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  • Posted By: neocon @ 09/19/2008 12:24:12 PM

    Excerpt from http://www.lifenews.com/nat4318.html
    As a parent with a child with cerebral palsy this guy is a moron!!!
    A writer for a libertarian group has written perhaps the most scathing attack on pro-life vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin since the Alaska governor was announced weeks ago as John McCain's running mate. Nicholas Provenzo condemns Palin for the birth of her baby Trig, who has Down syndrome.
    Provenzo, who writes for the Center for the Advancement of Capitalism, not only bashes her for allowing Trig to be born, but says she should have made the so-called morally justifiable decision to kill him in an abortion.
    The Center for the Advancement of Capitalism bills itself as a group "dedicated to advancing individual rights and economic freedom through Ayn Rand's philosophy of Objectivism."
    "Like many, I am troubled by the implications of Alaska governor and Republican Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin's decision to knowingly give birth to a child disabled with Down syndrome," Provenzo writes.
    "Given that Palin's decision is being celebrated in some quarters, it is crucial to reaffirm the morality of aborting a fetus diagnosed with Down syndrome (or by extension, any unborn fetus)???a freedom that anti-abortion advocates seek to deny," he adds.
    Provenzo advocates not only a discriminatory, but apparently a pro-eugenics view of the disabled that rivals that of Nazi Germany.

  • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 09/19/2008 11:50:53 AM

    The Palin And McCain Administration: Sarah Flips The Ticket During A Rally (VIDEO)

    A WHAT Administration? A WHO Administration?
    September 18, 2008 4:16 PM

    Uh-oh.

    Gov. Sarah Palin is now talking about "a Palin and McCain administration."

    lik to article and video: http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/a-what-administ.html

  • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 09/19/2008 11:22:32 AM

    Off topic but McCain is now accusing Obama of having lobbyist on his campaign staff and stating that he does not allow lobbyists on his staff.

    More Lobbyists On McCain Staff Than Any Other 08 Candidate

    John McCain, who made his name attacking special interests, has more lobbyists working on his staff or as advisers than any of his competitors, Republican or Democrat.

    A Huffington Post examination of the campaigns of the top three presidential candidates in each party shows that lobbyists are playing key roles in both Democratic and Republican bids --although they are far more prevalent on the GOP side. But, all the campaigns pale in comparison to McCain's, whose rhetoric stands in sharp contrast to his conduct.

    "Too often the special interest lobbyists with the fattest wallets and best access carry the day when issues of public policy are being decided," McCain asserts on his web site, declaring that he "has fought the 'revolving door' by which lawmakers and other influential officials leave their posts and become lobbyists for the special interests they have aided."

    In actual practice, at least two of McCain's top advisers fit precisely the class of former elected officials he criticizes so sharply. On March 7, 2007, McCain named ex-Texas Representative Tom Loeffler, who has one of the most lucrative and influential practices in the nation's capital, as his campaign co-chair. In the same month, McCain named former Washington Sen. Slade Gorton, now a heavyweight lobbyist, as his honorary chairman for Washington state.

    Loeffler's client list includes PhRMA, the drug industry association; Southwest Airlines; Toyota; and Martin Marietta. Gorton represents, among others, Burlington Northern Santa Fe Corp., Weyerhaeuser and Fidelity National Financial

    link to entire article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/06/23/huffpost-exclusive-more-_n_53456.html

  • Posted By: josemarti @ 09/19/2008 11:19:28 AM

    Obama vows to dismantle the Central Intelligence Agency. "I have all the intelligence I need" said the Ivy League graduate.

  • Posted By: josemarti @ 09/19/2008 11:14:48 AM

    Obama reveals how he "got it right" in Iraq. "I tossed a coin," said the candidate.

  • Posted By: josemarti @ 09/19/2008 9:56:38 AM

    Obama campaign warns of more terrorist attacks if Obama is defeated. Said a person close to the candidate: "The anger that the rest of the world feels towards Americans is only likely to intensify if Obama loses. No Obama. No peace. "

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 09/19/2008 9:16:58 AM



    MCCAINS COMPREHENSIVE ECONOMIC PLAN

    John McCain has a Comprehensive Economic Plan that will create millions of good American jobs, ensure our nations energy security, get the governments budget and spending practices in order, and bring relief to American consumers. Read each of the sections below to learn how the McCain Economic Plan will help bring reform, prosperity and peace to America.

    * WORKPLACE FLEXIBILITY:
    Workplace Flexibility in a Changing Economy
    Workplace Flexibility and Choice
    http://www.johnmccain.com/Issues/JobsforAmerica/workplaceflex.htm

    * RELIEF FOR FAMILIES:
    Immediate Relief for American Families
    Gas and Food Prices
    http://www.johnmccain.com/Issues/JobsforAmerica/relief.htm

    * GOVERNMENT REFORM:
    Reforming Washington to Regain the Trust of Taxpayers
    Bring The Budget To Balance By 2013
    http://www.johnmccain.com/Issues/JobsforAmerica/reform.htm

    * SUPPORTING SMALL BUSINESSES
    Lower Energy Costs
    http://www.johnmccain.com/Issues/JobsforAmerica/smallbusiness.htm

    * CHEAP AND CLEAN ENERGY
    Cheap, Clean, Secure Energy for America
    Transform Electricity
    http://www.johnmccain.com/Issues/JobsforAmerica/energy.htm

    * BETTER HEALTHCARE
    Health Care Reforms: Better Care, At Lower Cost, for Every American
    Reforms To Reduce The Rate Of Health Care Inflation
    http://www.johnmccain.com/Issues/JobsforAmerica/healthcare.htm

    * SIMPLER AND FAIRER TAXES
    Taxes: Simpler, Fair, Pro-Growth and Competitive
    Pro-Growth Tax Policy
    http://www.johnmccain.com/Issues/JobsforAmerica/taxes.htm

    * LOWER BARRIERS TO TRADE
    Trade
    Lower Barriers to Trade
    http://www.johnmccain.com/Issues/JobsforAmerica/trade.htm

  • Posted By: josemarti @ 09/19/2008 8:55:08 AM

    Deep concern in Obama camp about the changing dynamics of election.

  • Posted By: SEA Observer @ 09/18/2008 10:38:45 PM

    What is political astuteness? Is it a degree of support that you show for who you vote for? or is it what you do for the best of your country?

    One answer would be the forever thougthful, winded, indirect....
    One answer would be to the point....

    The term "Astute" has been hijacked (quote & unquote) by the committed left... and the right (quote & unquote" equates it to being wishy-washy. so take your pick, old man!

    • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 09/18/2008 10:42:19 PM

      Has Neos answered any of our questions yet? I've answered all of his, why is there no reciprocity?

      • Posted By: neos @ 09/18/2008 10:55:57 PM

        I answered SEA's question's on Palin and 'Fiona'. Seek and ye shall find. As for responding to your cherrry-picked conjecture piece which in the final analysis rests on opinion and unnamed sources, uh no thanks. And then there is the matter of your LYING about being a Democrat. TSK, TSK

        • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 09/19/2008 5:21:57 AM

          And yes didn't bother with the link to John Tapper at ABC news this time because I posted it when I originally asked the question from you....which you couldn't answer so. Please take some time and read before making your wild accusations. They only make you look bad.

        • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 09/19/2008 5:20:11 AM

          So you can't answer or defend what Obama said.....so you try and attack me personally. Yeah your a true "New Democrat." I remember when the Democrats USED to be outraged by those tactics and vowed not to use them....that was then....now it's do anything to win.
          You obviously can't handle the fact that there are Dems that won't vote for Obama. Deal with it. It will make McCain's transition a whole lot easier if you do.

      • Posted By: SEA Observer @ 09/18/2008 10:52:14 PM

        For an old vet, he seems to adopt the cut and run tactic....

        • Posted By: neos @ 09/18/2008 11:06:19 PM

          A little quick on the trigger on that one buddy.Look up.

    • Posted By: neos @ 09/18/2008 10:52:18 PM

      Astuteness means being sharp enough to clearly perceive the truth. as for 'political' astuteness - well if you voted for the Bushmeister, sorry you might be just a little lacking.

      • Posted By: SEA Observer @ 09/18/2008 11:09:57 PM

        Sorry old man, but for and old vet, you havn't learn much. Your hatred and herd mentallity have blinded you too much to see what Bush & his commanders haver done for this country!

        In the current environtment, any historian or analyst that come out in favor of Bush would have her/his career castraded. But mark my word! 5-10 years from now, they will come out of the wood work to say how simple, brilliant, but difficult Bush & his commanders' strategy was to defeat the terrorist. What they had done was to bring the battle field to the enemy (brought it to Iraq)!, away from the real target (US); drawn them in them in and decimated them! It was a lot of risk as they have to fight the terrorist and the opinion poll at home at the same time; and they stood firm; and they won....now let see how politically astute you are......................

        • Posted By: neos @ 09/18/2008 11:29:48 PM

          !9 people from a small evil organization attacked the towers. None were Iraqis. We criminally attacked preemptively an independent nation and as a consequence have made the world a more dangerous place. We are breeding a new generation of terrrorists based on our attack. People who have lost family members to our bombs. Citizens of neighboring nations who see us now as an evil agressor. We squandered all the sympathy from 9/11 on this monumental mistake and it will take generations to overcome the damage..
          Let me ask you this. Suppose a middle-eastern nation for whatever reason decided to occupy Texas and bring Texans the 'blessings' of their culture because a group of fanatical Texans had committed an act of terrorism. Who would fight off this occupying force? Only the Fanatical texan terrorists, or every red-blooded Texan with a gun. You see, this is the problem. Some of those we kill in Iraq are Al-quaeda terrorists. But most are simply 'patriots' trying to kick out the yankee invader. We kill Shiite and Sunni indiscriminately. Afghanistan was the right move. Iraq was easily the bigeest blunder in a century. If you really believe this incompetent boob will be rated highly someday, i've got a bridge to sell you. The same one Palin supported before she opposed it.

          • Posted By: SEA Observer @ 09/18/2008 11:40:40 PM

            Your arguments are simply illogical... let me ask you a simple question: Do you see the terrorists offerring the innocent victims of 9/11 reparations?

            Why does the Bush admin spent billions of dollars in Irag? Let me offer you a simple answer: to keep that battle field in Iraq and not in the US. Wake up my man! Freedom is not free! My heart goes out to the innocent Iraquis that got caught in this, but in the larger picture, Iraq was more of a logical, and less expensive, battlefield than Iran, Saudi Arabia, or Russia!

            • Posted By: benkrapf @ 09/19/2008 2:58:37 AM

              Bush is spending billions in Iraq because it's an easy way to transfer our national wealth from the U.S. Treasury (read, taxpayers) into the coffers of his cronies, and specifically Cheney. This war is a transfer of wealth and an attempt to keep America hooked on oil by proffering phony shortages, nothing more.

            • Posted By: neos @ 09/18/2008 11:59:00 PM

              Al-quaeda was never that large, but it sure is now. After 9/11 the threat of an attack would have been eliminated in my opinion wether we had invaded iraq or not. Again 19 terrorists flew into the towers. Are you really so naive as to believe that Al-queada can not spare another 19 today?? But in your view to avoid the POSSIBILITY of an' attack here we have killed hundreds of thousnds of innocent Iraqis, men women and children, and have allowed to be killed and maimed tens of thousands of our young troops and set a whole generation of previously moderate middle-easterners against us. I doubt that the Iraqis mean that much to you, but at least the tens of thousands of US troops should give you pause. They are victums of our cowboy CIC.

        • Posted By: benkrapf @ 09/19/2008 2:56:14 AM

          Like LBJ's and Westmoreland's strikingly similar rhetoric during Vietnam. Yeah, history has completely exonerated them. Yeah, right.

  • Posted By: benkrapf @ 09/19/2008 3:47:52 AM

    A current poll average taken from 20 national polls on usaelectionpolls.com shows:

    Obama 45.5%

    McCain 44%

    Bounce is gone. Let's see how McPalin handles the O'Biden rhetorical behemoth in the debates.

  • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 09/18/2008 11:50:18 AM

    McCain Meant To Reject Spain Meeting, Adviser Says

    I found this on Huff and Wash Post. By the way just so everyone is aware Spain and the US are NATO Allies. Here is the first part of the article and the link to the entire article;

    The McCain campaign insisted Thursday morning that the Senator meant what he said when, during an interview on Spanish radio, he refused to commit to a meeting with Spain's prime minister, Jose Luis Zapatero.

    "The questioner asked several times about Senator McCain's willingness to meet Zapatero (and id'd him in the question so there is no doubt Senator McCain knew exactly to whom the question referred). Senator McCain refused to commit to a White House meeting with President Zapatero in this interview," the Senator's foreign policy adviser Randy Sheunemann told the Washington Post.

    Sheunemann's answer is likely to be cause deep ripples within the diplomatic community, as it represents a more aggressive and antagonistic approach than that deployed by the Bush administration. It also promises to be hotly contested, as a review of the McCain interview suggests that the Senator was likely confused as to who Zapatero actually was.

    link to Huffington Post: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/18/mccain-meant-to-reject-sp_n_127449.html

    McCain Slights Spanish Prime Minister

    link to Wash Post article:
    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/18/mccain_slights_spanish_prime_m.html#more

    I guess McCain is Eni meni mini mo ing regarding the next country that we will go to war with. Remember McCain knows how to win wars......... by winning wars! No Palin/McCain are not scary at all !

    • Posted By: neocon @ 09/18/2008 12:20:24 PM

      Sorry I living in the DC area and refuse to read the Post, apparently like many others as it's circulation is dropping faster than the stock market due to it's open and unrepentant liberal bias. And the huffingtontrash, please. If I posted garbage like this and used fox as a source you "progressive" would try to rip me a new one. Get believable sources and we could take you serous.

      • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 09/18/2008 1:24:32 PM

        WE??? Dear Dear small minded person I have been on these boards for a while and have read your posts. I find it hard to believe that YOU are adequate representation of posters on these boards. Even though I may not agree with the politics of a lot of posters they are in no way at your level!

        By the way I do not ever watch nor do I read Faux Noise so SORRY I do not have any sources that someone such as YOURSELF would be ABLE to believe!

        • Posted By: neocon @ 09/18/2008 1:47:28 PM

          Your right I don't represent most posters on this board. Most are way out on the fringe left.

          • Posted By: benkrapf @ 09/19/2008 3:42:38 AM

            Supporting a Democratic candidate doesn't mean a person is on some sort of fringe. If McCain is the 'maverick' he says he is (LOL), then wouldn't support of him and his policies plant you squarely in the fringes, too? I forgot... he sold out!

        • Posted By: neocon @ 09/18/2008 1:43:56 PM

          We can agree the because I don't watch Fax either. I don't need someone to tell me what to think. Unlike most (again not all) progressive that refuse to entertain any idea that remotely differs from the DNc talking points.

          • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 09/18/2008 3:17:29 PM

            Too true. Ok then TRUCE!

            • Posted By: neocon @ 09/18/2008 4:46:47 PM

              See not all conservatives have horns and a tail. ;)

    • Posted By: neocon @ 09/18/2008 12:48:21 PM

      Youknow sjpersonal, I took your advise and went to the post and you know what I found? The rest of the article, "Zapatero is a center-left politician, but McCain has suggested that as president he would seek to repair relations that have been badly frayed in Europe during Bush's tenure. In an early-April interview with a reporter from Spanish newspaper El Pais, McCain said, "This is the moment to leave behind discrepancies with Spain."

      He added: "I would like for [President Zapatero] to visit the United States. I am very interested not only in normalizing relations with Spain but in obtaining good and productive relations with the goal of addressing many issues and challenges that we have to confront together."

      • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 09/18/2008 1:19:35 PM

        Awww so you think that I was trying to trick you??????????? Did you even bother to read my comment, why do you think I supplied the link???
        SO THAT YOU COULD READ THE REST OF THE ARTICLE!

        By the way take from the article whatever your PARTICULAR TYPE of Conscious Allows!

        DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

        • Posted By: neocon @ 09/18/2008 1:31:16 PM

          Well, what i took away from you post is that your willing as most progressive (not all) to post completely out of context to make a point that is invalid and Intellectually barren. Your will to post half truth for questionable sources to make an arguement that is purely stanted. Now go back to huffington and see what other garbage you can scap of your shoe.

          • Posted By: benkrapf @ 09/19/2008 3:27:20 AM

            Is your spelling really this bad? No Adult Left Behind.

  • Posted By: neocon @ 09/17/2008 6:21:52 PM

    I am under 45 years old.
    I love the outdoors.
    I hunt.
    I am a Republican reformer.

    I have taken on the Republican Party establishment.

    I have many children.

    I have a spot on the national ticket as vice president with less than two years in the governor???s office.

    Have you ever heard of me before now?

    I am Teddy Roosevelt.

    • Posted By: benkrapf @ 09/18/2008 2:46:31 AM

      He wasn't a republican forever...

      Why was it that he broke away from his party?

      Oh, yeah! All the same reasons McCain is now a dyed-in-the-wool Republican lackey, willing to pander to anybody with a little red elephant on their lapel in order to get into office.

      Try comparing McCain to Nixon and you'll get a much neater match.


      • Posted By: neocon @ 09/18/2008 12:09:52 PM

        There you go again, take some deep breathes, you seem to tak this sooo personal.

        • Posted By: benkrapf @ 09/19/2008 3:34:01 AM

          The only thing I could take personally politically is that conservatives have an agenda that reaches through my phones lines into my bedroom, dances on top of my finances and investments, precludes the prospect of my children ever seeing a rainforest...

          And 'breaths' doesn't have an 'e', while 'take' does.

          Meanwhile all I read are these long-winded diatribes from you about this and that. You clearly feel a personal stake in these political developments, as do many other Americans.

  • Posted By: benkrapf @ 09/17/2008 2:49:45 PM

    McCain is set to claim sovereignty of Mars. In a prepared statement, he announced, "It's mine. It's all mine, my friends."

    • Posted By: SEA Observer @ 09/17/2008 3:07:29 PM

      Sad thing was... after listening to McCain's prepared speech, half of the liberals ran to the airport and got ticket to move to europe!

      • Posted By: benkrapf @ 09/19/2008 3:20:11 AM

        Why should we move? We're the only ones with any common sense.

      • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 09/17/2008 7:05:39 PM

        Lol!

      • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 09/17/2008 6:16:12 PM

        SeaO,

        Now there's a great idea! SeaO 4 Pres!

  • Posted By: Nins @ 09/18/2008 6:07:32 PM

    Fannie Mae, Freddy Mac, Bear Sterns, Lehman Brothers, AIG and the rest of the failed institutions have failed primarily because of former Senator Phil Gramm. The Gramm-Leach-Biley Act stripped away the regulations separating banking from investment companies, insurance companies and mortgage guaranty companies. Those regulations were added after the Great Depression when it became obvious that allowing banks to be in bed with the stock market was a sure way to rig the system to collapse, as it did in 1929.

    Lo an behold, a few years after the regulations were removed, the sh!t has hit the fan, and the inter-related investment, insurance, mortgage and banking industries are now starting to collapse, and guess what, you, the taxpayer will have to pay to clean it up.

    Phil Gramm is the Senator who brought you the "Enron Loophole" that de-regulated futures trading, causing the prices of oil, gas and food to spiral out of control.

    Senator Phil Gramm was McCain's top economic advisor until recently, when he was forced to step down after he said that there is no problem with our economy other than a "mental recession" on the part of a "nation of whiners." Phil Gramm is the man who McCain said he wants to name Secretary of the Treasury if he becomes President. You have to believe John McCain when he says that he knows little about the economy -- so little that he doesn't even know who to choose as an advisor.

    Barack Obama addressed the Enron Loophole, futures trading, short-selling and Wall Street de-regulation months ago in his economic position papers, which are available on his website. Obama has been saying all along that he is going to put in strict regulations and clean up Wall Street.

    McCain just started saying that he favors regulation in the past couple of weeks. How is it that McCain is going to put in new regulations, when he plans to appoint Phil Gramm, the man who caused the de-regulation, as Secretary of the Treasury? McCain says he would fire Christopher Cox, the SEC Chairman, to solve the problem. However, the problem is caused by lack of regulations on the legislative level, regulations that were removed before Cox was appointed. The SEC can only enforce regulations that actually exist, so making a scapegoat of Cox solves nothing. I would suggest that McCain is guilty of saying what's politically expedient, that he does not actually intend to regulate the banking industry. McCain knows that most Americans are unaware of the details.

    I am a middle-aged white conservative Republican who loves America. I am voting for Barack Obama.

    http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15050.html
    http://www.newsweek.com/id/145011/page/1
    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/outlook/6007788.html
    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A01E0D81038F934A25752C0A9649C8B63
    http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/stateupdates/gG5Rzb

    • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 09/18/2008 6:48:29 PM

      What up ninny....long time no post...I would say I've missed you...but...that would make me like you...A LIAR....post what you wish...but stop calling yourself a conservative Republican (I see you left out the Christian part)...

      Conservatives don't vote for baby killing, anti-American, race baiting, communist leaning, mohammeds....who just happen to be a CROOK and a FRAUD.

      As for the cause of this economic turmoil.....lots of blame to pass around...but...the mohammed messiah is in up to his burqa...Sen McCain co-sponsered a reform bill for Freddie and Fannie, in 2005...and warned of todays crisis...Your liberal...give loans folks can't afford Dems...shot it down....AND took the bribe $$$. Here is the TRUTH about your "candidate" of choice. Actually he is Emperor George's HOPE, not yours.

      CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN????......and this ain't chump change either...more on the bought and paid for mohammed messiah.........

      Compare the money Barack has raised from lobbyists with that McCain has snagged. Obama received a grand total (per Open Secrets) of $1,223,737.00 from Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Lehman Brothers, AIG, and Bear Stearns while John McCain received only $258,075.00.

      John McCain $6,550((Fannie Mae) $9,100 (Freddie Mac) $117,500 (Lehman Bros.) $36,875 (AIG) and $88,050 (Bear Stearns)

      Barack Obama $137,950 (Fannie Mae) $68,750 (Freddie Mac) $370,524 (Lehman Bros.) $75,899 (AIG) and $570,614 (Bear Stearns)

      Hussein Obama is a CROOK and a FRAUD. Wonder what that $30,000 steak tasted like?

      NOBAMA!!!

      • Posted By: benkrapf @ 09/19/2008 3:10:33 AM

        You are a racist like John McCain.

    • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 09/18/2008 9:47:01 PM

      OMG! NINS IS BACK!!! I'M RUNNING 4 THE HILLS!!!!

      Sorry Ninzy ... I better just sign my Blog Ticket now.

    • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 09/18/2008 7:45:06 PM

      Imagine that all your sources are leftwing nut jobs....I can imagine the indignation if all my sources were from Fox.....you need to learn a thing or to about unbiased sources.

      my barackobama is biased, NYT is biased, Newsweek is biased, Carpetbagger may as well be the Kos.

  • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 09/18/2008 10:29:58 PM

    Neos,

    RE: OBAMA OPPOSING THE WAR (ref to your post below)

    Exactly neos! And that's precisely why I question his overall judgment! A person's decision or decisions (Dem/Repub doesn't matter) are ONLY as good as the information on hand. The latest info readily available to him or her as they make their tough decision(s). As we all know hindsight is 20/20.

    So what does this tell us about BHO's judgment and/or decision making process?
    RIGHT AFTER 9/11, WHEN EVERYBODY IN THIS NATION WAS CONCERNED ABOUT OUR NATIONAL SECURITY---BASED ON THE CURRENT INFO ON HAND--BHO WAS THE ONLY NAIVE SEN. TO OPPOSE THE WAR!

    Hell, the majority of Democrats (incl Hillary) voted for and/or approved the War after the attacks!
    C'mon Neos ... think about it buddy! If anything the fact that BHO voted against "PROTECTING AMERICA" at that particular moment in time, (IMHO) shows BAD JUDGEMENT ON HIS PART!!!

    Scary huh?

    (sorry if this post twice. Experiencing site difficulties)

    • Posted By: benkrapf @ 09/19/2008 3:01:43 AM

      Bush had all of the information necessary to make a moral decision, and yet he chose another option. McCain's morality is dubious at best. Obama's not perfect; at least he's married to the same woman he had his kids with.

    • Posted By: neos @ 09/18/2008 10:48:55 PM

      Not quite. Chalabi was selling us a bill of goods on Iraq and Obama was astute enough to see through it and through Bush's blatant attempt to coherce the CIA into giving a skewed intelligence. He was right then and he is right now.

  • Posted By: Notrepublican @ 09/19/2008 2:24:32 AM

    Wow SEA Observer, maybe you should just stick to your current occupation of observing the sea, and stay out of politics. Politics just isn't your thing.

  • Posted By: sirhc @ 09/18/2008 11:06:38 PM

    ISN'T IT HILARIOUS THAT OBAMA IS DOING BETTER WITH WOMEN "AFTER" THE PICK OF PALIN??!!!! TALKING ABOUT 15 MINUTES OF FAME....................MORE LIKE 15 SECONDS!

    • Posted By: SEA Observer @ 09/18/2008 11:21:18 PM

      Yep!.... 15 sec... that's most of lib women asked for....

  • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 09/18/2008 8:09:50 PM

    McCain has a longer record of bucking his party???s orthodoxy.
    http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2008/09/whos-the-better.html

    McCain, in Congress for 26 years to Obama's four, has the longer record of producing bipartisan alliances on tough issues. He has bucked his party again and again to do just that ??? on immigration, federal judges and campaign finance, to name three on which he enraged many Republicans by defying the party position and working with Democrats. McCain-the-maverick has reverted to party orthodoxy on taxes and other issues this year, which will put him in a bind if elected: Would he stick with those new positions, or compromise with the Democratic Congress he'd likely be working with?

    Obama's bipartisan accomplishments in Washington have been on significant, but relatively non-controversial, efforts to secure nuclear weapons and establish a federal-spending database. What he lacks is a record of challenging his own party on divisive, difficult issues ??? the deficit, immigration, energy ??? that he'd have to reach out to Republicans on if he's elected. Even with a Democratic majority in Congress, it takes 60 votes in the Senate to pass most major measures.

    None of this is to say Obama couldn't turn into a consensus-building, party-challenging president. Based on their records so far, though, it takes a greater leap of faith to believe that of him than of McCain.

    • Posted By: neos @ 09/18/2008 8:21:38 PM

      Senator Obama stood up not only to his party but to nearly the whole country when he courageously opposed the Iraq war. He was right, mcCain and was wrong. McCain has caved in to the far right wing of his party on every important issue during this campaign-including the adoption of Rove style dirty politics and the disasterous pick of Palin over Ridge. The 2000 Johm McCain would not vote for the 2008 version of himself.

      • Posted By: Concerned Ctzn @ 09/18/2008 8:59:56 PM

        Ohh Puleeeze Neos ... opposing the war by Obama was strictly a political move on his part. Why? It's all part of Manchurian Plan:

        "I'm the man with the crystal ball. I'm the only one with the ability to predict the future
        (about this sorry A$$ war). I'm your savior..."

        Puleeeze Neos! Save it!

        • Posted By: neos @ 09/18/2008 9:12:20 PM

          Senator Obama spoke out against going to war in Iraq in October 2002 when the rest of the country was blinded by bloodlust. That was a political move? He put his career on the line to take a principled stand on a crucial issue. Pity we did not listen then. Take your time and think before you post.

          • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 09/18/2008 9:23:13 PM

            You should think...Obama's base at that time was the Ultra Left Hyde Park crowd....he did not risk anything. It's actually what got him elected! Please take some time...please.

            • Posted By: neos @ 09/18/2008 9:54:07 PM

              In October of 2002 going against the prevailing national desire for blind revenge was not popular anywhere in this land, and if you had any degree of political astuteness you would see that.

              • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 09/18/2008 10:05:33 PM

                How can you be so obtuse....Hyde Park = Obama's constituency = Ultra Liberal = Anti-War at all costs.
                Obama did not risk anything going against the war.

                Here take a look at the roll call for House....8 of the 10 Illinois Dems voted Nay....Obama was just following his party not showing courage!

                http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2002/roll455.xml

      • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 09/18/2008 8:31:24 PM

        Here some news for ya...Obama has had more dirty ad so far than McCain....just another promise Obama has lied to you about.

        Recent Obama Ads More Negative Than Rival's, Study Says
        http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/17/AR2008091703581.html

        Obama's Senate Record tells a lot different story that you do...sorry I know your partisan and will spin anything for Obama...just let the record speak for itself.

        McCain has way more reform credentials than Obama. End of story...

        • Posted By: neos @ 09/18/2008 8:46:10 PM

          I notice that your brain did not process the word 'recent'. Senator Obama has every right to play tit-for-tat. Also there is a huge difference in negative ads and deceitful ads. the latter category being dominated by the McCain camp.
          Senator Obama is by far the more honest candidate. End of story...

          • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 09/18/2008 8:49:47 PM

            Where's your proof? Link perhaps...sorry but I know how partisan you are so I needs some verification....
            If you haven't noticed I post links.

            Barry has lied to you numerous times....how about him trying to take credit for the Stimulus Package? Not only did he not sponsor it, he didn't even vote on it...yet he claims to the ONE most responsible....if that's not a lie, then what is?

  • Posted By: SEA Observer @ 09/18/2008 9:10:16 PM

    Neos.... how about answering my question about Obama's cutting & editing Fiona's interview? Are you going to cut and run again tonight?

    Have another one for you: What do you think of those who invaded Palin's privacy and post her email online?

    • Posted By: neos @ 09/18/2008 9:24:20 PM

      Fiona who?

      • Posted By: SEA Observer @ 09/18/2008 9:34:21 PM

        Fiorina!... now go Google it!

        • Posted By: neos @ 09/18/2008 9:48:38 PM

          Now that Zombie has saved you from trying to explain what happened you want me to google it. Can't you explain it in your own terms,? Fox got your tongue?
          Anyways, Senator Obama did not lie, he used the part of Ms. Fiorina's statement that best supported him. Sort of like McCain saying obama will raise your taxes without the fine print that this is only true for those who make over 250k per year. We could ask Ms. Fiorina how she feels but it appears that she got thrown under the 'straight talk express' for being just a little too honest.

          as for the Pailin e-mail event. It's illegal and should not be condoned . Just like using you power as governor to settle personal grievances or refusing to honor a subpoena should not be condoned...

          • Posted By: SEA Observer @ 09/18/2008 10:02:33 PM

            So.... for the candidate of change... how is this "change" from the old Washington politics?

            Secondly... did you hear Obama (or Biden) coming out condemning the invading of privacy issue? No? Why? I tell you why: it is because they do not have integrity......

      • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 09/18/2008 9:29:55 PM

        Carly Fiorina

        • Posted By: neos @ 09/18/2008 9:38:33 PM

          Thank you SEA OBSERVER!! I was trying to make a point here before you butted in-that Sea Observer took a Faux News talking point and ran with it without really having all the facts first, to include the person's name. Sheesh.

          • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 09/18/2008 9:45:04 PM

            Well you haven't answered my questions from below...so I'll just answer yours. Now answer Sea's and My questions please.
            Why did Obama try to take credit for the Stimulus Package? How is that not a lie?
            Feel free to answer here or below if you want...

  • Posted By: SEA Observer @ 09/18/2008 9:56:28 PM

    Give me water, give me life
    Give me bread, give me health
    Give me tax cut, give me wealth
    Gime me Obama,........ give me hell!

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