Bristol's Choice

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  • Posted By: DodgerFan @ 09/09/2008 10:02:18 AM

    It seems that Bristol never had the opportunity to make a choice. "Her" decision was pre-ordained from the moment of conception, and she never had any alternative. I agree with the author that there are good reasons to differ over the morality of aboriton. But I think we should be clear on one thing. The words "Republican" and "choice" should not be used in the same sentence.

    • Posted By: rr811 @ 09/09/2008 10:33:14 AM

      She had plenty of choices before she actuallly got pregnant. She had the choice of abstinence or her choice of various birth control method. There are always consequences and risks associated with choices.She made her choices and now has to deal with the result. Again, she has choices, she can keep the baby or give it up for adoption. I am sick and tired of the arguement that Republicans are against choice just because we don't believe killing a fetus is a choice.

      • Posted By: DodgerFan @ 09/09/2008 11:25:07 AM

        Your points are well taken. But why did Sarah Palin's statment imply that Bristol had the choice of whether or not to continue the pregnanct? Straight talk would have been, "Bristol had no choice but to continue the pregnancy. And we will make that choice for every woman in America, teenagers and adults alike." Say it like it is. Is that too much to ask?

    • Posted By: lauralund @ 09/09/2008 10:47:32 AM

      I've noticed that the words "pro-choice" and "informed choice" are never used together by the Dems.

  • Posted By: RO in Reno @ 09/09/2008 11:23:43 AM

    This campaign is starting to look like it has only one issue..Again..Abortion.
    It is amazing how people can be so blind as to vote, an exercise that affects literally everyone based on an issue that does not.

    Shortsightedness seems to be a Republican trait that and campaigning on emotion rather than issues.

    Given the fact the US is now the third most populated country in the world and growing, the day will come when just as exists in China right now... abortion will be not just legal but required.

    But to oppose abortion and then support war is the height of hypocrisy. , the war in Iraq has cost more than 500.000 lives, more by some estimates, of which over 4,000 are young Americans.

    A wise man once pointed out ???Emotions have no brains"

  • Posted By: 345hike @ 09/09/2008 11:23:24 AM

    So what's your point? Nothing new here. Should we the people as a society decide that abortion is abhorrent or should each individual be able to make that decision. No woman is an island.

  • Posted By: yankeepooh @ 09/09/2008 11:04:08 AM

    I'm going to jump into the midst of this abortion discussion and tell you that if my daughter was 17 and pregnant I would be quite worried for her. My daughter was 18, married and attending college when she became pregnant with my grandson. No worries, right. Wrong, she developed something called Toxemia which I learned in any pregnancy isn't good. The baby wasn't due until after her semester ended but that wasn't the way it played out as her doctor refused to let her continue school unless sshe had something called a stress test every day. When she was in the hospital for a c-section, I asked the nrse about this Toxemia. She explained that girls having babies when they were under 19 were playing with a loaded gun. She sayed this stuff could kill them and the unborn baby. Wow! Yep, parents definitely need to do all they can to teach their kids about making babies when they're still babies themselves.

    • Posted By: emmalulu @ 09/09/2008 11:20:07 AM

      Pregnancy at any age presents risk to the mother... that is the nature of pregnancy.

  • Posted By: sieg6529 @ 09/09/2008 11:18:29 AM

    When was the last time any president helped make government smaller? I don't see the Republicans doing it. Reagan created just as many regs as he removed, and every president since has expanded government. We're getting a bigger government from the next president, no matter what your ideology may tell you.

  • Posted By: truth can be known @ 09/09/2008 11:11:26 AM

    This is not about abortion really. Frankly, the Dems do not want strong families because strong families have values. They think in terms of cause and affect. They live life. Ever since the Great Society they have been weakening the American family so they can "save" them. Plato said this, "This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs: when he first appears he is a protector." We are on a fast slide to Socialism, which will never work because man, in his selfishness and pride, can not handle power. Percy Shelley, 1813, said, "Power, like a desolation pestilence, pollutes whatever it touches." It is exactly what the framers of the Consitution were trying to avoid. Our government is too big, too powerful (check out all the land seized from people, it will astound you) and too ineffective. Former U.S. Treasure Secretary William Simon writes in, "A Time For Action,"---"The bureaucrat's first objective, of course, is preservation of his job---provided by the big-government system, at taxpayer's expense...Whether real-world problems get solved or not is of secondary importance. It doesn't take much cynicism, in fact, to see that the bureaucrats have a vested interest in not having problems solved. If the problems did not exist (or had not been invented), there would be no reason for the bureaucrat to have a job." Vote to make government smaller, leaner, and accountable.

  • Posted By: truth can be known @ 09/09/2008 10:58:18 AM

    Wow--I can not believe the number of comments on this article. When I was in school many years ago I was so saddened by the societies that killed their babies or had human sacrificies. And yet that is the society that we have become, only we don't leave the baby in the woods or put a knife to its throat on an altar. Instead we have a nice Doctor in a white coat perform the deed. We sacrifice our children on our altar of selfishness. Partial birth abortion is barbaric, period!! If a baby is born alive after an abortion we leave it to die. This is the choice the Dems have given us in our modern day. But that is the only one. If the baby is born than suddenly they want to take away any choices. They are furiously opposed to school choice. Parents are not smart enough to choose, I guess. And now they want to intice families to give the government run schools their babies as soon as they're born, and raise taxes to do it.

  • Posted By: libsmakemesick @ 09/09/2008 10:52:39 AM

    Too bad that all Americans cannot think like liberals. Just kill the baby already!!! Be it partial-birth abortion or the plain ole regular abortion. Can't you people see how perfectly moral and normal this is. What are these repugnant conservatives thinking? How can they ever argue for protecting the rights of a poor, innocent, unborn baby?

  • Posted By: soggy @ 09/09/2008 10:52:37 AM

    I may not be the most astute observer of presidential politics. I voted for the first and last time in 1984. I looked at the choices carefully back then and thought long and hard about campaign promises and programs. In the end, when my vote was cast I felt the need for a shower. There is a reason that big business and big oil give equally to the dems and repubs. They know what so do not. Only a whore can rise through the process to become president. I am perplexed this time however by Ms. Palin she has strong views and principles that seem unasaliable. The fact that people like Ms. Lithwick keep bringing up nit picky crap like the use of the word c"choice" at it relates to her daughter not having an abortion makes me wonder if this woman is not a new breed. The fear that those on the left, and even some on the right, makes me wonder if I should not dust of my voter registration card once again.

  • Posted By: leanright @ 09/09/2008 10:47:23 AM

    As Obama would say, "No, no, no, no, no." By your logic, parents shouldn't tell their 17 years olds not to have sex. You would say they should have the right to decide. But parenting people less than 18 means trying to talk them into a lot of healthy behaviors, from brushing their teach to opting out of an abortion. That's your right and your responsibility as a parent. Once the kids are of age -- which seems older and older in our doting culture -- then you just hope a big part of your input over the years took.

  • Posted By: James Warner @ 09/09/2008 10:42:42 AM

    Dear Dahlia Lithwick - Keep those eyes of yours closed, it's working for you, and me! You are quite possibly looking at Republican presidents for the next twelve maybe sixteen years and you don't see it coming. The is great!

  • Posted By: lauralund @ 09/09/2008 10:42:25 AM

    Many girls and women who choose this particular medical procedure are not fully informed of the physical and emotional risks or potential side-effects when making the "choice". In other words, they are not allowed to have "informed consent" on this procedure, evidently because it might discourage them from "choosing" to have the abortion. Is that pro-choice? People have the right to know what many women and girls have suffered physically and emotionally after "choosing" an abortion. The side-effects of this medical procedure are real. If a Dr. performed any other procedure without giving the patient full information of other alternatives or the potential side-effects beforehand, that Dr. would have her license revoked and worse. You can't pretend to protect a woman's right to choose an abortion by withholding necessary information about risks that would inform her choice. Because of the so called "pro-choice" movement, the right to make an informed choice has actually been taken away.

  • Posted By: wilsan @ 09/09/2008 10:33:32 AM

    Ah, the "in the Tank for Obama" media is still lying.

    A woman that went from PTA to Governor in 10 years (or whatever) is 'limiting' woman.

    Only Newsweek (or Time, or NYT) would try to peddle such a story. Whatever happened to REAL journalism?

  • Posted By: Kykeith @ 09/09/2008 10:32:02 AM

    If the Democrats are truly concerned and up in arms with the mantra of "women should be allowed to do what they wish with their bodies," I await their party platform of legalizing prostitution.

    How can this big bad mean country take the stance that women cannot choose to earn a living by using their body?

    I mean, if we want to allow women to do what they wish with their bodies.

    I await Obama and Biden to start pushing the legalization of prostitution on their campaign stops.

  • Posted By: Dencal26 @ 09/09/2008 10:22:49 AM

    Lets pretend that the author is actually more concerned about Bristol Palin than Bristols own parents. But the author is not concerned with Bristol she is concerned with her own agenda.

  • Posted By: humbird59 @ 09/09/2008 10:21:41 AM

    Anyone recall the following: Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day (Democrat philosophy). Teach a man to fish, and he'll eat for a lifetime (Republican philosophy). Let's get back to teaching instead of hand-outs for all.

  • Posted By: Dencal26 @ 09/09/2008 10:21:13 AM

    If an adult should have input into the pregnancy of Bristol Palin should it be Sarah and Todd Palin or this Author? Or some court? Or some agency that would take her accross state lines for an abortion without consent or notification of Parents??

  • Posted By: olderwiser @ 09/08/2008 8:08:20 PM

    What a move. An unknown woman is jerked out of a remote state and thrust into the national presidential race as a candidate who could become president if the elderly president who chose her doesn't make it as far down life's trail as he thought. She is permitted to speak to a national audience of over 50 million people and uses the occasion to insult the opposing party's candidate repeatedly and is then sheltered with the declaration that she is not permitted to allow the press to ask her about herself because she is too "tender" to handle probing questions. Most of what her party says about her concerns her teenage daughter who is pregnant and unmarried, having been exposed to the whole nation in her embarrassed state by the same mother who is not too timid to slander everyone in sight. We are entertained with stories of trashy family squabbles in which her sister is abused by a law officer husband and then the officer is wrongfully abused by the "tender" candidate who is too "tender" to answer questions of our press. None of this crap has anything to do with running this gigantic country with its many problems that cry out for solution. We want to know what these candidates intend to do about them. They will not tell us.

    I cry foul. Stop this immediately and get this mess into a decent campaign where the opponents are civil to each other and where they tell us in great detail what they intend to do with each problem so that we can vote intelligently. Stop this silly crap. Now.
    Either put this woman in front of our press or get here the hell out of the race. Put an embargo on all lurid and other family problems of the candidates and get real. Time is of the essence.

    • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 09/08/2008 10:37:43 PM

      Remote?

      In case you had not heard, Alaska is at the heart of a number of the issues presented in this election - developing our energy portfolio, addressing social problems like dependency, dealing with the interrelated issues of small business and environmental interests, the impact of the high cost of transportation on shipping (do you know what it costs to ship a couch to Alaska????)

      Quit trying to make it appear as though Alaska was some kind of neverland. It is a real place with real people whose real problems reflect the same problems everyone in our country is experiencing, except they are magnified because Alaska is not only "remote" but it borders both Canada and Russia with whom we have had trade issues for years.

      Take your own advice.

      Get real and quit spouting party dogma.

      • Posted By: olderwiser @ 09/09/2008 10:15:36 AM

        Try as hard as you may, pearsoncrz, you just can't shine Alaska out of its remoteness.

      • Posted By: summer4077 @ 09/09/2008 7:47:10 AM

        Alaska only has a population of 670,000. Tiny. And yes, it is absolutely remote.

  • Posted By: mistermcfrugal @ 09/09/2008 10:12:34 AM

    Well, it's clear we know one thing: this writer wants to be able to force medical workers to help kill children in the womb or be fired! Then she goes on to talk about how "extreme" Palin is. Writing like that takes guts!

  • Posted By: mike1852 @ 09/09/2008 10:06:16 AM

    Killing should never be a "choice".

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