The Holdouts

Thanks for the comments on the media too. They are a big help. When people who are not so bright anyway see them staying, it gives something to the cause for staying. If they can do it.....If not we have rescuers and programs we can lean on.

I'm really weary of hearing about how the government doesn't do enough or how messed up the response was for Katrina. Thank you for the comments about putting rescuers at risk tring to bail people out after they ignore obvious warnings from nature and the government. Because there people who live there and see this on a regular basis can't listen to standard terms, we must now "mandate" or insure possible death if you stay. Obviously, the one who stay in spite of warnings are not the brightest ones to start with. RThey are also the ones who want to be rescued off the rooftop first and then be first in line for the handouts over the next year. These rescue workers and public safety people ar real people with their own families....many of whom may be displaced by the storm.. Nobody wants to pay the taxes to have thousands of these extra people on standby, but when they fail to follow common sense guidelines, they want help now....and then it's never good enough....or fast enough. People who choose to put themselves in harms way need to take a little personal responsibility ( that's an old-fashioned idea) and deal with it. If you live in low areas on the coast where historically, people have died.....let's see...if that's not enough, when this government who doesn't do enough gives you a warning (as if you weren't watching TV)...and you still don't get it, then you need to take the consequences without risking the lives of people who are helping others in need.
Show a little respect for your public safety people. They are the ones you need to count on in an emergency....not when you plan it that way.
These are the people who have to restore order, control looting, fill body bags, and protect those coming back...How about a little respect for them. Responsibility 101

If any one dies because some (in That 70's Show's Red's language) dumb ass decided to holdout then he/she/it should be prosecuted for pre-mediated murder!!!

The emergency responders that must go and help these holdouts are our friends and families. They too, often have damage to their own homes and have families displaced while they work to rescue the many irresponsible or irrational ones who stayed. They have to fill the body bags and see to safety of people coming back....but all we ever hear is criticism for not doing enough. There'd be a lot less to do if we quit living on the edge or if you choose to do so, then take personal responsibility (an old term) for what you choose to do. Get out or take the consequences. I'm tired of hearing about Katrina. The reason emergency services were overwhelmed was the same issues we face today.There are too many people who can't take direction and want to do their own thing until they are in over their heads. Then....they expect everyone on the ready to bail them out.
These emergency workers are human beings. Show a little respect and quit asking for superhuman results when you dig your own hole.
It's amazing how people can be convinced that the government is responsible for these messes. The more harsh language is now necessary for the ones who just don't get it or assume that the government owes them something. Grow up and get some responsibility training! Media is a great help by standing out in it....we're ok...must not be that bad. Since a lot of these people are not too bright to start with....that helps even more.

One of the reatest disservice to people who have made the decision to stay is the constant coverage by news reporters who are standing out in the storm broadcasting away. The real message they are saying is that it is not all that bad--after all i can stand here and relatively safely report on the storm. Get them off the streets and use the many remote security cameras that exist and network them together and let that be the picture of destruction.

I think another part of the psychology of refusing to evacuate is that if the news teams and rescue teams can ride it out, so can they. So, it may be that with the authorities having people remain in the area, and the newscasters being there, it is a deterrent to the believability of the seriousness of the coming event. If the news teams and the authorities start raising their hands and screaming, "we're ALL gonna die!" that might light a fire under the holdouts.

It would appear that the majority of persons critizing the so-called holdouts have never experienced a mass evacuation It would not suprise me if they would be the first to advocate European or African type "Refugee camps"

Those of you in the path of a hurricane can just watch the news and see the devastation in the areas prior to hitting your area. We all also know any storm can change its path at the last minute. So now you have to ask yourselves when you see the devastation in another area, is it really worth the risk to stay, or do I inconvenience myself to make sure my family is safe? And I do remember watching news coverage of the aftermath of Katrina. Helicopters airlifting people (and children) off rooftops because they decided to "stay put and hunker down!!! Nothing wrong with being prepared!!! Try living in the Northeast. Our forecasters are often getting our forecast wrong. We're told a major blizzard, and end up with a couple of inches. We're told flurries, and get 30+ inches. Being prepared for the worst is the only way to stay safe. I still say shame on these people for putting innocent people at risk.

Comment True the media hypes things up, but their are times when common sense should take over. Why should the first responders put their lives on the line, for some moran to enjoy the thrill of the moment? Not only should they have to pay for services rendered-- but wait until they can rescue themselves. An if children are involved they should be placed in protective custody and pay for that also.

Bravo.......Bravo......Well, my work here is done.

Dispicable behavior by a bunch of 'holdouts' putting MY Fire and Rescue Services and subsequent families at serious risk to save your stubborn, hardheaded selves. You were all warned not to stay behind and furthermore you had the means to leave when you were asked to. Why should the rest of us allow these services to come 'save' you ? You were told of the risks, now it's time to pay the consequences. Call me mean and hard all you want, these people who ignored the warnings are placing the rescue services and disaster planning at risk and we should not enable this kind of behaviour by coming to rescue them before it is absolutly safe to do so. I know what I would have done, I'd gotten the heck out of there by whatever means because even a Cat 2 or above can cause too much damage and can threaten the lives of me and my loved ones. Katrina should have been the measure by which we were shown this...but no, we have hardheads, stubborness, ignorance and stupidity to have to put up with....it get's OLD after awhile.

I think it is absolutely idiotic that anyone would choose to ignore evacuation orders. they put not only thenselves and their families at high risk but also the military that has to come in afterwards and rescue their dumb a**es. the government should institute a fine where these idiots would have to cover the cost of their rescue even if it means they have years of payments to finally cover the cost. why should the country as a whole have to shoulder the financial responsibility of having to rescue someone that would not need to be rescued had they heeded the warnings of "certain death". and why should the military have to risk their own lives to save the same people. i think it ridiculous the mind set of some that believe they can overtly make stupid decisions that risk lives and believe the government is supposed to be there to save them in the aftermath. these are the same ones that will criticize the government for not doing enough. so i say make them pay and pay and pay, maybe then they will get out of the way when a huge monster storm with the predictions of certain death is headed their way.

There can be no excuse to expend public monies and have the lives of expensively trained emergency personnel risked on behalf of adults who choose to ignore repeated evacuation orders. Those who kept minor children with them ought to lose their children to child protection and serve years of jail time for endangering minors.

There can be no excuse to expend public monies and have the lives of expensively trained emergency personnel risked on behalf of adults who choose to ignore repeated evacuation orders. Those who kept minor children with them ought to lose their children to child protection and serve years of jail time for endangering minors.