Struggling School-Age Boys

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  • Posted By: scole22003 @ 09/10/2008 1:26:52 PM

    Although I see at-home discipline as the larger issue, I cannot help but notice that today people are having families later on in life i.e. starting families at 40 and beyond. Are there consequences to this very popular trend? Children, boys in particular take energy. Are kids too energetic or are parents today getting too old to keep up with the demand? We really have to consider things from all angles.

  • Posted By: cosmbo @ 09/10/2008 1:23:23 PM

    This is exactly why i won't allow my kids to 'go' to school!! We play and have fun at home and, believe it or not, my kids are learning fine!! They are content, have high self-esteem and understand they aren't living up to ANYONES standards!! They move at 'their' pace. That is what is wrong with schools today. They are pushing kids ahead, forcing their standards on these small children that may not even be emotionally/developmentally ready to handle the material!! When a child struggles, they get held back. I agree, there is a rise in ADHD, but I question whether there are actually more 'ADHD' kids...or kids that would 'thrive' in a classroom that puts their needs first (not those *** standardized tests!!) Schools now put more emphasis on those tests, because that is where they get the money. I'd almost say to have parents start running schools again. Leave the state out of it!! Schools would get much further that way.

  • Posted By: George Sanders @ 09/10/2008 1:18:04 PM

    As the father of three boys, I have almost 30 years of exposure to raising adolescent boys. There is no question that if I had to do it all over again in today???s society the responsibility would be much more difficult. Most children today come from either a home of one parent, or a home where their mother is working 9 to 5.

    I wonder if there has been any study comparing the mental health of young boys today being cared for by ???stay-at-home??? moms and the thousands of young boys whose crucial care is in the hands of day schools, teachers and sitters.

    Children whose parents are absent daily for long periods of time do not learn social behavior well in a group and from third parties in an environment of troubled kids. Granted, it is sometimes necessary for both fathers and mothers to be employed to support their family. Those parents could do with an in-depth study of the challenges this presents in raising their children.

    Another problem, too many young parents today have rather put their children on the ???back burner???, with a ???Me First??? attitude, or a primordial career approach when it comes to raising their sons and daughters.

  • Posted By: Mom to 2 @ 09/10/2008 1:15:37 PM

    Bravo International Mother! When parents start talking and listening to their children, really listening to them, and begin to respect and continue to respect their individuality and personality even when it may differ from their own (and yes, you'll find they will do the same in turn for you, and no, this doesn't mean letting them get away with everything and letting them walk all over you), then I firmly believe that most of these problems will disappear. But that takes time, and time to listen and hold true conversations is one thing that no one seems to have time for anymore. (Pretty soon, there will be classes for children to learn how to hold a proper conversation, if there aren't already! :)

  • Posted By: scole22003 @ 09/10/2008 1:14:45 PM

    Although I see at-home discipline as the larger issue, I cannot help but notice that today people are having families later on in life i.e. starting families at 40 and beyond. Are there consequences to this very popular trend? Children, boys in particular take energy. Are kids too energetic or are parents today getting too old to keep up with the demand? We really have to consider things from all angles.

  • Posted By: Robvme @ 09/08/2008 8:22:20 PM

    This was completely engineered and now we wonder at the results? Back in the day we were concerned about our girls and how they did at math and science. Well guess what? We over compensated and completely ignored the boys. I have a solution, go back to all boys and all girls schools to eliminate any bias there may be in the system. We don't see this problem in Asia or Europe. I agree with the post on feminizing America as well. Sometimes you just need to put aside all the bull around political correctness and call a duck a duck. We took artificial measures to correct a very real problem with discrimination in America instead of getting to the core of recognizing and rewarding performance we embraced propping up gender, race, religion, and everything else we could to fit a statistical model. Now we have a lot of very unqualified people in the work force that perpetuate this. This is why unions can be poisonous as well. Being on the job for 15years should be a guarantee you get to keep your job if you do not perform, yet in academia, labor trades, etc... we see this nepotism continue. So why are we surprised that boys are behind when have deliberately set up a system that pays more attention to girls? Not sure, but I am glad I have a daughter.

    • Posted By: Esencia08 @ 09/08/2008 10:51:43 PM

      For your information the trend of females outperforming boys in school and college is a worldwide trend where girls have equal access to education. It is a societal trend that will continue because it is part of a natural evolution spurred on by environmental and cultural factors. Boys will have to learn how to adapt to these societal changes which will benefit all of society in the long run.

      • Posted By: Fort Begay @ 09/10/2008 1:13:48 PM

        Thank you. If only al the God-in-the-Classroom knew the root of education, they realize that's how schools in the US started. If a boy couldn't memorize the scriptures in school, he dishonored his family. I wonder if there is a bit of that sentiment in these responses.

  • Posted By: JDmom @ 09/10/2008 1:12:29 PM

    i am mom of twin girls in preschool but totally agree that boys and girls have different interests and i believe the schools starting preschool keeping this in mind should have the circullum split equally so both sexes flourish. I strongly believe teachers should start considering themselves as the second mom and dad in one package. I know once we achieve a 50 50 that's then its a fair game and its then we will have PEACE in this world.

  • Posted By: PACBrad @ 09/10/2008 1:11:14 PM

    I partially agree with Peg Tyre's article and this is certainly a hot topic with out any one right answer. I am a rural health Family Practice PA, as well as an evangelical Christian and home schooling parent. In other ward, I play on both ends of the fence by medically treating psychosocial disorders in young boys and girls by promoting healthy mental, emotional and physical development of the children in my clinic (as well as my own) with out the use of Medicine. ADHD does not always equal bad behavior. Believe it or not, their are some well discipled kids that have ADHD. This disorder is complex neurochemical disorder that varies in severity, often times is associated with other problems such as anxiety, OCD, depression, ODD, etc..., and we don't truly know what causes it. Raising and educating Kids starts from the beginning and I do think that we've gotten too far away from hands on learning, matching learning strategy to age related mental capacity, respect for adult authority, enough play based physical activity, and balanced nutrition. Our home school group has a child with aspberger's syndrome, one with autism, and a few that would meet the criteria for ADHD, but all are well disciplined and developing well both socially and academically to their potential through the right developmental strategies.

  • Posted By: Armuline @ 09/10/2008 1:10:25 PM

    I think that many times we forget how frenetic our children's stimulation is now from birth on. From noisy toys that light up and change songs every time a button is pushed to TV and video games. Things have to be bright, loud and action packed to get children's attention. In addition, now TV is being linked to ADD. The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends not letting babies watch TV until they are 2. My Developmental Psychology class recommended that children should not watch TV until they are 5. Why? Because it inhibits synapse production in the brain.

    Things that we used to read and watch are now considered boring by this current generation. Even video games and TV shows that were popular are now dull and boring in comparison.

    So, what is the point? We are teaching our children in many ways to be ADD. If things aren't bright, loud, entertaining, and catch your interest it is not worth sitting and learning. I am not saying that ADD wasn't around before loud toys and TV, but we are aggravating the problem with them.

  • Posted By: Bambismom @ 09/10/2008 1:09:48 PM

    Mimosafirefly has said it all.

  • Posted By: Bambismom @ 09/10/2008 12:08:21 PM

    Dear Newsperson: My son aced his SAT's and he couldn't graduate because of sub-standard homework. He aced all of his tests and classroom work. Got A's in all of that.....but was failed for sub-standard HOME WORK. Tell me your not surprised. Anything he turned in was NOT good enough....Hows that?

    • Posted By: JustAnotherWoman @ 09/10/2008 1:09:27 PM

      There is a simple question here: why wasn't his homework good enough? Just because you know the material doesn't mean you can slack on homework with no consequence. And let me guess, you blamed the teachers for that? My mom is a high school teacher and I hear her rant about it all the time, all these smart kids that don't do their homework, get poor homework grades, which lowers the overall grade, and she gets blamed by the parents. It's not a mystery of life you are dealing with, it's a son that didn't do his homework. How is that anyone's fault but his own?

  • Posted By: docktorb@aol.com @ 09/10/2008 1:09:27 PM

    There are probably many causes involved. In my clinic I have certainly see parents let children run wild... absolutely no supervision. Another problem stems from some feminists blasting teachers in the 80's for talking to boys more than girls in discussion groups on tapes in elementery schools. At the time I saw the obvious reason that teachers instinctively did this. Boys at this stage are not as verbal as girls. They weren't singling out boys but less verbal students. These mostly female teachers responded to the blistering attacks by making efforts to ignore the problem of less verbal students (mostly boys). Thus we have had the diminished academic development of boys. The college student sex ratio has shifted to a vast preponderence of girls since these misguided changes were made. We have shifted from neglecting the valuable potential of our women in the past to, now, losing the contributions of our men. We need to develop all of our people. It's the only advantage we have over enemies who keep their women barefoot and pregnant. They will swamp us demographically if we don't use all of our potential. Then we will enter a long dark age of ignorance, not only for women, but for all of us.

  • Posted By: Armuline @ 09/10/2008 1:08:43 PM

    I think that many times we forget how frenetic our children's stimulation is now from birth on. From noisy toys that light up and change songs every time a button is pushed to TV and video games. Things have to be bright, loud and action packed to get children's attention. In addition, now TV is being linked to ADD. The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends not letting babies watch TV until they are 2. My Developmental Psychology class recommended that children should not watch TV until they are 5. Why? Because it inhibits synapse production in the brain.

    Things that we used to read and watch are now considered boring by this current generation. Even video games and TV shows that were popular are now dull and boring in comparison.

    So, what is the point? We are teaching our children in many ways to be ADD. If things aren't bright, loud, entertaining, and catch your interest it is not worth sitting and learning. I am not saying that ADD wasn't around before loud toys and TV, but we are aggravating the problem with them.

  • Posted By: Goomie @ 09/10/2008 1:07:46 PM

    I have two grandsons ages 4 and 9 yrs of age. I also raised a son who is now 32. It is my view that it isn't one thing that is causing our boys to struggle but all of the causes previously mentioned. What happened to common sense? These are children we are talking about. We expect them to sit for hours without recess , or at the very least allow them to go outside or the gym and only be allowed to talk. As adults we can't sit for hours without taking a break let alone little boys. I believe the school is only interested in curriculum not the whole child; and I believe that parents are not being responsible by allowing the government or school to tell them how to discipline. I believe children need to be disciplined but appropriately; Suffering consequenses for their actions is crucile to living as an adult. Sure children need to learn, but which is more important academics or learning how to live together and relate to one another? There both important, but we've put academics ahead without thought for anything else. Changing one thing that is wrong will not solve this problem. But looking at all areas and working together is what is needed. Parents, we are our children's primary teacher and we have the power to change what is not working. We can't sit back and just complain we have t do something to make it better. Stand up for your child like only you can. Change the school policies if they are harmful to our children's developement. We can do it if only we unite and use our voices. If we as parents don't stand up for our chuldren who will?

  • Posted By: BnxNYPrican @ 09/10/2008 12:05:45 PM

    I am a single parent with a 12 yr old son. I've been struggling with him since he started public school. I had one FL teacher that had the audasity to tell me he was ADHD because her son was & got racial about. SO how does that make her a subject matter expert. I reloacted back to VA & again came across a racist teacher who put my son through the ringer & I pulled him from school in MD. There he did good in 2nd grade but when he got to 3rd again he got stuck with a teacher this time who only thought of herself & how much free time she could get (not willing to BE A TEACHER). My son complained about be bullied in her class & when I confronted her, herresponse was "she doesn't deal with tattletales". We moved to VA & again the school he was in from 4th - 5th, Triangle Elem. was a joke & very discriminatory. My son was even bullied by teachers let alone kids & when I confronted the principal, who claimed it would be taken care of, did nothing. It's the school systems & the type pf people they are hiring. SO my son finished elementary school & now began middle school with poor grades & will have to struggle even more. The work will be more & harder . . . so thanks Triangle Elem. in VA. I'm a child of the 50's & our teachers gave a damn about the kids but now they just want the check, give xeroxed copies for assignments with minimal guidance & expect the kids to prograss. But yet when it's time for them to try & get money from the count, state ot feds, they push the kids to no end to pass the county tests so they can get that money but the scores don't count for anything on their reports card. When I took those types of tests they did count towards our grades. Teachers don't care & the very very few that do are not enough. When children suffer peer pressure, bullying & then have uncaring teachers who bully them & discriminate at them as well, how else is a child supposed to express their true feelings. This takes it's toll on their self esteem. If they feel they can't turn to anyone then they are left no other recourse that to act out. Now mind you there are children out there that their own parents could care less about how their kids act in school, as long as they get them out of their hair, when you have school systems that don't care enough to provide an actual education environment, then what are we as parents left to do? Those like myself that bother to teach our kids how to behave & do the right thing & they get bullied by peers & teachers, it's a shame & it takes it toll on their studies as well as the self esteem, etc. I've been truely appalled by how badly things have gotten in this day & age compared to how it used to be. As a single parent I'm at my wits end & am not putting my child on medication so a teacher can stand there & have a nice quiet day without having to interact with the kids. This generation &

    • Posted By: JustAnotherWoman @ 09/10/2008 1:04:17 PM

      I hate to be the one to bring bad news, but when teacher has a problem with your child, it's ok to assume that maybe it's the teacher. But when you continue to relocate and change schools and you still get reports about him, have you even considered that it's not just all these teachers? Surely everyone in the world isn't conspiring against your son's education.

    • Posted By: Shazbb @ 09/10/2008 12:22:16 PM

      Are you sure that maybe it's not your child but you maybe the problem...think about it!

  • Posted By: mom_of_4 @ 09/10/2008 1:02:14 PM

    Correction to earlier post, "ADD" and "ADHD" is NOT the cause. :)

  • Posted By: Intentional Mother @ 09/10/2008 12:59:48 PM

    Changing education systems and related increasing demands are not where fingers should be pointed. It's not their responsibility. It's the parents responsibility, who, are having day-cares and school systems raise their children. If parents spent more time at home with their children, teaching them and giving them attention (instead of watching tv with them) children wouldn't misbehave in attempts to find what they are not being given nor would they develop these social/emotional/mental problems. I want to know what percentage of the "1 in 5 (or 10)" children studied came from single-parent households or families in which the "primary caretaker" worked full time or spent less than 8 hours per day with his/her children. Mothers especially think that they need to work to pay for extra-curricular sports and lessons which only seems to overburden families, leaving them no time to relax and be together. Children with problems in turn cause teachers to spend more time trying to keep order and less time teaching- so there goes the time allotted for recess. Parents need to take responsibility for their children's welfare and not pawn off problems to doctors. Societal changes start in the home.

  • Posted By: Jody Miller @ 09/10/2008 12:00:03 PM

    I get so tired of you people who blame everything on not putting GOD in the school. Well, let's see... which version of "GOD" (and by that I mean, how should we exactly communicate specific religious values) should we focus on? The Muslim, Christian, Jewish? Oh, I get it... you want to just focus on YOUR version of GOD and exclude everyone else. How about we simply convert our constitution and social system to mirror those in oppressive areas of the world, like say for example, areas of the Middle East where those in power try to force others to adhere to their religious specifics. Yes, that's it! Thats the answer to ALL of our societal ills. Yep, if we could only NOT have separation of church and state in this country then we could be a perfect society. Oh, who cares about those who don't believe in God or have a "different" faith... hey, we can always look to genocide for those evil "infidels" right? <<< Why don't you people who want to blend state and religious look at the dangerous consequences of doing so throughout the world?! If we try to Christianize our schools, then we oppress our Muslim, Buddhist, Atheist, Agnostic, Jewish, etc. MEMBERS OF SOCIETY THAT COUNT EQUALLY. And, you wonder why I assume that most of the "put God in school" comments are made by "mainstream" Christians??? Because the Muslims and Jews know full well what a danger is involved in promoting one perspective of God. Separation of church/state means that we have the freedom to go to school and learn in a "free zone" while your FAMILY guides you in their approach to faith/spirituality/morality/ethics. So, for those of you pushing to put GOD in our schools, how would you feel if it turned out to be a different GOD (aka religion) than YOURS?

    • Posted By: earmstr1 @ 09/10/2008 12:59:47 PM

      I agree with your sentiment here, but I think people forget that separation of church and state is not to protect the state from the church, but to protect the church from the state. So the state can't impose a religion on people and people are free to worship what they believe in.

      I don't think we should "put God in school", but why can't religion be talked about in school as a historical and cultural learning opportunity? I knew very little about other world religions until I was in college and did a paper on how different religions view stewardship of the Earth. Regardless of what you belive, its very interesting to learn about other religions, the origins of them and what they believe. Its really no different than studying history and different civilizations.

      Its like there is fear in having any mention or indication of religion what so ever in schools, but it is a huge part of most people's lives and I don't think it teaches a very healthy respect or acceptance for differing views and beliefs if you just ignore it exists for 6-8 hours a day, 5 days a week.

    • Posted By: JustAnotherWoman @ 09/10/2008 12:50:32 PM

      I agree! And as far as "taking God out of society is what's killing society"....I grew up in a town with a public school and a private Catholic school (I'm Catholic, but still went to the public school). Believe it or not, the PRIVATE school had a bigger problem with drugs, alcohol, and teen pregnancy. They only made it look to the community like they didn't have those problems because all those students were kicked out and sent to the public school. Now, can you still say that it's a problem because we've taken God out of school? Give me a break.

  • Posted By: mom_of_4 @ 09/10/2008 12:59:14 PM

    I agree that changes in society are keeping our kids "cooped up" too much. Children need to be able to go out and play. Schools are either reducing the amount of recess time children get each day or they are eliminating them all together, Children naturally have a lot of energy everyday that they need to release. By not allowing them to release this energy they begin to to suffer from "cabin fever" and begin to "act out" . It is not just our schools that are doing it to them. We, the parents, are doing it to them as well. Not intentionally of course. With all the fears of child kidnappings and pedophiles, we are simply too afraid of just letting our children go out and play until the street lights come on anymore. Instead we keep them locked up in classrooms or at home. "ADD" and "ADHD" is the cause. I believe that doctors are over diagnosing this condition and over prescribing medication for it. We need to find new, safe ways for our children to safely go outside and play so that they can release their energy in positive, constructive ways. This rather difficult to do right now if you are a middle class family struggling in to days poor economy because all after school programs and activities are either too costly too be able to afford right now or they have been cancelled by the schools because of budget cuts. I also would like to add a comment agreeing with the article about changes in our expectations of children theses days, they are being overwhelmed with schoolwork. They have so much homework each day now, starting in kindergarten, that by the time they get it completed everyday, there is not much time left in the day to go out and play.

  • Posted By: mimosafirefly @ 09/10/2008 12:57:22 PM

    Thank No Child Left Behind for inhibiting the learning environment of boys. Kids at school are losing recess and PE in order to spend more time learning how to answer test questions. By 2013, ALL children are supposed to pass these tests in order for schools to make Adequate Yearly Progress. Because making progress is directly tied to receiving public money, the stress on public school employees has syrocketed. Students know that their success or failure impacts whether the school is successful, and have beoome highly stressed and worried aobut passing these tests. Might as well call it No Child Left Untested. In order to make changes, you need to take charge by contacting your legislators and telling them that changes are essential for the health and well-being of your child.

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