Struggling School-Age Boys

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  • Posted By: CMCC @ 09/11/2008 10:22:25 AM

    This article/research is exactly right. I have two boys and one just started first grade. He was in a private school for two years and we switched because of the financial burden of tuition ($18K a year!). The private school did a great job meeting the needs of both genders. His new public school is one of the best in our area. Parents clamor to get their children into this school. With that said, his new schedule allows for PE one day a week and Science and Social Studies are squeezed in for 20 minutes at the end of the day. He is miserable, says he "hates" school and "sits" all day long. The biggest disappointment is the lack of hands on activities and any the ability to learn about the natural world. I know they need the basics but our children have to develop their five senses. Sitting doing worksheets all day I feel is cheating them during a time that is invaluable for their growth as a human being. I am not sure what we are going to do but I a know that I cannot take 11 more years of my boys hating school!

  • Posted By: Debinc @ 09/11/2008 10:19:59 AM

    I wholeheartedly agree with this article. As a teacher, I have seen this in the schools as well as with my own children. I am frightened for the future of the children in this country. However, I see the problem in a little different way. Teachers in the public schools are required to teach in a certain way and are required to teach certain subjects. Teachers do not have the choice to have extra recess or PE time. They are also required to teach the children how to take tests which do not prepare them for the real world. "No Child Left Behind" has made this even more of an issue where the individual needs of students are not allowed to be met. All children are required to fit into a specific mold that the government has set. It has tied the hands of teachers in public schools to teach in ways that best meet the needs of their students. Teachers want to be able to teach using more hands-on methods and more movement. It used to be fun to teach children using creative methods, but we are no longer at liberty to do so. I am disheartened for the children who cannot fit into this mold.

  • Posted By: Defining Eternity @ 09/11/2008 9:38:38 AM

    It's not the school workload that is slowly choking the emotional health out of our youth. I will be the first to say a child should be allowed time to be a child, but children had far more responsibilities in antiquity and even in recent history than they do now. Children were expected to work in the fields, assist with household chores, and even fight wars alongside their fathers (if you go far enough back in history). While we don't have psychological records from those times, I think there is sufficient evidence to support the idea that a heavy workload is not a new thing.

    I suggest that the destabilization of the american pre-adolescent male is not a factor imposed by the sociological pressure of an increased workload, nor do I support the idea of changing enviromental factors. (I deeply distrust a medical paradigm largely propigated by the companies who create and sell medications.)

    Sadly, we have only ourselves to blame for our son's troubles. America has lost its moral compass and our sons are picking it up. Fathers leave, politicians lie, stars and heroes range from unfaithful to violent, and our sons see it all. All the while we ship them off to school at a younger and younger age. This does not damage them because of an increase in responsibilities. It damages them because it isolates them from what scant family enviroment they may have. The sad truth is, a society willing to abandon morality on a wholesale level really has no right to complain when the results finaly become evident.

    Spend time with your sons. Give them more love not more medication. (DSM IV lists ADHD prevalence at 7-12% in the population; 30% of children in the average school are taking Riddlin for ADHD. Who do you think is pushing it then, psychology or pharmacy?) We may sacrifice our careers in order to save our sons, but if a corner office or another $3,000 a year is more important to you than a child, you are more maladaptive than Bundy.

    • Posted By: TwimMommy1537 @ 09/11/2008 10:14:57 AM

      I agree with you! In Dr. Kenneth Bock's book Healing the New Childhood Epidemics - Autism, ADHD, Asthma and Allergies, he gives several alarming statistics. The first is that 90% of all the ADHD drugs in the world are consumed in America. The second is that $3.1 billion was spent on ADHD in 2005, almost 4 times as much as the amount spent in 2000. The numbers keep rising.

      In addition to these statistics, I am becoming more and more alarmed by how narcissitic the people in our country are becoming. Watch the television and you can see how self-involved we are. Everything and everyone has to be perfect. Our decisions are based on money, convenience and just plain old selfishness and not about what's right. If your kid needs more time with you, cut stuff out and make them a priority. When did stuff start trumping people, their needs and their feelings. When did we stop putting others first? I'm thinking that we have a lot of little boys who feel completely unsuccessful because they are being forced to operate in an environment that is not natural for them. This lack of compassion on our part will affect their self-confidence. We are shaping the leaders of tomorrow!

  • Posted By: dominirican74 @ 09/11/2008 10:00:54 AM

    I completely agree with this article. Not only is it affecting boys, but girls as well. The rampant diagnosis of ADHD is absolutely ridiculous to me. The reality is these children need time to play, burn off energy, socialize. The school system as it has become is a detriment to our children and our society.

  • Posted By: DavisVball @ 09/11/2008 9:47:31 AM

    Boys need more play time and it wouldn't hurt girls either. As a mother of a son and an aunt to a nephew struggling in school, I can tell you that it is very difficult to know what to do short of taking them out of school and home schooling them or sending them off to an all-male school. Both boys are smart, they just have a tough time sitting still all day long. When I was in school, we had a 15 minute recess in the morning and 45 minutes at lunch to run and play. On top of that, we had 55 minutes of PE every single day.

  • Posted By: CMCC @ 09/11/2008 9:45:05 AM

    I have two boys and I could not agree more with the research/article. My 7 year old son was in private school for the past two years. We had to switch schools due to the financial costs. We have an excellent public school so we decided to give it a try. I have been so disheartened at what I have seen so far. His private school worked very hard to adjust the curriculum to the needs of boys. My son now complains that he "sits" all day long. He has PE one day a week and recess everyday. His old school had PE everyday plus recess in addition to subjects being taught using a hands on approach. His day now consists of Reading, Writing and some Math. Science and Social Studies are taught for 20 minutes at the end of the day. I am so sad that his new view of education is that school is rigid and boring. Children need to learn using the 5 senses not just how to fill out a worksheet and practice for achievement tests.

  • Posted By: jsuver @ 09/11/2008 9:40:54 AM

    Wow! I can't believe that someone actually substantiates what I have know for years. I am the mother of three boys and have complained about these same issues all through their school years. In fact it was one of the reasons that I homeschooled them in their grade school years. We had plenty of time for outside play and exploration and could learn things hands on with limited "worksheet time". I think another point that needs to be addressed is that a lot of boys have trouble with memorization so that the way they teach to read just does not work!!!
    Part of the issue too is the blurring of the genders, boys are expected to act like girls. Girls are more relational whereas boys are more activity based. What used to be considered normal boy behavior is now considered abnormal and in need of medication.
    It is very few boys that thrive in the public school environment (my middle son was one) but I see a lot of boys that do not and become discouraged and give up. What a shame that we make our boys feel less than they are simply because they are males.
    A thought...ever noticed how anti-male our society has become? We dont teach our boys to be men or embrace manly qualities beyond the usual drinking and womanizing.

  • Posted By: simplyhelpful @ 09/11/2008 9:35:01 AM

    Great point Lance

  • Posted By: simplyhelpful @ 09/11/2008 9:33:19 AM

    Girls on the other hand thrive on the accomplishments in the classroom and they get a sense of accomplishment from a good grade and reading and learning books. Boys need to physically do something to fill accomplishment. It's time for parents to stop all of the undue stress kids are extremely bright and need to develop on their on and not always be so book happy in forcing things down kids throat.

  • Posted By: LanceSmith @ 09/11/2008 9:33:05 AM

    deeee, I think the issue is the changes in education were made to help girls...therefore, obviously, girls are better suited to deal with them. 20-30 years ago all you heard about was how girls are being left behind in school and that school as designed with boys in mind. Makes sense since up until a few decades ago the only people that needed a good education were men. Our society changed (which is a good thing by the way) and now women are in as high if not higher demand and therefore girls have needed the same education. The problem is, we became so successful at teaching girls, we forgot boys. And the feminists, for all of their talk about equality, are happy with this pro-female disparity and will do anything in their considerable power to stave off any meaningful pro-male reforms (even to the point of outright lying like the AAUW did just a few months ago). What feminists need to realize is that just because boys would finally be winning again, this doesn't mean girls would be loosing. Instead, both genders should win.

  • Posted By: simplyhelpful @ 09/11/2008 9:29:57 AM

    Girls are typically better in the classroom. Science has proven that over and over again. Boys thrive outside of the classroom, which is why most boys do what they have to to get through school because most see school as a hiderence to them accomplishing anything (but some see it as necessary to get to their accomplishment but are drudging through it to get to that accomplishment)

  • Posted By: simplyhelpful @ 09/11/2008 9:27:40 AM

    Boys are more prone to desire to be active outside instead of cooped up in a class all of the time. Instead of the countless drills how about a break. We as adults seem to forget that our kids are just that kids. We as adults have to take a break from our "drills and stress" it's called breaks and vacation from work. News flash the extra pressure that parents put on their kids (sons especially) is sometimes too much for them bear.

  • Posted By: simplyhelpful @ 09/11/2008 9:27:07 AM

    Boys are more prone to desire to be active outside instead of cooped up in a class all of the time. Instead of the countless drills how about a break. We as adults seem to forget that our kids are just that kids. We as adults have to take a break from our "drills and stress" it's called breaks and vacation from work. News flash the extra pressure that parents put on their kids (sons especially) is sometimes too much for them to bear.

  • Posted By: red_dawg48 @ 09/11/2008 7:24:26 AM

    RE: LeslieWM
    The "natural order" managed to get us through the first 299,990 years. I guess that wasn't good enough.

    • Posted By: DDPK @ 09/11/2008 8:32:05 AM

      yes, the "natural order" that produced two world wars, one cold war, the crusades, the inquisition, genital mutilation, stoning to death. Yep, let's revert to the "natural order."

      • Posted By: totoraib @ 09/11/2008 9:16:39 AM

        Take a logic class. You just used one of the classical logical fallacies: post hoc ergo propter hoc. WWII happened in the past when we used to do things differently, therefore the way we did things back then caused WWII. FALSE!!

      • Posted By: totoraib @ 09/11/2008 9:14:54 AM

        Take a logic class. What you just did was use one of the classical logical fallacies: post hoc ergo propter hoc. WWII happened in the past when we did things differently, therefore the way we did things back then caused WWII. FALSE!

  • Posted By: deeee @ 09/11/2008 9:10:27 AM

    this article doesn't explain anything. it merely restate the problem: that boys are not doing well. why are girls able to cope better with these changes in education than boys? what is it about the "natural development" of boys that makes them less able to succeed with these changes? it presumes that there is fundamental/ biological difference between boys and girls but never states what precisely that is. it never answers its own question, and therefore doesn't provide any new insight into this very serious issue.

  • Posted By: LanceSmith @ 09/11/2008 9:01:53 AM

    Excellent article Peg Tyre! I agree that much of the problem is feminisization of the educational system. I do agree with DDPK that it isn't about moms working outside of the home. What is true though is that in our rush to make school more "female friendly" we have forgotten a biological fact: males and females learn differently and therefore they must be taught differently. It is time for us to revisit single-sex schools/class, or it is time for us to reevaluate whether making schools more female-friendly is the answer. Not too long ago, it was girls that were looked upon as "stupid" or "broken." I find it interesting that now, 30 years or so later, the genders are reversed. So just as we made changes to the system to accommodate girls and prove without a doubt that they are not stupid nor broken, we need to do the same thing for boys. I know when I have a son, I will be looking for a school that is pro-boy and perhaps even single-sex just to make sure that he never feels that he is being treated like a broken-girl.

  • Posted By: LanceSmith @ 09/11/2008 9:01:32 AM

    Excellent article Peg Tyre! I agree that much of the problem is feminisization of the educational system. I do agree with DDPK that it isn't about moms working outside of the home. What is true though is that in our rush to make school more "female friendly" we have forgotten a biological fact: males and females learn differently and therefore they must be taught differently. It is time for us to revisit single-sex schools/class, or it is time for us to reevaluate whether making schools more female-friendly is the answer. Not too long ago, it was girls that were looked upon as "stupid" or "broken." I find it interesting that now, 30 years or so later, the genders are reversed. So just as we made changes to the system to accommodate girls and prove without a doubt that they are not stupid nor broken, we need to do the same thing for boys. I know when I have a son, I will be looking for a school that is pro-boy and perhaps even single-sex just to make sure that he never feels that he is being treated like a broken-girl.

  • Posted By: Sallygirl @ 09/11/2008 2:27:41 AM

    What the author of this article states is all true but he never gets to the real point. The reason why kids are not out on the streets playing, over scheduled with activities, and overmedicated all falls back on one thing. Working parents. I hate to admit it but the day feminism came into this world, is the day our children suffered. I am all for equality but 2 working parents can not raise a family. They need nannies, daycare, teachers and after school activities to do it for them. Seeing your kids for 2 hours a night isn't cutting it. They need to have a stable home environment. The reason why there are not any kids playing outside after school is because they are locked up in after school daycare while mommy works. Feminism allowed the economy to increase housing/car/grocery rates because they realized most families were making more then $50K with 2 working parents. Now moms that want to stay home are having a hard time because of it but to be honest, most prefer the easiness of work then raising kids. They feel empowered, I guess. How about empowering yourself to raise the kids you created? How about you stop worry about your McMansion, designer clothes and other non-essentials and teach your children what they need to know in this world. Let them see that YOUR priority is them. Volunteer at school, let them have tons of freeplay, encourage them to be who they are, make them feel proud of themselves and let them know you enjoy being with them and raising them everyday. Nannies and daycares do not care about raising your children into decent human beings. They are an adult body that wants to get paid. Period. I see parents who both work until 6pm everyday rushing home scrambling for dinner and getting any chores and homework done in a limited amount of time, exhausted and ready for bed before their kids even are. A frazzled home leads to a frazzled child. No one is to blame but the selfish parents who rather others raise their kids then themselves. Case closed...

    • Posted By: DDPK @ 09/11/2008 8:48:42 AM

      Don't blame it on feminism and working mothers. I was raised in a family where both parents worked and both I and my brother turned out fine. My parents worked 7 am to 3 pm, no overtime, no weekends, and we had the whole afternoon to be a family. Oh yes, but that was communist Yugoslavia that you all hate. What's destroying American families is not working mothers, but the rampant consumerism where owning a flat screen TV and a mini van is worth neglecting your children for. As for stay-at-home moms, two comments: first, read Betty Friedan's Feminine Mystique to see how 'blissfully happy' mothers are when they are at home with the kids, and second, consider that today more and more stay-at-home mothers dip into their children's Ritalin stash just to make it through the day.

    • Posted By: Ihavheart @ 09/11/2008 2:34:17 AM

      Sallygirl, what does Feminism have to do with this issue? Dads can raise children, too. They can stay at home. Let's have more stay-at-home dads!! Yeaaaaaaaaaaahhh!!

      • Posted By: Sallygirl @ 09/11/2008 2:44:22 AM

        I agree. As long as the parents work together to raise the kids and not let a bunch of other people to do it, I am all for stay at home dads. Problem is, it is a rare occurance. That said, Feminism has a lot to do with it. I am not saying it was a bad movement but it went to such an extreme that women in the 80's began to think they were worthless if they stayed home to raise kids. It was hip to try and take a run at all the men's jobs. Problem is, it lead our economy to start in a 2 working parent direction and makes it extremely difficult for the families that want to raise their children themselves. So whether it is a stay at home mom or dad, there are a ton of sacrifices that have to be made to do it and it is a shame. I am just a firm believe in old school family raising. One works and one raises the kids. Simplier times allowed our kids to live relaxed, carefree but family-structured way of life. The over abundance of after school activities and tv/video games are because parents are too busy and hurried to take a deep breath and enjoy their kids.

      • Posted By: rottenmont @ 09/11/2008 2:43:10 AM

        I've found someone else here that really thinks.... Cudos Sallygirl........ well written.

  • Posted By: Let the children Play @ 09/11/2008 8:48:04 AM

    As a man, I am heartened to hear women saying what I felt was happening, feminization of th eAmerican male. Feminists won outright, now we just have to get Blackwidow and preying mantis genes injected into our young ones and the project of making man utterly useless will be complete. In divorce women defacto get 80% custody merely by objecting to a 50/50 with the dad. From thereon any boy in that scenario is at the mercy of one parent's sway, and that parent being female it is reasonable to think that often enough they will feminize the boy.

    Regarding leaning social skills. My son was at a private school where kids bragged about what they had. I pulled my son out of that private school into a public school for two years, so he can be street smart and be less materialistic. Boy did I hear it from everybody. After a year and a half my wife wrestled him back into private school. I am glad that he had picked up most of what I thought he lacked. His rank socially had improved dramatically. He was more socially adept, assertive and alert. Watches his stuff more carefully and makes friends more easily.

    As the earlier posts suggested, too much books early on may nto be all that. I grew up in Africa, never went to preschool and by an measure was at inferior schools. At 20 I came to the US and earned a Ph D in Chemistry and Biology. I was at a prestigious university in California that had lots of international students who had similar background as me, and we were no less prepared for college than our US counterparts who had had all these other resources earlier on, but were really strange socially, sad to eb exact and took it out on beer, sex and drugs. So I think he over emphasis on core subjects at the expense of other developmental needs is a tragedy.

    Sure Johhny will get A's up to junior high then they burn out and get rebelious.

    Let the children play.

  • Posted By: gnsuko @ 09/11/2008 7:15:14 AM

    I am the mother of five children ages 22 to 15. Three of them are boys and they are quite well adjusted and not one on Ritalin. We allowed our boys to be boys. Boys are far more physical than girls and that is quite apparant at a very young age, beginning long before their first birthday. All of our children ran, climbed, threw balls, etc., but the boys ran faster, climbed higher, threw further just because they physically could do it. This was not a "cut down" to our daughters. This wasn't a competition between the sexes. They just did what naturally came to them. We are not allowing our children to be children, especially we are not allowing our boys to be boys. When they get home from school, give them a snack and let them play outside for a little while. They just came home from 8 hours plus of structure, and then we expect them to immediately sit down and begin three hours of homeworK?? Where is the common sense these days? If they pick up a stick, point it and say bang bang, that doesn't mean they are going to become violent. That is something boys just do. The feminization of our culture is harming our boys because they just do not know how to react. Yes, we should pay attention to our daughters and encourage them to be the best they can be, but not at the expense of our boys. Common sense people.

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