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  • Posted By: Alongwayback @ 09/11/2008 12:32:21 PM

    Obama needs to remind America of each and every scandal and how corrupt this current Republican administration has been. More importantly, show them what the results of each one of the scandals has been as they currently stand. Remind us all of how people were chosen for high positions of power, not by virtue of qualification or tenure, but by how long the president has known them. This alone would point out why hurricane Katrina???s aftermath was more devastating than the actual event itself. Remind America of Harriet Meir, Karl Rove, Jack Abramoff, Scooter Libby, Halli-Burton (which happens to be embroiled in yet another scandal even at this present date), Michael Brown, and the list just goes on and on. Yes, by all means, do what the Republicans fear the very most, expose them for having been the most corrupt administration in the history of this nation, who???s legacy is having run up the highest deficit in the history of this great nation. I think having done this; America will truly begin to view the Palin choice as just another reminder of what the Republicans truly stand for. Not for all of America, only 5% of her??? Remind America where their jobs are now and who allowed that situation to come to pass. Tell America to look deep (although, none of us will have to look far) and ask themselves, ???Are they truly better off now than they were eight years ago????

  • Posted By: Alongwayback @ 09/11/2008 12:31:53 PM

    Republicans should truly be ashamed of themselves for what they do and how they do it. They take from the middle-class and poor, only to give it to the rich and the most undeserved amongst them. Obama truly needs to remind America why we voted their majority out of congress last year and how in response, the remaining Republican puke decided to fight against the American people by stalemating every solution to problems facing us all. They only agreed with a given solution, only if they were allowed to write things into the bills that still gave them the ability to take from the working-poor and middle-class, only to give it to the rich. Obama needs to remind the American public that it is the Republicans who controlled the White House and thus, instituted policies which brought this country to the brink of every looming disaster we now face. How even after being warned what the consequences would be for each given policy, they still pressed them forward in an effort to give corporate America even more profits than it truly deserved, at the expense of the American people. He needs to remind America just who profited from eight years of Bush policies and who has not. Show Americans by the evidence, that the Republican Party only cares about the top 5% of this great nation and could care less about the remaining 95% whom they always seem to manipulate at election time and then disregard after they get the office.

  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 09/10/2008 2:32:05 PM

    is it me or does obama seem to be having one of those moments that fathe phleger showed hilary having ? can't you just see it obama with his chest all puffed out saying look at me i got this !! then all of a sudden HELLO I'M SARAH PALIN !>>>>>>>>> then from obama >>>>>>>>>> no no no this is mine i'm entitled its mine ! i'm entitled!! i'm black !! i went to harvard !! i was a community organizer !! its mine !!

    • Posted By: blade5478 @ 09/10/2008 2:38:20 PM

      Would you be able to point to specific occurrences when Senator Obama has used his ethnicity to demand anything? I would be very curious and interested to read from your sources. Do you think that just because he is identified as African American means that he has a sense of entitlement? Also, yes, Senator Obama was a community organizer at one point in his career. He was also a law professor. Why such focus on his time as a community organizer? And why is going to Harvard a negative? I think you may be injecting emotions and implications of his actions that are not there.

      • Posted By: bdhotwheel @ 09/11/2008 12:31:22 PM

        Obama can say lipstick on a pig and its okay for you Democrats, but if McCain said that a monkey would be a smarter choice for the Democratic candidate then all heck would break loose on the news and McCain would be labeled as a racist.

    • Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 09/10/2008 2:44:01 PM

      You must have the FOX Channel on Lock. McCain is the cat that has tried over and over again to attain the Presidency but as he stated, "I voted with the President (Bush) over 90% of the time, higher than a lot of even my Republican Colleagues."

      John McCain has also said, "I didn't decide to run for President to start a national crusade for the political reforms I believed in or to run campaign as if it was some grand act of patriotism.

      I wanted to be President because it had become my ambition to become President.

      I was 62 yold when I made the decision and I thought it was my one shot at the prize."

      Again I say, McCain just wants the title, not the responsibilities. He's the one that is crying because he can't think rationally like the voters that will vote for him. The same voters that believe Palin is suited for VP even President when McCain falls ill.

      McCain doesn't have the country as his priority. He has a cancer in remission. If he truly believed in Country First he would have said, I'm not suitable to be President in the first place.

      Even if the people had even paid attention to that little aspect, which apparently you did not, you would have chosen a better candidate. But now that I look at it, the Republicans did not have anything to choose from. For that matter they have not had anyone to choose from in the past 30 years. Eisenhower is the last questionable Repub to hold office with any merit.

      • Posted By: bdhotwheel @ 09/11/2008 12:29:19 PM

        The liberal republicans cannot even defend themselves. They are spending all this time trying to crucify Palin that it is making Obama look like a really bad guy. His comments and stuttering on interviews with conservative and independent commentators make G W Bush sound like an Honor Student! And you want Obama as the next President. The leader of Iran will spit in his face if he wants to sit down and "negotiate" with them.

  • Posted By: Cloudosmoke @ 09/11/2008 12:14:23 PM

    Take a moment to remember 9/11.

  • Posted By: bdhotwheel @ 09/11/2008 12:10:03 PM

    Comment: Note to bdhotweel. My Preist is voting for Obama. Catholics value social justice issues as well... Biden is a good Catholic too.

    What a shame. So much for holding up the "moral" standards for the Catholic Church yet alone Jesus Christ!
    I will pray for you and your church that you see the light and do not vote for someone that promotes killing of a fetus, is a sexist, endorses the homosexual agenda, and promoting sexual education rather than abstenance to children in elementary school!

  • Posted By: gvillagran3 @ 09/10/2008 11:18:07 PM

    In 2004 I was in Spain when W. Bush won the election. I would never forget the reaction of the Spaniards around me. It was pure disbelief. They could not understand how a man with such a terrible record could be re-elected in an American Democracy.

    At that moment i realised two things..... The Spaniards actually knew more about American issues than the Americans , and a lot of Americans could not even find Spain in a map.

    It was not Bush's fault that Americans believed Hussein had something to do with 9-11 even after years of every network saying again and again he did not. In the end even the Amasonian tribes , let alone the Spaniards knew Sadam Hussein had nothing to do with 9-11 and that Bush had made the worst strategic blunder in modern American history--- The American voters thought some how he was right and diserbed to be re-elected.

    9-11 was revelation to the political world. Politicians allways knew that voters tend to decide out of personal bias, and little information. But politicians never until 9-11 took American voters for morons. 9-11 forever changed that view. For the first time political operatives like Rove began to grasp the extent of the ignorance of the electorate, hence to what extent it could be manipulated. And manipulate they did. And American politics changed forever.

    Nations do indeed have the leaders they deserve. I don't know if Obama will win or loose, but just to see the race about even tells me clearly we are still as dumb as ever. Something tells me that the Spaniards will have plenty of company wandering what on hearth is wrong with us if we reaward the republicans with 4 years more years afterthe 8 they just gave us.





    • Posted By: TheVigil @ 09/10/2008 11:33:13 PM

      Dumb about culture and international cooperation, maybe.

      But Bush was far from dumb. You and I couldn't get ourselves elected President anytime soon. Shallow-thinking the man maybe be - and I believe he is - but he should never have been underestimated the way he was in both 2000 and in 2004 by the Democratic Party. My mother told me about sitting in Santa Cruz in 2000 with a bunch of old hippies who were laughing, mocking Bush on television, because they didn't think he could be elected. He was, and we have all paid the price. He and his compatriots have very skillfully placed themselves in positions of high power and reaped a tremendous amount of wealth in the process. They are far from stupid.

      Ignorance can be a powerful force. Both Osama bin Laden and George Bush have mobilized the ignorance of the American people to their own benefit in the last eight years. The best hope we have for fighting this in the future is - as the author noted - better education. An educated electorate has some idea of the financial devastation we're heading for without a serious course correction, and understands the flawed economics and geopolitics behind the Iraq War. An educated electorate understands not to blame all Muslims for the actions of a few.

      • Posted By: summer4077 @ 09/11/2008 12:09:55 PM

        You know...I think Bush has been a pretty terrible president but I'm actually starting to feel sorry for him. He was foolish to kick up his feet and let Cheney take control, but I don't think he's a terrible man. I believe he has a good heart but just is not a good leader. He doesn't make good decisions and left it up to people who had ulterior motives. I'm proud to say I never voted for him, but I do think he's getting the heat when it took the mistakes of many to be where we are today. I mean, if Obama or McCain are president, they aren't experts on everything...they have to choose advisors. Bush didn't choose his wisely.

  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 09/11/2008 7:44:03 AM

    This is very interesting! I never thought about it this
    way.
    Perhaps this is why so many physicians are conservatives or
    Republicans.
    Thoughtful Point of View
    the Democrat Party has become the Lawyers' Party.
    Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are lawyers. Bill Clinton
    and Michelle Obama are lawyers. John Edwards, the other
    former Democrat candidate for president, is a lawyer, and so
    is his wife, Elizabeth. Every Democrat nominee since 1984
    went to law school (although Gore did not graduate). Every
    Democrat vice presidential nominee since 1976, except for
    Lloyd Bentsen, went to law school. Look at the
    Democrat Party in Congress: the Majority Leader in each
    house is a lawyer
    The Republican Party is different. President Bush and
    Vice President Cheney were not lawyers, but businessmen.
    The leaders of the Republican Revolution were not lawyers.
    Newt Gingrich was a history professor; Tom Delay was an
    exterminator; and, Dick Armey was an economist. House Minority Leader Boehner was a plastic manufacturer, not lawyer. The former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist is a heart surgeon.
    Who was the last Republican president who was a lawyer?
    Gerald Ford, who left office 31 years ago and who barely won
    the Republican nomination as a sitting president, running
    against Ronald Reagan in 1
    The Republican Party is made up of real people doing real
    work. The Democrat Party is made up of lawyers. Democrats
    mock and scorn men who create wealth, like Bush and Cheney,
    or who heal the sick, like Frist, or who immerse themselves
    in history, like Gingrich.
    The Lawyers' Party sees these sorts of people, who
    pro vide goods and services that people want, as the enemies
    of America. And, so we have seen the procession of official
    enemies, in the eyes of the Lawyers' Party, grow
    against whom do Hillary and Obama rail? Pharmaceutical
    companies, oil companies, hospitals, manufacturers, fast
    food restaurant chains, large retail businesses, bankers,
    and anyone producing anything of value in our nation.
    This is the natural consequence of viewing everything
    through the eyes of lawyers. Lawyers solve problems by
    successfully representing their clients, in this case the
    American people. Lawyers seek to have new laws passed, they
    seek to win lawsuits, they press appellate courts to
    overturn precedent, and lawyers always parse language to
    favor their side.
    CONT;

    • Posted By: Huberc @ 09/11/2008 11:02:36 AM

      You might want to watch the news. There is a BIG scandle that has just broke about the gov offices that grant drilling rights to oil companies. Apparently, they are being given money, sex and drugs to give those rights. The oil companies have alot of money and apparently some pretty women (and who knows probably men too) to bribe these "honest' busnessmen. I would rather have a lawyer who knows what the laws are than an oil man who knows how to bend them.

    • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 09/11/2008 7:44:42 AM

      Confined to the narrow practice of law, that is fine. But
      it is an awful way to govern a great nation. When
      politicians as lawyers begin to view some Americans as
      clients and other Americans as opposing parties, then the
      role of the legal system in our life becomes all consuming.
      Some Americans become 'adverse parties' of our
      very government. We are not all litigants in some vast
      social class-action suit. We are citizens of a republic
      that promises us a great deal of freedom from laws, from
      courts, and from lawyers.

      Today, we are drowning in laws; we are contorted by
      judicial decisions; we are driven to distraction by
      omnipresent lawyers in all parts of our once private lives.
      America has a place for laws and lawyers, but that place is
      modest and reasonable, not vast and unchecked. When the
      most important decision for our next president is whom he
      will appoint to the Supreme Court, the role of lawyers and
      the law in America is too big. When lawyers use criminal
      prosecution as a continuation of politics by other means, as
      happened in the lynching of Scooter Libby and Tom Delay,
      then the power of lawyers in America is too great. When
      House Democrats sue America in order to hamstring our
      efforts to learn what our enemies are planning to do to us,
      then the role of litigation in America has become crushing.
      We cannot expect the Lawyers' Party to provide real
      change, real reform, or real hope in America Most
      Americans know that a republic in which every major
      government action must be blessed by nine unelected judges
      is not what Washington intended in 1789. Most Americans
      grasp that we cannot fight a war when ACLU lawsuits snap at
      the heels of our defenders. Most Americans intuit that
      more lawyers and judges will not restore declining moral
      values or spark the spirit of enterprise in our economy.
      Perhaps Americans will understand that change cannot be
      brought to our nation by those lawyers who already largely
      dictate American society and business.
      Perhaps Americans will see that hope does not come from the mouths of lawyers but from personal dreams nourished by hard
      work.
      Perhaps Americans will embrace the truth that more lawyers
      with more power will only make our problems worse.

  • Posted By: Huberc @ 09/11/2008 10:54:29 AM

    Note to bdhotweel. My Preist is voting for Obama. Catholics value social justice issues as well... Biden is a good Catholic too.

  • Posted By: bdhotwheel @ 09/10/2008 3:57:09 PM

    Comment: er Your Comment
    Thank you! I am a prof catholic female voter for Obama too. I am voting for someone that I believe can make this country stronger economically and politically.... not who shares my gender, or color, or ethnic origin, or crede.

    You must not be Catholic if you are for abortion then. How can you vote for a man that said in his interview with strong conviction that it is above his pay grade to answer a question on abortion. This man is totally confused and says one thing one day then another thing the next day. He said that he Believes in Jesus and hopes that he will be forgiven for his sins....brother if he claims to be a Christian and has accepted Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior he should know that he is forgiven. This goes to show that Reverend Wright and his church did not teach him the Bible and that he is lost!

    • Posted By: Huberc @ 09/10/2008 4:08:49 PM

      I am a catholic but I live in America. America is a democracy and not a theocracy. I can no more impose my beliefs on others than they can impose them on me. I know many christians who do not believe the soul is present at conception. I have friends who are athiests who don't believe we even have a soul. They have the right to believe as they choose.... that is a fundamental right of all Americans. No one can prove when "life" begins or when or if a soul enters the body. That is a matter of theology. I do not believe government should ever pay for an abortion and I believe we as a society should do everything we can to make abortions very rare by going after the reasons women seek abortions to begin with. No woman is happy and excited to get an abortion. For most it is a very painful decision. But to be clear about this argument.... If Roe V Wade is overturned, it does not make abortion illegal, it only moves it to the states to decide and some will make it always legal, others always illegal and the rest will be somewhere in the middle. Personally, I struggle with this issue even as a Catholic. I have had four early misscarriages. However, I don't think I have 4 ghost children in heaven somewhere. I believe this is between you and your own conscience and your God.

      • Posted By: bdhotwheel @ 09/10/2008 4:16:43 PM

        Then you must be a carnal Christian. God does not want us to sit on our hands and let liberal nonbeliever thinking run this country amuck. It is sad that you could justify an abortion when there are people out there waiting to adopt. If you struggle with the issue of abortion and you want to call yourself a Catholic just because you go to church and listen to the priest talk then you should just label yourself as a feel good tickle my ear Catholic. Christians read the Bible and constantly get fed the word and know that abortion is wrong. There is nothing confusing about that. But you must be Confused about Catholic religion also because it still seems as though you are not convicted. Catholics who believe in the Bible and Christ know that Jesus does not condone killing at all!

        • Posted By: Huberc @ 09/10/2008 4:39:13 PM

          Enter Your Comment
          There is no mention of abortion in the Bible to my knowledge. How can I tell a fellow American... a country that guarantees freedom of religion and seperation of church and state.... that my belief suppercedes theres? That they have to do what I say, whether they believe it or not ...That would make this country a Christian version of Iran.

          • Posted By: bdhotwheel @ 09/10/2008 4:47:37 PM

            Never mind. I guess you're okay with the liberal agenda then! See if your priest is voting for Obama!

            • Posted By: Huberc @ 09/11/2008 10:49:37 AM

              My Preist is voting for Obama! He is a solid democrat as am I. It's not a liberal agenda,... its a social justice agenda. The catholics care about the poor.

      • Posted By: totylanica @ 09/10/2008 4:51:33 PM

        I am a Catholic too, also a woman, also latin. I would never have an abortion and I wouldn't like for my daughter to have one either. But I'am no one to decide on the lives of other women who deserve to make a choice in their lives. God created us to have a free mind and it is within our innerselves and our conscience what we wat we decide to do.

      • Posted By: bdhotwheel @ 09/10/2008 4:21:00 PM

        One more thing, Alot of the Jews and Pharasis thought Jesus was a herotic. It seems as though your faith is not as strong, so you give into the world and it's ideals. Crack open a Bible and see what it says before you claim to have two feet into your religion. There is no middle ground with God and the Word.

        • Posted By: Huberc @ 09/10/2008 4:35:18 PM

          That is exaclty how Islamic Jihadist view the world and why they are content to blow themselve up and take innocent people with them They are right, all others are wrong and they believe the are assured of heaven. Jesus teaches tolerance and love. He does not want us to force other people to follow him against their wills. I have read the bible both in church and in college. I read the bible as a theological tract, as an historical document and as a reflection of God's intent. Keep in mind the bible, in the catholic faith, is inspired by God, but reflects the culture and historical circumstance of those who wrote it. The Bible has many interpretations, witness the over 140 Christian denominations, not to mention Jews and Moslems who hold to at least the old testament. Which interpretation of the bible is correct? I personally prefer to err on the side of Jesus' teachings on kindness, forgiveness and love. My God is not a God of hate... in the end I believe we all have to answer for our own lives. But that is what I believe and not what you have to.

          • Posted By: bdhotwheel @ 09/10/2008 4:45:08 PM

            The Catholic Bible actually incorporates tradition that is against the original Bible. Jesus did profess love and he also professed obedience to God and to stand up for what is right! He told the Pharasis that their laws did not apply and that Gods law is the ultimate. The true destination is heaven and we will be judged by our works here on earth. Like I said, we can't sit on our hands because slowly this country will fall from the graces of God and he will be disappointed in us "Christians" that we did not promote him and give glory to Him.

  • Posted By: Hollyu123 @ 09/11/2008 10:25:22 AM

    How about the media reporting info that HAS NOT BEEN VERIFIED - The media has no credibility anymore. The lies and the myths that we read each day along with the truths are why we are frustrated and confused. How are we the people supposed to make wise decisions when the MEDIA IS BIASED and cannot be trusted anymore.

  • Posted By: SAGG @ 09/11/2008 10:13:27 AM

    It's not about the stupidity of most of the electorate. It's about the willfull ignorance of them. Most of them are NOT fools. They're just ignoring the reality of what's going on in the country economically, hoping that things will get better, and that we can ride this "slump" out, and things will get better, like it always has in the past. The problem with that is, this time, something's different. I can't quite put my finger on it, but I see things easily getting worse in this country, and I don't care if any of you think I'm being a pessimist or a doomsayer. I think I'm being a realist.

  • Posted By: cferns1530 @ 09/11/2008 8:53:18 AM

    the ignorance of americans is all that's necessary to win an election.

  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 09/10/2008 2:23:42 PM

    In Search of Rational Voters
    Do such creatures exist? How can we mint more of them?
    yes they do sarah palin has 5 i've got 6 and so many other families that are just average have those rational voters and yes we are minting them !

    • Posted By: mkroman @ 09/10/2008 2:31:01 PM

      too bad Sarah Palin isn't running for President. What is it with you people thinking that some awe-schucks average-joe should have a shot at running this nation? Most educated nations elect the best and brightest.

      Lets call it what it is: Reverse Elitism- the idea that somehow you are superior based upon your total acceptance of being nothing more than average.

      • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 09/10/2008 2:34:55 PM

        i've read your posts your nothing special but you got what obama got a big head and not much more !

        • Posted By: bear8675 @ 09/10/2008 6:29:43 PM

          And this is why we are in the mess we are in. Why is it elitist to elect sopmeone who has studied the law and is qualified for the job? Why would we elect the guy we want to have a beer with? Again, is this how you would pick your doctor? Or your child's doctor? No, you would pick the smartest person with the best ideas and the steadiest hands. W is a c student who ran several companies intot he ground before he did the same to this country. And now we are having the same argument all over again. Why is it people who are suffering so much economically are willing to vote for a ticket that is promising the EXACT SAME policies? I don't understand!

          • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 09/11/2008 7:40:14 AM

            I'M NOT SUFFERING ! I MAKE MY OWN CHOICES AND LIVE WITH THEM .. I DON'T EXPECT THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO MAKE MY HOUSE PAYMENT BECAUSE I WAS TO DUMB TO READ A CONTRACT AND KNOW WHAT A - A.R.M. IS I DON'T EXPECT THE GOVERMENT TO PAY FOR MEDICAL EXPENSES THAT MY FAMILY CAN AND WILL INCURE AND I DON'T LIKE MY GOVERMENT TO TELL ME THAT IF I WORK HARD (AND I DID ) AND MAKE SOMETHING OUT OF MYSELF THAT I NEED TO HELP THE 2 PACK DAY SMOKER WHO CAN'T HOLD A JOB BECAUSE HE LIKES HIS BEER IN THE EVENING AND THEN HAS MEDICAL PROBLEMS EARLY IN LIFE AND CRIES HELP ME ! WHAT I DO EXPECT IS MY TAX MONEY TO BE SPENT IN A GOOD WAY LIKE KEEPING US SAFE FROM TERRORIST AND HELPING OUR VETS THAT HAVE GIVIN SO MUCH FOR THE COUNTRY ! INSTEAD OF THE DIM WITS THAT CAN'T KEEP THIER SEX DRIVE IN CHECK AND LOOK FOR EVERYONE ELSE TO RAISE THE KIDS !

  • Posted By: aRTy54 @ 09/11/2008 4:24:42 AM

    The problem with our system today is the lack of statesmen(women) in politics. None of these people have plans that they can elaborate on .... they have agendas prepared for them by special interests. Corparate America or Leftist extremests, it matters not. They will suck the American tax coffers and sell the American economy to the foreign investors, all for the ability to spend it "their way." They are no different from each other. They all want the ability/power to spend our money in the method in which they see fit.

    We need a common person, one that has lived and struggled for his or her own success to lead this country. Someone who has lived with his wages stolen by governments of all sizes every two weeks. Who has to borrow money to his eyeballs to live in a decent house. Someone who reminds themselves every morning "its the economy stupid" before all else. He or she must place our own people before others, our health, our education and our physical and economic security. Someone that will persue our enemies that do us harm with all the ruthlessness that our might can muster; until they are dead, and their efforts are no more. They must be compassionate and generous with aide but wary of profiteers and corruption that derails our efforts at succor. Retribution will be swift and final. Someone who cherishes the indiviuals' freedom to act in protection and safety of each of us and our families. Justice must be fully funded.
    Does this person exist?? Yes, we just haven't found the yet. These four yaahoos aren't them. We really should get to vote "NONE OF THE ABOVE," and start over.

    • Posted By: tinaweha @ 09/11/2008 5:49:42 AM

      I agree with you .

      • Posted By: RFlorida @ 09/11/2008 7:39:53 AM

        As long as it cost 400 to 500 million to get a job that pays $400,000 a year special interest groups that can profit from their investment will keep funding the polititians. This year may be the closest we have ever come in my 6o some years to having a choice of a possible statesman for a canidate. His campaign is mostly financed by the general public instead of PACs and for that reason alone he is worth taking a chance on. I may not agree with all of his positions and i know he is no saint but he is mostly bought and paid for by the general public. Obama 08

  • Posted By: Underground Sanity @ 09/11/2008 6:52:41 AM

    A couple of comments. First, the collective decision of the electorate is a bit like computers, where the principle of "garbage in - garbage out" applies. The quality of the information they are fed influences the quality of the decisions they make. Second, there is a flaw in the analogy to a jury. A jury is somewhat protected by a judge that rules on the admissibility of information submitted. If the information is completely groundless, irrelevant or unreasonably inflammatory [calculated to incite more thyan inform] the judge keeps it out. In the political system, the fourth estate [press/media] is supposed to perform that function. However, in the past 6 years or more the media has abdicated that role. Patently false and unfounded stories and smear tactics have been broadcast as if they were valid news, without critical fact checking or corroboration prior to broadcast.

  • Posted By: TheVigil @ 09/10/2008 11:07:41 PM

    Wow.

    Newsweek is usually pretty bland with the editorializing. Not this time.

    "None of this is to say that anyone who voted for George Bush in 2004 was a fool. But anyone who voted for him on the grounds that he had dethroned an international terrorist was, if not exactly a fool, at least badly fooled."

    The author notes that politicians rarely can insult the electorate and get away with it, and the same applies to journalists in terms of speaking uncomfortable truths, who have to avoid alienating their readership or go out of business. Kudos to the author for having the strength and the guys to say this in a national newsmagazine. That takes some big brass balls. I applaud it.

    • Posted By: ferelise1144 @ 09/11/2008 3:49:14 AM

      You, Vigil, and the author seems to have forgotten the role the media played in selling the Iraq War. Where were their voices in 2003 and why didn't they do their jobs and ask questions? They were more than happy to embed their reporters, talk about "Shock and Awe", Iraqi Freedom, how the best seat in town was a Rumsfeld press conference, ride in tanks or Humvee and increase the Nielsen Ratings.

      <b>Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty.
      Thomas Jefferson </b>

      The press and media have failed to inform and, in the day of constant Internet access and twenty four hour cable news channels, we are less informed (or misinformed). They have failed miserably to vett Barack Obama and,in the case of one cable news channels, have actively campaigned for his election. They have participated in false charges of racism against a distinguished former president and First Lady who is a sitting senator from NY. They have allowed and participated in sexist remarks against her and her supporters. They have created the myth of the "low information" voters and those same voters have been the most informed and politically active group of people in this country.

      This post and your comments are insufferably pompous and condescending, just like Mr. Obama.

  • Posted By: SteveKelson @ 09/11/2008 3:22:07 AM

    Hillary Clinton, by her current absence, is causing serious harm to this country. Where is she and why she hasn't come to the rescue. The fact is, both her and Bill could be countering this outright insane, American Idol mentality, with some statesman like responses. This is the most important election in modern history and it's become a circus. It's a Superbowl competition mentality...and people aren't doing their research

    People would likely listen to The Clintons; I assume even this 20% of obviously 'uneducated on the issues' crowd who have jumped from an attacked ship, right into the oil spill that has become the McCain campaign. McCain/Palin stray from the truth on a daily basis on the campaign trail. Let's just be brutally honest: They are lying straight into the faces of their new adoring fans. I'm going to bet the ones lapping up their lies, don't know the difference between a Filibuster and a HungerBuster.

    Oil spills do catch fire. They also produce the most awful, searing, palinful and deeply scarring injuries immaginable. Yesterday, Dana Perino was busy issuing another terrorist alert of current "plotting and planning" to attack us. Why can't people see through these GOP tactics? This isn't their first dirty rodeo.

    Hillary Clinton needs to immediately grab a hose and Bill Clinton needs to man the equivalent of an abandoned 30 caliber and blast away about John McCains perverted grasp of the truth, before he sinks America ....becoming the next USS "Arizona disaster"

  • Posted By: alexblack @ 09/11/2008 2:50:41 AM

    Duh, there was too many big wurds in yur aritkle. I din't understand it. Is you be saying dat us voters don't know enuf about pulitic.... pulitikul... I mean pulitikol stuff? Well, yur rong. I watch TV I know that Obama will give me stuff for free - money, and he'll let me see a doktor and make sumbody else pay. I like that. I'm edukated enuf.

  • Posted By: besharpone @ 09/11/2008 2:11:41 AM

    Talk about rational voters!!! That is an oximoron. Just read some of the comments here as proof.

  • Posted By: mdalerwill @ 09/10/2008 8:00:26 PM

    After reading all the the posts on this article, I must admit I'm disheartened on the topic of rational voters. Many posts seem so inflamatory that I can only hope they are trying to enrage people and only mean half of what they say. Tossing around phrases like "One Nation Under God" and "true American" and making heated suggestions that those who disagree should move to another country is a slippery slope. Even those who have not loaded their posts with such emotionally-charged language have, in many cases, fallen prey to the temptation to insult the opposition's intelligence. To these I would say, what are you trying to do? Convince others to see things your way by denegrating them? Does that really work? It just makes me cringe, coming from either side. If you want a rational voter, you've got to be a rational voter, no matter how strongly you hold your beliefs. Ranting and spewing hatred may feel good in the short term, but it's damaging to the political process. It sets a bad example for the country, and it makes us look ridiculous in the world community.

    • Posted By: namarado @ 09/11/2008 1:50:54 AM

      Straight up, I am a retired blue collar worker from a so called "right-to-work-state" where we never could have the benefit of a union. Since my Social Security is based on my earnings which were never all that much, I am now living on $1,200 a month. And I guess I am better off than most. So you know that I am a Democrat. Please don't talk about how I should have saved something, I worked for a bit over minimum wage, for most of my life, but I put in lots of overtime. On the other hand, a bit over minimum wage at time and a half still isn't much. I was in the Marine Corps for three years and in the Air Force for four and a half years. So you can know about my history, I got a six month extension in the Air Force because of the East Germans deciding to build the Berlin wall. I recall the mess the Republicans were in when they nominated another Arizona Senator, namely Barry Goldwater. I remember that convention when the cameras focused on the convention floor and the delegates looked as though they were the most mean spirited folks I had ever seen in one place. What happened then is that the Republican party just said let the right wing have their day. The big slogan was "In your heart you know he's right." (Sort of like with Palin, don't substitute science when you can fall back on mythology.) So the right wing had their day and lost. Thanks to little Bush, the Republicans are having another fling with disaster. I hear that John McCain is a really great man, but his campaign seems to promote a petty person, and his pictures show a person who appears to be arrogant and smug. That is my take on most politicians, Democrat and/or Republican. I figure that if McCain gets elected folks like me will at best be no better off, and most likely we will be be worse off. If Obama wins, I don't know if will he have the ability to make the changes that he talks about. The US loves to give a Democrat President a Republican congress, I guess to ensure that the Democrats can't do anything. I am so very disappointed at the mess the US Electorate has put this country in. A lot of folks want to blame Bush, but the facts are that there was never anything in George Bush's background to lead one to a conclusion that he would be effective as President. When the electorate votes with out thinking of the consequences, (I guess because most voters are to lazy to look at the candidates,) then we get what we deserve. It will be the same this year. As was well said so many years ago, when I look to identify the enemy I see that the enemy is us.

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