Struggling School-Age Boys

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  • Posted By: Marnet @ 09/09/2008 12:05:15 AM

    I have to wonder if such simple but effective means of teaching some material is still used that my mom had back in the 1920s. Practicing math included learning how to balance a checkbook by the 7th grade. (Remember, back then most kids dropped out of school after the 8th grade so teaching some practical basics early was paramount.) Some of her history was learned practicing penmanship copying such things as the Preamble to the Constitution or even copying "June 14th is our flag's birthday." Heaven forfend we'd teach such things today! I've even run into high school English and history teachers who do not recognize the opening paragraph of the Declaration of Independence and the Preamble to the Constitution. Now that is scary!!!

  • Posted By: kabrink @ 09/08/2008 11:57:12 PM

    My youngest daughter is now 19. She had problems in early elementary school because she was 'distracted' easily. I was not happy and let the school know that she was bored. They did pull her out to get one on one help for reading. She is in her second year of college. Parents - don't push your kids into a mold they don't belong!!! Luckily she had a pre-school teacher that warned me that my daughter would be labbl

  • Posted By: CEA5620 @ 09/08/2008 11:55:28 PM

    I think the problem is a lot deeper than lack of playtime, ADHD and other learning disabilities - and I am certainly not denying their prevalence. This country's current education system is almost repulsive. These kids are expected to sit still and listen to a collection of obscure facts which have no relevance to each other, nor any connection to anything else. They are fed random information which aims at no end and serves no purpose other than passing a standardized test - which, of course, they MUST pass so the school district can look really good and receive more money. Kids are shuffled through grade after grade like herds of animals. They are not taught any kind of philosophy or theology. This country has become so politically correct that it would rather avoid discussing certain topics than encourage or even stimulate higher thinking. Naturally, second graders should not be expected to have profound debates over coffee and cigarettes about Aquinas and Aristotle, however some introduction to higher thinking is absolutely necessary in developing proper reasoning skills, and achieving one's highest intellectual capacity. The reason kids are so restless in school and new mental disorders pop up every few weeks is because these children have no guidance. You may think, "it is the parents job and prerogative to teach morals or religion," or, "that kind of stuff should be kept at home," but kids spend eight precious and imperative hours a day in a classroom, and those eight hours are wasted far more often than not.

  • Posted By: Yamira21 @ 09/08/2008 11:49:26 PM

    What is true is that boys are being understood. As a teacher I can tell you that there is less time for play, especially outside where boys can run. Kids are expected to silently do their work, not to stand, not sit on their legs, and not speak out of turn. School today is nothing like what it was for us. My husband came to school one day and was scared at the boot camp like environment and vowed that our children (both boys) would not be a part of a school like this. Problem is, today all schools are all like that, and in today???s age of tests, teachers are very quick to ask for special ed testing for a child that is not easily engaged or a bit hyper. It???s a way to CYA and label a kid. Parents too who are too busy with work, too tired when they come home, and also overwhelmed wished their kid would just play some video games or watch TV instead of going to the park and throwing a ball around with them. Teachers and parents need to relax and let their kids go out and play, get dirty, ride their bikes and not be so overprotective. We are stifling our boys and I get claustrophobic just watching it.

  • Posted By: Yamira21 @ 09/08/2008 11:48:58 PM

    What is true is that boys are being understood. As a teacher I can tell you that there is less time for play, especially outside where boys can run. Kids are expected to silently do their work, not to stand, not sit on their legs, and not speak out of turn. School today is nothing like what it was for us. My husband came to school one day and was scared at the boot camp like environment and vowed that our children (both boys) would not be a part of a school like this. Problem is, today all schools are all like that, and in today???s age of tests, teachers are very quick to ask for special ed testing for a child that is not easily engaged or a bit hyper. It???s a way to CYA and label a kid. Parents too who are too busy with work, too tired when they come home, and also overwhelmed wished their kid would just play some video games or watch TV instead of going to the park and throwing a ball around with them. Teachers and parents need to relax and let their kids go out and play, get dirty, ride their bikes and not be so overprotective. We are stifling our boys and I get claustrophobic just watching it.

  • Posted By: CEA5620 @ 09/08/2008 11:37:47 PM

    The current educational system in this country is almost repulsive. These kids don't know why they are learning most of what they are learning. They are fed random facts that have absolutely no connection or relevance to one another, they are not introduced to any kind of philosophy or religious education, thus they store everything into short-term memory and forget it after they take some ridiculous standardized test - which they MUST pass so that the school district can look good and receive more money. Obviously, second graders should not be expected to read Aristotle or Aquinas, but some kind of introduction into higher thinking really needs to be integrated into the cirriculum. This country has become so politically correct that it would rather avoid certain topics of discussion or debate than teach kids how to correctly develop their intellectual capacity and ability to reason. I hope this soon changes...

  • Posted By: Marnet @ 09/08/2008 10:47:26 PM

    When the purpose of schools became more focused on social engineering and the latest politically correct fad than actual education kids' began getting less education and caught in the constant tug of war between warring political factions.

    Try separating kids into same sex classes for the most part and let kids, both boys and girls, have a chance each day to run off excess energy in a couple of short recesses. Good grief, if a good brisk walk sharpens adult mental faculties and ability to sit still and concentrate, why wouldn't that be true for children?

    As to hearing that sitting on one's feet tucked up under them and spending some time looking out the window is considered diagnostic of ADHD, then guess I was a prime example 45 years ago. I always thought it was because the desk chairs were miserably uncomfortable and that I was often bored stiff because even then the educational fad was to teach to the lowest common denominator.

    No wonder so many parents prefer home schooling!

    • Posted By: Mom of disabled @ 09/08/2008 11:03:04 PM

      I don't know where you received your information, but diagnosing ADHD requires a far more extensive approach than the observation you described. The behavior must be consistent in various environments, not just school or home. The child has to meet the criteria in the DSM-IV that requires 6 or more symptoms to be prevalent in the area of inattention and then again in hyperactivity (12 in total). It is not diagnosed by teachers or the school. They only can make recommendations. Pediatrtions normally do not diagnose, but refer to specialists. I can assure a brisk walk will not work on these kids, physiologically the neural connections are not there. Some develop it later in life, whereas others do not. There are brain imaging scans that support this fact.

      I suspect everyone is talking about the few cases of misdiagnosed ADHD, which should not be viewed as the norm by any educated individual.

      • Posted By: Marnet @ 09/08/2008 11:27:19 PM

        I was commenting on the statement by another poster who said, "I was told my daughter must have ADHD because she sits on her feet in the chair and sometimes she can be caught looking out the window." Thats where my comment that I too sat on my feet and looked out the window without having ADHD.

  • Posted By: Mom of disabled @ 09/08/2008 10:56:06 PM

    I am not surprised at all. My son has a team mate that is known for his temper tantrums at sports. I mentioned to my husband last week that it could be due to the stress imposed upon him with his busy schedule. Right now, the child is on a soccer team, a township fall baseball team, a tournament fall baseball team and yet another baseball team he will play on when his schedule allows. I suppose in the middle of the night! He is now in 7th grade where the curriculum becomes more demanding and teachers less forgiving. I cannot imagine the meltdowns he will experience during the fall months.

    I bring him up as an example of how some parents are so consumed with making their children successful that they actually destroy their individuality. There is no time to be creative, to spend time with one's self or just past the time with friends. Everything is structured. How will these kids handle life without a schedule or when things do not go as planned? It is not only scary, but a runaway train.

    • Posted By: Marnet @ 09/08/2008 11:07:15 PM

      "There is no time to be creative, to spend time with one's self or just past the time with friends."

      Exactly! Hey, unstructured play time is important for kids to learn how to get along with others, how to debate and negotiate and settle disputes, how to be creative and try out their own ideas, and even how to learn to deal with being bored sometimes.

  • Posted By: Marnet @ 09/08/2008 10:37:02 PM

    In the 1920s and 1930s my mother went to school in a large city with a huge percentage of students whose parents were immigrants. Kids were expected by both the schools and their parents to master their studies and English and then turn around and teach their parents at home each evening what they'd learned at school that day.

    In the 1950s and 1960s we still had mostly stay at home moms who were there when the kids got home from school and could keep an eye on things as kids freely played back and forth throughout the neighborhood without scheduled "play dates."

    Most of all, until recent decades society's expectation was that children should be expected to behave at school. Now I hear endless tales of children who don't know how to sit down, shut up and pay attention. At the same time we've removed kids' needed outlet for physical activity and free time to figure out how to get along with their classmates in recess time.

    I think this is more a problem with how we raise kids than how we educate them, although how we educate them seems to have become skewed. After all, there are some private schools running strictly on scholarships in inner cities that manage to turn out wonderfully educated and balanced children, both boys and girls, with what is considered bare bones, less than minimal facilities. What's the difference? Parents, community, and schools all committed to making education the primary focus of schools; not social engineering, fostering self-esteem, or brain washing them with the latest politically correct world view.

    Let's try focusing on basics both at home and school. Turn off the tv, the video games, endless hours on the internet, the cell phones, etc. and send the kids outside to play and make sure they get homework done. Quit making teachers spend half their time filling out endless government mandated paperwork charting the politically mandated latest fad requirements and let them get back to actually teaching.

    Sorry, but if an entire generation of children in our culture are struggling, this isn't a medical problem to throw meds and psych counseling at. It is a cultural problem requiring society to rethink its culture and make appropriate adjustments one family, one school, one child at a time throughout the entire culture. No one family can control the overall environment but they can control their home environment and might just best start rethinking priorities!

    • Posted By: Mom of disabled @ 09/08/2008 11:04:42 PM

      In the 1920-1960's these kids were placed in special ed and dropped out. Is that the overall goal?

  • Posted By: Jeffrey Pratt @ 09/08/2008 10:41:49 PM

    As an elementary teacher I have noticed this trend emerging over the last decade or so. We have become much to test oriented where the only thing that is important is the Holy Grail of a high test score. Kids are not being allowed to be kids and are not being allowed to play like kids. Kids might still get a mohawk haircut, but when I was a youth with a mohawk I got to be the indian and the others were the cowboys, that is not politically correct in this "modern" world. What a shame for our youth.

  • Posted By: okashmir @ 09/08/2008 10:41:43 PM

    This is the consequence of a feminized America. Simply put, boys/men do not multi-task well and with our society, adapted to meet the needs of female communication and socialization, our boys are lost and confused because they simply don't understand what they are supposed to be. Women wanted and gained masculinity at the expense of their own children, how evil is that?

  • Posted By: okashmir @ 09/08/2008 10:40:05 PM

    This is the consequence of a feminized America. Simply put, boys/men do not multi-task well and with our society, adapted to meet the needs of female communication and socialization, our boys are lost and confused because they simply don't understand what they are supposed to be. Women wanted and gained masculinity at the expense of their own children, how evil is that?

  • Posted By: belladell @ 09/08/2008 10:38:43 PM

    I think blaming the 'busy schedule' of kids is negligent reporting. Technology has so changed childhood. Parents let technology raise their kids. Expect the schools to be the parent model for them. For every uber busy yuppie little boy, there's probably 10 that spend most of their afternoons playing video games, eating crappy food, and generally being unsupervised by parents whos parenting model is 'no news is good news'.

    I think the sad reality is that boys are failing MORE under the curent lack of parenting skills than the girls are, at least as far as standard methods of testing go. And who knows? Perhaps parents are more willing to look at their little boys and ask 'what's wrong with my little slacker?' while they let their girls 'slide' more and assume their acting out is more a girl or later hormonal thing.

    The kids i know that have the busy, yuppie lives... are happy kids with good grades and attentive parents. Maybe I just don't know enough of them. The problem kids I know (in and out of family) are all far less supervised and structured in their lives. THEY rule their free time. and yes, their parents just don't seem to want to understand 'where they went wrong.'

  • Posted By: Nancy A. @ 09/08/2008 10:31:16 PM

    It may also be that parents, mindful of the "fact" that boys need to grow up into men with jobs, and girls still have the option of being stay at home moms when they grow up, pay more attention to their sons' issues and less to their daughters' , thinking that it will somehow sort itself out for their girls.

  • Posted By: thetanpecan @ 09/08/2008 8:56:31 PM

    I agree with greenworks76. A predictable comment like blaming this problem on "feminism" is just too easy. The problem lies in the way children are allowed to sit around all day playing their Wiis and xboxes. My 12 year-old boy cousin constantly has blisters on his thumbs from playing so many violent video games. His twin sister is the one playing outside or with animals or with her friends. Personal stories aside, this problem also seems to be a product of overbearing, yuppie parents who want their children to be the best at everything (school, sports, languages, musical instruments). Or schools that are forced by the govt to adhere to certain test scores, no matter what the cost to the children.
    Further, because parents report more behavior problems in boys does not have anything to do with feminism or women. Let's talk some more about the "burden" of the white man. *yawn*
    I have a hunch school-aged boys have always had more behavior problems than girls.
    Maybe now more parents are reporting it... with the advent of adderrall and ritalin, no one wants to get left behind.

    • Posted By: Esencia08 @ 09/08/2008 10:18:40 PM

      Yes they have and this is why there was a practice of physical discipline in the classroom. Instead of diagnosing boys with a behavioral disorder and prescribing them with medication the teacher who was always female would give them a whack with her ruler!

  • Posted By: kiloroam @ 09/08/2008 10:11:43 PM

    Is it really a surprise that it could be the community and parenting? In my work with kids of all ages it is 99% parents and community. if you see a kid struggling, self-destructive, depressed, well, then take a look at the parents - how they act, if they actually are in a healthy relationship with each other, with themselves. How unfortunate in our double-standard culture it is taboo to hold the health of adults to account..just drug the kids,eh?

  • Posted By: yehlingling @ 09/08/2008 9:51:05 PM

    Instead of sending American kids to see psychologists and spending billions of dollars on those sessions, we should go back to the traditional way of raising kids -- less pressure, no multiple choice tests, and much more free play, playing time and critical thinking. Having said so, we must drastically curb immigration as many of our schools are overwhelmed with kids speaking little to no English. Teen pregnancies, which number approximately 750,000 a year, should be drastically reduced as well as teen parents are not likely to raise responsible kids.
    Yeh Ling-Ling
    Oakland, CA

  • Posted By: LisaP57 @ 09/08/2008 9:35:58 PM

    This has nothing to do with "feminization", or lack of free play. In the past schools were even harsher than they are today with physical discipline, rote learning and less creativity. The problem is expectations are higher for more students while parents are more indulgent. Successful students have always been the ones more disciplined and with self control. Americans better wake up because other countries understand that their futures depend on the successful education of most of their citizens.

  • Posted By: wildlifeusa @ 09/08/2008 8:40:46 PM

    I am a 51 year old french female.. I finished school at age 15.. I learned english on my own and 6 years after I moved to this country, I took the GED test because I needed to take a class at the community college. I passed the test without ever taking a class for it. What does it tell you??? I finished school 35 years ago.
    I truly believe that the republican party's goal is to make the american children as ignorant as they possibly can, so when they become adults they won't ask questions and will be easy to control and manipulate.. This is why the wrong people have been elected. People
    do not read anymore... All they do is watch TV.
    Please watch this video.. It will explain to you the goals of your leaders. It may seem
    extreme to some but it may not be surprising to many.
    Scroll to the right pass the blue square. Religious or not, watch the whole video.. You may understand what is going on in our world.
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  • Posted By: greenworks76 @ 09/08/2008 8:40:36 PM

    You cannot blame this siutation on "feminism" simply because it affect boys more than girls. There are many factors that play into this problem. What about video games? Children have less opportunities to socialize and play because their parents stick them in from of a tv or video game. I think we need to look at parenting. With the economy the way it is, very few families can afford to have one of them stay home with the kids, be it the father or mother. Oh, by the way techremgt, I'm a father.

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