Struggling School-Age Boys

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  • Posted By: motherofsons @ 09/10/2008 10:21:26 AM

    How can we expect our sons to have few or no behavioral problems when fathers are either out of the picture, work too many hours to participate in child rearing, or leave all the child rearing to the mothers. If we were to get down to the heart of this problem, we'd have to ask ourselves as a society, "Where are the fathers??"

    • Posted By: owlspiritwoman @ 09/10/2008 10:32:49 AM

      My husband was in the picture but the children didn't see much of him as he was working morn to eve. I know they did see me kiss him and hug him and discuss issues with him and watch us plan out our lives together. He was there full of pee and vinegar with them every saturday afternoon and sunday and back then we didn't have computers to take up your time and no sunday football to tie up the afternoon. I did most of the child raising but they did see respect and love between a couple as they were growing up. I think the real problem is that we have created a world where it is difficult for couples to survive and many couples separate selfishly even when there are no abuse issues to deal with. I just think I would be nice to return to the day when you married someone you actually got to know well before you married them, then you stayed married and built a life together and the wife was able to stay at home and be a mom at least until the children went to school.

  • Posted By: mtnreg9 @ 09/10/2008 10:32:47 AM

    Medicating our children, which pharmiceutical company is behind that one? We need to take some responsibility here! Life is not a Staples commerical, we can not just hit the "esay" button. Medicating is the "easy" button! I'm sorry but there is so much more to it than that. And you have hit the nail in the head!

  • Posted By: Rob Brunner @ 09/10/2008 10:32:19 AM

    As the parent of a girl who was also a stay-at-home dad I can say that maybe the problem stems not from lack of meds but an overwhelming focus on girls... we seem to think that girls self esteem is more important than anything else these days It is everywhere in the media. For years we have all seemed to focus on the messages aimed at girls but have ignored the fact that boys also see and interpret these messages...what exactly do people think young boys of an impressionable age do with these? It had become very clear that in order to boost girls' self esteem we have unwittingly eroded that of boys...In fact boys' perceptions of self are deemed to be built-in and not worth the trouble. Joy Behar of The View was once heard to say "they don't care"... well I care and so should everyone else. As a man who admires strong women, I also admire strong and confident men...we are sadly lacking in this department and it's not getting any better. It isn't any wonder why boys are feeling powerless and lost...real power does not come at the loss of anyone elses...Please consider what each of us can do to boost the worth of men and boys in todays social climate

  • Posted By: Noahsmom @ 09/10/2008 10:31:53 AM

    I do believe it has a lot to do with how boys are being raised, but there is another factor that we also need to consider. In the 80s kids got 10 vaccines by the time they were 5 and now it is 36 by the time they are 2. I have not seen any studies on the long term effects of so many chemicals being pumped in their system, and it could be very likely that boys are effected differently by the chemicals. It is a possibility that doctors don't even like to talk about, but I think it is something we need to seriously look at. How many drugs have they pulled off the shelves for unintended side effects after they were tested and approved? Something to consider......

  • Posted By: Gyani @ 09/10/2008 10:30:29 AM

    Well, whatever has changed has changed for girls and boys then why are only boys struggling?? Girls seem to be able to adjust and thrive also.

  • Posted By: amyarnett @ 09/10/2008 10:28:59 AM

    There are way to many kids today diagnosed with whatever and then treated with medication. We need to quit reaching for the easy way out. Granted, there are legitamate situations for meds. Parents need to step up to the plate and be a parent at home, help kids along the way without doing it for them. I turned out okay and successful and didn't even learn my ABC's until the first grade! Kids need time to be kids every single day. Any 5 or 6 year old, boy or girl, needs down time to just play and be a kid. They will have to be a grown up soon enough, let them enjoy being a kid!

  • Posted By: TeacherMama @ 09/10/2008 12:24:33 AM

    MNemko, I find your comments to be puzzling. I'm a female history teacher in the Mt Diablo Unified School District, and I can assure you that there is NO 'focus on the accomplshments of women and the evils of men." We are bound to the state standards which are pretty, well, *standard.* Just this week my classes are reading about Julius Caesar, Octavian, Mark Antony, Cleopatra (gasp! a woman!), and then later we'll read about Copernicus, Galileo, not to mention King John, the Magna Carta, Martin Luther and then the Reformation. Where do you get your information about the history curriculum? I've a feeling your comment is another example of an easy pot-shot taken at public schools. For a writer like yourself, how startlingly unoriginal.

    • Posted By: m arnold @ 09/10/2008 10:28:32 AM

      Enter Your Comment I must say as the parent of boys that TeacherMama is mistaken and and MNemko is closer to the truth. In our school there is a strong gender bias against boys. Average girls are given awards and praise and boys are overlooked unless they are exceptional - the school curriculum, reading lists and volunteer activities are "feminist guided" and portray men in a neagtive light while portraying girls in a positive light. I hope teacher mama does not have sons because she refuses to acknowledge the problem or is unaware of it despite being immersed in the system.

    • Posted By: mikefreeman @ 09/10/2008 5:36:06 AM

      Teachermama, just because there are men as the subject matter does not mean that they are being protrayed in a positive light, this is the point MNemko is trying to make. Schools do teach to the girls these days, emphasizing the "soft skills" that are more natural to females than males and pushing those attributes onto boys while actively suppressing the natural spirit of boys. I suspect your comment is another example of a corrupt and incompetent system dismissing their critics. If you are a teacher, how startlingly closed-minded.

  • Posted By: advocate503 @ 09/10/2008 8:43:07 AM

    I really agree with the article, my grandson is described to a tee in this story. The only thing about the education system is that I had tried for 3 years to have my grandson held back because he just wasn't catching on as fast as the other children. (He has ADHD and on medication). Because of his condition he was given an ISP in school and I was told they weren't allowed to hold him back. He has been passed on year to year without the basic knowledge of 1st grade. How is he going to make it in life?

    • Posted By: wekin @ 09/10/2008 8:52:33 AM

      My son was just held back in 6th grade. The principle was dead set against it and on the first day of school he was scheduled for 7th grade classes. I went to the guidance office and insisted they give him a new schedule. They are so much more concerned with how their school looks than the education and maturity of our children. We have to push and insist when we think something is wrong. They try to over power you.

      • Posted By: 2boysmominMichigan @ 09/10/2008 10:27:50 AM

        Good for you for standing up to your principal. I believe as parents, we need to do this more often. Stand up for children's rights and stay strong for them.

  • Posted By: Biff B @ 09/10/2008 10:12:52 AM

    No one is mentioning the fact that the family core has degraded and more kids are growing up in single parent houshold primarily that being the mother. How is a boy to learn to be a man if his primary parent for modeling behavior is a female?

    • Posted By: LisaLuvsChrist @ 09/10/2008 10:27:39 AM

      I'm a single mom, I work 50 hours a week, I'm not on welfare, I don't have different men coming in and out of my house, and I don't do drugs. I'm a single mother because of the fact that my son's father was a womanizing, abusive pig, not because I chose to be a single mother, but that doesn't change the fact that my son is smart, well adjusted, well manerred, and a very kind caring person. People are quick to point the finger at the mothers, but where are the fathers?!?!?!? As for my boy, he's lucky in the sense that I have brothers and lots of male cousins, and that I've always been a tom boy, so yeah I have done boyish things with him, I play video games with him, I've played with him and his little green soldier toys, we've played catch and I've taught him to be a man, yeah some things are better off left to an actual man to talk to him about or teach him, but I'm lucky to have a good male support system from my fiance of 2 yrs now and also from relatives and friends.

  • Posted By: Noahsmom @ 09/10/2008 10:26:25 AM

    I truly believe there is a link between the extremely increased number of vaccinnations and behavioral issues. In the 80s kids got 10 vaccines before age 10 and now it is 36 by age 2. Why would we think that would not have some sort of long term effect. Why are they not studying that?

  • Posted By: mprey18 @ 09/10/2008 9:18:02 AM

    Is the for real. I hate to say it but children being labeled ADHD and saying children need to "experience" learning are just being given excuses for a lack of will and self control. In the society of do what you want and ask forgiveness later and this mentality that the world needs to adapt to the individual is ludacris. Children need to have self dicipline. Parents need to take responsibility for teaching their kids this. The first step is to bolster their child's self esteem. As a father of two I have been able to encourage my children and build their self esteem as well as teach responsibility. Anyone stating that the environment needs to adapt to their children is just looking for yet another excuse for their own shortcommings.

    • Posted By: tickedoff @ 09/10/2008 10:25:45 AM

      Right on!

    • Posted By: mfitzz @ 09/10/2008 10:06:34 AM

      mprey18 is right. This is an issue of responsibility.

      Newsflash folks: It's not the school system's job to raise your kids, that's your job. Lust for knowledge, respect for others, self sufficiency, responsibility for your actions, and the critical thinking to understand what that means, all need to be learned at home. If you don't have the time, energy, personality, or economic means to teach these things to your kids, don't have any. Get a pet if you need something to nurture, but and don't add to the population load on the planet or produce another overstimulated-semi-feral spoiled rotten brat that the rest of us will have to deal with.

      I'm not avocations abortion here either, but if you aren't intelligent, mature and responsible enough to understand where babies come from, and how not to have one, you aren't intelligent, mature or responsible enough to be a parent.

      We are seeing the obvious result of a generation of self-centered adults who had kids without realizing they couldn't just turn them over to schools to raise. Seriously most of the population these days is not psychologically suited to raise kids. It is the greatest tragedy ever that it is harder to get a driver's license than bring a new human being into the world.





  • Posted By: mandy82johnson @ 09/10/2008 10:25:19 AM

    I taught special education for 5 years in the public school system, mostly to boys labeled with ADD or ADHD or various learning disabilities. I can tell you why educators recommend medication for children and mostly to boys. In a general education classroom where you have to teach to a test, it is very apparent who is learning and who isn't. Would you rather teachers not tell you your child is not progressing and not tell you there may be a way to help them along?
    I am not a proponent for medication, but when you work with children who are not progressing and your hands are tied with how and what you can teach, where is the alternative?
    The reality is most teachers are forced into a style of teaching they don't prefer or agree with by administrators, who are forced by their administration, who are in turn forced by their state funding budgets. Teachers are not stupid and we all know this state-mandated test-focused teaching isn't working to prepare children for the future. However, the rub is, if you don't teach in this way, you are eventually disciplined enough to conform or leave the classroom. Who wants to stay in a job where you consistently have to teach lessons that only prepare them to pass a test, can't take them outside to recess to learn how to socially interact, have principals griping about the student discipline problems, and have parents who refuse to teach their children basic manners? Not me.
    Should parents be in an uproar about their child's education, you better believe it! The teachers already are.

  • Posted By: kainenocturnal @ 09/10/2008 10:24:44 AM

    Every since the government has allowed social workers and this beast called CPS to enter your home and counsel you there has been problems like this. Parents need to be able to spank their children when they misbehave especially boys because boys are masculine by nature and they need more rearing than girls, who ar emore submissive and more likely to follow suit. Plus they have put into these womens minds that they can raise kids alone. Of course they can, but that doesn't mean it is ideal for the child. Men need to step forward and father their sons and women need to get off their power/independent trips and we need to realize that our ignorance is hurting the next generation of great men!

  • Posted By: sgmrock @ 09/10/2008 10:23:59 AM

    I would also add that in the sixties and seventies this article would have been discusssing girls, seems the changes that were made to make girls "cope" better may have gone a little over board...schools try to put girls on an equal playing field whether they are or not, this leaves the boys feeling cheated and even broader makes them a bit cynical, they could cope if the game was played fair.....

  • Posted By: Bambismom @ 09/10/2008 10:22:36 AM

    I would like anyone getting into this long discussion, to read all comments posted here. It will open your eyes to many problems going on here. If your taking the time to focus on your own issues, you'll get an even better education learning that your not alone.

  • Posted By: ShamanStacy @ 09/10/2008 4:23:54 AM

    Ugh... I'm tired of hearing about how it's so bad for the boys. Please, the entire world favors men. Girls are just as impacted by the conformity and tyranny the school "system" requires they're just not as outwardly expressive about it. Mainly because they're socialized to put up and shut up where as boys are taught not to take anyone's crap. I believe that women suffer similar rates of ADHD as men it's just severely under

    • Posted By: m arnold @ 09/10/2008 10:22:19 AM

      The brazen anti-male bias of individuals like shamanstacy (who are often teachers in our schools) is the cause for many of the difficulties that our boys are facing.

  • Posted By: Miked1969 @ 09/10/2008 10:22:16 AM

    It is interesting that we are talking about adding mental health services so that our little emasculated boys can emote more often. As most parents know, boys and girls are different. They are naturally more agressive, inquisitive, and wild at heart. Boys need to be challenged, disciplined and given a clear idea what it means to be a man in our society. According to government schools and social engineers, boys and girls are exactly the same. It seems as if our boys are on an island with no supervision, behaving in ways that are shockingly savage and disturbing. Does Lord of the Flies ring a bell?

  • Posted By: Mike BeVee @ 09/10/2008 10:21:38 AM

    This is nothing new. I am 61 years old and can still remember my days in grade school filled with fidgeting and loathing. It looks like we are becoming aware of a needed (and long over due) refinement in the educational environment. Boys need physical exercise. It has been the norm to instruct students to accept a passive learning environment. This fits girls better than boys. It would be better to integrate physical activities with academics in a gender appropriate way. This would be through out the day, not just during physical education or extra curricular activities. Boys with boys, girls against girls in exercises of dexterity, time space coordination, strength, balance and stamina. Actively learning about your body with Yoga, dance, martial arts, running, and any sport that can be carried into later life (think golf, bowling, swimming etc.).

  • Posted By: owlspiritwoman @ 09/10/2008 10:21:24 AM

    My grandson was just put on medication and I think that digirebel is right it is the quick fix. When he is with me I don't have a problem although his energy does exhaust me! His doctor was not supportive of giving us an order to change his diet at school even though we could prove that certain foods made him more irratic. The school was not supportive either so it became easier I think to just give in and give him medication. I worry that it is setting a dangerous precedent and reinforcing "better living through chemicals" which may carry through to his adulthood.
    I think children can learn whatever you want them to learn but they must have down time as well. the public school system doesn't have the time or the money to really look into different learning styles and provide children what they need.

  • Posted By: kathleen28 @ 09/10/2008 10:20:31 AM

    This article makes me so sad as it follows so many others that indicate teachers are teaching to the girls and to the boys who are absolutely proper and can sit still for hours at a time. Still, no one seems to be paying attention. My son is now in sixth grade and the studies have been saying this since he was in first, at least. I found that it was the teachers who just "couldn't be bothered" with a boy who was having trouble understanding the concept of a lesson or couldn't sit still. My mother was a teacher and she used to tell me about staying in at lunch, or after school, and helping the kids who needed help. This isn't done anymore. You are expected to harnass the huge financial responsibility of a private tutor, SCORE, Kuman or a similiar facility. In this economy, barely makiing ends meet, not everyone can afford these facilities. And why should we if we are paying taxes into the school system already?

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