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  • Posted By: Iron Horse @ 09/16/2008 9:26:41 PM

    The problem with HolyRoller's post is that he/she doesn't seem to objectively analyze what these numbers actually tell us. Because the more money means more employees(ordinary citizens, not CEOs or the companies themselves) contributed. So, yes Obama received more INDIVIDUAL CONTRIBUTIONS, McCain received more LOBBYIST contributions.
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    John McCain railed against Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac on the campaign trail today,
    saying that the CEOs that led the lenders to ruin
    "deserve nothing"
    and should have to pay back their severance packages. In an
    Wall Street Journal op-ed
    co-bylined by his vice presidential pick, Sarah Palin, McCain suggested bold reforms
    for Fannie and Freddie that would "terminate future lobbying, which was one of the
    primary contributors to this great debacle."
    If that's the case, McCain should look first to his campaign staffers as the cause
    of that debacle. One of them was Fannie Mae's head of lobbying, and spread tens of
    millions of dollars around Washington in the form of lobbying contracts. A number
    of McCain staffers were on the receiving end of those contracts, collecting hundreds
    of thousands of dollars each from the lenders to rep their interests. And McCain's
    campaign manager served as president of a lobbying association that fought to protect
    Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae from the sort of regulation that McCain is now proposing.
    http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/09/9663_mccain_fannie_freddie.html
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    And someone from the companies who was merely employed but not lobbying is worse
    than lobbyists working for those companies? McCain's belly is so full of lobbyists,
    despite his bluff opposition to lobbying and claims of lobbying reform.

  • Posted By: SEA Observer @ 09/16/2008 9:25:59 PM

    News Flash: It has been confirmed that Neos was in the French Army. After a distinguish career he retired and moved to the United States because French doesn't pay their veterans...Currently, Neos served for the Obama campaign in the hope that, if Obama becomes US president, he will change French law to pay stipend to their veteran... Neos understands it is a text book uphill battle (footnote: French does not fight in real world) but he has to try. We will have more for you in coming issue on our follow up interview with Neos.

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 09/16/2008 9:25:30 PM

    NEWS ALERT!!!.....NEWS ALERT!!!! All Obamamohammeds...this ones for YA'LL......

    Jonathan Martin???s Politico report Monday that Bill Clinton has invited John McCain to give opening remarks live at his Clinton Global Initiative annual meeting later this month. Barack Obama is also invited but, on the other hand, is relegated to speaking to a plenay session via satellite!

    Would I be out of line to say...I TOLD YA'LL...When a man from Arkansas says..."Obama can KISS MY ASS"...He means it....Bye Bye Hussein....

    NOBAMA!!!

  • Posted By: trazer @ 09/16/2008 9:21:03 PM

    When you have a poor candidate running for president - Broken Obama who can only use a teleprompter and will increase all our taxes (or if we are lucky to get a tax break cost us our jobs....wow - how amazing this person is who has used cocaine (a felony), borrowed money for his mortgage from his home from a known and convicted felon; and can only say he (and millions of other college kids) worked on a service job after college.

  • Posted By: Iron Horse @ 09/16/2008 9:13:07 PM

    Hey Iron Horse,
    Same ol' drivel. But I give you credit for giving it the good ol' college try.
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    Hehehe... I am only a horse, you know, doin the job of rebuttal... Cutting and pasting is precisely what you neo cons are doing, but especially from your own neo con papers.
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    And the rumor regarding Biden is false.

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 09/16/2008 9:10:37 PM

    While Barack Obama is faking outrage over all the bankruptcies and bailouts, he doesn't mention that a number of his top ten contributors are from Wall Street, including Goldman Sacs, Lehman and the JP Morgan Chase. He also fails to mention that one of the first subprime lenders to stick it to borrowers and have her bank seized is a woman named Penny Pritzker, who just happens to be Barack Obama's campaign Finance Chair (as confirmed on April 3, 2008) and a potential Secretary of the Treasury in an Obama administration.

    NOBAMA!!!

  • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 09/16/2008 9:03:27 PM

    ****NEWS FLASH!*****

    RUMOR HAS IT THAT JOE BYGONE (Biden) WAS WEARING ONE OF HILLZ PANTSUITS TODAY WHILE HE WAS OUT MAKING HIS PIT-BULL STUMP SPEECHES!

    Can anybody confirm this? Is BO camp trying to tell us something?!

  • Posted By: neos @ 09/16/2008 7:28:25 PM

    Not to be outdone by Tina Fey's parody(?) of Sahar Palin, the repubs showed off John McCain's spot-on imitation of Herbert Hoover yesterday. Awesome!

    • Posted By: SEA Observer @ 09/16/2008 7:40:48 PM

      So Neos... what do you think of bama's cutting & editing Fiona's interview?

      • Posted By: neos @ 09/16/2008 7:43:05 PM

        You first, what about McCain's impersonation of Hoover?

        • Posted By: SEA Observer @ 09/16/2008 7:48:31 PM

          Hoover would be proud! It would be perfect if he can be a little more animated with his arms... you know the story and I am getting more disappointed with you by the minute!

          Which branch of service were you in anyway?

          • Posted By: neos @ 09/16/2008 8:12:10 PM

            You know, I think you are wrong. Hoover would be insulted - even he knew enough to in an election year to be square with the American public on the state of the economy. And stop pulling the POW pass - it doesn't apply here. ARMY!

            • Posted By: SEA Observer @ 09/16/2008 8:29:45 PM

              ahemmm... you still have not answer my question about Fiona's yet? what's the matter? you are not going to cut and run, are you?

              By the way, I agreed with McCain about the fundamental of our economy is strong... key word here being "fundamental!"

              • Posted By: neos @ 09/16/2008 8:43:43 PM

                First things first. McCain did not say fundamental. he said fundamentals. He and you can play semantics all day long but everyone knows what he meant. And the fundamentals of our economy sadly enough are not sound. Unemployment is at a five-year high, 10,000 foreclosures a day, the country's largest financial institutions going bankrupt due chiefly to governmental deregulation. Deregulation that Senator McCain wholeheartedly supported. The honest working stiff who has played by the rules and who has done his share deserves better than this. They are not whiners and for them it is not a mental recession. For McCain the economy must appear sound - none of his 9 houses is in forclosure.

                Pulling out the POW pass on completely unrelated questions is insulting to every service member and John McCain has been doing a lot lately - whenever he gets put into a corner. FDR never used the Polio 'pass' to shirk responsibility.

                • Posted By: SEA Observer @ 09/16/2008 8:48:58 PM

                  tsk...tsk...tsk... you still havn't anwer my Fiona question yet....

                  You really were in the Army? Which one? the way you act... I would guess.... French???

  • Posted By: josemarti @ 09/16/2008 9:35:36 AM

    Anger in the Obama camp over the refusal of Democratic Congressional candidates to appear with Obama on the campaign trail. Mr. Axelrod has promised to retaliate against any Democrat who refuses to appear with Obama. "Next election they may just find themselves being challenged by a (expletive) (expletive)."

    • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 09/16/2008 8:44:10 PM

      Doesn't suprise me one bit Jose. I believe it!

  • Posted By: josemarti @ 09/16/2008 9:50:44 AM

    Several radio and newspaper commentators have begun to sublty and sometimes not too sublty warn of race riots should Obama lose. This is a very disturbing development. Let's keep an eye on this.

    • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 09/16/2008 8:42:13 PM

      Weeaaaahhhh! The Democrats promised me this election! And if I don't "WIN" I'm gonna sick my brother on you. THIS MY ELECTION!!! WEEEEAAAAHHHH!!!!

    • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 09/16/2008 10:18:34 AM

      There two articles like that yesterday on RCP. Just an intimidation tactic, I'm sure in some places there might be but hopefully Obama can keep his people in line if he loses....although he doesn't have a great track record of that as it is.

      • Posted By: josemarti @ 09/16/2008 11:46:09 AM

        Zombiehero: What is RCP? I think we need to monitor this issue.

        • Posted By: SEA Observer @ 09/16/2008 12:13:48 PM

          It's Real Clear Politics. Website is www.realclearpolitics.com

    • Posted By: THE RAVEN @ 09/16/2008 10:53:53 AM

      Race riots? What an idiot you are. Where did you hear or read that $hit? If black people were ever going to riot, it wouldn't be because some half white, half black politician didn't get elected President--moron. When I hear ignorant people like you talk about race riots and race wars, I can't help but think that you WANT such a thing to occur.

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 09/16/2008 10:33:41 AM

      Josemarti.. you are insane.. Obama supporters are not warmongers. McCain supporters are. If McCain wins, he will have won with lies and fluff... Sarah Palin is nothing but fluff and more lies and distortions... I don't see it though... for an ex beauty queen, she's plain and ordinary looking. The Reps have never been known for having pretty women.

      McCain/Palin= Bridge to Lies and Deception.
      around.

  • Posted By: josemarti @ 09/16/2008 2:38:40 PM

    Can anyone confirm a rumor that the Obama campaign is trying to link Palin to organized crime in Alaska?

    • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 09/16/2008 2:48:52 PM

      I haven't heard that...but I wouldn't be surprised....the latest and greatest is that Palin supported a Bridge from Wasilla to Anchorage....Imagine that... a Gov supporting infrastructure. We need to string up every Gov that supports building roads...this is an outrage.

      • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 09/16/2008 8:34:03 PM

        Good retort Z! Lol!

  • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 09/16/2008 7:34:40 PM

    Hey JoseMarti,

    So did BO slip Jo-Jo Bygone (Biden) a temp pass. You know one of those:

    "GET OUT FROM UNDER THE BUS" pass's after his pit-bull speeches over the past couple days? It went something like this:

    "John McCain is a personal friend, a good man, a war hero, an experienced political leader --- BUT HE'S NOT QUALIFIED TO BE PREZ! Why?! Because BO told me so! That's why!!! And everybody knows ... BO KNOWS BEST."

    • Posted By: SEA Observer @ 09/16/2008 7:37:29 PM

      Sorry, what's BO? body odor?

      • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 09/16/2008 7:57:15 PM

        Hey SeaO,

        You said it ... not me. Lol!

        • Posted By: SEA Observer @ 09/16/2008 8:02:22 PM

          Oh... soryy again... did I offend someone?

          • Posted By: neos @ 09/16/2008 8:08:51 PM

            This conversation - it's like being back in elementary school. Not really enough to keep the mind alive.

            • Posted By: SEA Observer @ 09/16/2008 8:20:52 PM

              We tried not to be constipated like you all the time, neos... we have fun!

              • Posted By: neos @ 09/16/2008 8:27:53 PM

                Yeah, and you're a poopy-pants, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

                There, am i getting into the spirit of the conversation? Is this sophmoric enough. I thought we were discussing a presidential election...

                • Posted By: SEA Observer @ 09/16/2008 8:32:53 PM

                  huh!.... i think you just ruined a good conversation, dude! trying too hard, tsk...tsk...tsk....

  • Posted By: josemarti @ 09/16/2008 2:50:01 PM

    Obama, in anticipation of becoming Commander in Chief, has been practicing military salute. Michelle Obama looks forward to becoming nation's First Lady.

    • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 09/16/2008 8:25:41 PM

      Now that's funny! Thanks!

  • Posted By: Iron Horse @ 09/16/2008 5:51:37 PM

    Again Zombiehero, you are only arguing with a selective tongue. The bill uses the phrase "age appropriate" and is primarily aimed at protecting kids from sexual predators. Well, fine McCain and his supporters don't want kids protected from sex offenders and AIDS transmitted to them... But again, it DOES NOT SAY WHAT ZOMBIEHERO WANTS US TO BELEIVE; IT SAYS IT IS "AGE APPRORPIATE" CLASSES SHOULD ONLY BE TAUGHT, NOT 5-YEAR ODLS.
    It's true that the phrase "comprehensive sex education" appeared in the bill, but
    little else in McCain's claim is accurate. The ad refers to a
    bill
    Obama supported in the Illinois state Senate to update the sex education curriculum
    and make it "medically accurate." It would have lowered the age at which students
    would begin what the bill termed "comprehensive sex education" to include kindergarten.
    But it mandated the instruction be "age-appropriate" for kindergarteners when addressing
    topics such as sexually transmitted diseases. The bill also would have granted parents
    the opportunity to remove their children from the class without question:
    SB 99
    :
    However, no pupil shall be required to take or participate in any family life class
    or course on HIV
    AIDS
    or family life instruction if his parent or guardian submits written objection thereto,
    and refusal to take or participate in such course or program shall not be reason
    for suspension or expulsion of such pupil.
    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/off_base_on_sex_ed.html

    • Posted By: Davole @ 09/16/2008 8:19:20 PM

      Iron Horse -

      Who would decide the actual meaning of the vague term "age-appropriate"?

      Would the starting grade in California be the same as it would be in New York, and any other state?

      Would it gradually be lowered from year to year until it reached kindergarten or even earlier?

  • Posted By: neos @ 09/16/2008 7:01:59 PM

    temp4643, This is an easy one. To be concerned about these items one would first have to believe them. To believe them one would have to fall into one of the following three categories: 1. incredibly gullible, 2. pathologically obtuse, and/or 3. deliberately malicious (racists, religious bigots, etc.) To our credit most Americans do not fall into these categories. We are, by and large, better than that. But, there are a few misanthropes who do ; some of those poor lost souls can be found here on this very website.

    • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 09/16/2008 7:15:21 PM

      I've never met a NON pompous/self righteous Democrat! Honest! Yes I know ... only dems have brains. Wright?

      • Posted By: neos @ 09/16/2008 7:21:58 PM

        Category 3.

        • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 09/16/2008 8:01:28 PM

          Now is that a Category 3 hurricane you're referring to ... smile.

          • Posted By: neos @ 09/16/2008 8:07:11 PM

            Good metaphor! Blindly destructive and full of hot air.

    • Posted By: SEA Observer @ 09/16/2008 7:35:04 PM

      Wow... neos.... what got into you lately? poll numbers? Don't be so nasty man! you're giving veterans a bad name...

      • Posted By: neos @ 09/16/2008 7:41:12 PM

        Nasty??? I am optimistic. I specifically said that most Americans are above this type of lying. We are better than that.
        Poll numbers look very encouraging to me.

  • Posted By: Iron Horse @ 09/16/2008 8:14:42 PM

    Gallup Poll: Obama almost wipes out McCain's lead
    By Yael T. Abouhalkah, Kansas City Star Editorial Page columnist
    The resurgence continues: Barack Obama
    pulled almost even with
    John McCain
    in Tuesday's Gallup Poll. The numbers: 47-46 percent, in McCain's favor.
    But that's down from a 5-point lead barely a week ago.
    And commentators -- including Gallup's pollsters -- say Obama's gains could continue
    this week. That's because voters have said the Democratic nominee generally has better
    economic plans than McCain.
    And with the U.S. economy in extremely volatile times, Obama could be the biggest
    political beneficiary of that fact in the coming weeks.
    That puts pressure on McCain to come up with new, improved ideas to show he may have
    what it takes to help strengthen the economy.
    http://voices.kansascity.com/node/2072
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    McCain should look to Palin's pupported "energy expertise" and expertise in knowing that Fannie Mae and Fredgie Mc are (as she thought) taxpayer funded. Or, McCain can call the ghost of Herbert Hoover for advice.

  • Posted By: Iron Horse @ 09/16/2008 8:08:52 PM

    The primary reason why the Palin bubble will burst is that the media will decide
    that they are bored with her. They'll need to move to shine a light on a fresh issue
    or individual.
    This is how the world works in the age of 24/7 news cycles. Whether the subject is
    Britney Spears, Michael Jordan or Sarah Palin, we inevitably raise stars to mythic
    levels, out of all reasonable proportions. Then we knock them down.
    http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/sarah-palin-phenomenon-doomed/story.aspx?guid=%7BE68FE5D2-7747-4170-B7DC-8EEC17B4D6F5%7D&dist=msr_52
    (NOTE: Commentary).

  • Posted By: Iron Horse @ 09/16/2008 8:05:09 PM

    Why the Pain Phenomenon is Dommed
    http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/sarah-palin-phenomenon-doomed/story.aspx?guid=%7BE68FE5D2-7747-4170-B7DC-8EEC17B4D6F5%7D&dist=msr_52
    (Note: Commentary).

  • Posted By: Iron Horse @ 09/16/2008 8:01:20 PM

    Hey McPain and Sarah Pain fans,
    Your queen of lies is slowly but painfully drifting toward unpopularity. Voters were initially overwhelmed by curiosity and the fact that Pain is the first GOP VP (yeah, the GOP is full of cons who object to feminism), they are slowly but intelligently seeing through the RUSE.
    Latest Diego Hotline Poll shows Palin's favorability rating dropping
    http://blog.newsweek.com/error.html?aspxerrorpath=/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/09/16/palin-s-favorability-ratings-begin-to-falter.aspx
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    And the GOP controlled Fed will rescue (bail out) AIG, showing that for the GOP corporate interests trump voters' concerns....

  • Posted By: neocon @ 09/16/2008 3:21:42 PM

    I love how democrats point the finger of racist at conservatives, but with each left wing post they display their bigotry. With the posts from the left we see their age discrimination, their desire for class warfare and the democrat???s sexism. Liberals attack McCain for being too old; you need to be careful there. Senior citizens vote in far greater numbers than any demographic group. Class warfare, tax the rich, the rich are bad people let???s bring them down they make too much money anyways (forgetting that they are the people that for the most part are the ones creating the jobs in this country). Gee that sounds soo much like Lenin circa 1915. And my favorite smears from the left, their sexism. Hillary supports just get over it and vote for me, what a lovely sentiment from the Obama camp if you want the women???s vote. And now the sexist attacks on Palin, gee how can she run for office with 5 kids? She has a special needs child she should be at home with that baby. The democrats claim to be the big tent party but I guess you are only allow in if your young, poor and male. No wonder Obama???s numbers are dropping like a rock.

    • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 09/16/2008 7:53:22 PM

      Gee Neocon ... I see you knocked 'em dead today. Another good post! Spot on! Any Democrat out there wish to dispute this post? C'mon now ... I don't wanna hear crickets again.

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