Struggling School-Age Boys

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  • Posted By: jamik8225 @ 09/11/2008 4:40:36 PM

    I totally agree with what you are saying. I've been debating on whether or not to home school my 2 year old for these very reasons. I've seen what the school system does to both boys and girls firsthand and it scares me!

  • Posted By: flygirl1988 @ 09/11/2008 4:39:49 PM

    I had thought the schools were responsible for teaching my boys to read and write and while I did read to them nightly as toddlers (and continue to do so) and teach them some fundamentals, I didn't try to teach them to read beyond a few words. They were both considered "behind" and required special reading assistance when they entered first grade (and they both were in pre-school bu tit was play oriented). I also feel the effects of the shift from "teaching to boys" to "teaching to girls" and feel both genders could benefit from more active, hands on learning environments and differentiated teaching styles, but its just not happening. In my "upscale" suburb that is considered to have excellent schools, they are definitely teaching to the standardized test. Sigh.

  • Posted By: jamik8225 @ 09/11/2008 4:37:47 PM

    I totally agree with what you are saying. I've been debating on whether or not to home school my 2 year old for these very reasons. I've seen what the school system does to both boys and girls firsthand and it scares me!

  • Posted By: flygirl1988 @ 09/11/2008 4:36:21 PM

    I let my boys be boys and play when they were toddlers. I read to them every night but beyond teaching them colors, shapes, number and ABCs, I didn't try to "prep" them for school...i thought that school was supposed to teach them to read not me! But I was wrong and now we are trying to play catch up. My boys are not overscheduled and I try to give them lots of free play time, but there aren't many others in the neighborhood to play with as the rest are all over scheduled. And, since they are now "behind" in reading and writing, we spend lots of time after school on homework. Sigh. In our school district, I definitely feel the shift from teaching to boys to teaching to girls and the "teach to the test" mentality. Differentiated teaching is not happening.

  • Posted By: jennybinflorida @ 09/09/2008 3:20:50 PM

    My son is in 2nd grade this year and was diagnosed as being ADHD in 1st grade. His grades were awful! So, we sought help from his Pediatrician, who then put him on medication. Well, we are three weeks into 2nd grade and once again, his grades are terrible. It takes atleast an hour to an hour and a half to get through homework each night. I'm at a loss and his teachers this year seem to be at a loss. He's a smart kid who just can't focus on things! When I went to school in the 80's, you didn't see this as much-probably because we had P.E. and recess, music and art. Now, we have to prepare for FCAT! When is this going to stop? I guess when I yank my son out of the public education system and home school!

    • Posted By: madams65 @ 09/11/2008 4:35:48 PM

      Dito....my son started the second grade this year and is one year behind in reading. We have tried everything and now he is all to aware that he is behind and frustrated with himself. I have cried amny nights worried about what to do......

    • Posted By: MusicMom2KnT @ 09/10/2008 5:18:26 AM

      I have a 10yo son w/non-hyperactive ADHD and other LD's. Ask for a meeting with your teachers, school councelors, etc. for a SST (Student Study Team) meeting. The school will then do additional testing (this is where we discovered our sons memory problems and possible Asperger's). That testing, along with the official diagnosis of ADHD will probably qualify your son for a 504 Plan in which you can request accomodations such as sitting in front of the classroom, gentle reminders to get back on task, frequent breaks if needed, and especially modified homework. If that doesn't seem to work (especially once they hit 4th grade where it gets even harder and the classes larger) you can request an IEP (Individualized Education Plan). While ADHD is not one of the medical reasons you can qualify for the IEP, they can qualify you under "Other Health Impairment".

      For those people here who have posted that the problem with our education system and children is with the parents, video games, etc. All I can say is that you obviously don't have children with learning disabilities. You can't imagine the amount of time, money and heartache we've gone through to get help for our son. So please don't presume to diagnose anyone's child until you have actual experience in something you obviously know so little about.

      • Posted By: Another Mom of an LD child. @ 09/10/2008 6:49:24 AM

        Dear MusicMom2KnT. I have a 10 yr old son who we recently took to a behavorial optometrist also.. His eyes did not converge properly. They do not team together------so the information the brain receives is alittle eradic------------------depends on which eye he is using at the time as to where the information is placed in the brain. At school it looked and smelled like ADD. He is also diagnoised with being dyslexic----however now that we have found that it is an eye problem---our prayer is that he is not dyslexic at all------and that its been an eye issue all along. A regular eye doctor will not do the trick------you must go to a BEHAVIORAL Optometrist. It has nothing to do with 20/20 vision. Both of his eyes see 20/20----------but -they do not team together to see----------therefore-------reading is very uncomfortable-----words are skipped ----which makes the comprehension harder-------ect..... I will warn you -when you first go-and you see what the Optometrist is doing-your going to think-this is nuts! BUT I swear by it. We have been in our glasses for 6 mo now and there is a complete difference!!!!!!! Our stress level is way down!!!!!!!! and his self-esteem about school is sooo imporved. I also seeked natural supplements approach. We are taking a ALL natural ---Neu-becalm--by Neurogenics. Its mainly Vits B and folic acid and other brain feeders. It has also been a God send for us. He is at a college prep school- ( we are there mainly for the Christian enviorment ---I agree kids are started way to young with the whole learning thing----Homework shouldn't even start until 3 grade!!! and then no more then 30 40 min!!!!!! )----and even though we are only
        3 weeeks into the school year he has ALL A's --------and I see a complete difference in him. Last year was a very very difficult year---4th grade is always a transition no matter what school you are at------------but -we were to the point of thinking-----maybe we should pull him from this school. Even our teachers there questioned ADD because he had trouble focusing-----------------Well duh ---if your eyes don't work right-----------your brain gets tired and shuts off!!!!!!!!!! I AM SOO THANKFUL we discovered this now----I wish we had earlier to save alot of tears with homework--------but so thankful we did at least find it out. I agree with you -an LD child is full of challenges. But I refused to just say-he needs medication----I knew there had to be other aveneus to explor. I would love to discuss this more if you have any questions feel free to e-mail me at mona.lloyd@lloydelectric.com. I know what we went through last year----------every night of 1 1/2 to 2 hours of homework ----with tears and saying mom by brain just hurts. I would go to bed so frustrated FOR him------and just cry into my pillow. I would love to share information with you. I feel your pain!!!!!!!

    • Posted By: dwbrowner @ 09/10/2008 3:31:21 AM

      You may want to have your son evaluated by a behavioral optometrist. It sounds like your son may have visual problems since it takes him so long to do his homework. By visual problems, I do not mean visual acuity. My daughter started to read when she was 3 1/2 and never really progressed past single sentences. At 5 years, she would lay down to read or cover one eye (didn't matter which one) and sometimes her eyes would spontaneously tear. The tearing shocked me and I took her to an opthalmologist since they are MDs. Well, he offered no help with the tearing. He said she was probably tired and I knew that wasn't true. She slept from 6:30pm to 6:30am. A woman in town told me of a behavioral optometrist and he did various tests and told me that her eyes did not focus well and that she would see double vision when stressed and that was why she would tear when reading. He prescribed a half strength of the lowest prescription of reading glasses for an adult and vision therapy which was spotting numbers on a computer screen with flashing, following patterns and eventually reading short sentences and answering questions. The short stories were all true things about animals so she loved her therapy and she was learning at the same time. She is now in 1st grade and is reading Nancy Drew books. It is amazing! I knew she was bright, like your son. She just had no attention span but it was because her eyes were straining. Please, please try seeing a behavioral optometrist it will change your son's life!!

  • Posted By: marko1965 @ 09/11/2008 1:54:52 PM

    More male teachers.
    It's a big joke when wives tell us we don't listen to them but we hear everything our buddies say. I don't know the reason why but it's true.
    As long as boys are being taught by women they will continue to struggle.

    • Posted By: uneekfreak16 @ 09/11/2008 4:35:04 PM

      If boys struggling were simply boys being taught by females, why now are boys struggling and not decades before? The percentage of female teachers has not gotten any higher.

    • Posted By: uneekfreak16 @ 09/11/2008 4:27:36 PM

      I understand your argument and it makes sense, but then why would boys be struggling now and not before? The percentage of female teachers has not gone up over the years so why now would boys be struggling?

    • Posted By: kf1132 @ 09/11/2008 2:10:53 PM

      That has to be the stupidest comment I have ever heard! Whether a teacher is male or female should have nothing to do with how a child succeeds or fails. It is having a sexist and ignorant parent like yourself that brings your child down and makes him a failure. Maybe you should look into getting better educated....

      • Posted By: gmeluski @ 09/11/2008 4:03:20 PM

        You = wrong.

      • Posted By: my2sons @ 09/11/2008 2:18:52 PM

        Actually - there is some validity to the idea that there aren't enough men in the teaching profession. As a female and former teacher, before I had sons, my expectations and the behavior of the girls in the classroom set the behavioral bar. As echoed everywhere here, boys and girls are different. Having more men in the classroom may actually help in solving this problem. It is not femail teacher bashing.

    • Posted By: gmeluski @ 09/11/2008 4:02:46 PM

      This is very true! No woman has the right to tell me that I am wrong, as they have not had the experience of being a man. Unless you are post-op, then I am all ears.

    • Posted By: gmeluski @ 09/11/2008 4:01:23 PM

      This is very true! As a man I second this statement. And guess what? No woman has the right to tell me I'm wrong, as they have never had the experience of being a man. Unless you are post-op. Then I am all ears.

  • Posted By: justadadnmom @ 09/11/2008 4:30:15 PM

    Has anyone ever considered how discipline is carried out now . In consideration to the years past? I do realize that there have been abuses of discipline. I wonder if this is what the good book meant when it read "Spare the rod spoil the child"? I have a 2 1/2 year old son that is constantly disobedient to his mother and I. We put him in time out,because thats what we do in todays society. I take myself back to my own upbringing. If my grandmother had to ask me 20 times to shut the refridgerator door then I would be cutting a switch off a tree. I never ate or drank in the living room. The carpet in their living room wore out. Ours is 2yrs old and is ruined. I was taught to address my elders as sir and maam. I was taught to respect my teachers. I feel as if we are failing our boys at earlier ages than school. We all want better for our children than we had,are we really bettering them? Where does reform begin? Is it really our schools job to raise ,discipline, educate and diagnose our childrens every sucess and failure. I don't know the answer just a point to ponder.

  • Posted By: gmeluski @ 09/11/2008 4:27:31 PM

    Why don't you teach your kids how to defend themselves, mentally? Just because some body says that you're mentally deficient doesn't make is so unless you believe it. Don't you know anything about psychology? Stand up for yourselves and teach your children the same thing. You don't have to believe someone else's bullshit, their analysis or take on you or your child. But you blame a system or a school. It's been a long time since I let another person determine what's WRONG WITH ME by analyzing my behavior or criticizing me. You know what? Life's been good ever since. Jesus and God in heaven above, stand up for yourselves. Or just stand around bleeting like helpless sheep.

  • Posted By: momofkwc @ 09/11/2008 4:22:05 PM

    I have two little boys of my own now and I am very concerned with what they have to know to even be considered for kindergarden it is a outrage and I have falled in the trap myself with trying to teach my 2 year old almost 3 year old everything I can as fast as I can I just hope its not to late for them.

  • Posted By: madams65 @ 09/11/2008 4:05:24 PM

    This article hits home for me. I have a second grade boy who is an intelligent child and struggles daily with the pressures of school and is fallling behind (one year behind) I have cried many nights because I am at a loss of what to do for him and worried about the challenges that we face.

    By the way I do feed my children healthy meals, make sure they have plenty of sleep and read with them every night. When kindergarden child come home with homework, come on.......

    We are destroying our children............

  • Posted By: Project Zero @ 09/10/2008 10:56:44 PM

    This problem can be blamed, in part, on our increasingly materialistic society. And the actions that these schools are taking, like limiting recess, banning sports and giving these kids work beyond their level, is only working as a lethal cocktail to make it worse.

    Before children begin attending school, they are usually spoiled and pampered with the free life of playing around with their toys and watching TV all the time. Then, when they get sent to school, it's a shock to their system. Bad parenting is largely to blame, with all this materialistic bullsh*t they buy for their kids, like Hannah Montana garbage, High School musical crap, and there are underground reports that suggest that these young preschoolers are being exposed to the idea of sex much more often than 20 years ago, since it's on the TV and media more often. This is f'ing sick! And then, on the flip side, I blame the teachers, because my younger sister, who is now 13, was verbally abused by her teachers for not being ablke to do very well at math. I helped her out with everything I've learned, and her grades started to improve from a C to about a B+, no thanks to the teachers and our educational system! Our education system is failing, and our politicians are doing absolutely nothing about it, burning money to fight a relatively worthless war (although we still need to spend on security and all that). The problem with our teachers is that they introduce new lessons in the textbook, and expect students to know all about it with minimal reinforcement. The problem here is that they teach them to know it, but not to UNDERSTAND it. You must start out with basic components first, then put them together!!! No, but instead, they bring out the whole lesson in bigger chunks that take a significant amount ofg time getting used to. WE NEED TO IMPLEMENT THE USE OF TECHNOLOGY AND VISUAL AIDS INSTEAD OF JUST TELLING THESE THINGS TO THEM!!! BUT THEY CAN'T BECAUSE F'ING CONGRESS WON'T ALLOCATE AN EDUCATION BUDGET! MORONS! And to make things even worse, students react to the misunderstanding of the subject matter by failing, then these f'ing teachers bnlame too much recess! Oh, this is making me sick!!! Decide this for yourself; I have to stop now.

    • Posted By: lizbet @ 09/11/2008 3:55:37 PM

      Your passion is glorious. Matches my take on this s_____y circumstance. I wonder what palliative will be thrown at our kids and those who Care so intensely. More medicine? tying down the student who is also medicated? Parents and no one showed dustress when these who banned recess, running, hugging a crying child, What can/could be next thrown at Kids/Parents? I won't besurprised if we lie down and take whatever comes

  • Posted By: hometownmom @ 09/11/2008 3:42:35 PM

    As a parent that has been a thorn in the side of our local school district - and yes, I have all boys in the system - I'm curious at what point the schools are going to have to start HEARING what all these articles/researches on adolescent boys' is saying. They simply turn a blind eye and deaf ear. Boys will be boys - they are WAY DIFFERENT than girls - they are much higher in energy - they do not work well sitting quietly, they need the hustle and bustle of moving about. I'm not saying there's not a time and place for them to have to be quiet etc, I'm saying that it appears that that is the only time and place left. There is no "activity time" for them. I just had this conversation with my son the other night (he's an 8th grade student and high energy - NOT ADHD, big difference). While reviewing his daily schedule, I asked him when "break" was. He just looked at me and said "we don't have break". Instead, he has full regimine academic classes and then at the end of the day, has PE - now I'm no genius, but even I can figure that kids need to get their energies out in order to be able to concentrate more efficiently. When I questioned his school about "what is your elective options" I was told that they have "Enrichment Class". Whatever that may be, which turns out to be yet another academic study, I commented "what about shop, home ec, those types of classes" and not to my surprise was told "oh, we don't have those". I have gone before the school board, have met with Supertintendants, have sent article after article to the Board and Sup's office to no avail. As I have told them in the past, they are now helping to shape my son for the future, they are merely creating test takers. While I admit, that there are still those teachers out there who understand/believe how the
    system best benefits kids, the powers that be nowadays are so concerned with their daily perdiem that the best interest of these kids is falling entirely too far by the wayside.

  • Posted By: luvmybebebugs @ 09/11/2008 3:28:59 PM

    Playhard got it right!!! If everyone would stop worrying about being pc, and start recognizing that there are differences between boys and girls. Accept that those differences are OK!!! Also how about parents take the time to COOK wholesome nutritional meals for their children and stop feeding them All this fast food highly processed junk. I promise just doing that will make a huge difference!!

  • Posted By: rex range @ 09/11/2008 3:23:59 PM

    NO, GENTLE LIBERALS, THE ANSWER IS NOT YET MORE "TAX MONEY FOR MENTAL HEALTH PROGRAMS" AND THE EVIL IS NOT [GEORGE W. BUSH'S] "STANDARDIZED TESTING." THE TRUTH IS THAT FOR FAR TOO LONG YOU AND YOUR MEDIA ENABLERS HAVE GLEEFULLY TAKEN IT UPON YOURSELVES TO "RIGHT EARLIER WRONGS"--THE ABUSES COMMITTED BY A PORTION OF MEN AGAINST WOMEN--BY SPENDING YOUR EVERY WAKING HOUR POUNDING ALL MEN (NO, MORE SPECIFICALLY, WHITE CHRISTIAN U.S. MEN) INTO THE GROUND WITH EVERY BIT OF MEDIA AND SCHOOL-BASED COMMUNICATION. I'VE NEVER BEEN A RICH WHITE BUSINESS SNOB--AND MY CAREER IS IN RUINS BECAUSE OF THOSE VERY SNOBS--BUT BECAUSE I'M WHITE, MALE AND TRYING TO COMPETE IN BUSINESS YOU HATE ME AND PUT ME DOWN AT EVERY TURN. LIKEWISE, YOU'VE BEEN POUNDING THESE BOYS DOWN SO HARD FOR SO LONG THAT THEY'RE FINALLY JUST GIVING UP AND THE SPECIES IS EVOLVING TOWARD YOUR DREAM WORLD OF, BY AND FOR WOMEN, WITH HILLARY CLINTON AND ROSIE O'DONNELL IN CHARGE. NOW, WHILE YOU'RE BUSY FORMING YOUR OWN STEREOTYPES ABOUT ME, LET ME EDUCATE YOU A BIT FURTHER: I AM ABSOLUTELY BLISTERINGLY ANTI-MALE VIOLENCE. IF I COULD ROUND UP EVERY SINGLE MAN WHO HAS EVER BEATEN OR EVEN THREATENED A WOMAN I WOULD BLOW THEM ALL TO HELL WITH A GATLING GUN. I WOULD NOT STOP SHOOTING FOR 18 MONTHS STRAIGHT IF THAT'S WHAT IT TOOK TO GET RID OF EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM. AND I WOULD PROUDLY STAND BEFORE GOD AND ASK HIS OR HER FORGIVENESS FOR HAVING RID HIS OR HER EARTH OF THE BEATERS/ABUSERS. BUT BECAUSE SOME GUTLESS F's HAVE ABUSED WOMEN IS NOT EXCUSE FOR YOU TO TRY TO DESTROY THE ENTIRE WHITE MAILE U.S. POPULATION. YOUR OWN STUDIES (AS CITED IN THIS STORY) SHOW THAT WE ARE ALL REAPING THE BITTER HARVEST. WILL YOU STOP? OR WILL YOU CONTINUE CONGRATULATING YOURSELVES ON IMPOSING "EQUALITY" THAT IS NOT TRUE EQUALITY AT ALL?

  • Posted By: Shifty14321 @ 09/11/2008 3:13:02 PM

    As a senior in high school, I look back at these children in middle and grade school and I see that they behave totally different then say my fellow classmates and I acted. Schools are just cutting to deep and putting kids through things they shouldn't learn until they at least experience being a child. Schools think that everyone is meant to go to college and you can do anything you set your mind to. From my expeirence, this is completely false.

  • Posted By: playhard @ 09/11/2008 3:09:31 PM

    Lets see, no dodgeball, not tag, no sports, no winners. Dumbass politicians and politically correct teachers not letting boys be boys. Nah that cannot be it.....

  • Posted By: hollywoodgunslinger @ 09/11/2008 2:54:55 PM

    I think a lot of the problem actually isn't the boys, it's the parents. Parents aren't letting their boys be boys. Nowadays, everyone is expected to be politically correct little drone colleg prep student with a full schedule of ridgedly sturctured activities. We are basically emasculating our boys from the outset. Plus the boom in behavioral and psychological medicine and "studies" over the last 10 years or so has lead a lot of people to see "problems" where they don't really exist.

  • Posted By: cfors @ 09/11/2008 2:40:14 PM

    As a mom of two boys, I struggle when their behavior & temperment is compared to the sweet docile girl sitting next to them. I also get annoyed when it's suggested that boys in general have attention span issues and need medication. Some might, but the majority probably just need to run and play a bit more and/or have an opportunity to be engaged in learning via tagging the lesson to a topic they are interested in. My eldest loves ocean animals... tag math, reading, and the like to that topic and he's all eyes & ears. Let's help boys be boys, and not hinder them by holding them to the typical temperment of the girl sitting next to them.

  • Posted By: notbydesign @ 09/11/2008 2:16:07 PM

    I was in the gifted program in my district because I was 'smarter' than most but that's not necessarily true, It's all about the way you think. That doesn't have much to do directly with the topic but I can say that I have seen a lot of dynamic in the school system from regular elementary school classes to the gifted classes, and the academic courses in high school to the easier 'applied' courses. And I can tell you that they are boosting what kids are learning ahead to way too young of an age. When I was in Grade 9 Geography (Academic course) They were teaching a kid that I was babysitting in grade 5 the exact same stuff! Things I had never learned until grade 9. They really need to try and stop making school shorter in years, longer through the day, and teach kids information at a more appropriate age. Give them their recess to take a breather, because as much as we look back and see how easy elementary school was, it really didn't seem easy back then did it? So imagine what kids are going through now.

  • Posted By: Tortured_Angel @ 09/11/2008 2:13:20 PM

    You are not going to find a simple answer to this problem. If you want change then it starts with the adults who are molding these children. Yes, they are capable of a lot but, you must remember that they are still children they would rather play and have fun not understanding why it is more important to learn. Children require patience and a lot of attention that most adults don't want to give including teachers who have large classes and what their job to be easier. The best way to understand would be to walk in their shoes. try asking them about it work with your children not against them.

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