Struggling School-Age Boys

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  • Posted By: 777jsw @ 09/10/2008 8:04:01 PM

    My grandson told me yesterday that the PE teacher got upset because he held the ball too long, threw too hard, wanted to basically play the game. But when we expect a boy to play with the girls, have female PE teachers, focus on tons of homework after school and get to bed by 9:00pm, there is very little time to "be a boy". Venus and Mars people! We're stifling them.

  • Posted By: Hyperpred @ 09/10/2008 8:04:00 PM

    You know, I still see a major emphasis on kids being overweight. Again, yes you can drive by and not see kids outside playing because they are all playing video games. I make video games and still find time to play outside. I think that a lot of people don't realize how much children emulate their parents. So yeah, they aren't going outside but then again their parents are "fat and lazy" and so what is the difference? I wish that parents would spend more "quality" time with their children. Not sitting in front of the tv or even dinner. But take them outside and play catch or get together with other parents and allow children time to explore and rough around. Seems like that would probably help a lot :S

  • Posted By: 777jsw @ 09/10/2008 7:40:47 PM

    My grandson is ADHD and excuse me k0216 if your ill informed. It's real right down to the ticks and energy. Meds have helped to study in school-inprovement was and is progressive. He's catching up. He's smart as a whip, has major parental and grandparent involvement and family constent. He's loving and energetic and it is wonderful. We just go him drums! We'd wish he didn't need meds, but he's happier at this point being able to sit stiller, focus and keep up with he's peers and kids don't make fun of ticks we only see at nite or morning when his meds are worn off. We were leary of medicating but with help he is socially, mentally and emotionally happier. So please get educated.

    • Posted By: thestudent55 @ 09/10/2008 8:02:06 PM

      yea just drug the kids into submission and make them homework doing machines

  • Posted By: JoeDoaks @ 09/10/2008 7:55:17 PM

    So you think that all these "pre-men" are having problems right now ...what with absent working fathers (or in many cases...none...simply because it never occurred to the mothers to insist upon being married and be at least locked into some solid social relationship that is durable enough to last beyond their notions of raising a family on their own). Just wait until all these "Soccer Moms" saddle up and decide to vote as a block for the anti-feminist stooge that Karl Rove has so cleverly thrown into the political mix with that other republican muppet, John McCain. He wants to stay in Iraq for one hundred years or even longer and will invade Iran as soon as he is able to be sworn in. And guess what... Sara Palin will gladly martial all the votes he needs from a bunch of women who are so anxious to assume the role of doing a man's job in the office of the presidency that they will blindly follow this silly cow from Alaska in the fervent hope that MaCain will drop dead sooner than later and "a woman" will finally assume the most powerful governing office in the world. It's enough to make one get a little weepy...except for the fact that it is in McCain's gene set to live to an age that would raise Methuselah's eye brows in envy. If these two muppets get elected...having sons with Attention Deficit Disorders of all shapes and sizes will be the least of their problems... and their mothers' ,mostly because dodging AK-47 rounds and places likely to have IEDs has a tendency to focus a young Army Draftee's attention real damned quick!. The women who get on board with this right-wing split-tail should ask themselves... "Where she will carry "The Football" should the day ever come that she has to assume the presidency...in her Beehive Hairdo?" Come one girls...Wake up!...

    • Posted By: Sheila in Oregon @ 09/10/2008 8:01:21 PM

      Wow! I thought we were discussing boys in school, not the McCain/palin ticket.

  • Posted By: Luvmy2suns @ 09/10/2008 8:01:05 PM

    What a wake up call, you have hit the nail right on the head! I have 2 sons aged 13 and 7 and my 7 year old son is already struggling with his school work as a second grader. I noticed that when he was in the first grade how the curriculum has drastically changed since by eldest son was in the first grade. It is time for the US to stop trying to keep up with "The Joneses" such as Japan and China and start looking at what works best for our children. I am one parent who is not afraid to get her hands dirty when it comes to what is best for our children. Lets all get together and work this out, lets save our children!

  • Posted By: jkyddg1 @ 09/10/2008 8:00:57 PM

    i agree with "ghnjmo" as a father of three girls and one boy. i can attest to the fact that boys spend to much time on game boys and the internet. i have long said that internet games must be a commie plot that is destroying our young males. they are given the game boys at an early age, to act as a baby sitter, so they will be quiet and be entertained. the problem is that they learn to expect immediate gratification and they expect that from everything in life on subconscious level. i would like to see a study on the effect of the male brain development, showing how all the stimulus to the brain has effected the chemistry. this has lead to boredom in real life situations for young men, even into there late thirties. we see more and more young men that would rather socialize on the net, than in person. this even includes the athletic males, as my son and his friends were always in sports. but, as young adults they have chosen to play games and not sports. this has translated to their jobs and lack of motivation, because real life moves to slow and rewards come to slow. they are addicted to "immediate gratification"

  • Posted By: shaysta @ 09/10/2008 7:57:02 PM

    I work as a kindergarten aide, the school that I work at treats boys and girls equally. We have P.E. 2x a week art once a week and music once a week. We also go out to recess twice a day. In between all this we still manage reading, math and social studies. And we have a rest period of 20 minutes. I agree that boys have to be boys but the parents should be teaching them that there is a time and place for that, and that time is not when the teacher is trying to teach them. I see it everyday the disrespect and total diregard for any authority figure. It's disgraceful. Stop blaming the schools. It's the lack of disipline at home that is the root of the problem. And the ones who have to suffer are the children that are the polite attentive ones, they usually get pushed aside because of all the children that have behavioral issues. And have to be spoken to 50x a day. It start at home . Start teaching your children early that it is not ok to talk back to your teacher, and to be kind and helpful , and to have respect for others and themselves.

  • Posted By: thefallenangel26 @ 09/10/2008 7:54:48 PM

    In reply to passion8.....The USA also has a rising obesity rate....and to use one of your very own examples.....many companies in Japan schedual exercize into their workday requiring their employees to participate and keep active,not to mention that their government is now puting a requirement on their citizens to have a certian size waist line (that the government has deemed acceptable according to each individuals height and gender). Also in support of this artical many studies have shown exercize to have a significan effect on mood. So while I am not ruling out the points that you made in your post (you do have some good points to take into account) I would have to say that this artical may have some validity as well, and I dont think it should be regaurded as "bullshit"....in your words.

  • Posted By: Scooby-wan Kenobi @ 09/10/2008 7:51:35 PM

    Other countries have higher academic schedules, true, but look at the whole picture. These countries also have a significantly higher suicide rate of students, so I don???t believe these boys are handling it. Therefore, should we be looking up to these countries or learning from their mistakes?

  • Posted By: Scooby-wan Kenobi @ 09/10/2008 7:50:00 PM

    Other countries have higher academic schedules, true, but look at the whole picture. These countries also have a significantly higher suicide rate of students, so I don???t believe these boys are handling it. Therefore, should we be looking up to these countries or learning from their mistakes?

  • Posted By: ShareTheCause @ 09/10/2008 7:49:52 PM

    Lets not forgett diet may also play into the problem too. Basically eating too much white food with lots of sugar added and less colored food with pigments and no omega-3 suppliments or fish and your child is headed for developmental problems. I agree with all the above in the artcle but I know the typical junk american fast food diet is adding it's two cents worth to the problem too.

  • Posted By: selzie @ 09/10/2008 7:48:21 PM

    My 9 year old son came home yesterday with 3 hours worth of homework due the next day. When I asked him why he had been given so much, he stated "because some of the kids in class fell asleep this morning". I asked him if they fell asleep in class at their desk? He said "yes". Talking to myself out loud..I asked "Do they not get enough sleep at night?" He answered me..."We don't get to run and play before school and recess takes to long to get here, so we don't get energized".

    It seems that we might be able to fix some of the issues we face with our son's if we just listened to them, my son certainly knows the problem with his class.

  • Posted By: passion8kisses @ 09/10/2008 7:48:10 PM

    Bullshit. Boys in other countries handle this educational schedule well and thrive on it, outperforming our boys in tests and therefore later in the job market. Take Japan for an example. I taught students in advanced education as was appalled at their inability to read, write their own language. Reading comprehension skills were terrible and they lacked discipline to do homework, reading assignments.The schools answer was to eliminate tests and give everyone an A just for showing up to class, then we'd teach them tricks on how to pass their multiple choice nursing boards later. Do you want them to be your nurse some day? I don't. I do not believe in teaching to the test because the purpose of the test is to ascertain what students know or don't know, to motivate them to learn, not to "give everybody an A". I believe the cause to the problems our boys are having lies in a combination of the breakdown of families, breakdown of marriages, economic stressors, poor diet, and poor parenting skills. Our society is reaping the fallout of the druggie and "me first" generation.

  • Posted By: 777jsw @ 09/10/2008 7:41:43 PM

    My grandson is ADHD and excuse me k0216 if your ill informed. It's real right down to the ticks and energy. Meds have helped to study in school-inprovement was and is progressive. He's catching up. He's smart as a whip, has major parental and grandparent involvement and family constent. He's loving and energetic and it is wonderful. We just go him drums! We'd wish he didn't need meds, but he's happier at this point being able to sit stiller, focus and keep up with he's peers and kids don't make fun of ticks we only see at nite or morning when his meds are worn off. We were leary of medicating but with help he is socially, mentally and emotionally happier. So please get educated.

  • Posted By: Donna1946 @ 09/10/2008 7:40:39 PM

    In the summer drive thru a residential area during the day. You won't see children out playing. They are all inside playing video games and watching tv. Or in daycare. And in the daycares the kids are often expected to sit passively for some kind of presentation. I remember my son spending hours building a bike ramp with neighbor boys. I teach. We expect boys to sit still all day in chairs that do not fit at desks that are often too little or too big. The author is right. recesses are a thing of the past, as are art, music, pe, social students. We teach only what is tested. Thank you no child lefft behind.

  • Posted By: serabi @ 09/10/2008 7:40:27 PM

    I find the comment about 'not believing in ADHD' truly ignorant. She is fortunate not to have a child that suffers with this. My son has ADD not ADHD and I can say this is very real. I am a very involved mother and ensure he has time to stimulate his whole being, mentally, physically and emotionally. Outdoor physical play, social interaction, proper rest and nutrition all play important roles. Being in medicine for more than a decade, I wish he did not have to take medicine but we must have him on a minimal dose just to have him engaged in class. Homework each day takes hours and he is only 10. I have not read all of the comments, but there is also ongoing research how boys and girls learn differently and pressures of socializing. More evidence points to early education for boys and girls separately. I would love to see more research on this topic. What are your thoughts?

  • Posted By: passion8kisses @ 09/10/2008 7:36:16 PM

    Bullshit. Boys in other countries can take this kind of educational schedule and they not only handle it well, they thrive on it and beat the socks off our boys academically. As a result, the boys in other countries are also surpassing our boys later in the business world. Like Japan, for instance. Look elsewhere for the problems our boys are having. I for one believe the answer may be found in the breakdown of families, marriages, economic stress, and/or lack of parenting skills.

  • Posted By: fourward50 @ 09/10/2008 7:34:31 PM

    AMEN !! You hit the nail on the head. I have been in the pubilc schools for 29 years and it is absolutely absurd what the state requires of elementary age kids. The testing and teaching to the test has ruined a very good thing. You can blame these idiots that want schools to follow a business model and spit out a product instaed of well rounded citizens.

  • Posted By: sootfoot @ 09/10/2008 7:25:37 PM

    Although I agree with the author's basic premise- namely, that the school system's failure to accommodate inherent behavioral differences between genders is what causes boys to fail more often than girls- I really resented the author's assertion that boys "...can't handle..." today's higher expectations as well as girls can. If anything, males can handle the expectations better, as is evidenced by the male's consistent ability over women (in general) to pioneer, to set higher standards of intensity, and to be maverick leaders. Any semi-intelligent person can clearly see that it is always males who are the disobedient ones in school. Meanwhile, females are more often submissive to the teacher's every instruction. This is why male students fail to succeed as well as female students. Since I think we can all agree that disobedience, no matter how malign the individual exercising it, is synonymous with having an independent mind, let me say this: In general, males think more independently than do females. And the tendency toward independent thought is largely discouraged by the educational system. More specifically, the educational system is designed in such a way as to promote the building of industry soldiers, so that a child with an obedient (and therefore soldier-like) mind is well suited to excel within the educational system's rigid structure, and thus have greater chances for "success" within the industry thereafter. On the other hand, a disobedient (independent) mind is met with order, rules, and little room for creativity, all of which act as barriers that prevent such a mind from reaching its full potential.
    The change that needs to take place in the educational system is this: Creativity, originality, free expression, and other such joys for the independent mind must become the primary focus over all other methods of instruction (right now it is the exact opposite, with the foregoing qualities subordinated to bland, rigid structure). If schools were to make the change I'm proposing, males would start to excel. And by the way, as an added note, I find it repulsive that some parents respond to their child's "behavioral disorder" by giving she/he medication. Such an approach is a quintessential example of how our society is unquestionably moving toward a 1984/Brave New World-type society. To try and change a child's behavior for the sake of the continued mobilization of our industrial system is to say, "If you can't fall in line, then we'll literally change your brain chemistry so that you become an obedient soldier."

    • Posted By: hg583 @ 09/10/2008 7:32:35 PM

      If you find medication repulsive, that is your choice. However you can't include every person and circumstance in your statement. I assume that you do not or have any family that does not have adhd. Think about this though, if your child had a heart condition would you give him medication then?

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