Struggling School-Age Boys

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  • Posted By: cricketts @ 09/10/2008 10:21:50 PM

    The problem is not with the "Damn liberals" or "feminists" as some of these comments have stated. Hands on classes such as wood shop etc have been canceled due to lack of funding and time limits from trying to teach kids more and teaching to a test. I can guarantee you that feminists have not been conspiring to get rid of hands on classes. They have been trying to give girls the equal opportunity to learn those skills if they desire. Our kids are messed up today because we start expecting them to follow an adults time schedule by the time they are 12, assigning so much home work that they have no free time after school, and not allowing them to act like children. The hands off policy of many school now days (no tag, no hugging, and no games of any kind where children may accidently come in contact with one another) may also have a huge role. Children are no longer learning how to interact with each other so of course they are going to have mental problems.

  • Posted By: nmartin @ 09/10/2008 10:21:18 PM

    I have an eight year old child who was recently diagnosed with pervasive developmental disorder (NOS) For the past three years he was misdiagnosed 2 times. He also suffers from the same issues mentioned in this article. I do work however I try to keep his schedule fairly relaxed so he has time to play with his friends and just be a kid. Society sure has changed since I was 8. We used to be able to do family vacations in the summer and really spend family time. Now it seems as if the cost of living has made it almost impossible to be the parents we were fortunate enough to have...well, some of us. I have three children and have had to always work. I love them all dearly and I hope what I am able to give of myself will be enough to sustain them into adulthood.

  • Posted By: Waffles @ 09/10/2008 10:21:00 PM

    I think this is an excellent articl.e. In response to the comment that "our generation was able to
    play 3 sports, do their homework, and work", I too came from that generation. Unfortunatley, school and
    sports have changed a great deal. For example, if a boy wanted to participate in football, wrestling, and
    baseball this would be an endeavor of epic proportion. He would need not only to practice during the
    seasons but would also be expected to attend football and wrestling camp in the summer as well
    as play summer baseball. Then he would be strongly encouraged to attend weight and fitness camp. He might also be involved in a wrestling club. By juniiot year most students have narrowed their sport down
    to 2 sports f not one. Sometimes they burn out altogether--because many of them have been doing
    an intense sport regiment since elementary school. Then their is the increasing academic demands. In
    our state the high school graduation requirements have changed dramatically in the past five years.
    Now, a quite difficult state competency needs to be passed., a culminating project completed and for
    incoming freshman they will need to pass Algebra II (For those adept at Math this does not seem like a
    big deal--foir those who struggle in math it is another mountain to climb). As a result, many students
    are chosing to obtain their GED. My daughter did pass all the requirements, participated in sports, and
    worked. It was at a price . Her juniot year I took her for a medical check-up because she was so tired.
    I thought she was anemica or low thyroid. The diagnosis was "lack of sleep". I was appalled and we
    looked for ways to cut back on her schedule.
    What I find intteresting is that as the stress and pressure increases, the opportunities to blow off steam
    decreases. At football games spirit signs are disallowed (because of the occasional inappropriate sign--
    could they not throw them away), boys cannot be shirtless with their school colors painted on, the chant
    "We got spirit, yes we do, we got spirt how about you?" is forbidden, and the school drummer was asked
    to play softer. It certainly feels like a pressure cooker with no steam outlet. We do need to rethink how
    teach, coach, and provide recreation for our children

  • Posted By: Jacobins09 @ 09/10/2008 10:20:41 PM

    A Present High-School Senior's Perspective. -If you're interested, being a present senior in highschool, this is my outlook on my past schooling. I have mild ADHD, as many of my peers do. Yet, I find that my attention span and attitude always fluctuate according to my interest level in the subject. Personally, I feel that it is simply my interest that determines my performance in class.
    Many times I find myself growing tired, just as many workers do I'm sure, of the classrooms and hallways day after day. I just think to myself that "if we could just have class in a courtyard or somewhere with sunlight I would feel much better about class. Everytime I recieve college advertisments in the mail, pictures of outside classes always catch my eye and immediately give me a good impression of the school. My experience and opinion is that more classes should be nature oriented, hands-on, and potentially more physical oriented also. This would boost my interest in school greatly, and my performance following.

  • Posted By: KatBGWA @ 09/10/2008 9:51:08 PM

    Just a short note to the person commenting on parents being too busy for their kids and ADHD being a hoax. I left my job two years ago to devote all of this time I supposedly have none of to my son because he suffers from an epidemic that people dismiss as a hoax. Believe me, I would much rather have it be a hoax than have to deal with everything that goes along with ADHD when it's real. But people who spout off crap that they can't relate to or understand make it hard for kids who really do suffer. Not everyone is blessed with what I'm sure you have, the perfect kids.

    • Posted By: soulfire @ 09/10/2008 10:01:13 PM

      I agree with you. some children really do have ADHD, but sadly some don't really have it but are taking the medication. I would like it if you could explain more to me what distinguishes them. I have an active boy, but this does not mean he's got ADHD. what are the signs?

      • Posted By: KatBGWA @ 09/10/2008 10:19:07 PM

        Understand that boys are made to be wild. I agree with that. It's when that normal instinct to be a normal boy becomes more that just a since of him driving you nuts. It becomes a situation where the child's ADHD is interfering with the ability to function in situations and interferes with the people around him. Last year my son could not sit in a classroom without humming outloud while he worked. He had impulse issues to the degree he would act out at kids walking by because they were there but not really know why he acted against them. He would come unglued and melt down for being asked to sit in one place and work on a project. We put him on medication last June. It was the hardest decision and the last I wanted to make. It was either that or he would be moved to a special education class where he would not "interfere" with the other children. I couldn't blame them. He wasn't learning and neither were they. He is like a different child this year. We still have a few issues. I'm sure we always will. He is a boy. But they are normal boy being boy issues now.

    • Posted By: lizet84 @ 09/10/2008 10:05:23 PM

      Just a short note back,... i know what u mean...becasue I also have a boy (very very "energetic") and am very busy since I am a single mom...and I am saying what im saying becasue I can relate....and have also done research on ADHD medications. it hits close to home and it bothers me that so many people medicate their children.

  • Posted By: nujirol @ 09/10/2008 10:15:24 PM

    This is so very true. So, how can we change this society to make it more "boys friendly"? They need more free/outdoor time. They need more creative classes where things are taught with visual aides. They need to be discplined in creative and productive manner, not just being yelled at or told to go sit in the corner. Can these things be implemented in our school system someday or is it a wishful thinking?

  • Posted By: WillieCrash @ 09/10/2008 10:13:37 PM

    What happens when a boy goes out on Grandpaws farm? Has anyone ever been walking down to the pond and heard his grandson say, "I wish I could be here forever.", well, I have and that's when I figured I had done something right. Men are hunter gatherers and when the enviornment matches the instincts, a boy begins to turn into a man. Go ahead and do your studies. You can make your boy a jack of all trades, but he will never master anything. All 5 of my grandchildren know how to fish and I didn't give them a fish, I gave them the pole.
    Willie Nelson

  • Posted By: homeschooler @ 09/08/2008 2:23:19 PM

    I see many moms in our homeschool group that have decided to homeschool their boys purely because the school system doesn't allow boys to be boys and have fun, free play. Boys are meant to be physical and have a need to excert energy and the school systems are not allowing that, no wonder most boys are on some sort of medication. Parents need to stand up and fight for their kids and tell these "educators" if you can really call them that, that their children need to be kids.

    • Posted By: Cjcarey0212 @ 09/10/2008 10:13:20 PM

      First, Let me say that i am a 17 year old boy who has gone to a public school my whole life. Now i say this because I am also a camp educator at the local zoo. So i will say that saying a teacher is not really a teacher offends me and everything I know. Teacher work way too hard to deal with those types of remarks. As an educator my main job was not only to teach about conservation and animals but also i had to teach children how to follow rules, how to behave towards other children, and ,shockingly, how to wipe themselves. It seems that the goverment as well and parents are making teachers teach things that are not their responsibility. I mean im 17 years old and i'm teaching 4 to 6 year old children how to wipe. It is amazing to think that children going into kindergarden can't do something as simple as tie their shoe. I think it shows that parents spend very little time with their children and expect teachers to teach life lessons. Im sorry if i offend anyone with these statements but it is something that most should reflect on. My second comment is that at the camps our main idea was to get children out and it truely worked it helped boys concentrate and it really did make them open their minds and make new friends.however at school,the main thing i learned from school test taking, test prep, how to fill in bubbles, and how to use information i have learned on tests, and only on tests. The "test" weither it be ACT's or the State assessment test have lead to the serious downfall of all students before going out and doing after-school activities I was really not able to preform critical thinking or reasoning. I was not able to use anything i learned in school out of class. The key word is "BEFORE",when your kids become teenagers the compatition for college gets extremely intense and it leads to us taking on so many tasks and our plates get filled quickly... I alone have a job, 2 volunteer jobs, 3 leadership positions for clubs at school, 2 after school sports, and classes i take for an array of different things,i really do not come until 10 at night and then could be up doing 3 hours of homework for AP classes. What im getting at is that my work load is so big because people have pushed the idea that i won't get into college if i do not do these things, alsoso watered down so you can use things for a test ,really the only real-world helpful hints i learned i learned from after school activites. Third and finally, i know i went on a slight tangent the last paragragh but i will say that sometimes ADHD is a joke,do not get me wrong i School has become have worked with kids who really do have it and it can be a very difficult and tiring illness to deal with, but i think we are now willing to say that a boy being a roudy boy is an ADHD victim, and give him the meds to make him into a zombie. I hope my little comments can be reflected upon and i know i am only 17 but truely we are more aware then you give us credit for sometimes

    • Posted By: tracebooks @ 09/10/2008 10:02:14 PM

      That's one big reason we chose to homeschool our 3 kids. Some of the other reasons cited in other comments apply as well: they aren't exposed to things like GMOs, high fructose corn syrup, pesticides etc. because we don't eat that way. They can choose their friends, instead of being thrust into a room full of all kids the same age from the same zip code. They choose to read all "boy" books if they want. I don't have to worry about classroom control, so no reason to worry about ADHD. They can have male mentors that I vet and pick myself.

      I got tired of the "system" waiting to fix itself. I'm all for school reform, but I'm not going to subject my kids to its problems while I wait.

    • Posted By: jettagrl @ 09/10/2008 12:04:31 PM

      Both of my boys go to public school. Luckily we have a great school that they go to. My youngest son started Kindergarden this year which he goes all day (7 hours long). He only has 17 kids in his class. They still have recess and are aloud to run around (which from what I am seeing is not the norm). What I especially like is that after recess they have quiet time where they sit at there desks and put there heads down to rest. They are aloud to bring an afternoon snack since they eat lunch so early in the day. The last 45 minutes of the day they have "Centers". Which is just different activities set up in the classroom for them to do that is fun for them but at the same time they are still learning. The best part is is that they don't even realize that they are learning because the teacher is now breathing down their necks telling them no that's not right or do that over again. This was the same schedule that my 8 year old had when he was in Kindergarden. He is now in 3rd grade but doing 4th grade math and 4th grade reading. I believe this has a lot to do with how his first year was in Kindergarden and the great teacher that he had that helped instill the discipline of learning in to him. Bottom line is that if you don't have a teacher that cares about your child there is going to be problems. At the same time if you have a parent at home that is not puttingin the same effort you are going to have problems. No matter what is going on in your life your kids come first. Believe me my career has put me in situations where I made the wrong mistake and put my job first. That happened one time and unfortunately my youngest son suffered because of that. NOTHING comes before your kids.

  • Posted By: jules4skiing @ 09/10/2008 9:40:33 PM

    There are a few people blaming this on feminism. I'm a single parent. For ten years I was the sole provider for both of us. I worked sometimes two jobs. Then I was diagnosed with stage 3 breast cancer when my son was in second grade. Speed forward. I'm almost done with my bachelors degree in management, work fulltime, active in our local baseball league (boys), junior achievement, challenge my son to water skiing, and I fish. His biological father? He's paid some child support for three years now, except I usually spend it on attorney fees every year because see the male judges allow him to take me to court every year to try and lower his support. He owns two businesses, two condos in Florida, one in Michigan (on the big lake), and he lives in half a mil home yet he has no money. He thinks I should work harder. OH and he hasn't seen his son in 2 1/2 years. This is what alot of the boys in my area are seeing. There is nothing feminist here. I just do what needs to be done. And my wonderful father is an awesome influence to my son. I'm glad the biological father has nothing to do with his life. He's better off and so am I, except the once a year thing

    • Posted By: lucky111 @ 09/10/2008 10:11:17 PM

      sad that his father is such a d%%%..

      may I ask, where is the balance, do you say the same about women who do much worse and get away with everything in the divorce and don't deserve it. When we say Feminism, we do not mean that you cannot succeed on your own cause you are a girl.. what we mean is that feminists have told this lie that men and women are the same, and that boy behavior is bad. We have to teach them to act like little girls. (when biologically we are not, we are not menat to act like you do, and our normal behavior should not be shunned cause women may think it to rough)

      This is what we are talking about, and you sound like you are doing a great job and he is doing things a normal boy would do in his childhood despite the fact the dad is not there. I do have another question though, since you did bring this all up.. as far as his support, is it more than enough to support him, his clothes, his home, his food, and anything else he needs.. or does it support that much as well as new cars and clothes for you, your school and such? I agree the father should pay for his kid and make sure his kid has a good life and house for him to stay and all... I just don't agree that the ex also gets enough to not work as well and have a new car every year etc etc etc..

      If you are not one of those women, then great, sorry I brought it up. If you are, then I have no sympathy for you if your ex is mad at you.. I have sympathy for your son though, and you sound like you are doing a great job

  • Posted By: Lifelong learner @ 09/10/2008 10:10:36 PM

    Boys are different then girls. They have different body parts, act different and even learn different. So why are schools set up to encourage girls but restirct boys?
    As an educator working with both sexes I can tell you the first thing people need to do is stop what they are doing and just play. I have seen many four year olds who don't have time to play, to learn, to explore. There is no curiousity in our children anymore. Our children don't need an activity every night. PLAY PLAY PLAY.

    As for those with ADHD, I have seen drugs do wonder in many children which is great. I have also seen a child who is diagnosed with ADHD on medications and shouldn't be. ADHD has to be seen in all areas of your childs life. NOT JUST HOME. Too many Doctors are taking the parents words and not looking at how the child is doing at daycare, school, or other areas. If you are a parent talk to the places where your child attends and have them fill out a rating scale which you can get from your doctor or most schools have them on hand. If you find out you are just struggling wiht your child at home ask for help from nieghbors, friends, teachers or take classes. Parents are the first childs teacher. You can do it, but d on't be afraid to ask for help.

    It takes a village to raise a child!

  • Posted By: pcampion @ 09/10/2008 10:04:14 PM

    The damn liberals are ruining our kids. Especially the femanzis, who are pushing there political views on them. The schools have also stopped teaching auto mechanics, machinery, wood shop etc.. Now this study is coming out, wow, how muchy did it cost for this common sense finding, I bet the government paid millions.

  • Posted By: Sparksfly8 @ 09/10/2008 10:02:41 PM

    The root of all these problems is overscheduling and lack of time for young boys to play and get their energy out. Too much pressure equals children who crack under it. We all need to chill out and allow our children to be children. And, yes, recess is a thing of the past. As a former teacher, I found it appalling that there wasn't scheduled time, everyday, for children to play. By nature, children are extremely active and the ever-changing world, controlled by adults, seems to think that the earlier the better for academics and learning. Students can't sit in seats all day, forced to soak up as much as possible, without ever enjoying fresh air, socialization, and the time to be a kid. We have also inundated their lives with unnecessary homework, tutoring, after school activities, etc. So, when these children get home, they don't even have time to play. When they do, it's video games. That's a whole other issue, and perhaps another reason why our children aren't learning. Let it marinate.

  • Posted By: Waffles @ 09/10/2008 10:01:26 PM

    Comment: It was actually a very good argument. I also was an in era that students could play 3 sports,
    do their homewirk and work. High school, however, is very different, as well as sports. For example, if
    a bit was to particpate in football, wrestling, and baseball it would require training not jist during the season,
    but all summer. He would be expected to attend football camp and wrestling camp (and perhaps particpate
    in club wrestling, as well as play summer baeball. He would also be strongly encouraged to attend
    weight and fitness training class during the summer. These boys (and girls as well) have been
    dealing with these schedules for years. Many time by their junior year they have narrowed down to 2
    sports or maybe even 1. If they are really burned out they will not participate. In addition, the academic
    load is much greater. Our state routinely has new requirements for high school graduation. Now
    everyone will need to pass Alegebra II in 2013 to graduate. Last year graduates had to pass
    a state competency test and complete a culminating project. Some are chosing to earn their GED because
    after several attempts they could not pass the state test. (It is not an easy test and favors those who
    are competent at written language -(-even math problems need to be explained). My daughter, fortunatley
    met all the requirements, worked and participated in sports. It was at a price. She was so tired her
    juniior yer I took her to her pediatrician for a check-up.. After all the testsresuluts thediagnosis was" not
    enough sleep. ". I was appalled and we really tried to think of ways to reduce her stress and schedule.

    What I find most interesting is that while the pressure and stress increase --the ways to blow off steam
    decrease. At football games they cannot make spirit signs (because of the occasional inappriapriate sighs-I don't know why they can't throw them in the trash),boys cannot be shirtless with their school colors painted on, the chant "WEe got spirit yes we do" is diallowed and the drummer was asked to drum softer.) High
    school is pressure packed, whether you are involved in sports, dance, DECA, etc. So yes I can see why boys are at risk as well as some girls.

  • Posted By: StGeorge @ 09/10/2008 9:22:01 PM

    It comes down to this, our boys have not been allowed to be boys the last 10-15 years. The feminization of American society has told them that what boys do naturally is wrong. Do you not think that would lead to frustration and anxiety that manifests itself by lashing out? Sure it would. Can't play dodgeball boys because someone might get hurt. Can't play tag because someone might get offended. Can't roughhouse because some smaller boy might cry. Can't be who are you are because it might offend a little girl. It has gotten ridiculous. The advent of the problems with boys directly correlates with the advent and pushing upon us of political correctness which is the feminization of our society. I have raised both daughters and a son and I can tell you boys just naturally are rough and tumble for the most part and our feminist society tells that is wrong. This is the real issue.

    • Posted By: i_see_ears @ 09/10/2008 10:00:55 PM

      I'm not sure that it is so much feminism that is leading to no more tag in schools. It's a country that likes to sue school systems when their child gets injured. With our generation, who didn't get a busted lip? Who didn't know at least one person in their grade that broke their arm falling off the monkey bars at school? In our day, that was part of being a kid. Now it's a lawsuit.

      Side note: Feminists are teaching girls to be more like boys. And as a feminist, I will take on anyone in this discussion in a game of dodge ball and I will win, even if I have to bust someone's lip to do it ;-)

    • Posted By: kildare @ 09/10/2008 9:50:30 PM

      I've been saying this for a while myself - before I even had children! (Do you by any chance read Ivan Illich?) I mean, no point discounting girls as people - I am one, and a gifted one at that - but to praise either gender at the expense of the other is a detriment to all. I thought that was supposed to be the point of feminism...but I've seen an awful lot of abuses in the past decade or so.

  • Posted By: soulfire @ 09/10/2008 9:50:17 PM

    I feel a child needs tructure. this is why I did send my son to pre-school so he would be prepared for the real thing. I think balance is the key. He went to pre-school only half days 3 times a week. the rest of the time, he was free to play at will. But still structure must remain at home with diner time and bedtime routines. TV must be monitored and timed. read books for relaxation not just for learning. My child is super active, but I don't believe he's got ADHD even if some of my friends think he does. I just wish people could see the differance between and active boy vs a child who can't concentrate. I think girls are just less active by nature, so they can strive better sitting in a class room than boys can. And by active I don't mean they don't like sports, I mean they don't have the urge to jump and run all the time. If chemicals is the problem then all children would be affected because we're all exposed to them. Good luck with your sons and don't let anyone say your child is ADHD without having many medical opinions first. You know your child best, go with your gutt.

    • Posted By: wakeupamericu @ 09/10/2008 10:00:09 PM

      35 years later and i still have some great memories of Pre school ....what does that say...putting the thermometer in a glass of snow then warm water....tricycles on roads painted on the floor ....naps ....hey i learned about temperature and driving and i was 4 and it was great ...if only we could go back

  • Posted By: lizbet @ 09/10/2008 9:59:33 PM

    Sensitivity to the need for girls to blossom -- to go forth, to succeed, to flourish and not take back seat to what appeared to be smarter, more assertive, energy loaded boys... teachers actively stepped up to the plate. by ignoring the boys, let's say when they raised hand to answer, and picking a girl, hey , look what we've got. Stifled male children, depressed, melancholic, candidates for pharmaceuticals. Budding masculinity with all that implies is/has been carefully tamped down. Maybe we'll see in future women flying helicopters to high mountain tops in the thick of blizzard to rescue at the end of a dangling tether the stranded hiker who has broken his leg. In 20 degree weather. Or us women will do the same out in the wilds of storming seas to perform a similar rescue. We will rush into burning high-rise buildings, without mewling, to rescue. Rescue, rescue, rescue. The Great American Full Fledged Adult Male. It's who the suffering of the world turn to to dig their wells for water the Males of third world just cannot. Not without the sheer 'can-do' design of the Western Hemisphere Great Male. Are feminists who set this into motion happier seeing our little males despondent.? As they try to work out that they are inclined to grow into the perpetual rescuer but must work on figuring how to stifle all that is trying to blossom. One question: Why did those who disdained All-Man maleness win in stomping out the one fire so to set women/girls free?

  • Posted By: Jacobins09 @ 09/10/2008 9:58:58 PM

    I'm a seventeen year old now in my senior year of high school. In my past years, I have certainly noticed that in my classes, boys tend to get in trouble more often and are harder to control. This is indeed most likely due to the nature of our personalities, and this does need to be taken into account in the schools. My experience is that I often find myself longing to just have class outside in nature. I get tired of the rooms and halls in a very short period of time. I have been clinically proven to have a short attention span, but I find that my concentration usually varies with my environment and attitude.

    If you want a highschool senior's oppinion, more classes should somehow take place outside in a more hands-on and interesting form. This would greatly improve my performance in school.

  • Posted By: onekrabbegirl @ 09/10/2008 9:22:17 PM

    My son is now 12 going on 13 and is in 7th grade. They pushed the ADD issue on me when he was in 2nd grade, I had him tested and agreed on a trial basis to take the med...Concerta on its lowest dosage, after about a month it was like a light switch went on. His issue is comprehension. When he reads something he cannot understand what it mean, and when the teacher is in the front of the class trying to teach something he says she reminds him of Charlie Browns teacher...wah wah blah blah and can't really grasph what she is trying to tell him. After starting on Concerta, he did have no appetite, but we worked with it and he eats smaller meals throughout the day instead of one big meal 3 times a day. It is so wonderfule now, he used to sit for hours trying to do about 20 minutes of homework crying in frustration because he could not understand what we were trying to teach him. Now he has his homework done by the time we get hom from work. He is more focused and a much happier child. So I do believe that these kids that act like zombies are either on the wrong medication or to big of a dose. Or could very well have been dianosed. But my daughter is now in 2nd grade and last year they started in about I should have her tested because she is not social enough, but the year before in Kindergarten they said she was to social, so I have to agree on both sides of the debate. I do think there are some teachers who try to label any child out of the normal box they have as problematic and always seem to suggest ADD. My daughter gets straight A's on everything, she is just very high spirited and stubborn, and if there was medication for that, I think all MEN would want us women on it. : )

    • Posted By: lucky111 @ 09/10/2008 9:56:25 PM

      May I make a small comment. about your post. It has been studied rather succesfully in fact that we have switched teaching boys like boys. Instead we teach them like girls. Sit straight, don't fidget, do your work. As a boy I didn't need pills, your son sounds just like everyone I knew and I myself was, we eventually grew out of it when we were allowed to develop like we were supposed too.

      Pills have started to be prescribed when parents and especially teachers didn't want to deal with children how they were supposed to naturally be. Since this new generation is coming of age, I am seriously waiting to see how all these artificial chemicals put in the brain will do to them. Here is what I wanted to ask you though...so he was fidgety and didn't concentrate (ANy man who is on this board will say, they didn't either)

      I wanted to tell you a little about me, and something you may want to think about in regards to your son. I am a normal guy, was normal in my childhood, up until now. (A few years ago I developed an anxiety condition due to a stressful job and I became an agoraphobic for a time. IN that time I was prescribed Paxil as well as other drugs, and I can tell you it did change my body, my mind, and my creativity went for a time, and I was only on the drug for 4 weeks before I took myself off.

      I went to a psychologist who taught me how to deal with what my body was going thru and don't rely on the meds.. and now for the most part I am 95% normal again. I found that the drugs while making my head feel funny and dizzzy really did nothing for me, and if the agoraphobia I went thru is any indication.. by all accounts I shouldn't be walking around now if I had some sort of chemical imbalance as they say.

      What intrigues me about your case is.. since I have been on drugs like these and know what it feels like, and know the adverse changes they cause, can you say beyond a shadow of a doubt that these drugs didn't change him into something he was not supposed to be. I am not talking about a loser or anything.. but if your son is how you say he was, and I know from your description thats how all boys were supposed to be, how do you know the drugs haven't made him lose something that would have been there without them.

      YOur son may have been an extreme case and needed these things to function, but I cant help but think that without these drugs he would have straightened out naturally. He would have been just as smart and attentive, but how do you know that his personality and make up is the same now than if he took those drugs.? Just a thought to ponder.. Once again, maybe he did need them, I wont argue, cause everyone is different I spose..I just think back to how I was before I started to put these chemicals in my brain, and I can tell you i know I lost something and don't feel exactly the way I felt before I took them.

  • Posted By: BRENKAT10 @ 09/10/2008 9:55:10 PM

    Its easy for everyone to see the world from "their own eyes" and say what should be done. Here is MY point of view and what I think should be done. Every child is different and there are too many reasons to suggest that "time in the country" or "fishin" is the cure all. While medication is not the answer to all problems, it IS the answer to some! Its disheartening to hear judgemental people suggest that what "children like my son" really need is "...........not medication". Until you know how we live, what we go through, and why we made the EDUCATED decision to utilize medications...you have no grounds or right to make such comments. Raising "5 kids" or "3 hyperactive kids" etc etc, is ABSOLUTELY NOT THE SAME AS raising and emotionally disturbed or behaviorally challenged child OF YOUR OWN!!
    So to Peg Tyre:
    WE SURE AS HECK DO NEED MORE MENTAL HEALTH HELP FOR OUR SCHOOLS! We DO NOT KNOW if its lack of parental care, vaccinations, poor diet, over working and overstressing, not enough free-play, preschool too early, overscheduling, not enough "duck, duck, goose", no music, art class, gym class ETC ETC ETC.........................and UNTIL we get all that mess sorted out: WE COULD USE A LITTLE MORE HELP IN THE MENTAL HEALTH DEPARTMENT! AND A HELL OF ALOT MORE UNDERSTANDING TOWARDS THESE BOYS AND THEIR PARENTS!

  • Posted By: gnjmo @ 09/10/2008 7:26:34 PM

    According to this article, the 5th paragraph on the 1st page has some of the reason why boys are not doing well in schools but somehow girls are not affected. I dont know about everyone else but i think that maybe, just maybe boys are spending to much time online(doing god know what), playing video games, and parents are just letting their boys act like boys for much longer than they should.
    Im NOT saying that early education or zero playtime are the way to go but perhaps parents should discipline their kids much better at home at an EARLYage and not leave it up to the rest of society(teachers, grandparents, the maintanence person at mcdonalds) to do it for them. A healthy balance of discipline and playtime will do wonders.
    I also believe that the ADHD excuse has gone on for far to long. Yes, there are valid cases of ADHD but seriously why is it that when a boy is doing an activity he enjoys he can go on for hours, and as soon as there is a chore, or homework they can't concentrate. People think "Dear Bobby must feel this way because he has ADHD not because he just doesn't feel like doing it. That would just be weird if a boy didn't want to do chores" But the reality is that it is not wierd at all and we somehow forget that noone like to do chores.
    I have two cousin, from different sets parents, who were told they had ADHD when they were young boys and the Drs advised that they be medicaded. The rest of the family knew that this was not a case of ADHD but a case of bad parenting. One cousin was the only boy from his side of the family so he was sort of special. The other had a mother that never stuck to her diciplinary actions but always repremanded her daughter. This resulted in spoiled boys. Now they behave much better, one more so than the other,but it was done without medicine and some serious dicipline from everyone in the family.

    • Posted By: hotrxmom @ 09/10/2008 9:53:47 PM

      My husband and I started to discipline our son from the start. We did allow him to be a "young boy" but at the same time implemented academics. He does play video games, but those games are educational games sold by Leap Frog/Leapster. We don't just set him in front of the tv to play video games 24/7!!! BUT WE HAVE NOT LEFT IT UP TO TEACHERS OR SOCIETY TO RAISE OR DISCIPLINE OUR SON--PERIOD!!! So is it my fault that my 5 year old son will not pay close attention for 7 hours in a kindergarten class, while sitting at a desk????? ABSOLUTELY NOT--THE SCHOOLS JUST ARE NOT ALLOWING KIDS TO BE KIDS IN KINDERGARTEN ANY LONGER. SO I TAKE OFFENSE, THAT PARENTS LIKE MYSELF WHO ARE TOLD THEIR 5 YEAR OLD MAY BE ADHD BECAUSE HE WILL NOT SIT IN A DESK FOR 7 HOURS, WHEN WE ARE TOLD IT IS OUR FAULT AS PARENTS AND WE ARE FAILURES!!!

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