What Will the Collider Tell Us?

"he's just simple" My IQ is 184 and I am not simple, but I tell you without a doubt that God does exist. Nothing of any real value will come from the data of the LHC.

This won't prove or disprove the existence of God, just like all other attempts before it. If it were possible to prove God's existence then it would be a matter of acquired intelligence needed to earn your way to Heaven. Since no one is perfect by anyone else's standard, then by what standard do we use to measure "good enough" to stand next to a presumably perfect God? Likewise, if it were possible to prove God does not exist then what hope is there is anything - nothing would have any value outside of itself and would devolve unto its own destruction.

You will only find evidence either way and have to make your own choice (or choose not to make any choice).

I think the fact that we can't prove or disprove His existence is in and of itself evidence for God. Our written record says that faith alone, not earning or achieving or intelligence can do it. That is consistence with our evidence collected so far.

Interesting also that those that oppose God tend to respond with negative emotion, hatred, anger, etc. - instead of simply and peacefully disagreeing. That behavior is also evidence for God's existence.

We have Creation, the Bible, and the Testimony of Jesus (along with witnesses) - all evidence for God. I choose to believe. I'm not simple, stupid, arrogant, judgmental, or preaching and I don't hate you for disagreeing.

Man I'm sick of all the ignorant comments here. The truth is, we really DON'T KNOW what the results of the machine will be. First off, theres a high probability that black holes can be created. The stupid argument that the scientists use, "we'll be fine because cosmic rays hit Earth all the time and we're fine" is complete and utter bulls***. Cosmic rays from outer space hit STATIONARY objects on Earth, NOT OBJECTS ALSO MOVING AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT! Particles that are BOTH going the speed of light and collide does NOT happen naturally. Thats a big problem right there. Second, we're relying on black holes to disappear because of a THEORY. A THEORY!!! Thats all 'Hawking Radiation' is...an unproven theory. If he's wrong, we're all dead.

Maybe the world wont end tomorrow, but as they increase to higher energies throughout the year I can almost guarantee something will go wrong. Cherish your last remaining moments with your loved ones and Earth....wont be around for long

all i can say is that if we are made in the image of god, and god is perfect, then does't that stand to reason that we are perfect as well? OR did god screw up? thereby making him/her imperfect as well?

I just want to know where this 5 billion dollars is coming from? And though I'm not discounting it's importance, I just feel that a sum of money so large could go towards something we KNOW exists like third world poverty, starvation, and various other humantarian efforts.

Safety of the Large Hadron Collider is unknown, the experiment is unprecedented in nature and planetary risk has not been conclusively excluded.

The safety opposition alleges CERN is misrepresenting the certainty of safety and did not properly address[9] compelling opposition arguments by credible senior scientists including visiting professor of Physics Dr. Otto Rössler[1][2] and Physics PHD Dr. Rainer Plaga[3].

Planetary safety arguments include disputed cosmic ray arguments[1][2][3] and refuted Hawking Radiation[4][5].

Earlier in 2008 CERN acknowledged that if micro black holes were created[6] by head-on collissions in particle colliders some would travel too slowly to escape Earth while cosmic ray created stable micro black holes would not be stopped by Earth.[7] This safety argument flaw was as discovered by former Cosmic Ray Researcher, California Math Champion and Nuclear Safety Officer Walter L. Wagner.[8]

[1] wissensnavigator.com/documnets/OTTOROESSLERMINIBLACKHOLE.pdf Abraham-Solution to Schwarzschild Metric Implies That CERN Miniblack Holes Pose a Planetary Risk, Prof. Dr. Otto Rossler (2008)

[2] wissensnavigator.com/documents/spiritualottoeroessler.pdf A Rational and Moral and Spiritual Dilemma - Otto E. Rössler Safety Counter Arguments (2008)

[3] arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0808/0808.1415v1.pdf On the potential catastrophic risk from metastable quantum-black holes produced at particle colliders - Rainer Plaga Rebuttal (2008)

[4] xxx.lanl.gov/abs/gr-qc/0304042 Do black holes radiate?. Dr. Adam Helfer (2003)

[5] arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0607137, On the existence of black hole evaporationyet again, Prof. VA Belinski (2006)

[6] cerncourier.com/cws/article/cern/29199 The case for mini black holes, CERN Courier (2004)

[7] http://www.lhcconcerns.com/LHCConcerns/Forums/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=10 LHC Safety Assessment Group, LHC Safety Procedures, 16 Mar 2008

[8] lhcdefense.org/lhc_legal.php US Federal Lawsuit Filings - Walter L. Wagner (2008)

[9] ingentaconnect.com/content/bpl/risk/2006/00000026/00000001/art00006 Scientific Peer Review to Inform Regulatory Decision Making: A European Perspective (2006)

I'm not saying the science behind what is trying to be accomplished is flawed. I recognize if I am in a position to even argue that issue but this is not my intention. My experience in the science community has taught me that quality and control become extremely difficult to manage as more individuals become involved in a project. Also very intelligent scientists can let important practical matters go unattended not for lack of knowledge but for lack of focus. It's very likely the scientists involved with this project are working diligently to attend to every detail where security issues are concerned. But there are inherit problems due to the sheer size and scope of this project and it is here where my confidence is shaken and my concerns are formed.

Gzus666 could be considered a cynical person but remember the words of G B Shaw "The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who do not have it." I think the key issue in this debate is achieving accurate observation without becoming cynical.

I cant believe this project was given the thumbs up, why are these idiots being paid to put everyone at risk, when they should be using their brains to find a cure for cancer or combat global warming, judging by the amount of energy this machine is about to consume and in years to come, they are just going to add to the global problems we already have. but it doesn't matter what we think they are going to risk us anyway.

I respectfully disagree that my fears are unfounded. The larger the scale and the more people involved the higher likelihood of loss of control. A quantum physicist should recognize this issue. Ten thousand scientists are involved...how many different countries does this involve? I'd like to think this is a great humanitarian effort but from a practical view point I see to great of opportunity for the wrong people to worm their way into the process. and create havic. It is difficult for me to understand how anyone could think a project of this scale is a good idea.