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  • Posted By: lincoln goldwater @ 09/13/2008 2:35:23 PM

    Alter's message: black=victim. poor= helpless. White= superior.
    i.e Poor, helpless, black victims will be disenfranchised by superior whites who, given the same voting requirements will no doubt out perform blacks. -Every generation of black Americans was more successful than the previous one until the 60's and the introduction of the "Great Society" Think about it.

    • Posted By: AKAChip @ 09/13/2008 4:56:12 PM

      That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. More African Americans are college educated, are middle class or better, own homes, have investments in the stock market and live in any community the choose and can afford than ever before. It always amazes me when 'others' purport to speak for me as if they know what it is like to be African American in the U. S. of A. How patronizing and insulting can you be?

      • Posted By: jblackwell88 @ 09/14/2008 2:19:35 AM

        So do you support Alter's analysis or lincoln goldwater? Your evidence seems to make Alter the liar and lincoln spot-on. If lincoln goldwater is the liar, then you would agree with Alter that the GOP is actually trying to disenfranchise blacks? More eternal victimhood? Are you validating lincoln's assessment?

    • Posted By: AKAChip @ 09/13/2008 4:50:20 PM

      That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. More African americans are college educated, are middle class or better, own homes, have investments in the stock market than ever before. It always amazes me when 'others' speak for African Americans as if they know what it is like to be one in the U.S. of A. How insulting and patronizing can you be?

  • Posted By: Payne23 @ 09/14/2008 2:14:54 AM

    Dad gum I'm going to hell for being a democrat who would have thunk it. I don't believe Jesus would have since he preached many of the same ideals as many, since FDR, democrats now do. Yet for me to claim democrats have some sort of historical monopoly on whats true and right would be false. Just as it is false for republicans, but they never let the truth get in the way of making a point, at least not since Ike. Furthermore why does everyone who disagrees have to be stupid. The facts are the facts; we can't just make them up. Although Fox news has made a nice profit from this practice. As for intimidation, how about being a law-abiding black man,ID in hand, and being told you can,t vote because your name is similar to a felon. That is intimidation and it has happened two elections in a row. As for going to prison for it I believe David Dukes and his minions were very intimidating in the south in the 70's and 80's but they weren't elected and they didn't go to prison, and they really didn't want anyone to vote for a democrat as their finer points of debate suggested, namely billy-clubs, chains, ropes, and just general harrasment from their buddies in law enforcement. But this wasn't intimidation and noone went to jail for it at least no one elected.

  • Posted By: rick50 @ 09/13/2008 10:48:01 PM

    Good grief! Is originality among liberals finally extinct? Year after year, the same old refrain. With no supporting evidence EVER found. Where is the Republican who went to prison for intimidating voters? Where? Nowhere, because one never has. Lies, lies, lies. Hell is full of Democrats but don't worry there's room for all of them!

    • Posted By: chiwillie @ 09/13/2008 11:06:11 PM

      The charge stops when the racism stops. You'll stop hearing about republican hostility to African Americans when republicans stop their hostility to African Americans.

      • Posted By: jblackwell88 @ 09/14/2008 2:00:39 AM

        So as long as there are racists in the USA, you will accuse the GOP of voter fraud, irrespective of any evidence. Gotcha.

      • Posted By: BriannaReese @ 09/13/2008 11:20:34 PM

        Funny thing. I figure you'll go to Hell before I will... I follow the Word of Jesus, and I am appalled by Republicans' convoluted interpretations of His Words. Furthermore, I forgive you for your terrible trespasses as Jesus requires me to do. I'll pray for your soul, and, God willing, we will get rid of the War mongers and strive to live in peace in the world. I'm an Independent woman voter, and I'll pray every day that God will help Obama and guide him in his presidency. But I have no idea what God would do with such Pretenders that flood churches and preach on street corners and televisions and in crystal chapels. Jesus preached against such people, and Jesus forgave those who crucified him. God Bless Barack Obama for his courage and truthfulness. God save those that advocate War in His name and feel as if they are chosen ones. Again, I'll pray for your soul.

    • Posted By: chiwillie @ 09/13/2008 10:57:10 PM

      Lee Atwater and Ken Mehlman both admitted it. Delude yourself all you want. The track record speaks for itself.

  • Posted By: jblackwell88 @ 09/14/2008 1:51:36 AM

    I don't see how the Democrats can accuse Republicans of fraud and then prescribe a system that ENABLES fraud....

    We all know what this is about. The Dems need that extra 1%, and where they can't manufacture it out of legal immigrants, they'll shore it up with illegal ones. Who in their right mind would agitate for a voting system where you couldn't even validate who was voting? Are we headed for a system, where like the Democratic primary, we have elections by acclamation?

  • Posted By: jblackwell88 @ 09/14/2008 1:46:21 AM

    You can get a state ID card without having to DRIVE. If you can't be minimally BOTHERED to get an ID for yourself then you have no business participating in a modern democracy in the first place. The Democrats would have to be INSANE to agitate for a condition whereby people ( including illegal aliens ) can vote ( multiple times ). The Dems need to re-adjust their election strategy if they can't win a plurality of legal votes. What do they want, a dye-your-finger-purple system like in Zimbabwe?

  • Posted By: BushCheney08 @ 09/13/2008 9:00:12 PM

    Chiwillie:
    Give me a break. States rights' is not an issue. We are a democratic republic. Every state has sovereignty to issues not covered by Federal government or allowed to by federal government. So being a republic is "stealing an election'?
    Reagan saying "welfare queen" has anything to do with black women. Queen now has nothing to do with race. Thou protesting too much. Welfare queen can be of any race. Sound a little defensive.
    Willie Horton ad. Now a criminal cant be the color he is. So any criminal cannot have a mug shot. It might offend someone feelings and they might get hurt. Willie Horton raped and killed a woman. Yeah that is the issue. Allowing someone off parole to commit crimes. Republicans are equally tough on all criminals regardless of race.
    Jesse Helms "white hands". Affirmitive action does cannot be debated without color. Your whole premise of affirmirtive action is racism. Giving someone preferrential treatment based on skin color is institutional racism and dems dont want a debate on it. Just say you are racist if you question affirmitive action.
    Harold Ford had gone to Playboy mansion as sitting Congressman. So the RNC makes a spoof of a Playboy Bunny saying "call me". How many times has a Republican got buried for percieved sexual indescritions. So bringing up a Ford as sitting Congressman go to the Playbooy mansion cant be an issue.
    Catherine Harris as like any Secretary of State does regular purges of voter rolls of people who aren't eligible to vote. Felons on parole, noncitizens dont deserve to vote and should be purged.
    Just more jive coming from the DNC. Oh crap I said "jive" It must have racial overtones.

    • Posted By: chiwillie @ 09/13/2008 10:07:26 PM

      If you were at all aware of history, you would know that southern states argued states rights in order to maintain institutional racism and segregation. The Civil War was fought in large part over the southern states' rights to keep black people as slaves. They resented federal involvement in enforcing constitutionally guaranteed rights. When Reagan spoke against so-called "welfare queens", he knew that American magazine covers put a black face on the cover of any issue dealing with welfare over 75% of the time even though blacks were 35% of welfare recipients. Bush clearly played to racism with the Willie Horton ad. Jesse Helms used that white hands ad because he was losing to Harvey Gantt, a black man. The RNC knew full well that putting a white girl in a sexually provocative position regarding a black man would be a useful tool in Tennessee. Katherine Harris purged anyone whose name was similar to that of a felon. You don't have to take my word for it. Take it from republicans. Both Lee Atwater and Ken Mehlman admitted it. Face it. The record is clear. I'm not saying that republicans are racist, but ever since Lyndon Johnson signed the Voting Rights Act, the republican party has held out the welcome mat for racists. Telling stupid people who to hate, who to fear and who to look down on is a standard and important part of the republican campaign play book. Particularly this year, when the republican record is so barren of accomplishment, they will kick up the hate machine into high gear. You are simply too blind to see the obvious.

      • Posted By: BriannaReese @ 09/13/2008 11:45:31 PM

        Hey, Willie??? I agree with you completely, but you???re preaching to people who feel completely justified in what they are doing. These people in here know exactly what they are doing. It???s like ???Onward Christian Soldiers.??? It???s like back when people in the dark ages used religion to control people, and it???s happening in our country now. Do you really think Palin could lie like she does if she didn???t think it was part of God???s Plan? Hopefully there???s enough true Christians left to overcome this debacle. Maybe I am deluded and these people who perform these acts against humanity aren???t Christians at all??? It was said of Palin that the Ten Commandments rule her life. It???s impossible with her behavior.
        Save your breath and simply help make sure that your American neighbor fulfills the requirements to help him or her vote. Don???t bang your head on these brick walls.

        • Posted By: BriannaReese @ 09/13/2008 11:47:04 PM

          Wow... Disregard all those question marks.

  • Posted By: rube @ 09/12/2008 6:35:39 PM

    Socialize the lose...
    The GOP instituted no oversight into the American mortgage industry during Bush???s terms- hence subprime collapse! Mortgage industry goes in debt, banks defualt and go under.
    Who pays for this criminal negligence? The American people of course. Meanwhile the federal deficit soars out of control yet the Government pays the corporations for their losses!
    Meantime whose money will be used to balance out the federal deficit the
    Gov has created! Ours!
    Socialize the loss, that???s the GOP way!

    Privatize the gains (our national equity)

    The Iraq war- Halliburton and other companies bilk billions on no bid contracts to do the work that the military should be doing! What else does the GOP privatize- the prison industry has become a huge source of revenue for private business as the government keeps outsourcing the penal industry even though we have paid them to control the system!
    We as tax payer???s loss twice in this equation- once for the government to run our prisons and twice to the outsourced company!

    The GOP want to privatize our social security- you will never see a penny of your money again if this happens! They want to privatize our national parks!
    They also privatize the wealth that comes from federal and state lands- the people???s land!

    The land that oil companies drill on for the most part belongs to all of us-its federal and state land.
    We pay the taxes for its upkeep etc. yet big business uses our land, drills for oil and charges us money for such a resource even though we the people own it!!

    Privatize our national wealth!
    This hideous fleecing of our national equity and of our taxes must stop!
    Obama/Biden
    Four more years of losers running the country- no thanks!

    • Posted By: RetiredMarine @ 09/13/2008 11:16:29 PM

      By the way, we the people also own the water, natural gas and other resources on our lands but aren't we paying for that???? The resources are there but without the people who know how to make it work for us isn't it useless? Oh, I get it... you simply want hand outs.

    • Posted By: RetiredMarine @ 09/13/2008 11:14:50 PM

      Maybe you should educate yourself a little better rube before showing us how ignorant you really are. First off, Some of these companies did get big contracts and did send americans over to so what the military could have been doing. Now lets examine why this is.... Your democrat in office before Bush bastardized the military to the point of breaking. Maybe if the military wasn't weakened by prior policies, there could have been enough people to handle the job. Maybe if bleeding hearts didn't fight to keep their sons and daughters out of the military, there would be a big enough military to handle the job. Fact is that this wasn't the case. Many prior service military and retirees answered the call because too many of todays Americans have a sense of entitlement and do nothing to serve their country. Instead of criticizing, you should be greatful for those willing to serve where you and many others are too cowardly to do so.

      Second, Social security was brought in by democrats. It was promised never to be touched by congress for anything other than social security. Then democrats in office lied about that and abused the people's trust. Social Security is so screwed up because congressmen took the money for other projects - now we the people are paying for their mistakes. If you were to examine what Bush was trying to do, he was going to allow you and I to keep 4 percent to invest. If you knew anything, you would be able to calculate that out. If put in a growth stock mutual fund, you would earn more from that 4 percent than you will EVER receive from what the government pays out in social security now. You bitch and moan about things but fight at every turn against things that will help.

    • Posted By: USA_love_her_or_move_to_Iran @ 09/12/2008 7:48:29 PM

      Excuse me sir, who's votes for these corporate rescues? Isn't it Congress? And isn't Congress controlled by the Democratic party (i.e. Bela Pelosi, Ted 'have another' Kennedy, et al)?

  • Posted By: JohnPolitico @ 09/13/2008 12:29:28 AM

    Is this article for real? What's wrong with insuring that people that vote are actually citizens?? I don't get it.

    • Posted By: republicans suck @ 09/13/2008 10:38:20 AM

      You need to learn how to spell.

      Obviously you've never been short on cash or had to work two or three jobs at a time. Ever read 'Nickel & Dimed'? Maybe you should. It's this attitude that's hurting the country.

      • Posted By: RetiredMarine @ 09/13/2008 11:05:22 PM

        Actually it is weak minded SELL OUTS like you who throw our country into the toilet that is hurting the country. Your type doesn't care one bit about what is good for the country, if you did - you wouldn't be thinking socialism is the cure, esp since it hasn't been very successful for other countries.

  • Posted By: andinovick @ 09/13/2008 11:03:32 PM

    What Alter describes is only the beginning of Jim Crow disenfranchisement. Because Americans still live in segregated communities it is not difficult to identify the neighborhoods to target. Software-driven optical scanners and DREs, used everywhere except NY, have been proven to be mutable without detection. Bob Ney's Help America Vote Act gives us what has always been intended: high tech Jim Crow. Andrea Novick, Esq.
    Rhinebeck, New York

  • Posted By: Maria Lopez @ 09/13/2008 2:06:09 AM

    After seeing the non-diverse faces at the GOP convention, it is little wonder to me that they'd be working hard to keep Black folks away from the polls. As the nation grows more diverse, the GOP becomes less and less.The GOP are a out of touch and small-minded party that wants bring America back to the 1800s.

    • Posted By: republicans suck @ 09/13/2008 10:37:02 AM

      You are right! GOP members are small minded.

      GOP = racist, money-hungry, big-business loving, ignorant religious extremists. I don't know how they can live with themselves.

      • Posted By: RetiredMarine @ 09/13/2008 11:03:10 PM

        Funny..... how much money has Obama spent so far? Where did his money come from? All these democrats who are hounding about GOP's being wealthy? Lets see... isn't John Kerry married into the Heinz family? Arnold into the Kennedy's, Al Gore spends how much to heat his mansions? the list goes on and on. Sure doesn't sound like "poor, down to earth, know how the average american feels" type of people to me. Yet they try to make you think the GOP are rich??? What a load of crap!

        Elitist or extreme GOP's? You may want to start looking in the party mirror before throwing those words out there....

  • Posted By: MDDave @ 09/13/2008 10:14:58 PM

    Sorry Chiwille, those were Democrats underneath those sheets

    • Posted By: chiwillie @ 09/13/2008 10:56:05 PM

      Up until about 1965 when they moved to a republican neighborhood more welcoming of their racism.

  • Posted By: MDDave @ 09/13/2008 10:04:56 PM

    Puhleeze. Another fear mongering ideologically twisted piece by Mr. Alter. The left wrote the book on voter fraud in American cities and - oh, guess who runs those? It ain't the Republicans. Those 103% urban voter turn outs and "street money" do amazing things for Democratic Party candidates. In reality, it has nothing to do with race - only ensuring the vote is lawful and valid, although this article is clearly designed to stir up the masses.

  • Posted By: JanC @ 09/13/2008 9:53:39 PM

    At least one country I know of requires that a voter present their National ID card in order to cast a ballot. We could do that..... but how would that be different than a DL or PP? In these days since 9-11 everyone should have a government ID card and why should the poor and maybe African-American be a special case that doesn't need them... isn't that forcing them to be a 2nd class?

  • Posted By: Dam Tired Of This @ 09/13/2008 9:23:29 PM

    That'st the funniest thing I've ever read!! These laws have been in place for several YEARS now.........plenty of time for anyone to come up with a state ID and get registered to vote.

    Must be a slow news day!

  • Posted By: jmario @ 09/13/2008 12:14:46 PM


    So requiring photo ID to purchase alcohol is racist, by this argument. Isn't casting a voting a little more important than being able to purchase a beer? Shouldn't it require a little bit of effort? Like, say, "catching a ride" if need be?

    This is the ugliest, most slanted article I've ever read in Newsweek, and that's saying something.

    • Posted By: Debster52 @ 09/13/2008 12:21:07 PM

      You need a driver's license to buy alcohol becuase of the AGE restrictions. There is no rampant voter fraud problem. We shouldn't be making it harder for elderly and poor people to vote. It's' not racism: they just know that most African Americans vote Democratic. If they voted Republican, they'd be making it easier to vote. Voting is a right, not a privilege.

      • Posted By: Tuathe @ 09/13/2008 9:19:02 PM

        This problem of voter ID could be solved so simply. No need to show a drivers licence or SS # or anything so mundane. It can all be done through your voter registration card. Instead of the paper card that gets to look like a tattered rag from being hidden in your wallet, it would look similar to a credit card and have the swipe on the back. You enter the voting site, go to the registrar table give your name. The registrar looks up your name, checks you off and pulls out a card that looks similar to your voter registration card, except it says vote record for voter "Jane or John Doe". Both of you go to the voting machine - you put your card in a slot that reads your card and the registrar puts the matching card into the side of the voting machine, which also reads the card. Both cards must match, and both cards must have the name of the voter in question on it. You vote, and verify that your choices are correct. The vote is recorded on both cards. Your card is returned to you just like your bank card is returned. The registrar card slides through to a holding area until all votes have be recorded. At the end of the day, a voting regulator who have a key unlocks the box and removes all the cards and returns them to the voting registration office and the clerk refile the cards.

        The voting machines need to be sophisticated enough to print out a summary at the end of all votes recorded. End of problems for need of an id, end of inside voter fraud.

      • Posted By: RetiredMarine @ 09/13/2008 6:45:01 PM

        That was the most ignorant, uneducated, stupid, (etc... etc..) response possible. What makes you think democrats have ever made it easy for people to vote? Yet you want to twist things around.

        Dont you think voting is just a little more important than age requirements for alcohol? If we are forcing ID for alcohol, how much more important should it be to make voting a tougher requirement of proof of ID? Maybe you should just put down the bottle before you post

  • Posted By: chiwillie @ 09/13/2008 8:17:52 PM

    Nixon's states rights campaign, Reagan announcing his campaign in Philadelphia, MS, Reagan's welfare queen, George HW Bush's Willie Horton ad, Jesse Helms' "white hands" ad, the RNC's "call me" ad against Harold Ford, Catherine Harris' purging of law abiding citizens from Florida voting rolls and now this. Is there any wonder that the number of black people at the republican convention wouldn't fill a phone booth? The hatred and disenfranchisement of America's black citizens is an unwritten, but essential component of the republican platform. For all their evangelical piety, a special room in hell awaits them.

    • Posted By: thehappyamerican @ 09/13/2008 9:16:27 PM

      The Willy Horton ads could be re-run and be damaging to the Obama/Biden ticket! October suprize II as the conditions by which Horton was a violent criminal released to commit MORE crime were Bidens' master work!
      He did not want real crime control! Biden wanted gun control schemes!
      So his idea was to just let violence continue and GROW until Americans saw things his way about firearms. THEN we would come around to the evil dictators will!
      Now a lot of Americans got hurt, raped and killed from this policy of deliberate irresponsibility! Biden was and remains guilty of selective dereliction to duty!
      It wouldn't hurt Americans to see the Willy Horten ads again! Escpecaly if you are a crime victim of those awful days and lived to tell about it! and we can all thank Biden!

  • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 09/13/2008 5:22:29 PM

    The rightous indignation of all the left-wing bloggers here is more than a little amusing; it is downright funny. If you would all take the time to scroll down a bit, you will see multiple posts from people living in Indiana who blow giant holes in Alter's poorly researched hit piece. Most prominent is that one does NOT need a driver's license to vote in IN. If you would all get off of your breathless high-horses and actually do a bit of research (and perhaps use just a bit of common sense) you would realize that Alter's article is inaccurate and best and a downright lie at worst.

    Get a grip. No one is trying to deny any legally eligble person their right to vote.

    The hysterical left is at it again.

    • Posted By: RetiredMarine @ 09/13/2008 6:33:41 PM

      The fact is that liberals want everyone to be able to vote (as long as it benefits them). They want illegals to be able to vote, but not our military serving overseas.... simply recall the past election. Funny how they operate, in their eyes, if it means getting a liberal to win, why not allow the rest of the world to vote to make US decisions for us. That is the mentality we are dealing with.

      If a person can not produce a valid, legitimate piece of ID, that person should not be allowed to vote no more than that person should be able to write checks, use a credit card, etc.... If you can't prove who you are, you are most likely trying to do something wrong, immoral or illegal anyway.

      • Posted By: gidget @ 09/13/2008 8:24:15 PM

        I thought in America we fight for our constitutional rights. Where does it say you need to have a credit card? Being a US citizen is good enough for me even if you are stupid enough to vote the wrong way. Is that in the constitution??

  • Posted By: booogiemann @ 09/13/2008 6:04:38 AM

    Mr Alder seems to think Voter Fraud is only perpetrated by Republicans. Well let me remind him how the Democrats clearly disenfranchised millions of voters in the Florida and Michigan Primaries this year. No Republicans around to blame this time, it was their own Primary. They screwed up the elections again and didn't count the votes cast by millions.

    • Posted By: jarenoo @ 09/13/2008 11:31:45 AM

      Booogiemann: Republicans are the ones who created the problems in both of those states it was the Republican Congress/legislature the moved up those primaries and the dems. could not veto. Check your facts before you open your foolish lying mouth

      • Posted By: booogiemann @ 09/13/2008 2:07:12 PM

        Jarenoo ... seems the Republican Primaries went off just fine. Again, I submit the Democrats screwed up their 2008 Primary just as they did in 2000 with Democrat designed butterfly ballots in Democrat controlled districts. You telling me ACORN isn't corrupt... and Liberal? More dead people vote in Chicago than anywhere else. Typical how you would just blame Repubs. rather than just admit a screw-up.

        • Posted By: RetiredMarine @ 09/13/2008 7:00:04 PM

          No, don't you understand their mentality? It can't be the democrats fault. They can't be responsible for their own stupid actions. Therefore by default it has to be the republicans fault. This is their system. No matter what they do, they blame someone else when it fails.

    • Posted By: hmmmmm77 @ 09/13/2008 9:52:48 AM

      Is that all you got? Nice try, but not the same thing.

      • Posted By: republicans suck @ 09/13/2008 10:25:11 AM

        You must not have good reading comprehension skills.

        • Posted By: booogiemann @ 09/13/2008 2:09:47 PM

          Another lame reply with no logic, facts, didn't even bother with any kind of rebuttal. You are pathetic.

    • Posted By: republicans suck @ 09/13/2008 10:26:37 AM

      Regarding your comment "Mr Alder seems to think Voter Fraud is only perpetrated by Republicans."

      You must have bad reading comprehension skills. Maybe you should go back and read the article a few more times.

  • Posted By: TwoDog @ 09/13/2008 10:58:10 AM

    Agreed, Republicans certainly have not done enough to keep positive and inclusive image. But to suggest they are racist, and actually seeking to keep people from voting....destructively preposterous! You cannot judge all Republicans by the actions of a very few any more than you can judge all Muslims by the actions of a few radical Jihadists. The Republican Party began as the anti-slavery party and while Democrats have been trying to say that the bad element (pro-slavery) in their party switched to the Republican Party for years, there is no evidence to support the claim. The vast majority of civil rights advances have been facilitated and led by Republican efforts. Go visit the National Black Republicans website for a real history lesson. To the author, and all haters - if you knew anything about economics you would know that your incessant need to put down those you don't agree with or understand, is by and large the problem. Economic problems in this country are caused by low consumer confidence and irresponsible loans. You are the cause and your inner peace is the solution.

    • Posted By: Debster52 @ 09/13/2008 12:18:09 PM

      Then why do Republicans keep inacting these rules for voting? It doesn't seem very inclusive, democratic or American. It's not really for 'racism,' but rather they just know that most African Americans vote Democratic. If they voted for Republicans,they'd be making it easier for them to vote.

      • Posted By: RetiredMarine @ 09/13/2008 6:57:18 PM

        because democrats (liberals) have cheated in the past on their voting with fraudulent votes! Whether a republican or democrat initiated a requirement for ID is irrelevant. Fact is that for something as important as the election, there should be a requirement to show ID. How many illegal aliens are in this country? How many are terrorists (we don't know). Why should we allow them to vote in our elections?

  • Posted By: sheikwil @ 09/13/2008 6:54:19 PM

    what these lowlifes won't do the win this election. God is watching.

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