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  • Posted By: Mwalimu @ 09/16/2008 5:33:47 PM


    Michael Isikoff and Mark Hosenball, missed on really fabulous gem which I saw in a press release that appeared in the Los Angeles Times on September 12. When Sarah Palin was mayor of Wasilla, the city billed victims of sexual assault for the rape kits and forensic exams saving the Wasilla tax payer from $ 300 to $1200. Wasilla was the only city in Alaska to do this. The practices stopped, only because Democratic representative Eric Croft was able to sponsor and pass a law forbidding cities from billing rape victims for rape kits. The biggest opponent of Croft???s law was Wasilla???s police chief Charlie Fannon, whom I assume Palin apponted in Stambaugh???s place.

    I might add that keeping the bars open until 5 AM, only increases the chances of rape, since testosterone-crazed males, abetted by a couple of whiskeys, simply cannot take NO for an answer.

    I have several questions. First what sort of human being would perpetuate this form of cruel and inhuman punishment? Furthermore, since Palin wears her religion on her sleeves, I must refer to the Book of James in the Bible, which clearly states that religious faith is measured only by one???s deeds. What sort of church does Palin belong to?

    Finally, if we define Palin NOT by what she says, NOT by what she believes, but actually what she does, do we really want somebody like this as vice president?

    • Posted By: mcgreen @ 09/16/2008 11:20:48 PM

      Well it's clear since Sara fought pushing bar closings from 5 am to 3 am that she only cared for the money the bar owners were donating to her campaign and not the little people.

      She is unfortunately just a typical republican.

      I cannnot believe McCain pontificating on how he will help the current economic meltdown! appoint a commission? what a helpless jerk. We know the republican mantra he has been preaching - regulation is bad.... so now the taxpayers have to pay for these bailouts. How fair is that? His corporate buddies getout with their golden parachute bonuses and we the taxpayers are left to pay the bill!

  • Posted By: ChrisLPNM @ 09/16/2008 9:26:19 PM

    Question for McCain / Palin supporters, the article says:

    "One big issue, Stambaugh said, was that he and other police chiefs had opposed a state-legislature bill to permit concealed weapons in schools and bars, which Stambaugh called "craziness." But Palin, elected with backing from the National Rifle Association, which lobbied for the bill, told him she was "not happy" with his position, and that the NRA wanted him fired, says Stambaugh. Palin told him he "shouldn't have done that," Stambaugh told NEWSWEEK. (Palin denied in a deposition that the NRA contacted her about the weapons bill.)"

    I seriously doubt the NRA asked Palin to have him fired - because I don't think the NRA really cares who the police chief is in a town of 7,000. So I absolutely believe her when she denies the allegation.

    But the article does not say if she was for or against carrying concealed weapons in schools and bars. I just can't believe any rationale person - and I believe Sarah Palin is rationale - would be in favor of that.

    I was unable to find anything on this. Does anyone know? And please don't just say no, she wasn't, and this is just another smear tactic by the liberal media, blah, blah, blah. Please provide a credible source, because I really am interested in her position on this.

    • Posted By: jiml1956 @ 09/16/2008 10:18:42 PM

      Newsweek has this story about it -

      http://www.newsweek.com/id/158769

    • Posted By: jiml1956 @ 09/16/2008 9:54:16 PM

      How about Alaskan newspaper story from back then -

      http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/background/story/521942.html

  • Posted By: greatmidwest @ 09/16/2008 10:11:22 PM


    It appears Governor Beauty Queen has a nasty side to her, no wonder McCain's campaign don't want her referred to as the "Barracuda" anymore. The last 8 years have been America's worst nightmare. If Obama-Biden can turn each battleground state BLUE this election, that would be Clinton's wet dream!

  • Posted By: Toomanylies @ 09/16/2008 9:34:43 PM

    . This is reagans wet dream come true. Deregulate until there is corporate self rule. (Ayn Rands Capitalism without a conscience) It is also Grover Lindquist, A Top Reagan and Bush Advisor, that advocated shrinking Government down to where you can fit it into a bathtub, and then drown it.
    Well, the last few days have sown what self restraint capitalism has. They did not care that they committed economic murder on the world. People like Angelo Mozillo from the Mafia Countrywide Financing will be set for generations.Liar. This is reagans wet dream come true. Deregulate until there is corporate self rule. (Ayn Rands Capitalism without a conscience) It is also Grover Lindquist, A Top Reagan and Bush Advisor, that advocated shrinking Government down to where you can fit it into a bathtub, and then drown it.
    Well, the last few days have sown what self restraint capitalism has. They did not care that they committed economic murder on the world. People like Angelo Mozillo from the Mafia Countrywide Financing will be set for generations. Those are the people that should be hung like Saddam. They hurt more people that he ever did. But and his company gave millions to the RNC and Bush over the last few years, so they will walk, as all economic criminals in tis country will.

  • Posted By: Thomasin @ 09/16/2008 8:36:45 PM

    Of all the possible choices, McCain chose a running mate whose views and values are the same as Bush.
    PALIN IS BUSH!
    I want change!
    McCain/Palin: The Bridge to Nowhere.

  • Posted By: trizin @ 09/16/2008 12:04:40 PM

    Palin is power hungery little girl. She is a gangster rude queen. And a racist. She does not respect the constitution. She is bad news to the global freedom. She will bring more hate to we Americans. She is not diplomatic. And not trust worthy of an American vote. She is already insulting the outside world. She is a no brainer.

    • Posted By: FRANLEMPA @ 09/16/2008 3:32:29 PM

      Enter Your Comment SHAME ON YOU . ONE REPORTER CALLED OBAMA -THE ANTICHRIST LOOK IT UP

      • Posted By: Toomanylies @ 09/16/2008 8:30:29 PM

        Fran you are aliar and an idiot. Obviously sent by the RNC. You are writing such drivel, that it is immediately discredited. 69 years old? And that is how smart you became. Sorry about your wasted life. And about the partial birth abortions and Obama. YOU ARE AN F****** Liar. He never ever voted on that.
        Why are you not worried about the tens of thousands of Born children we killed in Iraq. Is it because most of them are Muslim? What a country full of whackjob republican robots.

  • Posted By: FRANLEMPA @ 09/16/2008 3:34:51 PM

    LETS GET TO THE CRUX OF THE MATTER;SARAH PALIN HAD EVERY RIGHT TO GO AFTER HER BROTHER-IN-LAW;A STATE TROOPER WHO PHYSICALLY ABUSED HIS WIFE.I AM AN ER NURSE AND I AM AN ADVOCATE FOR WOMEN WHO HAVE BEEN ABUSED. SARAH PALIN HAD EVERY RIGHT TO PROTECT HER SISTER AND CHILDREN; YOU JUST SEEM TO MAKE IT SOUND LESS IMPORTANT BY SAYING A CUSTODY MESS. I HEARD YOUR CNN INTERVIEW AND I HAD TO REPOND.WOMEN WILL NOT TOLERATE ABUSE PLEASE REPORT ACCURATELY.IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE FOR OBAMA. I AM A DEMOCRAT WHO WILL SUPPORT SARAH PALIN.

    • Posted By: Toomanylies @ 09/16/2008 8:08:52 PM

      Don'd shout. It not polite. I can hear your shrill squeekie voice all the way over here in Hawaii.

  • Posted By: GD38 @ 09/15/2008 1:01:04 PM

    Ok WARNING here voters: Palin is PETTY and SMALL TOWN and will take that attitude to Washington. When splitting issues in the Senate, she won't vote with public interests in mind but with whomever has been nicest to her. This is not ONE incident. It is a PATTERN OF BEHAVIOR. She won't change. Why should she? She is riding her abusive power high all the way to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. "Down to earth, hockey mom my ***". Snow job is more like it.

    • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 09/15/2008 1:21:45 PM

      The polls prove your way of thinking wrong.

      Most people GET HER. And her and John Mc Cain are going to win so get used to another 8 to 12 years of her!

      • Posted By: GD38 @ 09/15/2008 2:06:42 PM

        Oh and they GET HER. Great. Good. That means the "average joe" is who is most like her. Perfect. Fabulous. JUST the kind of individual we want in the 2nd seat of THE most COMPLEX nation on earth. Her simplicity will come in REAL handy in dealing with Medvedev and Ahmadinejad. I'm sure they'll enjoy the insult of having a HOCKEY MOM treat with them. Oh wait, her solution is to go to war AGAIN. Brilliant. Wow America will be back on track in no time. Go Palin! Whoo hooo.

        • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 09/15/2008 2:18:07 PM

          You are supporting a DUMMY! During the beginning of what will likely be a huge recession with major banks failing left and right your moron candidate wants to raise taxes?

          Yeah, your parents must be REAL proud of you Einstein! haha

          • Posted By: GD38 @ 09/15/2008 2:50:23 PM

            Parents are dead so they are a non-issue. Beginning of recession and banks failing? Um, yah think you need to change your tense "Einstein". Taxes up, taxes down. Whatever. Rhetoric to get elected. The Fed and Congress have way more infuence over economic cycles than a President will ever dream they do. The choice to go to war however is not market driven but it is paid for with tax dollars (oh sorry we took out a loan for this one). And going back to Palin (remember these comments ARE about her) she seemed pretty eager to start another one to defend Georgia if they get inducted into NATO. How are we supposed to pay for that? And again what social program ever cost the country $10 billion a month? Please list them.

            • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 09/15/2008 3:32:33 PM

              Good question, GLAD YOU ASKED so I can educate you!

              Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid accounted for more than $1 TRILLION!

              You can not for 1 second NOT count those as social programs can you?

              Especially the ponzi scheme that Social Security is. You probably don't know this but business have to pay both sides of social security taxes so this is 12% up to first $102,000 of income. Obama wants to raise this to $250k maybe $500k, maybe 5 MILLION nobody really knows as he's always changing his PLAN. LOL

              To further EDUCATE you, here is projected GROWTH of Entitlement programs from 2007 to 2032!
              http://perotcharts.com/2008/05/projected-growth-of-entitlement-programs-from-2007-to-2032/

              These estimates ASSUME NO NEW PROGRAMS are added.

              Think that FREE HEALTH insurance might not raise these projections even higher?

              The US can NOT afford free health care for all of its citizens. I do agree with you that we can't afford the war much either but good think Mc Cain's surge worked and the war will be winding down over the next few years and its cost decreasing dramatically.

              • Posted By: Iconoblaster @ 09/15/2008 5:19:28 PM

                "You probably don't know this but business have to pay both sides of social security taxes". Thats one way of looking at it, but it is divorced from the real world, where "both sides" of social security are a cost of employment, and so, in the competition between businesses to attract and remunerate labor, would largely be paid AS WAGES were there no social security. If a worker's production was not of sufficient value to the company to pay ALL the costs of employing him, he wouldn't be hired; it makes no objective difference to the company who the costs are paid TO, only that the worker's productivity is sufficient to justify the expense. In the real world, therefore, it is the WORKERS who earn the taxed wages who pay "both sides" of social security.

                • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 09/15/2008 6:07:39 PM

                  You are overlooking ONE key component.

                  I pay 12% up to $102,000. Under Obama I will pay 12% up to maybe $500,000!

                  That means with JUST SOCIAL SECURITY taxes I will be paying $47,760 MORE SOCIAL SECURITY TAXES PER YEAR.

                  My business partner who we are 50/50 owners also must pay $47,760 MORE PER YEAR just for Social Security taxes.

                  Now magnify that amongst the tens of thousands of very successful small business across the US and tell me HOW THIS WON'T CAUSE FEWER NEW JOBS and probably job loss!

                  I've asked specific questions to many democrats on here over the last few weeks and NONE have answered. Please impress me as maybe being the ONLY intelligent Democrat on here and answer my question.

                  • Posted By: jiml1956 @ 09/15/2008 7:27:25 PM

                    I also looked forward to the time of year when my Social Security maxed out and my net pay went up. Will I miss that? Absolutely. Country First? Same answer, absolutely. But not with McCain.

                    • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 09/15/2008 9:35:17 PM

                      YOU control how much YOU make. The Government won't make YOU successful, only YOU will!

                      Why do SO MANY otherwise GOOD American's feel ENTITLED to other more successful people's money? Why should I after paying nearly 50% already give more to others who aren't even covering THEIR fair share when I can use MY money from MY WORK for MY FAMILY? I say all of you Democrats are thieves and very greedy.

                      • Posted By: MsMoopus @ 09/16/2008 7:44:01 PM

                        If business pays BOTH sides of the Social Security whats the deduction from my paycheck for SSA? Only SELF-EMPLOYED pay both sides - how do I know - worked on both sides of the equation as well been an employer.

          • Posted By: Ronnie Lyons @ 09/16/2008 12:37:27 PM

            Obama was the Editor of the Harvard Law Review. McCain graduated at the bottom of his class at Annapolis. So, who's the Dummy??!!!

      • Posted By: GD38 @ 09/15/2008 2:02:22 PM

        The polls huh. And they did a poll on polls. 85% of people said polls have NO bearing on how they vote. Most don't even follow them. If people are in a good or bad mood when they are polled it affects their answers. You just go right on ahead and cling to your polls. Remember Kerry's polling looked real good right up until they actually counted the votes. It works both ways.

        Oh and the VP and Presidential debates haven't even happened yet and you are already looking at the polls and claiming victory? Oh and what as that Obama raised another record amount of money just last month? Hmm, think he got that money from all the McCain supporter? Nah, me either. We'll talk again on November 5th.

        • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 09/15/2008 2:19:09 PM

          Obama is TRYING to find a way to get rid of Biden and put Hillary on the spot JUST BEFORE THE ELECTION!

          He he didn't dismiss women in general he would have done so earlier and sailed to the election and won. He's a moron and what's worse a SEXIST moron!

          • Posted By: GD38 @ 09/15/2008 2:33:55 PM

            Nice redirect and way to avoid the issues in my comment. You are obviously a veteran GOP memeber.

            • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 09/15/2008 6:48:06 PM

              You haven't answered ONE of my issues. Impress me by showing me your GREAT INTELLECT!

            • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 09/15/2008 2:45:53 PM

              No but a veteran SUCCESSFUL American who is part of the top 5% that pay 70% of the taxes. The guys who PAY your fair share!

              You are an IDIOT for not factoring in RACISM. Even Obama's signing up poor people at bus stops and felons in Florida won't get him over the "Bubba Factor" as the media is now calling it.

              Mc Cain is winning 270 electoral votes to Obama's 265 now and Pennsylvania and Michigan will tip his way due to the racism in white blue collar workers. You know it, and I know it. Mc Cain is also VERY likely to take Colorado also so the final electoral count will be

              Mc Cain 307 and Obama 238.

              Sorry for your loss. Don't let the door hit you on the way out you socialist thieving bastard! You think you're so smart yet aren't making much money. I always wonder how the liberals can think so highly of themselves when you haven't ACCOMPLISHED SH!T, just like Obama hasn't accomplished ANYTHING!

              • Posted By: Iconoblaster @ 09/15/2008 5:31:02 PM

                It is revealing that you expressly depend on RACISM to give your candidate the election, daytrader.

                • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 09/15/2008 6:10:40 PM

                  I'll take a win ANY way possible because I love this country and don't want it turned socialistic.

                  Don't worry the way the poor are reproducing and the way the Democratic controlled public schools are failing the DEMOCRATS will very soon DOMINATE and ruin this country.

                  I'm hoping its not for another 8 to 16 years so I can save up $20 - $30 million, put as much of it as possible OFFSHORE to protect it against moronic Democrat policies that devalue the dollar and destroy our economy.

              • Posted By: GD38 @ 09/15/2008 3:01:25 PM

                Wow. You really hurt my feelings. A total stranger is clever enough to call me a facist and an idiot. I just don't have any way to respond to that. You are too brilliant for me. And you obviously know everything about me including how much money I make. I bow to your power as must everyone who reads your comments. You have it all figured out. No need to hold an actual election we will just call you. I'm sure you feel so good now that you hid behind an anonymous post to insult a total stranger. Your courage is admirable, truly. I can not wait for the next barrage of insults. I bet you wish you could type in bold fonts as well as caps because then, man, you would have really put me in my place. In fact, with more insults you may even get me and everyone else in this forum to follow you to the polls and vote for McCain. So come on more name calling please. Come on I know you have it in you. Ooh I bet you wish you could use curse words don't you? Well if you are clever you can find a way I'm sure.

  • Posted By: tokitori @ 09/16/2008 6:29:35 PM

    I would like to copy this and use it -- it DOES look so clear and obvious, when spelled out like this.
    The Republican applicants would NEVER get the job.

    • Posted By: Toomanylies @ 09/16/2008 7:23:47 PM

      It is now in the public domain. Do as all the reublican operatives do. Send it to everyone you know. Post it on blogs etc. This is all researched fact, as oppose to all the lies that are being spread about Obama, with help of the daily email blasts from RNC operatives. Its time we take our Republic back from the brink, and make it the honest compassionate country we were. Then maybe we wont have to fear getting attacked by extremists. No more Extraordinary renditions. No more killing of hundreds of thousands of innocents in their homes. We went to Iraq to get a "Criminal" Saddam Hussein, yet in the first phase of our invasion, we killed more civilians that Saddam was accused of. Maybe we should send our leaders that took the USA down that road, to gain a foothold in Iraq, to the same court, to face the same fate as Saddam and his henchmen did. But I forget, American lives are worth at least 3000 Iraqui lives.

  • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 09/15/2008 2:24:27 PM

    "Obama is NOT going to raise MY taxes!!!" his dumb ass followers say.

    You've hit on the fallacy of the belief that the economy is a closed system, i.e. that there is only so much money to go around therefore all one has to do is redistribute it and things will be great.

    The reality is that economies are open systems where there can be more or less total wealth. Increasing taxes, even on "just the rich" has a ripple effect on the economy that causes prices to go up and a loss of jobs, generally in the lower income levels. Just the opposite, tax cuts have been proven time and time again to cause a "trickle down" effect that spurs consumption and creates jobs.

    Rich people don't horde their money to look at it. They spend it. So when someone buys a car, yacht, or big new house, there need to be people who make these things, people who move the goods, people who mine or grow the materials used to make the goods, etc.

    I wish I knew where it was, but I read a report I believe by the Rand Corporation, that tax increases or cuts have something like a 4-6 fold influence on the GDP (one dollar tax increase reduces the GDP by 4-6 dollars and vice versa).

    Of course, you'll never get some people who are obsessed by class warfare rhetoric to gain and hold political power to actually acknowledge this. But then again, I don't see and Pelosi's, Kennedy's, Obama's, etc. relinquishing their wealth to the poor and adopting a less opulent lifestyle.

    • Posted By: GD38 @ 09/15/2008 2:41:03 PM

      Yes and it is the spending of the affluent that has created Wal-marts success. A millionaire still only has one mouth and needs only one toothbrush. The top income producers (all 4% of them) do not drive GDP. Duh. How much of the weath obtained here is being sent and invested overseas where it is increasingly NOT being spent here due the instability in our financial markets?

      • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 09/15/2008 2:58:51 PM

        You truly ARE as dumb as I thought you were.

        First lets not forget that the top 10% income earners pay 70% of the TAXES!
        http://www.heritage.org/research/features/BudgetChartBook/fed-rev-spend-2008-boc-T4-The-Top-10-Percent-of-Income.html

        So lets THINK about this. The rich are ALREADY being raped by the US tax code. Increasing taxes on income, capital gains, social security and on and on is going to cause US rich to do business OFFSHORE, to put our money OFFSHORE (already over $11 trillion of US citizen money offshore and sure to double, triple under Obama's huge tax increases), and jobs will be sent offshore.

        Why should I, a successful business person pay MORE taxes than I already am (I'm probably paying 20 times more than this idiot does), pay more capital gains tax, pay $11,000 per employee to pay for Obama's health plan, pay tens of thousands more in social security taxes?

        My question to you is WHY would I do this? Why would ANY successful business do this after we're already being raped and people like you don't even pay YOUR fair share?

        The answer is we won't. It's so easy to setup a bearer share Panama corporation. Get a merchant account there and take credit cards OFFSHORE, no taxes. Then setup Swiss accounts, trade overseas, invest overseas. MONEY OUT OF THE US ECONOMY!

        That's why when you raise taxes, especially capital gains taxes, it LOWERS taxes collected. It's been proven twice I think. Obama's an idiot and my assumption is you are too for not understanding simple Economics 101.

        • Posted By: naenae @ 09/15/2008 6:36:36 PM

          They should pay more in taxes you dumb ass! If you read all of the statistics associated with your topic, not just the ones that suit your slanted purposes, you will see that there is a HUGE!!! disparity in income between those top earners and the lower. If they were truly paying in effect the same tax rates, the taxes they should be paying would be even higher. When you tell all these half-truths, you start to sound just as stupid as.... McCain!

          • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 09/15/2008 9:27:00 PM

            I'm SOOO SORRY for you that you are too dumb to have made it in america, to fail and not be a success.

            But that being the case I'm not going to FURTHER pay YOUR fair share for you. 50% of income earners pay little or no tax. The top 10% pay 70%.

            This economy needs to grow its middle class and provide PRO BUSINESS policy. I've read about 80% of new jobs come from small business owners. Taxing the hell out of SMALL business just creates FEWER jobs.

            Now answer my question HOW is Obama going to increase all these taxes in the beginning of a big recession and STILL CREATE 5 million new jobs? I've answered every stupid question now YOUR TURN.

            People reading this look through the posts and realize NOT ONE PERSON has answered HOW Obama is going to create 5 million new jobs. They are as CLUELESS as Obama! Poor (literally) bastards.

            • Posted By: jiml1956 @ 09/16/2008 3:45:30 AM

              You might want to look at -

              http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/06in34tr.xls

              Tax generated is highest for the 35% group (as it should be), but next highest revenue comes from the 25% group.

              • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 09/16/2008 7:17:35 PM

                Did you NOT know that those in the HIGHEST bracket also pay PART of their income at the LOWER ones?

                It's a graduated scale! This proves nothing other than you've never had a high income to realize this!

        • Posted By: GD38 @ 09/15/2008 3:26:52 PM

          What I find interesting it that people like yourself, conservative business know-it-alls, with all their "Economics 101" crap were still suckered into securities they didn't understand. People like you cling to your numbers and totally omit the human factor in the economy. Most of the data you spew is text book and hindsight driven. But that kind of knowledge did nothing to avoid the state we are in now. So you are not intimidating me or impressing me at all. The truth is no one knows jack right now. Anyone who says otherwise, yourself included, is just far to impressed with the sound of their own voice to hear anything else. So insult away, call me an idiot, whatever makes you happy. Far beit from me to take away the little things for you.

          • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 09/15/2008 3:35:52 PM

            I didn't lose 1 penny in the stock markets or with junk CMOs. In my own investing I do 3 to 5 day swing trading and also day trade currencies.

            Explain to me how TIME AFTER TIME tax increases, especially capital gains ones REDUCE taxes but in Obama's case it magically won't happen?

            If you're so smart explain to me how I'm wrong instead of changing the subject.

            Obama's taxes will REDUCE jobs probably 3 to 5 million during his first 4 years. It will initially raise prices and the Fed can't raise rates due to the recession as its hands are tied.

            Explain how Obama will CREATE 5 million jobs in the face of his huge tax increases?

            • Posted By: jiml1956 @ 09/15/2008 4:54:03 PM

              Wow, the S&P is down 20 percent in the past year and you didn't lose a penny???

              Either you are very, very good or you are a liar.

              • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 09/15/2008 6:03:53 PM

                Most people BUY stocks. Traders buy strong stocks when the S&P is going up and SHORT stocks when the S&P is falling! You make money shorting them when markets fall. Hedge fund managers do the same whereas most of the public has mutual funds that I believe can only buy stocks.

                I use software I created that analyzes EVERY stock as a percentage of the S&P and look at its VWAP (Volume average weighted price). If that stock is above its VWAP on the day I times it by its percentage in the S&P. I do this for every stock. So if 60% of the weighted stocks are above VWAP I use my stock scanner I wrote to find the STRONGEST stocks and also make sure their sector strength is strong too, ie I won't buy a housing stock if the housing sector is weak). If the market is weak and 60% of stocks are UNDER their vwap then I short the weakest stocks in the weakest sectors and make money when they fall.

                Of course this is only my STOCK strategy the methods I use to trade the S&P futures and Foreign currency markets are more sophisticated and since that is 90% of my trading I am not going to disclose my methods at all for these markets. It also helps to be able to program, most people could not do what I do as private investors.

                So in a nutshell any serious PROFESSIONAL trader can make money in up OR down markets.

                I LOVE DOWN DAYS LIKE TODAY because volatility is through the roof and you only need to short stocks to make your money.

                As I said above I don't OWN any stocks, only daytrade and swing trade them. Losing trades I'm out of day trades in 10 to 30 minutes and swing trades usually 1 day!

                • Posted By: jiml1956 @ 09/15/2008 6:13:44 PM

                  ok, I'm with you so far. What data source do you use?

                  • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 09/15/2008 6:41:12 PM

                    eSignal

                    • Posted By: jiml1956 @ 09/15/2008 6:59:47 PM

                      Thanks for the esignal reply. I used to use metastock and was just curious.

                      • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 09/15/2008 9:32:32 PM

                        No problem. eSignal is ok but we mainly use it because they have 150+ bank feeds for Forex and we measure tick volume for our forex automated trading systems. The data is ok, Metastock is pretty good but I believe data is more expensive. We don't use esignal's program, just their data. Some of our brokers we are partners with pay for the esignal data for our close to 2,000 members because they are contributors to eSignal and thus pay very little for each account.

                  • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 09/15/2008 6:46:19 PM

                    Now that I answered ALL YOUR QUESTIONS please be so kind to answer mine!

                    How is Obama in the face of what is likely to be a huge recession (we can't turn around until homes start selling, we eat up the foreclosure inventory and banks start lending and I doubt any of us think this mess will be fixed in under 1 to 3 years) CAN OBAMA say he will CREATE 5 MILLION NEW JOBS?

                    His HUGE taxes on income, social security, capital gains, oil industry taxes which WE will all pay for, his cap and trade ideas will DESTROY American jobs! He will likely destroy more jobs than any president!

                    Bush created 6 million new jobs and ignoring minorities white's income after inflation went up 9.6%. Why doesn't the media report that and instead uses the stat that has the MILLIONS of illegal immigrants in it which most of are poor? Liberal bias maybe? LOL

                    • Posted By: jiml1956 @ 09/15/2008 7:06:48 PM

                      Srry, but I can't answer your questions and don't know that Obama will do what you say.

                      I'm a 52 year old white male and have always voted Republican. But not his year. Not sexist, but if Obama had picked Hillary, I would not have voted for them because I can't stand the Clintons.

                      I'm not voting for McCain because Palin was an idiotic choice pandering for women's vote. If he had picked Romney or Lieberman, I'd still be on the fence or on the Republican side.

                      Just tired of the same old lies.

                      • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 09/15/2008 9:30:19 PM

                        ok fair enough. I can understand your wondering about Palin. When I first saw her as the pick I thought to myself DOES HE WANT TO LOSE? Then I heard her speak and read about her and while I wouldn't in a million years say she is the MOST qualified to be VP I'd also say that NOBODY running is the MOST qualified to be President. Obama is an idiot and his policies are moronic. Mc Cain is also an idiot but his policies won't hurt America! No brainer for me and I believe Mc Cain will help America be safer as well with lower taxes.

            • Posted By: GD38 @ 09/15/2008 4:07:55 PM

              See other post. :)

              • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 09/15/2008 5:44:18 PM

                Thought so, typical Democrat ploy redirection. I'll post the issues above and you answer them to the best of your ability.

          • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 09/15/2008 5:55:44 PM

            you might like this article to shed a bit more light on the power of the wealthy and their spending habits on the economy.

            http://www.mlive.com/saginawnews/opinion/index.ssf/2008/08/editorial_little_sympathy_for.html

          • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 09/15/2008 5:54:19 PM

            Want more proof that taxing the rich will hurt the poor and middle class - Top 10% of high income households represent 25% of consumer spending.

            So your premise about walmart and that the rich only need 1 tooth brush, etc isn't completely flawed it does GROSSLY under represent the POWER that the spending by the rich DO HAVE on this economy.

            When the economy slows down like it is now EVERYBODY cuts back. Now I'm not the ultra rich just a successful small business owner. My business is growing because we're in one of the fastest growing segments of the financial services industry and I have customers in over 45 countries. I do know other business owners and across the board they've seen HUGE cuts in their business and many have fired employees and don't see growth coming for a long time.

            RAISING TAXES now is just suicidal for the economy and I really can't see how Obama can't see this! How can his followers NOT SEE this?

        • Posted By: Iconoblaster @ 09/15/2008 4:24:00 PM

          I feel so sorry for the poor, downtrodden wealthy elites. Sad that they have been so viciously "raped by taxation" in this evil country (that made it possible for them to BE so wealthy in the first place)... it is a small mercy that, after the depredations of the evil tax man, they are now only preposterously wealthy, instead of obscenely rich. What terrible woe if this awful rapine were to become so much worse that career day traders might eventually have to find real jobs, and perform real, productive work.

  • Posted By: KWEnglish @ 09/16/2008 7:16:11 PM

    In the midst of all the other points in this article, did anyone catch that she is advocating for "a state-legislature bill to permit concealed weapons in schools and bars"? I suppose that would be one way to reduce the budget for some schools....no need to worry about metal detectors or security guards; just legalize the concealed weapons!

    Even if you find fault with the main idea of this article, can't we agree that allowing concealed weapons in schools, after Columbine et. al., is grotesque?

  • Posted By: valark @ 09/16/2008 3:41:12 PM

    If you are going to bring up the rape kit issue at least have the decency to say it correctly. She had it billed to their insurance or medical/medicare/medicaid...she didn't have them pulling out their checkbook.

    • Posted By: Toomanylies @ 09/16/2008 7:15:43 PM

      And all those that were uninsured payed for it, or were billed, as my cousin was

    • Posted By: mystupidPOV @ 09/16/2008 6:39:07 PM

      And that "fact" makes a difference?

    • Posted By: wnantell @ 09/16/2008 6:06:41 PM

      Why is it ok to bilk the insurance companies? Who do you think they ultimately turn to to pay, the rate payers! Every time we find ways to abuse the health care insures, we add to the health care costs. Then we wine about the costs of insurance.

  • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 09/15/2008 5:47:58 PM


    SUMMARY

    So as you can see what most people want, a thriving economy, lower taxes, JOBS, Job Security you can NOT

    have with Obama!

    Energy policy will be forced to change due to the high oil prices and the technology to do this has already

    been developed! You don't need Obama for this!

    The ONLY reason to vote for Obama is if you have enough money to survive the economic collapse under him,

    you don't need a job or an income and you are pissed at Bush for the war! Even though it looks now that the

    Iraq war is winding down on its own and we will come home victorious and with honor!

    I hope this helps Democrats UNDERSTAND where Republicans are coming from and I also hope it helps you

    UNDERSTAND the ISSUES more clearly. Maybe now you will understand the ANGER us Republicans have at all the

    idiotic policies Obama has and how they will destroy America.

    • Posted By: Sankari @ 09/15/2008 10:57:35 PM

      Hey Jackas$$! Are you even listening to yourself?! You talk about democrats being morons, do you not realized it was the republicans who brought us to this situation in America? When Clinton left office we were paying $1.40 for gas and we didnot have our financial institutions taking turns going down the tubes! Bush basically swooped in and threw it all away! Bush has increased our national debt and the size and oversight of our government! How can you say that Obama is going to tank the US economy?! Do you honsestly think things can get worse you big idiot! It is people like you who sit there and vote for idiots like Bush and McCain who have brought us all into this nightmare!!

      • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 09/16/2008 7:13:27 PM

        First gas was $2.20, it was even on the Liberal loving Chris Matthews show today as he did the comparisons.

        Oil futures DETERMINE the oil prices. When Clinton left we didn't have the BOOM from India and China. That has more to do with the rise in oil prices than anything ANYBODY did or didn't do in government.

        I don't blame you for being pissed off because many people can't afford gas prices now and it makes them angry but I'm not going to let you place false blame on Bush when its you who doesn't understand the complexities of international economies and the GROWTH in China and India. China has subsidized oil and gas for its citizens which also INCREASED demand. It's way more complex to explain to you in a short post but you are 100% wrong in your opinions.

        Now our financial mess is the same way. Don't you blame the MILLIONS of US Citizens who as their homes went up kept BORROWING and borrowing on their homes and when the bubble burst they couldn't pay it back? Or the greed on Wall Street creating CMO's which are highly leveraged and high risk due to so many of the mortgages were written on people who COULD NOT AFFORD the homes they bought!

        I will say it LOOKS bad for Republicans and most people are MORONS and don't understand some of the complex mortgage investments which lead to Merrill, Leeman, Fanny and Freedie issues, banks, insurance companies, mutual funds, etc, etc losses.

        We're in a COMPLEX world and people hear CHANGE and they like the way it sounds but don't understand 1% of what they NEED to know to make a n INFORMED opinion. Your post just further illustrates this!

  • Posted By: Toomanylies @ 09/16/2008 7:08:53 PM

    Maybe I am lying like carreerdaytrader, Bush, Cheney and al the other warcriminals that have been the enablers of the deaths of 4100+ Us troops, looking for the non-existent weapons of mass destruction, in a country that had no Al Qaida terrorists before our imbecille President and Secretary of Defense enabled them into Iraq. I just copied that, because it is so true. You were unable to refute the truth.

  • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 09/15/2008 5:48:08 PM



    ENERGY

    In this aspect Obama isn't a TOTAL MORON! I agree this country NEEDS to look for alternative energy

    sources. I doubt there are ANY people who don't agree with this.

    Where Obama goes wrong is to NOT DRILL NOW.

    For those who don't understand international economies and how prices are set let me explain.

    Oil prices are set in the OIL FUTURES markets. It's not just supply and demand that has traders setting

    prices its the FUTURE EXPECTATIONS of supply and demand as well!

    Did anybody notice that the price of oil fell from about $150 per gallon to under $110 per gallon ever since

    President Bush released the executive order against offshore drilling?

    For those of us who occassionally trade energy WE HAVE NOTICED!

    Yes its true that allowing more drilling is NOT THE LONG TERM SOLUTION but if America makes the commitment

    to doing it the OIL FUTURES markets will price oil lower NOW and keep it less than it WOULD BE.

    So in a nutshell drilling will keep gas prices lower.

    This is a policy that will HELP THE POOR. An extra $20-50 per week LESS GAS PRICES can go a long way to

    helping the poor and middle classes!

    Now on Obama's side we also need wind, solar, geothermal, NUCLEAR, clean coal technology as well.

    We also need to INVENT the low cost, light weight, high performance electric car battery.

    The good news on that is Japanese automakers have already done this and it won't be long before those cars

    are sold in the US ONCE electric companies increase their capacities and work out the logistics of this.

    The Japanese have done this in Japan and they are rolling their cars out globally from 2010 to 2012!!

    http://news.uk.msn.com/newsweek.aspx?cp-documentid=9496081


    We need to focus on nuclear energy which is the cheapest and improving the car battery to allow power,

    performance and GREATER distances per charge of 50 miles. THis will happen soon WITH OR WITHOUT OBAMA!

    Obama KNOWS this technology is already near completion and wants to claim credit once he's President for

    this! It's crazy to give him ANY credit for hybrid or electric cars and green energy sources, the decades

    of work and research happened well before him and continues now and will into the future even with Mc Cain

    as President!

    • Posted By: jiml1956 @ 09/15/2008 6:09:32 PM

      Any comment on the Alaskan state taxes on oil produced in their state? 89% of the state budget comes from Alaska taxes on the oil companies. Care to guess who pays for the Alaska taxes?

      • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 09/15/2008 6:40:11 PM

        So you are saying that Alaska taxing oil companies when approx 20% of US oil consumption comes from Alaska is THE SAME as the National Government doing so?

        Exxon paid 10 BILLION 500+ MILLION in taxes last quarter. Their stock symbol is XON go to finance DOT yahoo DOT com and put this in and look at their income statement. Don't forget to add 000 to the numbers as they are in thousands.

        Democrats LIE that big oil are getting HUGE tax breaks! Their NET income was only about $11 BILLION and they paid 10.5 BILLION in taxes. They are paying enough taxes. Most economists agree that lowering their taxes would help the working poor and middle class NOT raising it or having windfall taxes.

        Lets also not forget that the price of oil has fallen from about $150 to 93.86!
        http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/commodities/energyprices.html

        As oil prices FALL big oil makes less money.

        You Democrats probably don't even know that oil has fallen, what its price is, how Exxon and other oil companies are taxed. You guys really crack me up, bringing your spit wad guns to a knife fight and I have a M16 Automatic Rifle. haha

        • Posted By: jiml1956 @ 09/15/2008 6:55:37 PM

          My question is about whether Palin is gouging the lower 48 by taxing 75% of profits on oil produced in Alaska and they base it on a $25 per barrel price.

          • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 09/15/2008 9:21:49 PM

            Cite your sources and then I'll debate you, pure nonsense. I posted my sources for Exxon's 10 BILLION 500+ MILLION of taxes. Now post your source.

            Secondly I could care less about Palin this is an election about a war hero who will keep government small, low taxes and PRO BUSINESS! Obama has no experience, wants huge government, high taxes and huge new welfare programs. He was against the Welfare reforms of early 90s and NOW takes credit for it. Talk about Lying SCUM BAGS. He also won't even help his brother George in Kenya who lives on $1 to $2 a day! I pay a FORTUNE in taxes, he won't help his brother, none of you even pay your fair share of taxes and expect the rich to cover your WORTHLESS butts

            • Posted By: WorthFULL @ 09/15/2008 11:03:07 PM

              Excuse me who ever the heck you are... but my butt has probably worked harder than yours ever has so don't you DARE call me worthless because I don't pay the taxes that you do! I pay my fair share and then some! When's the last time YOU gave your last dime to someone who needed it worse than you! Ignorant --- Just like the white haired wrinkled dude that probably won't live through the stress of his first term. Yes he did in the war he was a POW BUT that was many years ago. Palin IS an issue because she will be the one that runs the country when his clock runs out. Worthless? Take a look in the mirror and you'll find the meaning of worthless!

              • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 09/16/2008 6:57:07 PM

                I've BEEN POOR before. I've tried to charge a burger on my debit card and been declined. I know how it feels but what pisses me off is Obama's class warefare!

                The top 10% pay 70% of the tax. You all should be GRATEFUL because without us this country couldn't run. Yet instead of your praise and appreciation YOU ALL want to tax us more even though we are paying 20 to 100+ times mORE tax than you. Explain how this is fair?

                What we need is a tax plan that doesn't tax the first 30k of income. Then after that everybody pays 25% with NO DEDUCTIONS. That would be fair. If I make 10x more I pay 10x more and 50% would still pay ZERO TAXES

            • Posted By: jiml1956 @ 09/16/2008 3:02:53 AM

              I'm sure there are better sources, but try looking at the Alaska state website -

              http://omb.alaska.gov/

              Go to the Revenue Forecast link on the right side.

              Funny thing is the geniuses in Alaska thought oil prices would fall from $72 per barrel. Maybe they should have been looking at India and China instead of gazing across the straits to Russia.

        • Posted By: naenae @ 09/15/2008 6:59:30 PM

          daytrader,
          How can you look at yourself in the mirror every day when you lie like that! You have distorted the facts so badly on this one, that I don't even want to take the time to break them down. Numbskulls like you will never get it and aren't worth my time to try. All other reasonable voters out there, I urge you to take the time and gather all of the TRUE facts. Remember, daytrader admitted he didn't care about lying as long as it got him what he wanted. Keep that in mind when you read anything he has to say, and keep it in mind when you read or see anything MCCain has to say as well!

          • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 09/15/2008 9:18:37 PM

            Ok moron I will help you learn the facts.

            I can sense from your lack of understanding you have never read an income statement.

            Go to finance DOT yahoo DOT com and search for XOM. Then go to income statement and you will see exactly how much taxes they paid.

            http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=XOM

            Under Operating Income you will see taxes paid in thousands 10,526,000

            SInce you're a Democrat and obviously an idiot I'll take it ONE step further, add 000 to the end.

            10,526,000,000 this is 10 BILLION 526 MILLION in taxes last quarter (thats 3 months to you morons on here)

            • Posted By: judvare @ 09/16/2008 11:07:32 AM

              Idiot, I read Exxon's balance sheet, taxes are not the major problem, but the cost of revenue is!

              Mobil made 138 billion in revenue in the fist quarter, ending june 30, 08. Cost of revenue was 87 billion.

              But without a breakdown of Mobil's actual expenses besides the obvious , drilling, Oil tankers, refinery, shipping to franchise gas station owners, how much of that 87 billion expense goes to the country we are extracting the crude oil from?

              Complaining about US taxes, less than 10% of total revenues , 10.5 billion to 138 billion on Mobil doesn't explain 87 billion cost of revenue?

              I assume Mobil gets the bulk of it's crude from multiple countries, some like the Middle East and South America that are dictatorships, unfriendly to our interests, that are taxing Mobil big time for exploration of thier land. So Mobil is paying multiple taxes to drill and export oil.

              To single out US taxes as the major cost of Mobil's revenues is ignoring all the other costs of exploration and makes a compelling argument for our oil driven economy to rely less on oil but alternative fuel sources.

              The problem is that reducing our energy needs on Oil hurts bottom line profits of all Oil companies. So, until crude becomes a scarce resourse, Oil companies will do everything in thier power politically to discourage innovation and technology that would help our country, economically and security wise, since we are dealing with coutries that hate us.

              Your problem, Sir, is that you simplify the energy problem by blaming US corporate taxes only, your not looking at all the factors that make oil exploration so lucrative but costly.

              • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 09/16/2008 6:53:31 PM

                Hey I am not disagreeing with you that we NEED alternative and self sustaining energy. Only the biggest moron in the world would disagree with you on that.

                There are SOME technologies that will help but there is NO SOLUTION that will meet ALL of our energy needs!

                I was only pointing out that the oil companies are paying hUGE taxes NOW. Their net income was about the SAME amount they paid in taxes so they aren't really raping America and considering the futures markets SET oil prices you can't blame them.

                I agree with John Mc Cain we need to do it ALL. Drill, solar, wind, geothermal, electric cars and conservation by more fuel efficient cars and eventually battery powered, nuclear, etc.

                Obama and Mc Cain do not DISAGREE on this issue other than Obama really refuses to help reduce oil prices now by drilling. The futures markets SET the price and they've fallen $150 to $95 since Bush lifted executive ban on offshore drilling. It may be years before the new supply hits but that COMMITMENT WILL reduce oil prices in the short term. Anybody who has ever traded oil futures knows this.

        • Posted By: judvare @ 09/16/2008 12:49:49 AM

          careerdaytrader, the US gets 3.5% of it's oil from Alaska, not 20%.

          Question, Allen Greenspan, you heard of him, says McCain's tax cuts will kill the economy. With a 4 trillion dollar deficit left by Bush, much of it fueled by the Iraq War, 350 million dollars a day, 80 billion already, and with McCain having no plan to leave Iraq who believed in tax cuts, where are we going to get the revenues to pay for this war?

          Could it be that the republicans disasterous war in Iraq is killing our economy?

          By the way, economics are nice to argue in theory, but the average American doesn't make 6 figure incomes. Most Americans household's make anywhere from 30 to 50,000.

          Your ranting about paying taxes on your business is understandable but try living on 30 grand to 50 grand a year with the US the cost of living and support a family?

          So don't come crying to me about your problems running a business!

          You will still make more than most tax payers buddy.

          I'm voting for Obama because we have to get out of Iraq, if we don't , the recession is just starting.


          • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 09/16/2008 6:48:05 PM

            I was not always successful and DID live on $25k to $60k for many years as well as some years off of savings from my first business.

            I agree that Iraq war is expensive and I WISH we weren't there. I wish 9/11 never happened too but do we just ignore the Islamic threat and HOPE they don't attack us again? Clinton could have taken Obama, upps I mean Osama out and failed to act. Obama is also weak. The cost of the Iraq ware is NOTHING compared to the damage if a nuclear dirty bomb is let off in America!

            What's your plan, pull out of Iraq and HOPE they don't attack us again? But what do we do if they do? We're screwed!

            I always try to plan my life and business on the WORST CASE SCENARIO!

        • Posted By: jiml1956 @ 09/16/2008 3:08:40 AM

          So do you want a cap on corporate taxes?

          If XOM pays 100 billion in taxes it means they made significantly more than that?

    • Posted By: naenae @ 09/15/2008 6:50:53 PM

      Again your complete lack of understanding of common economics is staggering! Even if we were to drill every possible place we could possibly drill, starting now (and remember YOUR candidate has only recently flip-flopped his stance on this particular topic), we will NEVER EVER be able to meet all of our own needs, EVER!!!
      And the price of oil is not governed just by us. By the time we get that far down the road, the WORLD markets will have more of an effect on prices than they do even now. China and India, to name a few countries, are outgrowing our usage by leaps and bounds. The ONLY way we can become oil independent is to DRASTICALLY reduce our oil dependence, period. The money spent on drilling would be MUCH more prudently spent on finding those alternative. sources. As much as you Republicans would like to convince this country that we have access to limitless amounts of money, we do not. We would all go broke trying to finance both drilling and alternatives. Lets pick the much more viable and long-reaching option of alternatives and concentrate our LIMITED finances there!

      • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 09/15/2008 9:14:34 PM

        Where do oil prices get set? I want to test YOUR knowledge! I suspect you don't know. Then we'll debate this.

        • Posted By: jiml1956 @ 09/16/2008 3:30:03 AM

          Oil prices are set in the open market. But the Alaska government forecasted oil prices in the $60 range according to the Alaska Office of Management and Budget.

          http://www.tax.alaska.gov/programs/documentviewer/viewer.aspx?255

          Brilliant!!!!

          • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 09/16/2008 6:44:11 PM

            Oil prices are set in the NYMEX futures and other oil futures exchanges around the world.

            It's NOT ONLY supply and demand driven but also expectations of future demand and also future supply.

            Oil started falling when Bush lifted the executive ban on offshore drilling. NOBODY can argue with this. That started the fall. I do every once in awhile trade oil and always do my research before placing a trade as its such a leveraged market and you can make a lot or lose a fortune in a day or two if you bet wrong.

            The strong US dollar over the last two months also eased oil prices as well as expected demand due to global economic slow downs.

            My point is the economy is COMPLEX. I don't understand it totally myself, probably nobody on these boards do either. Obama has no clue and neither does Mc Cain. BUT bigger government and HUGE tax increases will hurt America more than Mc Cain's smaller government, NO EARMARKS and also lower taxes.

  • Posted By: Toomanylies @ 09/16/2008 6:50:21 PM

    I'm a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight..... * If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're "exotic, different." * Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, a quintessential American story. * If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim. * Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you're a maverick. * Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable. * Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded. * If you spend 3 years as a community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee,


    spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience. * If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive. * If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian. * If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian. * If you teach teach children about sexual predators, you are irresponsible and eroding the fiber of society. *




    If, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state's school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant, you're very responsible. * If your wife is a Harvard graduate laywer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America 's. * If you're husband is nicknamed "First Dude", with at least one DWI conviction and no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that hates America and advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable. Oh, let me add -- If your wife was addicted to prescription drugs, went through some rehab in lieu of jail time, and also stole from her charity) -- well then you're even better qualified to be President! OK, much clearer now.

  • Posted By: Toomanylies @ 09/16/2008 6:49:53 PM

    I'm a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight..... * If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're "exotic, different." * Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, a quintessential American story. * If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim. * Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you're a maverick. * Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable. * Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded. * If you spend 3 years as a community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee,


    spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience. * If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive. * If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian. * If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian. * If you teach teach children about sexual predators, you are irresponsible and eroding the fiber of society. *




    If, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state's school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant, you're very responsible. * If your wife is a Harvard graduate laywer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America 's. * If you're husband is nicknamed "First Dude", with at least one DWI conviction and no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that hates America and advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable. Oh, let me add -- If your wife was addicted to prescription drugs, went through some rehab in lieu of jail time, and also stole from her charity) -- well then you're even better qualified to be President! OK, much clearer now.

  • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 09/15/2008 9:40:12 PM

    Ok enough name calling.

    Please somebody tell me how Obama is going to create 5 million NEW jobs while increasing government spending trillions of dollars to pay for health insurance for everybody and having the HUGE new taxes on income, social security, capital gains, etc!

    I've posted on many forums for weeks and NOT ONE DEMOCRAT will tell us HOW Obama plans to do this IMPOSSIBLE task at the beginning of what will likely be a huge recession. Huge banks are failing every day and moronbama wants to raise taxes!

    • Posted By: max in fl @ 09/16/2008 8:50:32 AM

      Trader

      McCain said the economy is fine, where do you get your facts from? That's why we can afford to take our time to find Bin Laden, as long as it takes we'll just tighen our belts alittle more, This is ALL the democrats fault, Bush reaaly wanted to help the economy but this war took up most of his time. It will unfortunately ALSO take up most of McCain's time too if he's elected. .He'll get around to economy AFTER he kills every terrorist in the world.

      You'll love McCain until he turns around he tells you, if we are to continue fighting, we'll have to raise your taxes.

      • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 09/16/2008 6:34:27 PM

        Hey I DO agree with Democrats that spending so much on the war is hurting us.

        But what are we to do, ignore the radical islam extremists or fight them on their OWN land vs ours?

        It looks like there is progress in Iraq and that it should be winding down over the next few years. To some extent we NEED to look and plan LONG TERM, not just day to day or months ahead. If we can help democracy flourish in Iraq it will be a great thing for America LONG TERM.

        What I want to know and NOBODY on here will answer because even OBAMA DOESN'T EVEN KNOW is how in this new recession when 150+ year old banks are failing and millions have and will continue to lose their jobs how Obama can raise social security taxes, capital gains taxes and income taxes and STILL CREATE the 5 MILLION NEW JOBS he promises? He's a liar, now prove me wrong!

    • Posted By: max in fl @ 09/16/2008 8:37:07 AM

      Trader

      If we were not spending 10-12 billion dollars a MONTH on war, imagine what we could do with the money domestically...

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