Struggling School-Age Boys

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  • Posted By: Lisa plus five @ 09/10/2008 8:42:25 AM

    I am a mother of 4, - 2 girls and 2 boys. My oldest son is 16 and the youngest is 6. What a difference 10 years makes in the educcation rules and norm! 10 years ago, my 16 year old took a nap in kindergarten! Now my 6 year old was expected to write essays and read chapter books!! Pleeease give me a break! Why aren't we letting kids be kids a while longer. Why are the boys struggling? Hello!! How many of us know without a doubt that a 10 year old boy is about as mature as an 8 year old girl!! A 5-6 year old boy? He is probably as good at controlling his impulses as a 3-4 year old girl!! An epidemic of adhd? Come on! Why can't we just say they aren't as mature as girls at the same age and teach them in an appropriate way based on their developmental level! That's why we need more free time in school like recess! My first grade -6 year old said to me just last week- "Mom we don't have recess anymore, we have PE! and it's not fun, we have to play the games they tell us to play! " So now even a break from sitting and long hours of instruction becomes a SUBJECT! and just one more place to put pressure on our children to succeed or fail! I think we have it all backwards!! Now when you child plays sports, it's not about winning, or competition- I't 's just to have fun!! Then in school it has become Not about playing or having fun but about Winning, getting to the highest reading comprehension level or writing the Best essay or scoring Higher on the end of grade tests than any other state or school! I mean they are even given their NUMBER! 1, 2, 3, or 4. And YES THEY USE THE WORD FAIL!!! The kids know their rank on the eog's, but Lord forbid we say the are First, Second, The Best or Worst soccer player! We need a better balance because we are really confusing our kids, especially boys who are often very sensitive but hold it all in!!
    Lets not forget the purpose of those end of grade tests!!! The teachers and their accountability for what they may or may not have taught. So out the door going their ability to be creative in their teaching! It makes it hard I am sure when they have to teach for the tests!! Well until we start complaining loudly, our children are all going to be taught the same way based on their age and what Eog's expect!! We need more indiviualized teaching plans based on our children's strengths and talents as well as their needs whether it is maturity level, and let's not forget rude behavior learned at home!! (That's a whole different topic!! )

  • Posted By: analog-girl @ 09/10/2008 8:42:21 AM

    I will not get on my own soapbox here, but will recommend one book in particular for anyone who is genuinely concerned about this epidemic. In his book, Last Child In The Woods-Saving Our Children From Nature-Deficit Disorder, Richard Louv states that "the real disorder...is in the imposed, artificial environment...To take nature and natural play away from children may be tantamount to withholding oxygen."

  • Posted By: shastawluv @ 09/10/2008 8:20:46 AM

    I have a 5 yr old grandson, who can't sit still in class. If the teacher is having a singing class he just gets up and starts to walk around. The teacher will ask him is something wrong ( he said no I am fine) but he won't go back and be in the class. The teacher is asking telling the mom maybe she needs to take him to a dr. and get him on medicine to keep him sitting and paying attention. Sorry but I don't want to see my grandson become addicted or even a zombie just so she doesn't have to attend to him. She said she has others as well but he is the worst. My grandson is one that he will do it when he wants to and if he isn't interested then you might as well leave him alone. I was like that in school, but we got the paddle and all which didn't hurt us at all. My daughter was usually in the corner cause she talked to much and wouldn't pay attention, but she graduated and went to college. I have seen what they expect out of 5 yr olds, know 90 new words, pick them out and know how to spell them, Math problems (which I haven't seen them till 2ne or 3rd grade and they want these kindergarden kids to know all this in a few months. If he acts up he is in a corner or doesnt get to do recess he has to sit on a bench. Well that isn't gonna help cause he isn't getting his energy out and the teachers says his worst time is after Lunch. So I feel if these teachers just want these boys and some girls on drugs so they can have a smooth day then they don't need to be there. What does this say to our children? My grandson went to pre-school where he was a pickle but not as bad as some of the boys I seen, but the teacher took time with him. She got him to speak better and he tries to pronounce his words the best he can, he tries to read his book I got him by picking out words and get all excited when he gets them right. But if you dont have the time to take with these children then what throw them to the gutter and let them there. I get so upset with the schools now and the teachers, I know they have hard times but what do you think when we went to school they weren't easy. I have a brother who hated school, I finally caught up with him in 8th grade by the 9th grade my parents let him quit as long as he got a job. He was smart and could pass a test without studing but just hated school. Now he makes more than most us could think of making so we just can't say because a child doesnt do well in school to just put them on drugs or get rid of them. That is not the solution?

    • Posted By: dodama @ 09/10/2008 8:42:19 AM

      This is exactly why kids like this excel so much better when they are homeschooled! My son has Asperger's Syndrome and PPD. He got straight A's when we homeschooled, but everytime we put him in public school his grades dropped to C's, D's and F's. He was picked on and bullied, got in trouble for things he didn't do, and the teachers and staff just let things go. We weren't even aware of his grades until just as the report cards were coming out when it was too late to do anything about them. The teachers would always say how well he was doing. How can grades like these be considered doing well? Needless to say, we pulled him back out and not only is he excelling once again, but he is one to two grades above his peers. Learning has nothing to do with how much you teach, but instead, it's how you teach according to each child's learning style and abilities. A framed diploma certifying you as a teacher is no match to a mother who really knows what her child is and isn't capable of. I'm not knocking school teachers (my husband is a high school teacher himself), but I'm saying that it's hard for them to concentrate on the needs of each individual child when they have to divide their attention between 30 or so kids. Some kids just do better one on one, or in a small group, and they seem to excel when they are homeschooled.

  • Posted By: varcoebooneca @ 09/10/2008 8:42:07 AM

    I completly agree. I have two boys and I am currently a Cub Scout Den Leader. I see some very restless boys, but also very disrespectful. I think boys need more time to express themselves, but also need more time with parents to learn respect and how to be normal. I think they are frustrated, but don't know why and how they should handle it. So in the end they are all druged to make them calm down. I think that is just wrong. Medication isn't the answer to all problems. I think we need to also take a look at discepline. I think boys appreciate strict discipline and they learn from it. We are so worried about child abuse these days that we don't get after our kids more...they have become spoiled brats. I'm just as guilty. I don't feel I get after my boys enough....partly because I'm affraid too. My boys can be so disrespectful to me and to others and can act like spoiled brats. I need to figure something out...I don't want them growing up to be inconsiderate men.

  • Posted By: varcoebooneca @ 09/10/2008 8:41:21 AM

    I completly agree. I have two boys and I am currently a Cub Scout Den Leader. I see some very restless boys, but also very disrespectful. I think boys need more time to express themselves, but also need more time with parents to learn respect and how to be normal. I think they are frustrated, but don't know why and how they should handle it. So in the end they are all druged to make them calm down. I think that is just wrong. Medication isn't the answer to all problems. I think we need to also take a look at discepline. I think boys appreciate strict discipline and they learn from it. We are so worried about child abuse these days that we don't get after our kids more...they have become spoiled brats. I'm just as guilty. I don't feel I get after my boys enough....partly because I'm affraid too. My boys can be so disrespectful to me and to others and can act like spoiled brats. I need to figure something out...I don't want them growing up to be inconsiderate men.

  • Posted By: hwhitmore @ 09/10/2008 7:48:58 AM

    I not only think that the "blame game" has been played a little too long, but I also think parents need to look at themselves. Kids are not disiplined or held to any kind of standard anymore. Instead parents coddle them or make excuses for them. Nothing is ever the childs fault. If parents would remember how they were most likely raised, spare the rod and spoil the child, we would see these sorts of problems decrease significantly. By the way I have two children a boy and a girl and they are happy, healthy and most importantly proud of what they accomplish by themselves with help from myself, their dad, and the school.

    • Posted By: shastawluv @ 09/10/2008 8:40:40 AM

      I wrote in here about my grandson and the school, But the "blame game" Please.....My grandson doesn't get away with anything, he gets punished at home as well at my home. If he is bad in school he looses his toys and all till he knows he needs to pay attention and do the best he can. He is the only child and now he has a sister on the way, but Let's get real.. These children some of them have siblings they have grown up with and some of the children have been by themselves. so there is a diff. here and to say the kids have to learn 90 words, how to spell them and where to fine them in a couple of months. Also, math problems that usually arent done till higher grades and these kids have to know it already. I agree with some of the people on here LET OUR CHILDREN BE KIDS, and stop all this stuff at early age they will learn as time goes on, but don't drill them know. Especially, a teacher say to the parent your kids need to be on drugs cause they don't sit still or pay attention. ok enough

  • Posted By: wekin @ 09/10/2008 8:39:23 AM

    I agree with all of you! I'm also the mother of an 11yr old in 6th grade. His behavior in the past year and a half has taken a dive. He have had him fully evaluated and he sees a counselor once a month now. It was once a week at first. He is learning to control himself more in stressful situations, but the school expectations can be overbearing.

  • Posted By: shawnsheart @ 09/10/2008 8:39:03 AM

    I have 3 boys and was horrified when 5 years ago my ten year old began kindegarten. He came home the first day and flat out said you lied to me! I was shocked! He said we dont get to go outside and play on the playground! What the hell?! IN kindegaretn in my area the playground built over 50 years ago stand empty! These kids need some break and i totally agree that the 25 minutes mine get to eat in slience in the cafeteria is ridiculous! Ummm hello, they are not allowed to talk in class, not allowed to talk in the hall, or lines, or P.E. and not on the buses or in the cafeteria?! So when are they allowed to talk? and take a few minutes to just be a kid? We are turning them into little robots and it sucks!

  • Posted By: varcoebooneca @ 09/10/2008 8:38:54 AM

    I completly agree. I have two boys and I am currently a Cub Scout Den Leader. I see some very restless boys, but also very disrespectful. I think boys need more time to express themselves, but also need more time with parents to learn respect and how to be normal. I think they are frustrated, but don't know why and how they should handle it. So in the end they are all druged to make them calm down. I think that is just wrong. Medication isn't the answer to all problems. I think we need to also take a look at discepline. I think boys appreciate strict discipline and they learn from it. We are so worried about child abuse these days that we don't get after our kids more...they have become spoiled brats. I'm just as guilty. I don't feel I get after my boys enough....partly because I'm affraid too. My boys can be so disrespectful to me and to others and can act like spoiled brats. I need to figure something out...I don't want them growing up to be inconsiderate men.

  • Posted By: mosbon @ 09/10/2008 8:37:37 AM

    I've been in education for 30 years. When I was in grade school and through high school, I took shop classes, PE classes and anything that would not require me to sit all day long reading and writing. If I was attending school right now my parents would have to dope me up, no way would I have graduated from high school. I know in my district it is run by ladies who are able to sit long periods of time, and even our high school principles are ladies. Parents really need to start going to your childrens school and just for one day go through there school day and see if you could sit there all day, every day 5 days a week. When I attend teacher workshops, you have teachers constantly talking throughout the lecture so how are the children suppose to handle it. I could go on and on but this article is great.

  • Posted By: GamainDallas @ 09/10/2008 8:37:12 AM

    I have three grandchildren and I see how the oldest is handling all these pressures and am really concerned. Howeve, his parents aren't which is really frustrating. Kids now a days, do not have the opportunity to just play. They are always in from of the television or computer. What ever happened with the children going outside playing tag, stick ball, or running on a playground. The children of today, appear to be fat, lazy, and not interested if they cannot do the activity in from of a screen. Even the WII has taken this to the next level. It just astounds me.-- Grandma in Dallas, TX

  • Posted By: belkins @ 09/10/2008 8:36:11 AM

    I have three boys, my middle child is in 2nd grade and his only outside activity is cub scouts, we have recognized only one activity is a good idea for our children. My oldest was in the band at his high school all four years and in scouts as well. Children need music, art, recess and just time to be kids not mini adults. We as parents in this country are losing our perspectives on our children just being kids what is wrong with not having a child in preschool?

  • Posted By: jessahum3 @ 09/10/2008 8:35:17 AM

    Finally someone ran the numbers on what so many of us have known all along. My son struggles in the first grade to pay attention and complete his assignments. I know, without a doubt, that in the near future someone will suggest that I medicate him. He is not bad, doesn't hurt people, doesn't act out.....is just energetic and being in class all day w/ 1/2 hr to release his energy just isn't working. It's not even as if they can play, like we used to...they are watched every second....if they climb to high or swing to high or run to fast or ACT LIKE KIDS they are disciplined. It's insane and we sit back and wonder, what in the world is wrong.....WE ARE!!

  • Posted By: DOYLEWW @ 09/10/2008 8:34:30 AM

    I am a mother of a 10 year old son and I must say over the last 2 years it has been frustrating. I blame it partly on our school systems. My son's 2nd grade teacher was a male. I received 1 phone call. However his 3rd and 4th grade teachers were female and I could have pulled my hair out. As women we expect our sons to behave like girls, just as we expect our husbands to behave like women and it doesn't work. So I am not pointing fingers at female teachers, I myself am a woman and realized I had to take a look at myself. Let's stop the madness and recognize their are real differences between males and females.

  • Posted By: chysell @ 09/10/2008 8:34:04 AM

    I agree. The increase of boys getting into trouble seems to have gotten worse after recess and play time was labeled as unnecessary. It is extremely important. Not only does it allow their bodies to use up excess energy, but it also allows their minds to be able to focus better after exercising. I have found with our son that when he has an excess of processed foods and sugars rather than the healthy alternatives, his behavior is less what it should be. Our culture as a whole is so "fast-food" oriented that it makes a child's body have to deal with issues that 15 or 20 years ago weren't nearly as big. Medications are necessary on some occasions, but it definitely is not the instant cure for all energetic boys...they are genetically programed to be movers.

  • Posted By: doracollier @ 09/10/2008 8:33:39 AM

    My son had the same attention problems when he started school. Itis a briliant kid, who thrives on learning by discovery and hands on as well as with instruction. But over the years I could see my son pulling back during his early school years (which by the way most of his teachers were females) because he just could not be himself. So what I decided to do in the 8th grade, I took him out of public education (which by the way I thought was the main problem not my son) and put in into a charter school - Agora charter school which is an online school. There he thrived and matured and received an incredible education for an 8th grader comparable to a 10th grade education. To make a long story short, he decided this year that he would like to enter into high school.. He is doing excellent and loving every minute of it. I think what he needed was some time to mature, to be self-directed and independent, and to be involved with making his own choices and studying on his terms. What the educational system could not do for him, he did for himself and I'm proud of him!

  • Posted By: belkins @ 09/10/2008 8:33:04 AM

    A schedule is good for kids but there needs to be limits on how much is going on, my 2nd grader does his home work every night, and is involved in cub scouts. That is enough for one little boy to have going on. I want him to have play time and enjoy being a kid. My oldest who is in college played in his high school band all four years it made a difference in his life, he also only did boy scouts. My children are much happier for less on their plates than more. Art and music are certainly lost and so is recess that is wrong.

  • Posted By: redkitchen @ 09/10/2008 8:32:41 AM

    I agree. This is one of the reasons that I choose to homeschool my children.

  • Posted By: skilz @ 09/10/2008 8:31:45 AM

    As a mother of an 11 yr. old son, i think it's RIDICULOUS to take "playtime" away from children!! With out play time, when would any of the MEN of today have come up with ideas to "explore" or invent or even dream of becoming a president?! Play time (for alot of adults today) was the primary bases in dreaming & exploring who we are & who we wanted to be when we grew up. If all we do is construct every minute of our childrens time, how or when will they have time to dream & figure out who they want to be & what they want to do with their lives when they grow up? Play time is creative time & should not be denied in any way shape or form, especially for our boys. Last time i checked school was not the place for our children to develope THEIR OWN creative outlets!! Creativity is done on a schedule around the comfort of the "ADULTS" & their jobs. Our kids will be faced to design our future one day! We had free range play time.... is there any thing wrong with those people today? No! Without it how would little boys dream of being astonauts? Come on people.

  • Posted By: JustJulie @ 09/10/2008 8:30:18 AM

    I have always held that we have taken too much free time from our children. Books are appearing on how little time our children spend outside, how disassociated they are with nature and how Type II diabetea growing at an alarming rate. In addition, many of the activities we have used to replace this removal from the natural environment have been either overly adult supervised "play" or un-supervised acess to computers and gameboys. Our zero tolerance solution in schools is teaching intolerance. It takes time to raise children, time to clean up their messes, bandage their scrapes, and make sure they eat well. Boys and girls are inherently different, not betteror worse, just different. Boys need leaders in a diiferent way than girls do, and those leaders need to be naturally selected through play, not appointed by adults. More medication is definately not the answer, it would be a continuation of the problem...treating our children as commodities to be managed instead of children to be nurtured. Everyone, boys and girls, needs to play, that is when our minds make wonderful discoveries, open themselves up, relax and allow space for more rigorous thought.

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