frequented during those tournaments!!!! ....Oh, it's already been done.)

    Standardized testing has received so much emphasis in the last decade to "evaluate" schools. (Are we getting what we're paying for?!) Standardized testing is the least expensive way of doing that. If you want to know whether schools are effective and you want those schools to be individualized and innovative, you better be willing to pay for evaluations that test just that. That means classroom observations, evaluating kid projects, and whole lot of other more diverse methods than paper-and-pencil (or computer-based) tests. That kind of evaluation is much more expensive. What is measured and rewarded is what gets done.

    Folks, WE are society. You want it to change, then you have to figure out where *you* can start the change. Be solution-focused. (I'm going to go play with my kids now. Too late, they're in bed...maybe tomorrow. Darn computer, why did the bulletin board lure me in that way?! Bad computer!)

    • Posted By: DrRussi @ 09/10/2008 9:58:13 PM

      yes We as a society need to change and how will YOU start the change?

      • Posted By: themadlibrarian @ 09/10/2008 11:56:15 PM

        Thank you thank you thank you for suggesting that men get in the classroom whether it be as a volunteer or as a teacher! As an educator myself I completely agree.

  • Posted By: Peregrine @ 09/10/2008 11:42:30 PM

    As an educator and Elementary School pirncipal i would like to say it can't all be blamed on the schools as much as you would like to. For the most part girls are as pushed and over programmed as boys are as the enter and attend school. No doubt our boys are having a harder time in school, but i don't think we can blame schools. We started an extended day kindergarten this year, of the 100 kindergarten children we tested to see who might need extra help, 4 were girls and 20 were boys. Look some where else in your fault finding,.Schools are doing the best they can, we find the children who do the best are the ones where parents take a personal interest in the education of their children and help with home work and review problems they are having to help them understand.

    • Posted By: Pebbles1 @ 09/10/2008 11:54:45 PM

      Schools and families are supossed to be partners in the education of our children blaming either entity won't help the kids. They are our main concern and we need stop playing the blame game. If students arrive at school struggling intervene early. Educators often have more knowledge about what a typical student should be cabable of and parents often know their own childs llikes, dislikes, talents, and quirks. A parent should not have to fight with the school to get the help their child needs and schools should not blame families for the challenges kids may be facing.

    • Posted By: Project Zero @ 09/10/2008 11:48:10 PM

      Assuming that the cirriculum is correctly presented, those problems tend to even out if the correct methods of raising school children are used. Recess and visual aids are necessary, as is reasonable parenting

  • Posted By: Sango @ 09/10/2008 11:53:56 PM

    OH my god!!
    I am tired of hearing teachers, schools , and government being the problem with our kids education. Have any of you seen the reports on families in our country? Looked at how backlogged our juvenile courts are?Or the lack of or extreme structure kids have after school.
    The other comment I hear is that there is nothing for kids to do!! I am so sick and tired of hearing that excuse. There are so many more activities for kids to partake in year round. Twenty times the amount I was offered as a kid. I do agree that kids need to get out of their homes and find a pickup football, baseball, or tag game. How many of those do you see in our parks or neighborhoods in your town? And, pleae, not all kids have to always be winners of the contest! Losing builds character and a desire to get better, work harder! the goal should be to get kids active and to learn to work hard to win. The pride in a real win, through hard work, is a great feeling.
    All these excuses are the reason kids are failing! We are so afraid to take responsibility for our own homes and families. If my kids start bringing home bad grades, the first place blame will be placed is on my sons and the myself for not checking, helping, and taking an acitive role in their schooling. Look within!!!!

  • Posted By: wbrower @ 09/10/2008 11:52:35 PM

    this is ridiculous! leave our kids alone, some learn differently then others. i love the fact that my 4yr old loves guns and acts like a soldier. that's part of teaching our son's how to become real men. screw your drugs and adhd, i'd rather have my boy out in the backyard playing cowboy and indians.

  • Posted By: kpatlin @ 09/10/2008 7:53:14 PM

    I cannot agree more about losing recess and my son only learning what is on the state standardized test. He comes home with so much homework there isn't time to play with friends outside. Each year passes and he is told one more thing he can't do at recess. THe boys can't play starwars, they can't play tag, they can't play fight, they can't wrestle, they can't play football, they can't pretend they have any kind of weapon whether it be a light saber or a sword. If you have never raised you boy you will never know that they will turn anything into a weapon and there are always "Good Guys and Bad Guys". It's just in their blood. They CAN jump rope or play wall ball. He learned his multiplication facts and division at home. The teacher let us know there just wasn't enough time to teach the basics at school. The focus was on the Standardized test. There isn't time for art. He hasn't made anything at school for a Holiday in years. Oh my goodness if you celebrate something. I am the mother of 2 boys. I came from a family of 3 girls. Boys are definitely different as they should be.

    • Posted By: Isis Skye @ 09/10/2008 11:47:25 PM

      I agree that kids need time for play, athletics, and art. But I question how much of your expectations of how boys "are" comes from cues they are getting from you, or from cues they are getting from the media you let them consume.

      As girls, we played tag, we fought, we wrestled al the time. --cuz no one told us we couldn't or shouldn't. We played with cap guns when parents were not around, but I felt cruel about that. --perhaps just as easily "because I am a Pisces," as "because I am female!"

      Conversely, my dad was and is a bookworm who hates sports. My boyfriend hates sports. His father hates sports. My dad joined the National Guard to avoid going to VietNam when I was a baby. My boyfriend's dad was an anti-war activist, as is my boyfriend. The latter 2 men, actually about 2/3 of the men I know, are vegetarians because they don't want to harm animals. My high school boyfriend (1980s)/still friend was from Sweden and he ABHORS any kind of violence. In Sweden, he tells me, any war toys were illegal when he was growing up. So no boys played with guns. All my male friends take bugs outside rather than squash them.

      Violence is not "in their blood," it's in their cartoons, their magazines, their video games, the commericals aimed at them, in endless war culture. And as long as people choose to propagate the very ANTI-MALE idea that men are "by nature" violent monsters, humanity is always going to be in a real pickle.

      Incidentally, in the ancient Middle East, the "ideal feminine" was an athlete and warrior. Archaeologists and comparative literature scholars know this from the writings of priestesses to the goddess Innana. Look it up.

  • Posted By: DEVKUMAR@STIS.NET @ 09/10/2008 11:47:25 PM

    THE ISSUE WITH BOYS BEING BEHIND STARTS WITH THE ATTENTION THAT BOYS MOTHERS WAY OF RAISING THEIR SONS DIFFERENT WITH THEIR GIRLS BY GIVING ALL TO GIRLS AS A MINI ME SYNDROM WHILE BOYS ARE NOT COMMUNICATED THE ESSENTILAS OF LIFE-- FOLLOWED BY THE DISSING OF BOYS BY THE GIRLS IN SCHOOL WITH THEIR SEXY CLOTHES WHICH THE GIRLS MOTHERS ON PURPOSE ALLOW FOLLOWED BY THE MOTHERS EXPERIENCED ADVICE THAT ALLOWS GIRLS A UPPERHAND OVER BOYS. THIS EFFECTS THEIR EGO AND HENCE DROP DOWN IN GRADES DUE TO ATTENTIO SPAN DISORDER.

  • Posted By: Project Zero @ 09/10/2008 11:29:21 PM

    Thank you, TIER. I would like to add that 70% of school teachers (maybe more) are women! Seeing the connection, people???

    • Posted By: themadlibrarian @ 09/10/2008 11:37:39 PM

      Maybe if society actually valued and respected teachers enough to pay them salaries comparable to what can be made in the professional world with the same level of education more men would become teachers! The stereotype is partly to blame here; men don't become teachers partly because teaching and nurturing children is seen as a 'female' job. So rather than complaing about the way female teachers educate your chlidren, some men should step up and try to do the job better.

      • Posted By: Project Zero @ 09/10/2008 11:44:34 PM

        You're right, but at the same time, you're missing the point I'm saying. Female teachers will be better geared to girls, as are males to boys. Everything you said was correct except suggesting that I'm blaming the teachers for this problem just because they are female

  • Posted By: Pebbles1 @ 09/10/2008 11:44:20 PM

    "Our expectations for our children have been ramped up but the psychological and physical development of our children has remained about the same. Some kids are thriving in the changing world. But many aren't. What parents and teachers see???and what this government study now shows???is that the ones who can't handle it are disproportionately boys. " HOW TRUE! My husband I have 3 boys and have made them our top priority. We have spent the last 19 years sharing parenting and family life. It is our believe that children need to be raised with love, responsibility & discipline, respect, and opportunities. We have devoted a great deal of time and family resources to our boys. Some things are beyond the knowledge or control of parents. We have been blessed with an exceptional mental health counselor. Who has supported each of us through the maze of family and school challenges, not limited to- school testing, IEPs, 504s, multiple diagnosis (LD, emotional behavioral,& more), medications, meetings, negotiations etc. etc. What's going on? If only I knew. I feel like school is structured to meet the natural likes and strengths of girls. Yet, our boys are being educated in these environments.
    My kids thrived in their accredited preschool- no worksheets!!! Lots of hands on, creative dramatics, science exploration, art, outside play, emergent literacy, in other words developmentally appropriate experiences.
    A side note: in Sweden children are not expected to read until age eight. They have age appropriate literacy lessons and activities yet research shows with the right exposure to and encouragement of without frustration and lables children will not only learn to read but will develop a love of reading and learning.
    Best Practices are research based and developmentally appropriate!!!!
    Please remember even when all looks good from the outside, possibly picture perfect- there can be hidden disabilities or disorders and passing judgements will never solve the problems or help in any way. If your child or any child you care about is struggling seek help and learn all you can about the challenges. Everyone is a person first!!
    My kids do enjoy fishing, campfires, swimming, sports, playing musical instuments, travel, tv, music concerts, computers, texting, video games, bike riding etc. etc. All sounds pretty normal

  • Posted By: ldballenger @ 09/10/2008 11:36:57 PM

    Consider the downplay of a spiritual basis in society and a moral guide such as the Bible which has increasiningly been removed from school and culture in the name of political correctness and conflict avoidance. The statistics from such sources as Gallup and Barna show a consistent downward trend in children's behavior - especially boys - in direct relation to distance from Christian experience and absolute moral guide. I have a son. He is a great kid and I am thankful that because I have kept his focus balanced physically, mentally, and spiritually with real fundamental biblical foundations, he is emerging as a bright, gifted, well-balanced, and well-behaved young man. I am not a perfect parent, but I have a great support system through faith and moral tradition. He doesn't need medication or psychotherapy, he has a relationship with God and a value for biblical foundation in every area of his life. Wake up America, and look at the big picture and maybe we will still have a chance to rescue this young generation before it collapses beneath us! Medication and counseling are not the solution. Books that point out the problem are interesting, but writing that gives valid and real answers are what people need.

    • Posted By: Project Zero @ 09/10/2008 11:41:56 PM

      I admire all the work you did in raising the future of America. Of course, the real credit comes in when your children come out on top. We must crush the oligarchy that is promoting the evils of the media, like rap music, High School Musical, fake buillsh*t like that. It does nobody good in cultivating their state of body, mind and soul!

  • Posted By: Project Zero @ 09/10/2008 11:38:09 PM

    THE QUICK FIX: DUMP THE FINANCIAL OLIGARCHY THAT REVERSES AND DESTROYS PROGRESS IN THIS NATION! THEY ARE GETTING KICKBACKS FROM THIS SOCIAL DISASTER!

  • Posted By: lasallegardens @ 09/10/2008 10:27:12 PM

    So glad these problems are finally getting attention! It's not easy homeschooling, but this article just reminded me of some of the huge pluses of being able to let me kids learn at home. My boys are well above average in their testing but one in particular could never survive sitting in a desk for hours on end. I thank God and America for the freedoms we have here to make these sorts of choices. Wish I had a better idea for how to help the boys in school who don't have the opportunity to homeschool.

    • Posted By: i_see_ears @ 09/10/2008 11:37:53 PM

      Just out of interest, what are your boys planning to do career wise? Being able to sit at a desk and pound out work is a must for a lot of jobs.

  • Posted By: Redgreen @ 09/10/2008 9:47:20 PM

    Posted By: Redgreen @ 09/10/2008 6:13:48 PM
    Comment: I am teacher and have taught both elementary and high school.I had two brothers and I have son and two daughters. The answer to the question is simple: Boys are not allowed to be boys anymore.They have been de-guyed. This started with the feminists of the 60's.They are not allowed to play as boys do. They are expected to sit like precious little girls in their chairs at school all day. Many have no fathers in the home.
    To be a man you have to be around other men. Decent men. Boys need role models. They are surrounded by women at school and at home.BOYS ARE NOT GIRLS, Yet the culture has been brainwashed into believing that boys and girls are NOT different. BALONEY!! Boys have had their identity stripped from them, They don't know who they are or what their role is anymore. They need responsible men in their life. They need an intiation into manhood. It isn't a school problem, although it carries into the school. For a good read about the subject try "How to Hold on to Your Guy Card (In a Chick's World) by B.J. Bradley

    • Posted By: i_see_ears @ 09/10/2008 10:12:26 PM

      Amen! Where the father's at? Making a baby doesn't make you a father, raising a child does. And, don't forget the importants of a father figure in a girl's life as well. How is she ever going to be in a relationship with a good man if she's never seen one?

      • Posted By: ljcapechick @ 09/10/2008 11:37:50 PM

        Amen to both of you from a mom of 3 boys w/two twin boys on the way who's so sick & tired of girl-power this, and girls rule! that, and girls-only soccer, girls self-esteem clubs, etc. That's fine to empower young women, but don' t leave the boys in the dust. Dads need to step up to the plate and their women need to be proud of them for being MEN. And you're so right about girls needing daddies just as much, but in a different way.

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